FPS Weapon Insurance Feature Is Back in 4.0 | Time To Get To Work

[@Auldus]

So long as it cost AUEC i don't see the issue.

[@alexpetrov8871]

I bet CIG won't agree with you. There are plenty of sniper rifles in pledge store. Recently I bought about 30 of them, just to have small stock in my inventory. The plan was to melt them when I lose them all and buy again. This is 150$ of permanently pledged store credits. Now I will duplicate them, melt and never buy again. There is more - now I can sell them in chat for cheap, and some player won't buy them in pledge store ever.

[@kazzsaru]

Until we can craft our own, this is an acceptable compromise to me.

[@El1qt]

Just ruins any existing player economy we had

[@SolarWindsRider]

then why not simply add those weapons to the shops?

[@the_babbleboom]

@@alexpetrov8871 nobody should be forced to buy one time use weapons in the store and CIG should get kicked in the balls for pulling that bullshit in the first place.

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

CIG should really make this a feature. Specially guns like flair item ones would be lovely not to be worried about losing when you run about the verse.

[@SkyForceOne2]

or they could just make them able to be reclaimed directly from a seperate screen. would be too easy i guess, would make testing too easy ;)

[@aiTheVulture]

Insurance for "my hangar" items is planed. Just give them some time, small indie studio after all.

[@alexc9434]

@@aiTheVulturelmao

[@4tonmike]

​​@@aiTheVulture Small like the cost of 7.5 F-35 fighters small, and about just as operational. 😂

[@0Metatron]

Being “worried” about loosing your kit is one of the things that makes it into a game and not a tech demo! The free ride alpha times are slowly coming to an end as they worth through this stuff. It’s not supposed to be a worry free Sunday drive around the PU Players not wanting to loose their stuff is critical for it to become a forever game and not just a backspace meta screenshot simulator

[@skitsnack1]

I tried this too guys and it seems that claiming the ship doesnt restock the weapons and you still need to repair to get them back. So all they need to do is add a "restock internal loadout" option and the feature is complete.

[@atk04]

Should have read comments before I bothered trying. But yes, my results mirror yours. Ty

[@redoxium4909]

On what ships does this work on?

[@georgea5991]

Is this only for 4.0, or is it on the 3.24.3 patch as well?

[@salina3r845]

@@georgea5991he’s ina Pyro station in the video, you can tell by the ASOP voice. So it’s 4.0.

[@georgea5991]

@@salina3r845 I was asking if it also applied to the earlier patch... But I already found out earlier it doesn't.

[@kazzsaru]

Costs aUEC. Basically this mimics the idea of players not having the item to dupe *but the blueprint and them crafting more for themselves, or for sale to others*. CIG can utilize the data from this actually. They just have to make the non-buyable-from-NPC stuff like some weapons, the scorched/tweaked attachments, and similar *very expensive per unit*. So even if the player "repairs" to get the stuff, it's going to eat into their wallet, mimicking the player putting in money buying stuff for the crafting process. I'm okay with this. Just make it cost more.

[@sudonix5923]

66,000uec for 2 rail guns, a grenade launcher and 2 P8s seems about right

[@v77z]

There is definitely a problem with this. Because the prices of restocking are not equivalent to what you'd spend. For instance, a full suit of heavy gear, with all accessories, weapons, 1 SMG as primary and a Granade Launcher. That's 11,000 aUEC. There's a heavy helmet that is MORE EXPENSIVE than that. Don't full yourselves. This video puts up a good guarantee that we'll get a wipe. It's disingenuous to not mention that, especially when I see the orange grenade launcher duped.

[@sudonix5923]

@@v77z they haven't given us a way to get our pledged items back lol

[@Thee__Don]

Oh the famous game of "feature or a bug"

[@Izack]

well it came back, and was removed so plausible deniability is strong

[@TylerSL92]

they haven't patched anything in over a week so deffo bug lol

[@LiterallyAna]

​@@TylerSL92 That's because they're on vacation though

[@mndeg]

incomplete feature imo

[@v77z]

There is definitely a problem with this. Because the prices of restocking are not equivalent to what you'd spend. For instance, a full suit of heavy gear, with all accessories, weapons, 1 SMG as primary and a Granade Launcher. That's 11,000 aUEC. There's a heavy helmet that is MORE EXPENSIVE than that. Don't full yourselves. This video puts up a good guarantee that we'll get a wipe. It's disingenuous to not mention that, especially when I see the orange grenade launcher duped.

[@snowmind]

Brings back fond memories of the mule (3.18), when it was the most useful vehicle in the game. It was the only time a lot of people felt comfortable taking out store/sub gear without the fear of losing it (until the next patch). Since then, I personally just stopped buying from the RSI store and only used in game drops, so I can very much understand if CIG left this "feature" in, at least until the promised gear kiosks are implemented. Happy New Year foxy, keep up the good work.

[@inf097]

I do not have an issue if you have a cost to it.

[@serv3322]

The cost of replacing a railgun in the weapon slot needs to be having a railgun stored in local inventory..

[@v77z]

There is definitely a problem with this. Because the prices of restocking are not equivalent to what you'd spend. For instance, a full suit of heavy gear, with all accessories, weapons, 1 SMG as primary and a Granade Launcher. That's 11,000 aUEC. There's a heavy helmet that is MORE EXPENSIVE than that. Don't full yourselves. This video puts up a good guarantee that we'll get a wipe.

[@jasiekthejester7764]

That feature is a MUST if we want to start seeing players utilizing all the functioning lockers on their ships. Right now virtually all the ships you break into or infiltrate have their lockers empty because the time required to fill them vs the chance to lose your ship in one way or another just doesn't incentivize anyone to keep doing this more than once. Thanks for sharing that info! How does that work when you claim a ship? It would be best if claiming always gave you the default loadout and then there should be an additional menu with the repair button function but, preferably, with a checkbox list of fps items and upgraded components to get back for aUEC aka insurance. That would solve soooooo many problems both for the players abd CIG.

[@AutumnCorvidae]

I would maybe feel bad about this sort of bug if I didn't get my ship eaten by invisible hangar doors or otherwise have to work around a lot of nonsense so much in the game right now.

[@BeatBoxU-1]

I cant wait for the suit lockers to work too and hopefully it does this, hell maybe even let us fill up fridges too.

[@HercDriver]

Doesn't work on the MSR or Guardian Qi. Would be nice to have a list of ships that is confirmed to work in.

[@Chacesumica]

It also works with the box racks on things like the STV, Mule and Lynx

[@BizzMRK]

So I can actually finally use the p8 without it being gone within 5 minutes after falling through the ground somewhere? As long as you have to effectively buy those components and the gear back with aUEC it's perfectly fine and if CIGs fun detection sensors get triggered by this again for some reason I hope they rather just crank up the restock prices for those rather than making everyones experience worse again. They claimed for well over half a decade to be working on gear recovery at this point and they always delayed or silently removed it from the roadmap over and over again so this is the only option we have right now to get that stuff back between wipes after all. Same with component insurance which despite being talked about at CitCon probably won't be a thing in the game for years to come either so this is basically the T0 implementation, intentional or not.

[@BenPhou]

Doesn't work in a Zeus. The Mobiglass will deduct money but will not reproduce the weapons from the rack.

[@Asgar1205]

found that out the hard way :(

[@AndyMayes-ol2so]

@@Asgar1205 Me too

[@robertoblank636]

same on the cutlass black and the intrepid

[@andreasborkes695]

Me too 😮

[@radioactiveburrito1340]

Must be the type of storage rack

[@micahOnGuitar]

So glad to see this feature back (for now?). I wish loading my ship with gear and amenities was more feasible right now but with the inevitability of losing your ship in an instant, and the lack of custom map/quantum markers, prepping my ship for long term use is just a pipe dream at the moment. All for charging for replacement weapons and if they're worried about duping things like railguns, they could just exclude non-purchasable weapons as far as I'm concerned. I hope we get to see more features that ease some of the friction of SC so I can make my ship space my own without worrying too much about losing hours of setup to a bug.

[@alexc9434]

When they fix the game and make it playable I’ll stop duping guns and components. Out of 10 missions I do I get maybe one of them to work.

[@4tonmike]

Fair

[@mndeg]

very standard christmas break stability

[@Ghost915A1]

I call bullsh1t on you getting 1 out of 10 missions to work. lol

[@CallMeTeach2]

@alexc9434 maybe take a break, and possibly stop calling it a game in your head at least, because it's not a game yet. It's still just an overpriced screenshot simulator. Lol Gotta take those frustrations in stride.

[@obaniehia]

@@Ghost915A1 bunker missions maybe. but yeah when i did play this build was able to hammer out 20+ in a sitting

[@christopherjohnson2171]

Since you "buy" them, not an exploit in my book. Nice to know I don't have to keep picking everything up now, I'm gonna replicate my P6s I've been too scared to use recently. Too bad I already lost my Grenade Launcher and Rocket Launcher before I found out about this. One day I'd love to get my hands on a P8-AR, I've still never found one.

[@HillBillyJoe-q3r]

Place your bets, this gets patched before 60k does.

[@xBloodXGusherx]

1 million auec. Im sure there are people on Spectrum right now crying.

[@mikecapson1845]

i bet this will get patched before bugged quest after completing, or before PVP BH mission markers..

[@xBloodXGusherx]

@@mikecapson1845 I've tried doing this a few times a couple hours ago..nothing. They may have already patched it on the server end.

[@justyouraveragem4a136]

Well, this explains why I have seen a 3.1k repair cost on my Gladius and Vulture without realizing I had a backup P8 SMG in the weapon racks

[@GizOfWar]

I've wanted this back for so long can actually enjoy using my ship to its full

[@janberger3816]

Might been already fixed. I tried and it’s just never completed the repair. It said it cost me 12k but it will never give me the weapons back and it don’t do anything, as soon as I damage my ship and hit repair the cost will go up for the damaged part of the ship and it will actually repair the damaged part but still not give me the weapons I put in the holders. And I pay just the difference for the repair UPDATE: tested on a couple of ships now and only a few ones are working with that. Ships that are not working for me is the Zeus and the guardian. The starlancer is working, but you can only place p4 or smaller in the racks, not even a sniper.

[@luvit579]

Good to see this is back. I just want to keep a few weapons in the weapon racks knowing they are insured.

[@Pernicuz]

that is awwesome and i hope its a deliberate feature because its a great idea, if it costs money i hope they atleast keep it during alpha when u loose your stuff from bugs half the time. Great video!

[@TheVexinator]

This one is kind of in a grey area - since you're paying for them, I don't think there is anything wrong with it - the only hitch is that this works on reward/subscriber gear which is otherwise unobtainable in game. If they had the feature available for you to reclaim these items when lost, like they are supposed to, then this would not be an issue at all. So... seems fair game - this is a workaround to get access to these items. Two wrongs make a right? This game is 50% learning to work around the bugs/lack of features and I think this qualifies.

[@alexc9434]

It’s not a grey area. It’s not duping.

[@mndeg]

sub gear is all obtainable in game. it's out in the wild

[@salina3r845]

@@alexc9434ehhhh… he quite obviously duped 2 rail guns in the video.

[@Guardian_Templar]

Tried this with the Polaris and it didn't go well, it caused lag and the weapons didn't load in. 100K per repair when I filled the Armory and Cpt Quarters. Medguns, Multi Tool, Pistols, and Rifles

[@davewills148]

As it should be

[@MirageDU]

That's a nice change. That way we can use our subscriber gear without the fear to lose it. Doesn't work for armor though as suit lockers are not functional yet, unless it works for stuff in the internel ship storage as well. And as long as we have to pay the stuff, I'm cool with it, even if it creates the possibility to duplicate unique and hard to get equipment. At some time CIG might develop a solution to decrease the use as insurance fraud. On ships it would be quite easy in my opinion. If they implement, that the loadout of a ship is automaticaly saved whenever the player or someone in his hangar removes or attaches a component, there would be alot less insurance fraud. If they would apply this logic to the internal gear, that would decrease the use to duplicate FPS gear as well. It would still be possible, but you would need a second person and have to fly out of your hanger. That would make it alot more time consuming and that way less profitable. Surely it would be still possible and be still usefull for larger size components as they are more expensive, but I think it would be use way less freqently. I think that would be a good point to start.

[@chefhawkins]

So glad this is back, making a cool themed armory with matching attachments for every ship was actually my favorite gameplay loop from previous patches.

[@UmbraAtrox_]

Dude this is awesome. I didn't know this was a thing.

[@Kakeyoro]

What if your ship is destroyed and you claim it? Will your racked weapons also come back? I have a lot of pledged weapons but I never use any of them for fear of losing them until the next patch. I wouldn't destroy my own ship but I would like to permanently store weapons on my ship to use them if/when necessary but be able to get them back if I end up losing the ship.

[@Laurie-g2d]

I’d like the answer to that question as well.

[@sixshadowelf]

Claiming the ship will NOT bring the weapons back however you can repair after a claim and the weapons will come back. This does not work for every ship however so make sure to do a test run first.

[@negative-7846]

I wonder if you put stuffs into the inventory, like subscriber armor, glowsticks, etc, would that be replaced too when repairing the ship . . .

[@mikecapson1845]

tested, it wont

[@tonyjoel7910]

you guys feel that?? Another wipe might be coming

[@Lord_Retrospect]

so glad this feature is back, time to test the mole for amor insurance

[@clownlover1257]

Does this work with the mule for armor ?

[@dtroit2]

The stocked ship feature is great. I think the credit cost is a good way to dissuade exploit.

[@flyingby3703]

Wait you can pull stuff out of local invemtory again? Like without the storage access?

[@BladeofSalvation]

so armor and backpack duping with the lynx/mule should be working again too ?

[@Aeonitsu]

Yes

[@biolazer]

So a suit locker would in s sense secure your gear.... What if you self destoy the ship ehen you claim it would you get gour weapons back

[@demonicsquid7217]

The procedure was to kit the ship out, store it again, spawn it back, use it, then do a repair after landing to get anything missing back. Assuming it's the same as the previous method. FYI the stuff needs to be stored at least once so it goes in the persistent database. Claiming a destroyed ship is no different, except you don't pay for repairs as it comes back repaired.

[@salina3r845]

@@demonicsquid7217they don’t come back when claimed. Some ships like the Zeus, Cutlass, and Intrepid have been confirmed not to work with this in the comment section.

[@Daniele9225]

work only with the cutter?

[@MightyN0ob]

It would be nice if they could build off of this and make it a feature. Add in checks for if the gun is a store bought (Ingame, and website), if the gun is looted/stolen or something that is rare. That way stuff like, F55, Railguns, anything rarer, can be set up to not be rebought through the menu, but store items can be. Glad to see this return.

[@Grim-HEX]

The old "bug" that I was using for years is back? Nice :)

[@Eddie_7600]

Its not really duplicating though. You are paying for them.

[@georgea5991]

This is the way it should be, anyway. Especially considering wipes will more than likely be far more spread apart, and I need a way to get back the stuff I actually purchased with real money.

[@obaniehia]

I mean, with the price point of it i'm fine with it, mainly because rummaging through inventory kitting out a load out is a pain.. now with this all you have to do is armor, food, medical.

[@casper01]

I feel that items that were purchased with real cash, such as weapons and armor need to be recoverable.. Each should have a unique item ID preventing in-game sales of these items and preventing duplication of them. The sad news is that until CIG implement a recovery system for purchased items, people are going to continue to find other ways to get them back.

[@st5pr0]

does it save item boxes in suit locker on a polaris ?

[@Dr.Kryptanical]

you had me going with that title I thought the devs were gonna add weapon insurance then, jokes aside it's early days i'd imagine it's something you'd want down the line! LTI guns with warranty claims xD

[@mikecapson1845]

Now I wish Suit racks were implemented xD

[@IceSki117]

Does this work with multi-tools and tractor beams as well? If so, I have an actual use for the weapon racks in my Zeus.

[@andybendingsugar609]

I tried this and it doesn’t work, and now I can not log into game…

[@BDA1137]

This guy. Always giving us good news and at the same time doing shit that forces CIG to take away the "good news".... XD

[@timbiddulph]

I can finally use my fps hangar weapons. Thanks for letting us know this is back in the game.

[@kingssman2]

Oh wow! I really love this feature! and if it adds money to the repair costs, so be it. This really encourages me to fill out all the weapon racks on my ship!

[@bloodnmetal]

can we do it with armor using the Mule like before?

[@SolarWindsRider]

You should be able to use Lynx to duplicate Novikov\Pembroke suits and Mule to duplicate the rest of the armor as well.

[@timteeling7348]

It is nice to see that this feature is back in. THX for checking.

[@rooster1012]

You mean exploit, I remember last time when there where people on Spectrum crying that their accounts got banned for doing this.

[@dredknot636]

Of your ship is blown up does it also restock the weapons? Or only via repairs?

[@KaybeCA]

Well, I guess it's not technically an exploit since you're paying for it via the repair process. But guaranteed CIG will get rid of this as it messes with item rarity. For many items in game, the by far biggest time in getting some items is the process to find and acquire them, which is way harder than simply buying them in Area 18. Does this trick also work with ship components? Now that high end military and stealth components are not available in shops, I have no doubt that people would love to find a way to 'repair' their way into additional A grade components.

[@DuSTiNaToR-io3gw]

Cant they just tag items with the same identifier so that you cant "dupe" them for profit... but rather any claimed items on your ship would replace that same item that was in your inventory and/or prevent you from repairing the weapons if you are still carrying them. Dupe-ing has the potential to completely kill motivation for actual gameplay loops. But i like the idea of being able to insure items purchased with real money (or in game money for that matter).

[@Mullins23]

This SHOULD stay in the game as a money SINK and a HUGE quality of life increase!

[@sudonix5923]

They still need to implement a way to get back subscriber gear without having to jump through a bunch of hoops. It's absolutely ridiculous that after 12yrs, this STILL isn't in game or on the website.

[@Justinl12086]

works with the wing weapons locker only on the guardian qi

[@sirnukealot84]

Wow this is amazing! Got to get into game next weekend and put some loot into my ships 🎉

[@revengexmoon2087]

Thank you for showing this exploit. CIG won't freak out at all.

[@professorvandusen6847]

Would be grest if you would test a ccpl of ships to confirm or not that repairing refill the racks

[@radioactiveburrito1340]

I tired this on my cutlass black and it didnt work. Dose it have to be the specific type of weapon rack?

[@christopherjohnson2171]

I see reports that this works on some ships and not others, guess I'll have to try different ships. My Sabre has a spot for 2 guns, Vanguards have a 4 rifle rack, A2 holds a ton of weapons. Man if this works it'll be nice to just have permanently installed guns in my racks so that I'm always good to go on an fps bounty/bunker.

[@odcon]

Hm. I remember this feature bug from awhile back. If you remove components and repair do they dup as well? Could do armor on a little vehicle too, right? I thought you mentioned having a changed perspective on doing this sort of thing in a previous video - what changed it back?

[@daveivory1278]

wonder if the gear in the lockers works the same way?

[@hiphopgrinch]

That would require the gear lockers to work in the first place.

[@chaadlosan]

Works perfectly with the Corsair.

[@Ener-GI]

Tryed that yesterday with my Intrepit and it didn't worked

[@gabrieleconti3088]

untill u have to pay the weapons stored in a rack it's fine for me, and be honest it have sense to have rack storages in ships

[@plazmaballs1024]

I wonder if cig will address this as a bug or feature.

[@overlandPNWGX]

This doesn’t work in all ships. Didn’t work in my Zeus, cutty black, or Polaris. It does work in the Carrack.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

If your ship gets destroyed, do you keep the weapons when you claim it again?

[@krushvor2774]

Worked for me in my Mirai Guardian!

[@KimaniT]

instead of paying repair bill i would destroy my ship and call it back and wait

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

no it doesn't work, check out my next video you will find out

[@tomkpunkt]

The technical debt must be enormouse in SC code, every time they break the code or they break the fix.

[@essentialasa]

If only the Starlancer Max weapon rack worked correctly.

[@Power5]

Directions unclear. Tried to store my ship and it became unknown. Does this work when claiming? I get that you repaired and got them back, but what if you went to planet and claimed ship down there. Would it spawn there with weapons in inventory? I may have to start duping components. I took them all off to swap around with other ship in my hangar and sell them to help purchase upgrade components. Got a black screen and relogged to find an empty inventory. So most of my ships in hangar are unusable.

[@darkone174]

does the armor insurance work again with the mule or no?

[@papascronch]

i want able to get this to work in the Zeus. big sad man. cost to restock weapons exists but it wont load them in the racks.

[@Foxtrot_89]

If my ship blows up and i claim it will they stay? It would be cool to make ur ships your loadout

[@thegamingtribunal]

Love your videos..... Just make sure you don't get in trouble for publicising duplication "FEATURES"

[@mikecapson1845]

Is there a way to make this but with Armor/suits?

[@jinz0]

would be good if they made this a feature somehow, always annoying to re put all the guns back in the ship

[@sthone325]

Can we so that whit cargo? Duplicate drugs?

[@mobius6772]

I loved the ability to save the weapon racks i dont know why they took it out. When I find an awesome weapon I want to save it, it should cost me money to claim it!!!! tested on cutlass black, doesn't work. Corsair does though

[@StoneCoolds]

We are about to withess one of the fastest patches in SC history, 60k error? Hangar bugs? qT bugs? Mission markers bug? Naaah weapons insirances insta fix !!! 😂

[@tbor7710]

Oof....does this mean wipe incoming? LOL

[@matteobarbarini3120]

I hope so. I could not play the 4.0 yet

[@czlenson888]

@@matteobarbarini3120 If so, how will a wipe impact your gameplay? Because you havent had any gameplay...

[@picapaukrk]

Why wipe? Because you pay for the items? P6 are p8 is lootable so what's the problem.

[@matteobarbarini3120]

@ just for my own pleasure

[@PandaGaming-pc2xv]

did you get in trouble with cig? and couldn't you dupe armor with a mule this way?

[@mattbrian9056]

I lost my luminalia weapons when i died during fps gameplay. How do i get them back? They used to spawn back in my resident planet

[@cristgaming]

They will only respawn during patches i beleive

[@mndeg]

this is very interesting. thanks for showing it

[@Teiz83]

If this is back then you can probably dupe anything that fits in a 1/8th scu box via a Drake Mule again as well. Executive hangar keycards anyone? And no, this is not a feature. This is the socket system being janky crap from 2013. They probably broke this again when they fucked with missiles getting rearmed on ship claim.

[@Mansell5Senna8]

What is the cost of purchasing them separately in store?

[@stevenhannweg1644]

Duping items which are not avaiable in stores and locked behind pvp zones or in random loot boxes is considert exploiting.... When you dupe a regular p4 assault rifle, nobody would be botherd, but when u can dupe a railgun for 25k it becomes a problem. And we dont even start about locked components like stealth A or millitary stuff....

[@christmworkflow2886]

if your ship is destroyed ? can claim with all you stuff in ?

[@cristgaming]

I am not getting this to work on my Cutty Red or Black...I see a repair cost and it takes the money but weapons sadly don't reappear

[@ROBBP85]

same bug as before, except now you have to repair and pay the cost of the weapons, seem ok to me. Iive bought the same weapons like 50 times because of glitches at least this saves me the trip.

[@marcospheitosa]

When will this be available in game?

[@EggyBuilds]

Oh this is back? Time to deck out my Corsair.