Foxwing vs 30 second awning comparison

[@johannalange802]

I have the rhino rack foxwing on my pajero v80 and I am simply in love with it. Best invention ever directly after fire, wheels and books.

[@DENMONKEY]

Hey Jo, I think it's awesome but I'd say after fire, wheels and women :) and probably not in that order either. They are a top piece of kit and everyone seems pretty impressed with it when its rolled out. cheers

[@johannalange802]

DENMONKEY You might have a point ;-)

[@RoCorey]

you spelled boobs wrong

[@craigtsadventures7414]

I have come to the conclusion that Steve's 30 second awning wins first prize in this video in my opinion. I think having one leg in the passenger side window whilst the other leg is on the side step out side the vehicle is a disaster waiting to happen (If you slip your balls will get crunched) and along with the amount of climbing around the vehicle just to set-up and pack-up would drive me bloody mad every day. The Foxwing certainly doesn't look as sturdy free standing compared to the 30 second awning as well. I thank you both for sharing this comparison with us on you tube as i am going to be purchasing a 270 degree awning's and it is good to get some feedback on all types of awning's.

[@DENMONKEY]

Hi Craig, yes, i think the set up it a bit easier on the 30second version but don't let the climbing over the vehicle put you off. That's more of a short a$$ thing than an issue with the awning. If I had more let under my backside and could reach like a normal person, that wouldn't be require. I'm 5'4 for reference. I wouldn't use my foxwing in anything but the lightest of breezes without poles and I always use the poles anyway. I'm keen to get my hand on the new rhino version of the 270 which seems to have fixed most of my concerns but I think is still similar to this one in that the poles would still be needed but are now attached to the awning and swing down like on the 30second. plus the bag is bigger. thanks for the comment and report back with which one you go for . cheers Brett

[@craigtsadventures7414]

@@DENMONKEY Good on yu mate, great to see you out there haven some fun! you have a great variety of content on your channel , keep it up. I was looking at the tuff terrain 270 awning today online for $370.00, curious to know if you have heard any feedback on this awning. Cheers.

[@DENMONKEY]

@@craigtsadventures7414 cheers mate. I get a bit worried not focusing on the one thing but I figure I'll just do what I'm interested in and others may find something I do useful :) Can't say I have mate, but I just sussed out the website and a quick review. Only about 3kg between it and the foxwing but I thought the material in the review looked a bit light on compared to the 2 in this review. It says 280gsm vs the 320 gsm for ours. What that is in real life, I don't know. I couldn't' find it on the oztent site but the 30second one has it listed and Steve and I thought it was the same material on both. So that's my logic there. To be honest if you're not keen on the foxwing this one looks near identical to what I can see. I can see they appear to use some form of metal for their hinge/knuckles where the foxwing is plastic. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing. I know the super centre awnings boast a metal fixture there, but I've heard reports that having these as the weakest point can be a good thing if caught in the wind. So they let go first before the awning poles. Thus a benefit of having plastic ones. I've had to replace one of mine (video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGWYYoKVhb95f6M ) which shows what I mean. It's when I had to fix mine. Easy enough job. Bag looks bigger too, so you can store the poles in it. A guy posted a comment on that video asking about the foxwing from up in Brissy. He pointed out that Anaconda has the foxwing on at 499 at the moment for club members. ( i hate that member rubbish) That's a version one like I have. I sussed the Oztent version 2 (at a show) and to be honest I didn't see much different. The rhino version is another story. They have stepped it up a bit. Still not a 30 second but better none the less.

[@craigtsadventures7414]

@@DENMONKEY Ah thanks for taking the time out to research it for me. I will certainly take all advise into consideration before purchasing anything. Cheers for now and thanks again.

[@DENMONKEY]

@@craigtsadventures7414 welcome. always happy to help. even if its no help :)

[@mijodo2008]

The rare occasion when being a pocket rocket has its disadvantages. The rain downpipe can be a lifesaver when in the outback with little water. Like the idea of speed on the 30-second job ( 30 S) and being able to move the vehicle with the awning up. quick setup for a cuppa is an advantage. Drop-down poles are ideal on the 30 S. The low profile Bag is good when traveling, however, the extra storage space in the 30 S is beneficial. Both models require brute strength in the roof racks for good anchorage. Great comparisons guys, Thank you. Cheers from Michael.Australia.

[@DENMONKEY]

you've got that right on the weight perspective. I bet a few of these have been mounted on sub standard racks or support and have separated from the vehicles :) Everything is a compromise I guess, but at the end of the day, both of us were happy with our choices even though they weren't perfect. and yes, having ducks disease can bite too but there's ways and means

[@Muzammil787]

That's cool. Love the way of giving review

[@DENMONKEY]

Cheers muz

[@jmagnone69]

Very good video mate! I just got a second hand foxwing for a great price and is still in good nick! The series one bag does look a little bit tight but they have released replacement bags on the series 2 that can also fit the series one which to me is a game changer because the poles and pegs can be stored inside and there’s more space on the bag to zip up! Something you should review mate would love to see how it goes for you! I appreciate how oztent put thought into the bag as they have heard everyone’s feedback with the tightness of the bag!

[@DENMONKEY]

Yeah I spotted the updated model. I even shot them an email asking if I could borrow one either direct or from a retailer to do a review as a follow up. I didn't get a response back. But yes I noticed they seemed to have taken the feedback and made the right changes.

[@jmagnone69]

Would love to see a video done to it mate! I’m sure it will give you no hesitation to open it up! How does it hold up in the rain?

[@kerrysmith8198]

you may like to mention that the South Africans make the best camp fridges too, National lunar,mine has never been switch off in 12 yrs,only to replace my secondary battery,they use little power and have a W,H,O rating to carry medical supplies,the best insulation and they don't cry and sook when the weather is hot,simply the best.but expensive.a great vid guys very informative keep on rocking

[@DENMONKEY]

I think you just did :) I can't say I've had any experience with them, so whilst it may very well be true, I can't tell what I haven't seen. That's kinda the motto of my channel really, whilst I like to hear people opinions and listen with interest, I'd much prefer to see people do it or put it into practice. Opinions are great but lets find out first hand . That said, when someone give me info like you just have, I'm sure as shit going to check it out and do some research on them. Never let an opportunity to learn something new go by. Does national lunar go under another name as well. I have heard the name but I think on US channels and was thinking they were the same as dometic ? which is the same as Waeco here in Aus ? Am I wrong with this one ? Oh and watch out for the Aussies saying that, I reckon they would put their ARB and Engel fridges up against your National Lunars :) but again, I've not had one of those either cheers Brett

[@PadmaDorjee]

Awesome review, thanks a lot. I heard the foxwing has been updated and the new cover is slightly larger.

[@DENMONKEY]

this is true. 2.0 has a bigger bag. you can also get a bigger bag for these originals for around80 bucks I believe. I have a mate who has the new one and will be doing a review soon

[@Oxinder]

Excellent video. Thank you for the comparison

[@DENMONKEY]

Most welcome. Thanks for the comment. Now try not to spend any money

[@Oxinder]

@@DENMONKEY that's always the hard part

[@vk7hch]

Thanks Brett and Steve for an honest review. The Oztent Foxwing style of awning is the most copied style, I currently have a cheap imitation of it, that surprisingly has survived a very gusty and strong windy night on the east coast of Tassie. Yes, it was tied down very well with bluescrews. I need the "one man setup" capabilities, and after heaps of research, have decided on the Darche 270 degree awning. Different design to both of these. Another self supporting, drive around type. Again, Thanks fellas, most informative. Chris, VK7HCH

[@DENMONKEY]

cheers Chris, was just sussing out the darchie after reading your comment. Not many videos on it but from what I can see, it looks like it fits somewhere in the middle of these 2. I also believe foxwing had made some updates to theirs with the poles now stored in the awning itself. I might get in touch with them and see if they have one around that can be used for a review. on another note, do you get on HF at all ? cheers Brett

[@vk7hch]

Hi Brett, I also noticed the lack of videos on the darche, either way, good or bad. I do do HF, but, we are recovering from heavy flooding here and my shack /man cave/shed had 3" of water on the floor, I am still cleaning it out. I have a 706MkIIG in the pajero, with an AH4 tuner hidden behind the spare wheel mount. I put an Icom whip on that when away. Cheers, Chris

[@DENMONKEY]

send some of that up our way. where I was camping on the weekend only 3 hours away they haven't had rain in over 18 months. We've had a little here on the coast but not near enough. It's really shaping up to be a bad drought if something doesn't happen soon. I just scored a big tarheel antenna and will be mounting it soon to go with the 7100. No idea where Im going to mount the big bugger though. Might have to arrange a sched at some point and say g'day.

[@vk7hch]

It is no longer an Oztent collaberation, here is a review of the new batwing...kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6PNdJelf7ycjbM

[@DENMONKEY]

yeah i've heard that and checked them out. Not sure I'm convinced theyre as solid as the one I have but haven't seen it in person as yet. I'll have to keep my eye out for someone who has one to check it out .

[@CliveWebbAustralia]

Good honest review. Thank you...

[@DENMONKEY]

Welcome Clive.

[@malcolmhay6668]

Steven Fuller from Drifta fans once had a 30 second awning set up on a teardrop camper and he had problems with water pooling. So he made up 2 more lift up mini poles to help shed the water. Maybe because this awning does not have adjustable legs to lower and raise sections then water pooling is a problem of a fixed height awning.

[@DENMONKEY]

Mi Malcolm, not sure if Steve has had his in a good downpour, but you're right., with the foxwing, I just drop the legs a bit and jobs a goodun. Will have to get him to set it up and surprise him with the hose :)

[@heftymerv]

Great comparison guys, looks like they have answered all your issues with the new FoxWing, and the price of the FoxWing at half the price of the 30sec awning is a real selling point. Still not making it easy on which one to get though, and being short doesn't help either..lol I suffer this as well.

[@DENMONKEY]

cheers Michael, yes I think they have. I've been keen to see one in the flesh but haven't spotted one as yet. I'll try and get my hands on one even if I have to pull someone over or hit someone up at camp to do a review on the new one. My understanding is that the new one is just called the batwing and is Rhino rack only now and they're no longer produced with oztent. I'll post up once I find one :) I get ya on the short thing . check out this bit of kit kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6WmfomDa9d-eNE very handy for us short asses

[@heftymerv]

Yeah would be good to go into a store and have one you could pull out and put back in again, maybe stuck to the wall. Its just buy and regret..lol.. Good find on the ladder... @@DENMONKEY

[@DENMONKEY]

I'll get in touch with them in the new year and see if I can get hands on one. The ladder is a ripper. but my NY resolution will be no gumtree this year.

[@derekmikolaj5362]

Might be time to redo this one and use the Hardkorr 270 (made in QLD) much like the 30 second but includes lights and goes forward as well --- I am extremely impressed with mine :-)

[@DENMONKEY]

I have been thinking about this. So many options out there now. But with my old one still working it's hard to justify the bucks. My next one will definitely be free standing though. That's for sure

[@ntknow]

Thanks for the comparison video. Interesting to see the differences. It looks to me that I would use the 30 sec a lot more because of the convenience. I was wondering how much stress do they have on a roof rack?

[@DENMONKEY]

Cheers. Yes, the 30 second is just that bit easier to set up and pull down. Mine is buried directly to the roof cage and doesn't move at all. Steve's 30 second uses the L brackets as per a normal install and it does flex a little when deployed but not much..

[@lukeb5855]

nothing beats the strength and versatility of a tarp if setting up for anymore then a couple of days

[@DENMONKEY]

I do like a good old tarp set up myself. I used to just chuck one up with a couple of bungees on the roof cage. use to work very well. didn't look as cool though

[@coreymclennan9711]

if you add a small cord or rope to the zip you might find it a little easier to unzip and zip your foxwing. just a thought. always looking for an easier way.

[@DENMONKEY]

Easy is my middle name 😁 good idea though. Might help with my short legs too

[@Smnewsnetcom]

Very informative, Thanks.

[@DENMONKEY]

Most welcome

[@xr6tgtx737]

In the middle of a storm with a 50kph wind and heavy rain the " 30 second wing" wins my vote and money every day. Add the 2 extra poles and the tie downs, that thing will handle most conditions On a added opinion, the flex from the rack would help to save the wing from flipping earlier.

[@DENMONKEY]

they are a bit more sturdy I think, certainly from a frame perspective. That is the biggest risk with such big awnings, they are huge wind sail when it picks up

[@LongStraightLines]

Looks like there could be potential pooling problems with the 30 second tent. The loose fabric would drive me nuts!

[@DENMONKEY]

That's definitely one of the plus's for the foxwing. You can droop the awning down, so this doesn't happen. That's high on my list, because I love being under an awning outside in the rain and just taking it in.

[@camptours]

Oh.....🤣 I like my Alucab 270° Awning. 👍LG, Alfred

[@DENMONKEY]

I do like the alucab stuff.

[@cowboyscoffee]

Good job on video

[@DENMONKEY]

cheers Greg.

[@norsefalconer]

1:06 "There's a strap-on here." GEEZ MATE, this is a family show! TMI! LOL 8:17 Hmm, strap-ons all around then. 😄

[@DENMONKEY]

What can I say? Steve does love a good strap on. 😁

[@susansmeeton4321]

very helpful thank you very much

[@DENMONKEY]

Welcome Susan. Thanks for watching 😁

[@2UZFE]

I’d pay more for the convenience of the 30 sec and a couple of extra poles

[@DENMONKEY]

Fair call Kim. I guess that was the point of the video. Not to tell you which one to buy but to let you see what each of them were like. Cheers for the comment

[@shanegrangrad8559]

Wow . That would piss me off . Thankyou ! No way I'm wasting $ on that . Cheers

[@DENMONKEY]

Sorry Shane, what would piss you off ? which bit ?

[@DMurray666]

the current fox wing has inbuilt drop down legs....makes it a tonne easier

[@DENMONKEY]

and a bigger bag too. Its good to see they made improvements over the original. I did try to get in touch with them to see if I could borrow a new version to do a review on, but didn't get a response back. I have checked them out at the camp shows etc though.

[@HLsab]

So you can't use them in the wind ? A lot of money for something with (very) limited use .

[@DENMONKEY]

You can, but you will want to be pegging them down pretty good. That's a lot of material up there to be catching wind. So long as you're realistic about your expectations of the product, you won't have any issues. I don't think there is an awning that you could put up and have zero concerns about on a windy day and certainly not without applying some additional effort to tie them down. I got caught out with the caravan awning being ripped off and those things are a hell of a lot more solid than the ones on cars. Just have to be aware of the limitations.

[@luk37373]

Sold my rhino rack and got self supporting after two times using it

[@DENMONKEY]

What did you change it for?

[@wernerzwiener5830]

Ich habe einen Camper in Deutschland.Mir ist es als Rentner egal ob ich meine Markise in 30 Sek. oder in 1Min. aufgebaut habe. Ich bin auf Urlaub und nicht auf der Flucht.

[@darbylane9716]

The pajero is the only thing with shade on it 😂😂😂

[@DENMONKEY]

I know. not my best set up. If we parked the other way, to get shade, you wouldn't have been able to see Steve's magnificent head :)

[@Gee-Wizz]

The 30 sec seem to be the winner, except for that dicky velcro bit at the front. WTF 30 sec, way to badly finish a graeat product. That Foxwing zip looks like it is just waighting to fail.

[@DENMONKEY]

the 30 seconds is definitely easier to pack away no doubt. so far so good on the zip. Most products I think have that ONE thing that let them down. it does make you wonder what they were thinking when they signed off on it though. The worst thing, it wasn't just one person giving it the thumbs up if it made it into production.

[@peterwest267]

They turned me off it with their discussion

[@DENMONKEY]

all good Peter, we're not trying to sell you one.

[@ricaldrich3424]

What is this obsession with skinny jeans.

[@DENMONKEY]

Ha. Wont find me in them

[@robertanderson5796]

Howling Moon is the way to go. Fox wing is so dated.

[@DENMONKEY]

I'm all ears mate. Tell me why. What makes it better?

[@robertanderson5796]

DENMONKEY Foxwing 1. Flimsy frame 2. Need to carry the poles separately. 3. Ropes have to be carried separate . 4. Bag is too small (as you said in the video. Howling Moon 1. Much stronger frame and hinge. Doesn’t flop like the Foxwing. 2. Poles are incorporated. No need for extra bag. 3. Ropes are incorporated into the awning. No extra bag. 4. Extra large bag for ease of pack up. 5. Choice of colours, fabrics and models. 6. 40 years making this stuff. No I don’t work for them.

[@DENMONKEY]

I had a squizz at their website. Looks pretty similar to the 30 second awning, am I right ? Does it have poles in each of the arms ? I really like the 6 arm variant. Looks like a nice piece of kit. Re the bag, it's still too small but I've altered my technique a little which makes it a bit easier to pack away. Still not what I would call easy though. The carrying of ropes doesn't bother me but the poles being inside the arms would be a benefit. I'm still very happy with the foxwing though and consider the weight vs strength to be pretty much right on for what I need it to do. Rhino and oztent don't make these anymore as a joint effort but they both have new versions out , with the oztent just being released. I think the new rhino one fixes most of the issues I have with this one but I'm yet to see one in person. A bit hard to see if the oztent is much different to the original. I'm going to get in touch with them to see if I can drop in and see one or borrow one and do a follow up review of the update. appreciate the time to respond . cheers

[@robertanderson5796]

DENMONKEY Good reply. They are similar to the 30 second awing which is a knock off the Ostrich and yes the poles are in each arm. . Mate give it a go Andre is really approachable and a nice bloke. South African but don’t hold that against him. I sent him an email earlier this evening to se if he’s going to be at next weeks camping show. Cheers mate.

[@wexlop7450]

@@DENMONKEY Looking at the video the howling looks to be the best 270 out there, as quick as the 30second, and also as strong in the wind as the drifta which itself is rather awkward & slow for a lunch stop. howling has best of both types.

[@paulgriffiths7399]

that fox wing looks like the biggest piece of shit going haha. there are so many rip off copy brands. the ostrich wing awning is the only good solid original awning.

[@DENMONKEY]

Care to expand on that? Why do you consider it a pos? I take it you have the ostrich variant?