Fractal Refine is the 1st Gaming Chair To Consider Ergonomics

[@rcvillapando]

Can a chair company make a collab with Purple mattress? Their Purple seat cushion are so good it needs to live in a gaming chair.

[@osamas3]

Was waiting for you to review this one, though I just made an order before the video. Glad that I did not make a mistake. One missed opportunity in the video though, was to compare fabric vs mesh because no one has done that and personally I was very curious about the differences. Although I chose mesh, I'd still be interesting to see the comparison. Is the hardness the same etc.

[@btodtv]

We don't have both to compare ;) Otherwise I would have. Only the fabric was available at the time of purchase -Greg

[@juliusmanalo9645]

Ahnestly reviewed this seat 2 weeks ago and did mention the differences between the fabric and mesh

[@DubElementMusic]

@@juliusmanalo9645conclusion = fabric > mesh

[@Lancelot_-hu9hz]

Any chance y'all would attempt to open up the armrest and see if there are any screws you can tighten to stop that loose forward/backward armrest adjustment?

[@kapprix1219]

After this video, I’m now torn between this chair and the new Ergonomic chair pro from Branch. Both look amazing and it looks like Branch made a lot of improvements from their original ergonomic chair. Are y’all gonna review that one once it comes out so you can help me decide? 😅

[@milessanchez800]

Buy the anthros chair, don't blow out your pelvic floor

[@btodtv]

We plan to review the Branch chair, yes -Greg

[@btodtv]

lol -Greg

[@D0WnL0DeR]

Have you tried out the Mesh version now? Wondering which one is the softest to sit in.

[@artIfactuaI]

YES, finally. I saw the fractal chair weeks ago and I was easily going to buy it, but I wanted your review on it, and finally it’s out!

[@DctrGizmo]

I really was close to ordering this but somethings about it made me hold off. I want to get the fabric version but I was disappointed to hear how stiff the seat was and how the bucket style can be annoying when sitting with crossed legs.

[@buffalufacus]

I was very interested in this to replace my 2020 Titan, but it seems like it's just shy of great for the money. What's the office ergo buy for $500 that has these features? (All the adjustments especially arm rests, headrest, better seat comfort, etc)

[@llwonder]

unsure if I want to buy this chair for the headrest or Steelcase Amia for supposedly better comfort.

[@Endemoniada]

This was the first slightly more critical review I've found, most others have mostly praised it, although all have commented on virtually the same issues (loose arm rests). This is still my top contender right now, coming from a old DX Racer, without doubling the price and going for a truly ergonomic specialty office chair.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

If you have the budget then nothing truly beats a proper ergonomic office chair.

[@PendingSense]

What did you buy in the end?

[@ivanTHEgreat411]

Would yall choose this chair over the Ergohuman gen2?

[@stevet5473]

Technically you could make the lumbar support more aggressive by adding maybe more padding to it?

[@malick_97]

I wanna buy a chair this black friday and I´m between this one and the Hbada e3 Pro. Which one you´d recommend? I slightly prefer the Hbada because of the leg rest

[@peterbernhard6087]

This Chair coming out is the reason i started watching youre channel. Cause i was looking for something ergonomic after considering buying it. But i ended up ordering a steelcase gesture last week 😂

[@Solidariity]

How do u like it so far?

[@btodtv]

When does it arrive? -Greg

[@nnaaatsuki]

In term of comfort, how would you compare Leap v2 against the Fractal Refine? Looking for a piece that might be much comfortable than the Leap v2.

[@janpichrt]

Can you please measure width of seat? From side to side and width without raised edges?

[@michaellankton2771]

complete measurements are on the Fractal website product sheet for this chair

[@nurek1080]

Hey guys, could you review Musso H80 chair? It looks like solid budget pick and good competitor for SIHOO and other brands, but the problem is I cannot find real proper review on that chair so maybe u were planning to do that?

[@GangityBirdity]

One thing I wanted to know is what is the height range that this chair accommodates for?

[@Viljapossu]

I was considering on waiting for your review on the chair of just ordering a refurbished Leap V2 beforehand. I got my leap V2 today. Glad I did because this thing feels great, but I'm very happy that Refine ended up being a good product.

[@Captain-Chats]

How is the leap in regards to back support as I have a back issue and my current chair pisses it off. Also how is the seat is it nice and soft or hard

[@sgxsaint3130]

How is this compared to the Destrier? The Destrier is currently 650 USD where I live and would want to see how it compares to this.

[@Roccosiffredo93]

This chair is totally off, and i actually refunded it. Armrest were slidy, lumbar support not working (resetting back to default position when i apply some force with my back) some smudges and the sit overall was uncomfortable due to shortness, hard edges that can't make me spread my legs enough and overall costruction being meh. I do actually prefer my noblechair hero that i got in 2020, actually thinking that i'm going to buy that chair again. Don't mistake me: it's a decent chair overall (aside for that defections), but totally outside the 500 bucks range. More like 250/300.

[@ShawnLangford]

Did you have the mesh variant?

[@Haukaud]

I was going to buy Fractal Refine until I saw the armrest. They should make a new model with locked armrest. I ended up buying Secretlabs Titan evo instead.

[@Roccosiffredo93]

@@ShawnLangford Yeah, but i dont thnk the fabric would change this much tbh. I ended up with another Noblechair Hero (black edition this time) alongside with their memory foam seat cushon and headrest. Infinitely better for the money value.

[@Xaero_ZRX-33]

Which tier is this chair in comfort?

[@AztecNinja89]

Been watching a lot of your videos today, and as an Australian a lot of the options in your videos are not available to me. two options that i have found available are the Ticova ($659.69) and also the Haworth Soji (non 4d armrest version $767) and Fern ($1350 with the 4d arm rests). would you recommend spending the extra on the fern or should the ticova be fine for me?

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Fern is hands down the best, although I would only recommend the Digital Knit Configuration version.

[@AztecNinja89]

@@StardustLegacyFighter cant get the digital knit, think im just gunna get this fractal refine for $800 aud

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@AztecNinja89 Ah, that sucks. Fractal Refine is a decent offering for that price.

[@AztecNinja89]

The only Aussie retailer that has it in stock wants 375 aud to ship it and I don't know if 1400 aud for the alcentera version is worth it ​@@StardustLegacyFighter

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@@AztecNinja89375 for shipping??? Yikes.

[@OrlanCEO]

The cheat sheet link doesn't work on Firefox...

[@monster796abs]

this one or the Atlas?

[@ezeess7239]

seems pretty decent but i'll stick with my logi gaming embody.

[@weirdodude1173]

Fractal Design is a good company that does the right thing for customers, but I have to question how short the seat pan is on this chair. Other than that I kind of like it. Thumbs up.

[@knollagansta]

I tried it in store and it was a realy comfy

[@ezeess7239]

it's hard to compare chairs when you've only ever had bad chairs. Everything feels better .

[@MrMobssss]

Does the backrest hot?

[@nicoles8815]

Hi, thank you so much for taking the time to review this chair! I have a question, do you think someone with a 155cm height would fit in this chair?

[@Aggnog]

Is 10 days really enough to see if the seat will get softer?

[@btodtv]

For the video, that's what I commit to. I've continued to try since and give it more time but recently gave up -Greg

[@buffalufacus]

If it's the same foam as SecretLab and others, I can confirm that it doesn't get much softer, even after 4 years lol

[@eddierandom6074]

How does it compare to the secretlab titan evo? Specially on the seat firmness?

[@Gianluxx]

Just received mine 5 hours ago. Light Mesh color

[@btodtv]

I'd be curious how the mesh back feels in comparison, my assumption is better -Greg

[@fabienroduit8911]

How is it so far?

[@EverydayElectronics23]

How is it

[@fwiler]

I returned this one. Bolsters are too hard, back too high and looks weird, wheels don't role, seat way too hard, there is no give in cylinder when sitting down.

[@BradThurber]

Back too high? As someone 6 foot 7, I don't hear that too often about an office chair.

[@ivanirias4988]

​@@BradThurbermy brother you are as tall on your knees as some people standing, but we do need to hear what's the height of the OG, I'm 5'5 and it make me concerned.

[@MrMackievelli]

Did you unlock your wheels?

[@SHERMA.]

what other seat did u settle with?

[@zexalex]

Almost decided to buy one, but your comment about the seat being rock hard made me give up. Again.

[@bananerz3167]

Mesh Version had softer seat

[@fernoflake]

love this chair, had it for about 3 weeks and prefer it over the haworth soji, ikea markus and ergohuman elite 2 (only chairs I've used). seat is actually great for me, gives consistent support over long hours and doesn't cause any pain or discomfort at all personally. headrest and backrest are great, lumbar support is good, not great, but definitely does the job, and the adjustments are also plenty good. couldn't recommend it enough especially as a direct upgrade from the Ikea markus which was my previous primary chair.

[@HUSTLEONLY-kz5bf]

Lumbar support don‘t stay on my fixed position it always goes back when I lean back, is that normal?

[@fernoflake]

@@HUSTLEONLY-kz5bf I believe so, as in it kind of tilts? generally it should tilt in a way that supports your back more

[@EverydayElectronics23]

Mesh?

[@fernoflake]

@@EverydayElectronics23 fabric

[@EverydayElectronics23]

@ so you think it’s really worth it? You think mesh one would be better or worse for long periods of sitting?

[@chejz]

hello, how tall you are? :) I am 2m hight, maybeee I could fit in? 😢

[@zdraco]

Appreciate the straight-to-the-point review and not dragging out the video. I've had a couple of bucket-seat chairs now and I'm so reluctant to do another. how does this stack up against the Logitech Embody and the Hayworth Fern?

[@figliolio]

It's possible for this chair to be $549 dollars in 2024 because Fractal isn't (yet) capitalizing on our comfort!!! Chair prices are astronomically high for what you get these days, it's ridiculous. Nice to see that at least their first attempt at an ergonomic chair is reasonable.

[@Zetraxes]

What about Herman millers gaming line especially the embody Logitech Collab, or the newer razer chairs or the BMW chair or the Ikea gaming series. Actually there are so many true ergonomic gaming chars out there the premise of the intro here kinda Is a false statement

[@btodtv]

Herman Miller doesn't have a bucket seat gaming chair. The Razer Fujin is not a bucket seat. The Razer Iskur v2 is but it doesn't focus on ergonomics and is just a worse version of the Secret Lab Titan Evo. The BMW chair is a car seat and it costs like 3 grand. And I could make the argument that IKEA has the worst gaming chair line-up in the industry. -Ryan

[@Zetraxes]

@@btodtv who said anything about bucket seats? I thought this was about ergonomic gaming chairs?

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@Zetraxes There are barely any proper ergonomic gaming chairs on the market, especially ones that are actually worth recommending. The typical gaming chair is still a bucket seat design, like the new Iskur v2, hence why Ryan mentioned that. The Logitech Embody is still an ergonomic office chair tbh, it's just been marketed as a high end gaming chair, since it does a far better job than any chair from a gaming company.

[@btodtv]

What part of the intro was the false statement? -Ryan

[@Zetraxes]

@@btodtv simply that it is the first bucket style ergonomic gaming chair. The cooler master hybrid 1 would fit the same description but that all depends on how you define ergonomic of course

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

This chair seems like was inspired by the Vantum, which is a pretty bad chair. Although, it's nice to see a seat design that hasn't been ripped straight out of a racing car.

[@madasalem8840]

Hi 👋 👋 👋 👋 👋

[@robikasztar]

Asus Destrier in shambles.

[@Krisdt8]

So it’s not nice to sit on? For £500+ it should feel like air. When did production line chair manufacturers grow the balls to charge this much for a chair that’s not nice to sit in.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Lol, this is nothing, there are chairs out there that are twice as expensive and are still not satisfactory to some ppl.

[@pkopo1]

the firm seat of the secretlab is the main reason I got one. I had a really soft gaming chair before and had back pain all the time, when I got this chair it all disappeared completely, while not as comfortable short term, long term it is more ergonomic

[@raulalejandroordonez3275]

In my opinion 10 days of usage is not enough to know if it is going to last... But still it looks like an interesting contender however, I would say it is pricey... 😢

[@sir_quirkus7206]

only 549$ lmao ONLY

[@SaintVes]

540 bucks hahahahahahha nice byte

[@alexworm1707]

after 2 years, you'll thank the hard seat, if its hard because of the foam and not the frame.

[@btodtv]

Maybe?! -Greg

[@alexworm1707]

@@btodtv those softer foams usually bottom out pretty quick if you use them daily for 8h

[@RobTheOriginal1]

I have the 2020 SL Titan and I am not thanking the seat that is still very hard 4 years later. I think it's possible to do a softer seat that doesn't bottom out or flatten over time. Granted you'll have to come in weighing under 200 pounds to do it.

[@EramPrince]

So I was planning to get embody Non gaming , now Should I get that or This? 🥹

[@D0WnL0DeR]

If you have the possibility to try either or both in a store, do that.