FPV Dream location: Mountain Dives with ARWing Pro - Gyroflow O3 vs. Raw, Shaky commented FPV!

[@xjet]

Excellent... now I really can't wait to get out and do some flying.

[@MCsCreations]

Stunning footage, Mario! Amazing flying!!! 😃 It's unbelievable what Gyroflow does to the footage! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@robsycko]

It never gets old . Thank for the views.

[@olafschermann1592]

Epic! Didn‘t know how good gyroflow stabilisation is. Where is that - Semmering?

[@Rcschim]

Thanks, it's Altenberg an der Rax

[@olafschermann1592]

@ Was hiking there. Awesome area and partly still snow in may up there.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

Always love your videos. An absolute joy to share them with you.

[@juz70]

Fantastic Mario. Thank you

[@Rcschim]

Thanks and hi Juz, always nice to see you here in the comments. Still flying? Or just offroading thru the outback? :)

[@boactech3076]

Really great ride!! This environment is awesome 😊

[@Rcschim]

This spot in particular looks like it's a stage setup for maximum FPV fun. The right distance, awesome scenics...

[@GruffaloDrone]

Very interesting and informative! Thank you

[@JamesDowningFPV]

Hey cool, glad you played with manual mode, it works in nice calm air. The INAV programming workaround isn't really a published thing, but a few people I know use it with luck. Its a bit nuanced, and takes extra time and tuning, but it works!

[@TheMadmacs]

what a place to fly! the wing stuff is just super scary, it looks incredibly hard to dive with a wing, i thought you were going to nose down to hit a gap at one point and all my pilot alarms went off, "" too fast too fast'' hehehe. contour flying is hard, contour flying on a hil is very hard, contour flying on a hill with a wing.......is expensive. thanks for the shout out. my fav bit was the chase. big range of scenery and the brilliant music choice, just perfection. ps. did i hear a ned flanders scream when you did the flyby yourself and just made it under the power wires? maybe it was me hehehe

[@Rcschim]

The hard thing with flying wings is (not the start anymore - thanks to autolaunch), it can be the landing (hence "hard landing" is called out by me after each touchdown :) it's getting used to the bumpy flight and building enough confidence that the servos wont break, the wings wont break and the shakes are normal and no sign of a malfunction, failsave or whatever. And once you are not so afraid of the shakes anymore - you can fly lower to the ground (where the shakes even get worse). With more flights I'm getting used to this and I can remove 90% of that shake with Gyroflow afterwards - else the footage wouldnt be enjoyable (except for really calm flights like parts of this vid here). Good thing about wings: you "feel" much more of the flight. We'd need sensors in the wingtips little tactile outputs on our fingertips to actually feel thermals like the birds do - would be so immersive to fly like that! Good and large batteries are also a must for planes - but then you can easly stay up there for long. On my last epic flight I went nearly 10km away, good ammount up to a hill, once returning save, I was still in the clouds and I could enable audience mode on my googles literally "on the fly" to have my buddy accompany me with his passenger goggles (I had to use my Goggles V2 for audience mode be compat with his V2, and couldnt use the G3). Yes, flying below the powerlines was kinda scary ;)

[@TheMadmacs]

@@Rcschim i wonder if its possible to flare a wing for reducing landing speed, i've never seen anybody mention it or do it. its maybe too narrow a speed to nail it. i do fly my quad like an airplane a lot of the time, ... 13.8v 1.2km out to sea, i found myself doing calculations of a glide path and sitting on the wind, (accepting any updrafts to convert back to speed on my glide path) think i landed with 12.6v....

[@Rcschim]

@@TheMadmacs sure - flare (aka flying high alpha - with an high angle of attack) is common. Depends on airfoil. On my Mars plane I do crary landings. Someone called me doing "Sarajavo approaches" (where you dive steep to the landing strip and pull up last sec and stall it out. almost lands like the birds do ;) sometimes I tip stall tho ;) flying home over the sea with low bat is a nightmare for sure... with amps displayed in the OSD you can try to fly really efficient on your way home.

[@swissfreek]

One thing with a wing is you have to remember the only way is forward. So you have to get used to knowing that you will be able to fly out of what is in front of you, because there's no backing out. On the flip side, the wing does some of the work. What I mean is that on a quad you have to control all three dimensions at all times. Wings tend to be naturally stable since basically all of them are designed to be able to fly without a FC installed, so they will continue in roughly the same attitude/direction without input, whereas the second you stop giving a quad input, it will deviate.

[@Rcschim]

Fact is: wings have gotten way more useable for my hobby (which also includes sharing footage here) since we can stabilize the footy so well with gyroflow. Also with O3 the whole 4k recording part has become so easy! Back in gopro 2 times i tried wings and watched a lot of wing videos - and mostly was dissapointed by the extreme shakes in the footage shared. only on rare occaions where wing pilots would fly right befor sunst - it resulted in good, smooth wing footage.

[@phdDotCom]

Nice, perfect conditions!

[@swissfreek]

I hadn't considered this issue of airspeed-based PID attenuation. You probably think about it more since you are in the mountains and diving a lot with lower throttle, but for us flatlanders, I find TPA sufficient to keep things smooth.

[@beratsbuilds]

Awesome!

[@RCTeamAustria]

wow, super Flug!

[@Rcschim]

Danke!

[@TheSo4ring]

Nice flight! I see the OSD overlay isn't perfect. Do you still have your V2 goggles laying around? I wrote a mod that records the OSD to a file on the V2 goggles, which can then be used to generate a 4k osd overlay afterwards. Maybe that could be interesting for you.

[@Rcschim]

I use both, the G3 and the Gv2. On the Gv2 I somewhat nerded out with OSD, SRT file conversion etc myself already. The G3 is nice because it burns the OSD into the DVR, but also it's a bummer that it doesnt record SRT files anymore... Here I tried to color key the white from OSD Text to remove unwanted background. Only semi successful ;) Other idea is to have a mask of the DVR, only showing the OSD parts I want and leave it exactly where it is in original place - so the background from DVR and the 4K Video overlap exactly (only giving a slight blur behind the text). Good in theory, but the DVR and 4K Rec are not 100% in sync (and also they suffer from some frame drops so even if I sync it perfect at start - it's still off a few ms at the end...

[@TheSo4ring]

@Rcschim i was also frustrated with this. Especially since the .srt file doesn't record most of the osd. So I basically did some reverse engineering with the help of the fpv.wtf team and I figured out how the goggles display the osd internally and managed to write a mod that dumps all that to a file. For syncing I'm also saving a current timestamp from the goggle's internal clock, so there is no problem with dropped frames etc. It syncs almost perfectly with the air side recording. Then on my computer I'm using a python script to create an overlay with all the osd elements from that file it creates. It works quite nice.

[@robsycko]

Maybe build something low buget so you could take more risk. Old equipment maybe?

[@Rcschim]

My ARWingPro can already considered to be old eqipment. I got it for review - so it's low budget - but yet I've invested a lot of the valuable ressource "Time" - that's why I'm so considerate about my next move (in flight) :)

[@MOEMUGGY]

I can't wait to fly my AR wing, but INAV makes my brain hurt. You almost need a degree in electronic engineering and data entry to do this hobby. I wish it were just plug and play.

[@swissfreek]

It's basic arithmetic compared to ArduPilot 😜

[@MOEMUGGY]

@@swissfreek Not what I heard. But there seems to be a much bigger community for AR wings using INAV. More support for different boards. And much more feature rich, and more frequent updates. I can't find a single reason to use Ardupilot over INAV.

[@MOEMUGGY]

@@swissfreek Sorry, I miss understood. Yes, ArduPilot is ridiculously more difficult to use than INAV. But once again, I can't think of a single reason why anyone would want that.

[@Rcschim]

Painless360 should be a good source to explain the benefits. From what I recall: ArduPilot is said to fly better than INAV. It supports way more features if you want to nerd out with many sensors or programming - but for us normal pilots INAV is the easiest route. if you run into INAV trouble, send me mail at [e-mail] and maybe I can help (set up a few planes with INAV 7.1.2 recently and found it quite easy).

[@TERBANGFPV]

wow you dive and glide that long with 0 throttle? not going to stall that way?

[@Rcschim]

as long as you have enough airspeed (or alt to trade in) you aint gonna stall ;)

[@TERBANGFPV]

@ come from fpv drone always confuse about airspeed. Is this your current flying/glide speed?

[@Rcschim]

@@TERBANGFPV Yep, if you fly horizontal, groundspeed (what we're used to seeing as speed in our OSD) is the same as 3d Speed / Airspeed. 3D Speed can be calculated by inav by adding the altitude change (imagine a perfect 90° dive - this would show 0 speed as groundspeed). on more sophisticated plane setups you use a pressure tube (pitot tube) to "sense" airspeed. Ah - one more thing I forgot: 3D speed is NOT like airspeed because if you have 50kph headwind - this has to be added as speed to your 3d speed as well ;) so the pitot tube is the only way to go to understand WHEN your plane will stall (with enough headwind you can actually fly backwards without stalling)

[@TERBANGFPV]

@ ahaa. Thanks for explaining this.