Fractures is a big fat waste of time (and resources)

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[@LateNightHalo]

Truly a late night upload

[@JayPlusForerunner]

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[@DanteMan117]

I just drank a glass of orange

[@toconnell88]

I just drank my own pee

[@DanteMan117]

@@toconnell88 ok bear grylls

[@Marinealver]

I was thinking of other generations for Spartans beyond 1 through 4. 5th Generation is an Insurrectionist experiment to make Spartans using a variety of drug cocktails and DNA modification using CRSPR however drawbacks and side effects that drastically decreased the lifespan. 6th Generation was a UNSC rush to refill the ranks of Spartans after their losses at the Banished and Created. However with the rushed creation it wasn't much better than the 5th generation by the inners. 7th Generation was the one focused on bio-enhancement stability. Performance applicants didn't have the strength and speed of prior generations but enhancement casualties were dropped down to an unprecedented 0.01%. 8th Generation was a technology focused project in attempts to adopt power armor to be wearable by applicants without the need for augmentation.

[@DeviantDaminite]

Funny enough, that lore description you came up with to canonize Yoroi was already kinda done for two Halo 5 armors (one is Shinobi I think) where those armors where found by the UNSC on abandoned unidentified ships, implying there's hidden insurrectionist groups trying to replicate Mjolnir tech with war leftovers and scraps. I don't know why they didn't just go with that direction with the Fracture armors, it makes all the more sense in a post-Created setting.

[@Nefnoj]

Heck, the lore behind the Helioskrill armor was more interesting than the armor itself, and gave a ton of room for expansion.

[@NoNameTaken117]

I dont know much on my halo 5 lore but if its an unidentified ship that's been abandoned then I believe it's from a different universe. The insurrectionists aren't really that smart to have ships that are not registered by the UNSC and even so the armor they have doesn't seem to be bootleg which begs the question who has the resources to make one that looks like it came straight from the factory?

[@augustoch.7341]

Because it's not the same writer. It's not the same leads. It's a studio built on contract workers that know once their set time is up they will just leave 343 and do something else. They just don't care about what happens once they leave.

[@Freelancer837]

I don't think the Black Market thing was that good of one because, after all, MJOLNIR armor can only be worn by Spartans, who would you be selling custom made Spartan armor too besides the UNSC?

[@DeviantDaminite]

@@Freelancer837 Remember on Halo Escalation that one Spartan IV traitor? Who says that's a one time thing

[@PackHunter117]

*They put all this effort into non lore armor and yet there’s still quite a few missing from Halo Reach like Security, Military Police, and Haunted!!!!*

[@perrytran9504]

343 promised a return to classic art style. But the thing is they grew tired of pretending they cared about that real fast.

[@OverlordAlastor]

@@perrytran9504 it still is the old art style lol

[@MegaMCCow]

@@perrytran9504 The campaign is literally the classic art style but better than it's ever been, and we have the Mark VII, Mark V, Rakshasa and soon the SPI armor available for multiplayer that all follows the classic art style. I really don't see how we're lacking in focus with more traditional Halo styles, especially given the fact that the Mark VII core gets more content every season

[@PackHunter117]

@@MegaMCCow That’s debatable

[@Jolis_Parsec]

The Military Police armor is apparently due to multiple UNSC divisions sharing assets between themselves, as there aren’t any Spartan MPs running around (aside from my Noble 6 who’s a complete weirdo anyways).

[@toconnell88]

It's weird that 343 has this unnecessary obsession with canonising multiplayer shenanigans through War Games, Spartan Ops and now Infinite's seasonal storylines, yet at the same time they throw in goofy, universe-breaking armours and skins. Another example of them not showing wholehearted commitment to a single direction?

[@Skiivin]

More like an example of the differing positions between 343 and Microsoft

[@TheNinjaCoby]

I do not get why they chose to restrict themselves with cannon MP.

[@THEdanrugaming]

My thoughts exactly. Feels like such contradictory philosophies. (Plus playable elites could have totally been canon)

[@NoNameTaken117]

@@THEdanrugaming It kinda is, sword of sanghelios elites reside in the UNSC time to time and some of the spartans actually do mp matches with them, it's just that it isn't common.

[@augustoch.7341]

Because it has to be SERIOUS don't you get it? It has to be serious and competitive. If there isn't some serious high stakes story behind our competitive multiplayer shooter they will not take our hyper-competitive e-sports tittle serious! Also, emotional attachment to each armor core will increase 2,6% armor bundle sales from the store (our consultant said so).

[@JayPlusForerunner]

Honestly, the idea of the fracture armor being made and sold through the balck market and also being illegal sounds amazing honestly

[@oreon7907]

Actually I think that it is actually a thing that happened, in Halo 5 there's an armor with that exact same lore, but I don't remember which one is

[@217adaptiveperspective]

@@oreon7907 Buckaneer?

[@oliverthebear3687]

@@oreon7907 I think you're thinking about the Buccaneer Helmet's lore. A makeshift helmet.

[@wearsjorge55]

@@oliverthebear3687 the bioshock big daddy helmet from halo 4? Can't remember halo 5 armour much

[@theredrisen9520]

I agree, especially with the entrenched aesthetic, where it looks like it was created in someones garage/back alley workshop.

[@marksmanbear]

The weirdest part is that they already did the whole "This armor looks weird because It wasn't made by UNSC" in canon. The Helioskrill armor set's description says it was literally made by an Elite artisan from the Swords Of Sanghelios who just wanted to compete with the best humanity had to offer. It looked nice and was easily explained in universe. And there are a bunch of other weird armor sets that say something along the lines of "Yeah we don't even know who designed this thing, but we found the blueprints in some random obscure colony and it makes spartans go crazy for some reason"

[@corinthianimperialstudios704]

I think 343 is so afraid of repeating the mistakes of Halo 4 and Halo 5 that they are unwilling to consider repeating the _successes_ of Halo 4 and Halo 5.

[@GrumpyMcfart]

@@corinthianimperialstudios704 this has been 343's problem since just after halo 4. They get a mixed response and instead of learning what worked and what didn't work and iterating on that they just jettison everything and start from scratch.

[@corinthianimperialstudios704]

@@GrumpyMcfart Yup. That's why I said what I said.

[@bander960]

@@corinthianimperialstudios704 That's so true it hurts, bro

[@Leitis_Fella]

You mention the implications of Halo 5's ending... You'd expect the UNSC to crack down on AI and limit its capability after The Created took over everything. Imagine if the Halo universe went full Dune and outright banned AI. I doubt they'd go as far as to ban computers like Dune though. The implications of precluding another AI uprising would make for a fascinating story beat if handled correctly.

[@btrando1]

Was there a plot point if Cortana could have corrupted the Weapon?

[@ShallowVA]

Kinda weird that instead they decided to give every single Spartan their own personal AI.

[@johnfkennedyinanopentopcar8976]

It's a dumb AI

[@Nefnoj]

I'm not a fan of streams overall, it's a popular form of media that's not for me, so I adore that you're taking small clips like this one and expanding on it with a handful of editing so people in my situation who might not have the time for streams can still take in your thoughts and add to the conversation. Yet another Late Night Gaming win.

[@LateNightHalo]

Glad you’re liking these! I’ll keep doing them!

[@newrecru1t]

This so much. I sorta get the appeal of interactions from streams, but edited videos are so much more concise and thorough compared to most off the cuff rambling.

[@AmericanNEET8644]

@@LateNightHalo sick!

[@spacemantiss]

@@LateNightHalo Please do, love things like this.

[@medijate]

God, that's actually such a good idea. They should do it like the way they do manufacturers in Borderlands or Destiny. Could be a decent jumping off point for a Infinite season, too.

[@FatalFrostbyte29]

In one of the Blog posts they did say that they wanted to make companies to feel like real companies.

[@stevenroyer9380]

The best part is that they literally already do it there are already multiple companies making spartan armor and they’re mentioned in EVERY DESCRIPTION OF EVERY ARMOR there’s even a specific hud element for each manufacturer just like borderlands they just do the fracture stuff ontop for god knows why

[@medijate]

@@stevenroyer9380 Genuinely I forgot

[@SynthLizard8]

"The Halo universe is not a toyline" **Plays Halo 4 where the Spartan's look like plastic action figures**

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

I don't even think halo is in a good state to be having multi verses already. Its not like the MCU where they spent years building it up. We only had like 3 games in the last decade and those games barley pushed the lore forward that much as they barley continued off each other. Halo needs to have a solid foundation for it to start having multiverses and it doesn't. It reminds me of when studio wildcard kept making ark spin off games that got abandoned after 2 weeks because they didn't even finish the main base ark game and had to go back to that. I should also mention that having these armors not being canon makes me not care that much about the armor or the lore behind them at all. I didn't even know the Samurai sets had lore until this video. Of course all the lore is behind a waypoint article instead of actually being in the game which is an unfortunate trend it seems with the halo lore now.

[@Deliveredmean42]

At this point it feels like they just want a new IP if they feel like they don't care or burned out of this one franchise... Sounds like Bungie when they had Halo.

[@scavanger1000]

@@Deliveredmean42 the only way I can make it make sense if their board is a bunch of out of touch people that will only allow stuff to be done if it has a clear money benefit, and would rather squeeze the money they can get instead of making the fans happy

[@lustrazor44]

Not everything needs a fucking multiverse

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

@@lustrazor44 no halo doesn’t I’m just saying that it makes no sense for them to try it now with how bad halos foundation has been for the past decade

[@nickm5419]

Halo is a book series first. Halo The Fall of Reach was published before Halo CE released

[@ardentparagon159]

I think this is just a microcosm of 343 as a whole, it seems like the higher ups have always wanted to make something other than halo. So to do that they have tried turning halo into something different.

[@epicdude3659]

Honestly, the idea of new armour being just illegal black market shit is something I always love, not just Halo, but other franchises too.

[@m1a4abrams50]

Something that has always bothered me about all the numerous Mjolnir variants is that Mjolnir from the beginning has been stupid expensive to produce. I may be wrong but I remember somthing a line in one of the books saying that for what I cost to make enough armor for the original Spartan-IIs the UNSC could have built a heavy cruiser or two. With the Spartan-IIIs they were meant to be cheap, hence the SPI armor. Only the Headhunters and teams like Noble got actual Mjolnir. So granted with the IVs there are apparently hundreds of Spartans now, but theres also a hundred something variants of Mjolnir, plus all the other 'Mjolnir compatible' armors. I know tech gets cheaper as it time and technology progresses, but are there really companies spending that much money to sell a couple thier brand new product line to the UNSC? And would UNSC procurement really shell out for hyper-specialized varients for niche uses when the base platform is good enough?

[@alexwingace]

iirc Spartan III's were VERY cheap to produce, and IV's were doubly so. And with the fact that it seems that they can mass-produce Spartan-IVs with little issue (since they can make them out of existing UNSC personnel without major issue afaik), I imagine the market for Mjolnir upgrades/specialist variants would become decently large. Especially since the III's and IV's just simply do not hold a candle to the power and versatility of a Spartan II. They may be cheaper and more numerous, but i feel their overall effectiveness also took a pretty steep dive.

[@GhostRyder2008]

As a Bungie-era Halo fan, I totally love your idea about making the fracture cores lore "illegal versions" of the UNSC's Spartan armor. That makes a lot of sense and it doesn't alienate old school Halo fans like me

[@Zynet_Eseled]

Yoroi could still be something that could fit. Perhaps as guard units. Eagle strike, yeah that one is just dumb. It looks amazing but lore wise it's a mess

[@Marinealver]

I keep saying this. PLAYABLE ELITES Heck give us ODST again.

[@noobking111]

I love how 343 will be like "no playable elites because it would not be canon." and then add noncannon armors. I have no idea why they keep feeling the need to corner themselves and then create weird reasons why "X" is cannon and then turn around and say "well Y is not cannon"

[@JJJR09]

Im sure its just a lot of miscommunication between the abysmal management they’ve had since the production of Infinite

[@mariobadia4553]

I don't get the obsession with playable elites. Because one you're pretty much exposing yourself as a furry and two the hitboxes for the things that always sucked ass

[@JbJonesIV]

@@mariobadia4553 Calling Arbiter a furry must make you a bitch, at least. What a way to snub one of Halo's most unique mechanics (assymetrical multiplayer with customizable alien characters) just to project your own insecurities about 'being a space furry'...

[@mariobadia4553]

@@JbJonesIV whatever you say scaly

[@lazydragon2551]

Because 343 hates anything Halo and want to banish what Bungie did many moons ago. They're failures and always will be.

[@markdevonport3274]

To be honest fractures right now can be compared to Spartan ops The initial ideas are good but they're not handled right.

[@McQuiznos]

Personally I like the fracture idea. It allows the artists to push the boundary of what spartan armor is or looks like, and they make it look great in game. I also enjoy the lore of it. I didn’t get into the yoroi stuff, not my style. But I loved the entrenched lore. The idea of this totally different version of halo lore, where it’s trench warfare. It’s disgusting, painful, and the humanity is on the brink of extinction. I love to think about it and theorize it. I do completely agree however, they spend too much time on fracture lore. When they’re trying to push a multiplayer narrative and we’ve gotten 3 minutes of cutscenes. What gives?

[@whyiwakeup6460]

I absolutely love the look of my current spartan in the samurai armor, and I don’t think it’s too far away from the reality of the universe. Also the whole being sold illegally on the black market could be a lore rationalization for limited time events

[@slenzip]

I honestly love the concept of black market spartan armor, especially the idea of *much like a drug* that it is dangerous and people can get desperate so it takes of a limit of it HAS to be a certain way.

[@tacticaltoaster5777]

It's not even a concept foreign to 343 either, Buccaneer is made with off-the-shelf parts and hacked firmware to enable the use of military VISRs based off the lore we got for it, so black market spartan armor exists in cannon, it's just that 343 didn't decide to use it to justify all these new variations for some reason.

[@napaknowhow3978]

I would totally believe a splinter faction of Spartans and elites after the covenant war would work on evolving both their armors in a cospecies company imagine a armor set that incorporates honor guard shoulder blades or arms with small energy sword gauntlets like in reach this could also be a way to reintroduce elites by giving them more human armors and a smaller stature to adjust to this new armor( to make them have the same hitboxes)

[@BoisegangGaming]

I think it's okay if we get these little glimpses into fractures universes because I think they can be so different but also so similar. That said, I think it should only be done if they can do it alongside existing halo content. To be honest, I don't think Fractures would be such a big "issue" if there was something akin to a seasonal storyline for Infinite and the Fractures stuff was just "on the side" a la how Destiny has the Dares of Eternity as a non-canon multiversal dumping ground. But because there's no sense of progression with the seasonal "narrative" so far, it just feels like dead air, like an ad campaign inbetween some KZbin shorts. Save the Fractures stuff for a one-or-two-off anthology book focusing on the Fractures, not a halo way point post. Personally, I find the idea of Fractures enticing *because* we only get glimpses into them. For me, a lot of Halo- and sci-fi in general- is almost too world-built, where there's not enough room for interpretation and discussion, where the answer is in some obscure lore volume. I like the sense of discovery that comes from a more skeletal approach to storytelling. But that is my preference, and people's preferences are not good or bad, just different. I think the issue that 343 keeps stumbling into is this idea that they can please everybody. Combined with the vocal part of the halo fan base that wants halo to be exactly like it was when they were growing up (which is impossible), there seems to be this idea within 343 culturally that they can find some golden mean to please every single fan. But that's not true. People are going to be displeased.

[@bigpeeneugene7739]

Honestly both Eaglestrike and Rakshasa (though the latter is obviously not Fractures) would be really cool as potential Insurrectionist armor, given how thrown-together and personalized they tend to look. There's already an in-lore drug (I believe it's called a rumbledrug?) that was a sort of improvised spartan augmentation used by rebel forces (though it had a fuckton of negative side effects that often killed their users before they ever got the chance to even fight one), imagine if while the UNSC was dealing with both Pseudo-skynet and the red space monkeys, some Rebel groups managed to perfect the compound and produce pseudo-spartans that could theoretically take out a Spartan if they manage to overwhelm it.

[@alexwingace]

Given how the Created decimated the UNSC, i imagine their OPSEC is less than optimal, and I could see some Innie groups getting their hands on the knowledge/materials to be able to ACTUALLY produce their own Spartan-IV level soldiers. After all, S-IVs were mass produced from *normal soldiers* within the UNSC, as opposed to the II and III's.

[@SuperStewcat]

I find it very interesting nobody brought up Hayabusa existing all the way back in 2007. There are LOADS of ways 343i could make things like a Spartan in a hard hat helmet work within existing canon

[@ultraentertainment46]

I just also found out that It was a ninja Gaiden promotion armor that's why it's never returned.

[@Wyrm7774]

I had and have no real issue with the fractured armor. But damn that black market idea is really good

[@gibson362]

My only issue with the fractured Armor is my mind keeps getting confused about 'fractured+armor'

[@bigboi9711]

343 has trouble with focus, it feels like they are trying to do so many things at once that they can’t truly commit to anything to make it stand out. That idea you brought up sound super cool and I hope 343 takes it into consideration

[@foyy]

i think this would be a way to make manufactures more prominent and interesting, like to distinguish different types of armor types, each manufacturer would have own niche, like how fotus is always going to be a wacky item, you could have just one for all current unsc, one for a halo 4/5 type spartans, and one for each fracture core

[@Zynet_Eseled]

Interesting, tying different manufacturers to the different forms of cosmetics. Then modify the shop so the catalogue is these cosmetics set in different types. Where your weekly ultimate can get you a single option from that catalogue. That could work well

[@foyy]

@@Zynet_Eseled this fella gets it

[@commandertoastcz6256]

Alright, I thought I could do my own lore for Tenrai (Samurai guys), Entrenched (WW1 guys) and the new Chimera (Crysis guys). *Tenrai:* Misriah Armory and their allies are in shambles after Created and Forerunner armor and weapons dominated the battles. So, a new company from modern-day Japanese islands (If you want deep lore, make them the guys that made the first Shaw - *Fujikawa* engines) tried to make their own MJOLNIR. After all, they made the old "Hayabusa" armor. However, after a decade of strenghtening of armors, the "MJOLNIR" and the "YOROI" are now two separate armors. YOROI is made with more patience and personality for it. They are literally hand-crafted for each warrior. They also make guns thanks to *shady deals with ONI.* *Entrenched:* The "MJOLNIR" and "YOROI" armors are more hand-crafted and better, the "EAGLESTRIKE" armors have a final ace up their sleeve: They can be operated by non-Spartan personnel. That means they are worser when compared to the other armors, but can be manufactured in bigger numbers thanks to their "cheap" cost and maintenance, along with not having the problem of making more Spartans. Thanks to this, ONI and Dr. Halsey created a new type of Spartan-IVb , which are even cheaper (although I´m not really sure how well this fits in with the rest of canon). They also make low-quality UNSC weapons. However, both of those started to be favored by Spartan thanks to their easier maneuvaribility, so upgraded EAGLESTRIKEs are now used. *Chimera:* The MJOLNIR armor is already linked with it´s user, however even more can be achieved. The so-called "CHIMERA" armors are experimental and only tested on selected Spartans. The goal is to make a undefeatable armor for Headhunters and surviving Spartan-IIs and Spartan-IIIs willing to make this painful trainsformation. The armor is linked with it´s user through not a few cables going to the brain, but through nerves. It is painful during the transformation, however the Spartans that come out can outmaneuver any type of vehicle thanks to their crazy fast neurolink.

[@ak0097]

This is like how in titanfall lore, mercenaries will upgrade or mod their titans to be different and stuff giving their own spin on their titan. Same goes for like warhammer with the mercenaries and black market of the gangs in hive cities.

[@demetriusstiakkogiannakes1326]

They could establish Yoroi as a successor to the Hayabusa GEN 1 and the GEN 2 Shinobi, put it through as if it's manufactured by the same Company that designed Hayabusa. Now they could something similar with the rest of the armors, like having the Eaglestrike suit as an armor created to honor the soldiers who died in WW1 and WW2.

[@Cameron39829]

343 mishandling?! Yeah that's what they've been doing the entire time they've had control of this franchise

[@mariobadia4553]

Just like bungie since they kept fucking up when they released a Halo 3 and reach. Like the Time with Halo 3 where they locked you out of big Team Battle if you didn't buy a map pack. Or the time they made that badly written fan fiction of the Fall Of Reach that completely fucked up the Lore( and spit in the face of the author of The Fall Of Reach) so the fans and 343 had to fix bungies mistake while they made that mistake known as Destiny 1. Or the time they thought adding dual wielding was a good idea when it did nothing but completely f****** the weapon sandbox for the worst. Introduced the spartan laser which is the worst thing to ever be introduced to Halo since it's a completely pointless weapon since the rocket launcher already existed as a human anti vehicle weapon so why make a hit scan weapon that completely makes vehicle play unfun

[@DanteHaroun]

3:11 is better writing than anything 343 has done in years.... jesus....

[@DanteMan117]

boffa

[@johncarver357]

what do you mean? power rangers villain dialogue has been the masterclass standard for years now...

[@isaaclai1636]

343 hasn't put out a single good thing since they took control. I just hope Microsoft can still salvage the franchise after dismantling this incompetent excuse of a company.

[@mariobadia4553]

@@isaaclai1636 you do realize that's never going to happen right. And you do realize you completely wrong right. It wasn't for 343 the Lore would still be a complete mess that bungee left it in since they showed absolutely zero respect for the expanded universe and pretty much told the authors of the books to go f*** themselves every time they made a game.

[@williamgibson3862]

@@mariobadia4553 Someone did their homework.

[@Mothware]

You know what I think would have been better 'and' they still could have done their themed armors? They could have been given to Spartans assigned as honor guard to various human colonies. Planet of people who's heritage came from Japan? Samurai armor. The Mediterranean? Greek and Roman. That would have been really cool, interesting and make sense.

[@soundlesspeal]

What i'd like to see is Gunbuster/Interstellar -esque space time travel. That way 343 could easily revisit older halo title's timelines in an alternate way, showing us what was going on in different fronts and how (if they wanna make it a master chief story) they could insert our favorite soulless vessel for the gamer in all sorts of action within the halo universe even if it'd only be limited to the timeline of the first 3 games, kinda like ODST. Wouldn't that be brilliant? Also we could have a whole (albeit, small) game about how the arbiter and the rest of UNSC made it back to earth after halo 2 fighting brutes and the flood on the way to retrieve chief who jumped off the key ship and landed in Africa

[@Kid_Dyn0mite]

For me personally, I think that the samurai armor does still look like something that the UNSC would make. Like it doesn’t look that different from traditional spartan armor, it just kind of has more Japanese culture infused into it. If 343 decided to go in a more out there direction with the samurai core then I could see it being like oh this is an illegal spartan armor, but as it is now that armor just looks like something that the UNSC would make

[@HaloVFX]

Not going to lie... your 'head-cannon' of the black markets getting in on the armour production whilst UNSC are down bad actually sounds SICK as a new spin-off game. Hope 343 take the feedback onboard

[@Fauxvale]

Ha, I love your "on-the-spot lore pitch" for canonizing fractures! Super cool. Sounds so much more satisfying to me than what we're currently getting (as a massive lore + world building nerd & halo fan), and it's so damn simple!

[@Chrisspru]

the entrenched suit can easily be a makeshift heavy variant of a stuck unsc colony with a spartan outpost. basicly heavy bukaneer. the chimera suit could be experimental covenant assembly forge integration (like the nanosuit has alien tech) and could leave detectable assembly bots in the spartans neural interface, so it needs revision. black market yoroi sounds fine. even some of the wacky mcc armor could work that way: the medieval stuff being a design study for armor and cbrn effectiveness. the norse stuff being the results of a far of frozen colony being emp'ed by the created into darkness and supersticion (and modifying their damaged unsc gear with norse looking stuff). the ancient greece things could be a prototype for gen2 achilles and a few modifications of that.

[@mythhead2688]

“It’s daydreaming about another IP while working on an established IP.” “Like Marvel and Star Wars..” Yup

[@Marnie_C]

I have a theory, 343 doesn't want to make Halo. The last 2 games had a massive departure with the art style and only returned to the old style when we got upset, their games don't explore the universe like the Bungie games did and instead try to flesh out Master Chief, they put more effort into their non-halo alternate reality cores then they do with their canon multiplayer lore. They either don't like the universe, or they don't know what they're doing and as they signed off on the Halo series which was written by people who didn't know or like the game lore I'm leaning towards they would rather do anything else but Halo.

[@mariobadia4553]

By explore the universe you mean like halo reach where a completely fucked up the lore and spit in the face of the author of The Fall Of Reach when they decided to take a massive shit all over that book when they made a game with vastly inferior writing?????? Remember the time when Bungie couldn't even say consistent with their own characters. In Halo 2 truth and Miranda couldn't be any more different than the Halo 3 counterparts. I mean holy s*** the people in charge of the Halo Paramount show wrote her character way better than whatever nincompoop was in charge of the writing for Halo 3. Hell that's not even get into the fact that the god-awful writers for Halo 3 turned truth into a cliche cartoon villain instead of the smart sophisticated it calculating villain that was in Halo 2. Bungee doesn't even bother explaining why he's character did a complete 180 out of nowhere

[@ARandomSpecOp]

It’s funny since I feel like all the fractures besides yoroi could be armor in universe. I feel like eaglestrike looked a lot more like Spartan armor than rakshasa. At the very least they could’ve done something interesting like what if humanity joined the covenant, giving us covenant themed armor since they still refuse to bring back playable elites

[@5koot13]

I think yoroi could work as a Yakuza super power in the outer colonies getting their hands in the Spartan armor the industry

[@bion-geek-le1109]

IMO, Fractures could definitely work if there were cutscenes, similar to Destiny 2 Ink page cutscenes. then it could look like that aesthetic topic you mentioned, what would master chief look like as a Space Nazi, what would master chief look like as a Samurai and use that to explore a "what if" scenario in lore, like what if the Covenant won against earth in halo 2, or what if John was the one that died to the covenant and Sam had to take his place. and in terms of the development side, I think that it would be best if there was a separate team of writers and designers working on the fractures with 343's schedule. in other words, use the main story to progress the current franchise and fractures as events of new flavors to keep players busy, and if a fracture was popular, bring it back with more lore, so that lore nerds can explore a new style of halo. Same restaurant, new menus kinda thing

[@wafflingmean4477]

Another easy justification for some of the more wacky armours is maybe a Spartan got stranded in space for a while and while waiting for rescue they messed around with their armour and made some Samurai stuff. They literally already did this with Halo 4.

[@punctuate8937]

Samurai are literally from ancient japan right? No one is to say they dont already have their own samurai spartan armor already! Everywhere we go in the halo universe theres so many variants of armor and weapons and vehicles and some are up to date, some still use older gear! Anything is really possible!

[@arthureaterofworlds5176]

Pretty sure Halo 5 did that with the armor outsourcing in lore.

[@TheBlackBrickStudios]

Hell, take this concept in a new direction and say that rather than other companies making their own Spartan armor, individual colonies are running their own black ops Spartan programs. Brand new augmentations, brand new military cultures that embrace elements of the former insurrectionist movement. Make that interplay a focus of multiplayer. New Fracture event? Well, the 'academy' or w/e nabbed a new splinter faction Spartan and their armor is being run in war game simulation, testing its efficacy, etc. and onboarding the new faction into the UNSC coalition as it is rebuilding itself. Then it's not out of place when the samurai and Crysis bootleg is in your match. At the same time, they would be acknowledging that the UNSC basically has nothing, shows us the consequence of that, and gives us context for stuff that can happen throughout whatever they do with the singleplayer. Lean into the absurdity and actually expand Halo, you cowards!

[@burgerbait]

Having other companies produce spartan armour is a cool idea. They could give the companies cool names like Materials Group, Imbrium Machine Complex, Ushuaia Armory, Naphtali Contractor Corporation, Lethbridge Industrial, Watershed Division, Hannibal Weapon Systems, Acheron Security, Chalybs Defense Solutions or Special Warfare Center. Just spitballing off the top of my head here. With the in game multiplayer being a war games simulation they could even add in armours that are just digital prototypes used for testing before they enter proper production. I can't believe 343 didn't think of something like this before. The fans would love it.

[@gabrielcarmine69]

Its funny that the closest analog to Halo is Gundam and they've got this shit figured out as well as the fact that people really do deeply care about these fictional things that don't exist but 343 keeps fumbling such a well defined bag

[@coven1535]

Imagine if they expanded the armor lore to the point of giving us a storyline of ilegal spartan programs from other nations , after Cortana’s empire fall , maybe they could work in a civil war kinda story between UNSC spartans and Ilegal/bounty hunter spartans

[@nickm5419]

Cowboy bebop Spartans 👌

[@epicdude3659]

7:20 Toyota would make a set that they would not give to the UNSC and say they don't want their armour associated with war, and say it's just for civilian uses, like construction and stuff like that despite it could still function as armour for soldiers. But then they would just give some suits away to a private military group not even associated with Toyota. Yes I'm still shitty that Toyota says shit like not wanting their cars associated with street racing and then just give some of the new Supras to the set of the most recent Fast&Furious movie. Despite F&F having far worse and more illegal things than just street racing.

[@IMFERMO.]

Yes, instead of having to do a fantasy scenario and call them "fractures" it would have been more understandable if the events were called "black market" and is just the collection of stuff, bc they have shown a lot of other customization options like vehicle and weapon variants

[@stardustsakura1984]

maybe we could get like banished inspired armor or elite made armor made by black market elites or a certain squad of spartans that trained with elites or even brutes just a thought

[@thequestbro]

Nah I like the fractures. Not a waste of resources at all. I love the weird little settings they come up with. Especially the Entrenched-verse. I would absolutely play a game based on WW1 style spartans fighting elites from the fucking moon.

[@LateNightHalo]

Unfortunately you won’t be getting that game since they don’t have the resources or reason to. So for now, it’s just waypoint posts

[@thequestbro]

@@LateNightHalo I know that. But we have forge and MCC mods now. You know someone is gonna do it. Alternate universes are fun. I love Gundam AUs. You can take all of the familiar and give it a new spin. Honestly with the way 343 fucked the lore, this might be the best thing they could do is a bunch of AU shit for a while.

[@pododododoehoh3550]

It pained me hearing that explanation of black market samurai armour because it sounds so cool and you said it so easily and made it sound so obvious and yet we will never have that.

[@ouroboricscribe3201]

"The reason the Commando doesn't look like a Halo weapon is..." Because a Respawn refugee worked at 343i, the 101 Carbine looks are there. Could have been executed better but that is just 343i's MO.

[@brodieleonard5817]

Still can’t believe there’s all these bullshit armour cores that no one uses but there’s still no mk VI or better yet mk IV which is literally seen in the art of halo book as a concept for how they would do the armour attachments

[@thecringecounter5091]

It's a misconception that misriah make the spartan armours, it was actually a company called materials group, and they haven't been exclusively making mjolnir in halo since halo 3.

[@Agent_Anderson]

I do like the armor designers are getting the chance to fuck around with different styles but yeah the factureverse is a little ridiculous. When I saw the samurai armor, I thought it was going to be a design split off from the Hayabusa armor. BTW, it's kinda stupid that Hayabusa was not introduced in that event now thinking about it.

[@makerrov]

Ok the Crisis comparison got me lol

[@grayw0lf110]

They could also still call them fracture cores since that naming would fit so well with narrative of black market armors created by fractured groups after the rise of Cortana.

[@rodrigog.m.3555]

I do like the fractures concept, I would like a better interpretation of it, but I do like them as a way to play for specific themed cosmethics from time to time. One thing I would like to see is an implemantation of a game mode around the theme. For example, a minigame with swords in samurai themed forge maps, idk somthing like that more fun

[@wildcardcomet]

343 Industries in of itself is fractured.

[@ChadsYTLife_]

I think Yoroi is 343's version of Hayabusa

[@paytonramsdill9296]

I think that would tie nicely with lone wolves as well because the justification could be that Spartans lost in distant systems with little comma tech but at our from 3rd party vendors. That also opens a cannon reason for cross core looking odd, spare parts from anyone they can find.

[@bander960]

It'd be awesome if we had the multiplayer story for the Tenrai or Entrenched circle black market dealers assisting the scattered and destroyed UNSC during the created war by trading goods such as experimental Spartan armors. Would definitely add some interesting characters, conflicts and potential for story spin-offs in the future.

[@deepism]

To be honest the Fracture core concept just sounds like Chris Lee's mindset all perfectly bundled up into a neat little package with a bow on top.

[@corinthianimperialstudios704]

"How would Toyota or Raytheon design Halo armor" had my dying

[@ShallowVA]

“You can’t just make samurai armor canon in Halo!!” Meanwhile, Hayabusa in Halo 3…

[@thearchitect5405]

Honestly, while I love the fractured cores(other than Chimera), I feel like they don't just take away from potential Halo lore, making spin-off alternate universe lore, but they also leech off of content that could be made for the primary battle pass cores we get with each season, leading to season cores and fracture cores both having less customization than if one or the other was the sole core focused on for the given season. I'd still like to see cores like Tenrai or Eagestrike, but in-universe, and as the sole focus of a season, with their own in-universe lore. The Tenrai core could have easily been produced either by joint operations with the Swords of Sangheilios, or could originate from whatever Japanese culture in the year 2558 is. The Entrenched core could have been mjolnir modified by insurrectionists, Ironman style. And the Chimera core, as much as I hate it, could've been some type of experimental Oni stealth suit.

[@starlightwarden]

I'm late to comment on this but I still wanted to. I completely agree with all that was mentioned. To me, they didn't have to make up the Fractures events for stuff like the Yoroi. For the Yoroi, all they had to do was make a backstory like a Japanese government firm or weapons branch for the UNSC wanted to have Spartan security donning Samurai based MJOLNIR that was made with as much tradition as ancient samurai armor. Boom, done. For armors like the Entrenched one, or the Chimera, I could understand having those be more fictional contrasting the current canon mythos. In either capacity, rather than trying to do some season based story in the academy (which currently is failing) they could've just done short story events around these Fractures cores as well as game modes to support them. Hell, I'd rather have Spartan Ops again at this point since the seasons are progressing too slowly to even narrate them. If they don't implement a more impactful story into the Academy, it's not gonna have any appeal. I mean, when they add in the SPI/Mirage armor, I'd really love to see some badass story about Headhunter Spartans or the Spartan IIIs of Onyx kicking ass, but that'll never likely happen. They could even have introduced maps themed on the eras these fracture armors came from and probably much more, just brainstorming.

[@THEdanrugaming]

From memory, several if not most Halo 5 armors were described as being made through either private or illegal means. I vaguely remember Halo 3's Rogue set to be the same.

[@coleG112]

My gut reaction to this was pretty negative but as you got into it - it's not that the idea of the armor or the cores itself you dislike, it's simply the non-canon, nonchalant, half-hearted way they're adding interesting armor to the game. (Edit: I realized I forgot to add my thought I wanted to add lol-I don’t *dislike* how it is now, but I absolutely agree that what you proposed is better overall)

[@SilverHyozanryu]

It's not like the idea of other in universe manufacturers making armor like this is a new thing in media. We saw this in the iron man movies. We saw it in Pacific rim. It's such an easy justification to why some armor can look radically different.

[@nodlek5939]

Tenrai armor was made by black market Japan. Entrenched armor was made by a mining organization trying to mine on a gas giant.

[@VELI-Productions]

I didn't even know they had write ups attempting to explain the Fracture events

[@davidgilman3884]

Okay how about this, the Samurai Armor is manufactured by Sangheli forgers with the product request brought to them by some group of humans who follow and are heavily influenced by the ancient codes of the samurai? Whether they’re ex militant, people looking to make a profit, or even a rogue militia group

[@existential_narwal9257]

Just to note, certain real life special forces can often choose to buy their own equipment not used by the military. Navy Seals for example, can use any of the military's standard issue weapons, but operators also have the ability buy their own weapon or add aftermarket kits to their guns. So for Spartans(which are basically super special forces in halo), it wouldn't be too unreasonable to say that they could also buy their own armor parts from other armor manufacturers for whatever reason they need to. also also, sometimes soldiers will just where wear things that have 0% practicality but 100% what they think is cool. their are real life examples of Operators wearing moto badges, a skull vest, and a red bandana.

[@justanotheryoutuber3532]

They should make forge tools for armor and weapons. Sale armor forge for $20 and allow ppl to make what ever armor they want and then offer themed packs for $5 a piece. Like have a Japanese forge set or a marvel armor forge set

[@Kenlaboss.]

I hope they make the coming pizza weapon skin canon if anything "Don't let your hunger stand in the way of finishing the fight"

[@SolarGold2007]

Hey LNG, could you make a video talking about what was happening between Halo 5 and Halo Infinite? I tried reading it but I don't understand it at all. I also don't understand the Endless creatures... Why doesn't 343i just stick to what is known and not introduce new stuff every time a new game comes out? I'm fine with the banished, but the Endless or "Xalanyn" things? it's just too much to have to understand: Why is the UNSC dying to Cortanas army in Halo 5 but then, it's immediately taken out 3 to 4 years later? Why do the banished want to kill off the humans? Why did the Forerunners keep the Endless rather than killing them off? Bungie's games made more sense.....

[@tatotahto4409]

i never actually realised that these armors were all non-canon i always just assumed they were modified or built by other companies other than what the UNSC usually goes for due to the need for more suits and spartans during Cortana's attempted takeover. Making things like this canon is pretty easy when you have a massive universe to explore, and if the damn Hayabusa armor can be canon.. why can't any of these new ones be

[@ItsSerranoHD]

Your on-the-spot justification is actually somewhat similar to the reasoning for how the Monarch Titan in Titanfall 2 came to be. It being basically a bootleg Vanguard-class Titan (based on two burnt up remains of Vanguards found after the end of the campaign), the Monarch was an attempt to replicate the adaptability of the Vanguard, but since the Vanguard was too advanced, Vinson Dynamics instead brought their own innovations to the Monarch to be adaptable in its own right. While they attempted to keep it a secret, it eventually leaked onto the black market, with mercenary Pilots fielding them and independent manufacturers producing their own Monarchs.

[@JustCallMeStent]

Honestly, I feel Yoroi could have easily been a GEN 3 evolution of HAYABUSA, now made into it's own platform as opposed to just being a MJOLNIR offshoot.

[@klaykid117]

I really like your idea of different manufacturers trying to make their own Spartan armor maybe even have the lore say that there was a leak of information and now it's basically public knowledge how the UNC actually makes their Spartans. Maybe you could even have it that some companies have scooped up profits that were out of a job after the covenant collapsed to work on these technologies in exchange for protecting them from former covenant species who hate them. I feel like this is all indicative of the fact that the developers at 343 don't really want to work on Halo they want to work on their own original project what are forced to continue to be the Halo studio

[@salsaroja9740]

I agree with the idea that these other cores are alternative manufacturers due to the collapse of the UNSC but a nitpick I have is them being illegal because why would they allow Spartans to keep it? It makes more sense to say the UNSC became much more liberal with their contracting. Also, another idea: The samurai core could be a decorative/ceremonial/parade core made to inspire a good portion of humanity in the wake of the collapse, connecting these new heroes with the (imagined) majesty of feudal Japan and, most importantly, Earth.

[@wyattbhoffman]

Like literally the Samurai armor could literally be project Hayabusa manufactures if they wanted that

[@jackcolson4745]

Your idea near the end is literally the explanation for Halo 4 and 5's different looking armor.

[@Aloofasf]

Honestly doesn't bother me to have fracture mini universes but they definitely should be doing way more with their "spartan story"

[@LazyartistLast]

I'd like that black market lore. Since Spartans are basically just recruited now, and we know there's insurectionist sympathizers like Micky who became Spartans, I wouldn't be against a game having former unsc spartan enemies. Like people who signed up, went awol with their armor. Even cheaper alternatives that come out with a similar use. Like how Jorge has a shield generator on his chest piece, they could have stuff like that over newer shields

[@crimsonboop902]

I am liking that the latest fractures event is an extension of the created-conflict, with the framing device of Sloane devising a way to continue without Cortana.

[@LateNightHalo]

Sloane, the random overseer on a backwater world being suddenly the head of the Created is such a fan fiction-y story choice. It makes no sense for him to be so important in the Halo universe and I hope we dont hear about him again.

[@thisisaname873]

Conceptually I like the idea of Fractures letting them do whatever they like but I agree that the effort put into them being higher than the actual main timeline stuff is weird. I do like the idea of bootleg gear (especially since we have a few already going off descriptions) or just jank equipment made by companies trying to get SOMETHING off the production line though.

[@__-ni1kz]

They have enough canon armour to draw from in MKIV, MKV, MKVI, MKVII, MKIV/V B, SPI and stuff like the MKIII prototype. They each have a distinct style and they could retroactively design some cool sets for pre-Halo 3 canon armour. Hell, even the novelty of having the older MJOLNIR variants modelled in similar technical style to their respective games would sell nicely. They have an easy lineage to draw upon, to really flesh out a game that could be a 10 year live service and visually a definitive Halo experience. Having the ability to rock your favourite set whether you’ve been playing since 2004 or 2015 is the kind of community embracing PE that makes the 10-year live service narrative believable for Infinite. Non-Halo fans aren’t being drawn in when they see so much negativity from Halo fans, you get a larger playerbase by doing well by your existing community (see: FFXIV). Also who the fuck needs a narrative in multiplayer? I don’t need a lore reason to be playing 4v4 slayer, I just want fun gameplay.

[@mosterchife6045]

I agree actually, having lore like this for the fractures would really scratch that itch I've had for more lore within the Halo universe, especially if combined with bringing back spartan ops (but good) like your video discussing it talked about. The multiplayer seasonal story thing is _really_ not cutting it.

[@Sergeant1127]

This is also interesting once you consider that some planets seem to have been majority colonized by specific earth based ethnicities like Reach predominantly being colonized by Hungarians.

[@VaneWalker]

Personally, I'm sick of multiverses and crossovers. Same goes for all the meta commentary. Feels like every IP is too afraid to be itself, but the reality is that there is a lot of money to be made from cosmetics and borrowing the fandoms from existing franchises.

[@rafaelv3118]

Since they announced it I think 343 added fracture armors as a way to be able to include armors and styles for partnerships with other games and franchises - like they were trying to give cannon explanation for crossovers

[@GiggsTheWanderer]

Yoroi- A result of further development the Hayabusa armor system (Hayabusa was developed parallel to Mjolnir in h3 lore) Eagle Strike- Up-armored industrial exoskeletons augmented with black market Mjolnir components developed by insurrectionists and other outlaw factions in an attempt to combat spartans.

[@warbilby]

This is the thought I had day one. When Yoroi was first introduced everyone agreed it was 343's take on Hayabusa, the thing is, Hayabusa is canon and Yoroi is not. And both for the most part fit the artstyle.

[@Fang1519]

I don't know if this was mentioned in the stream or anyone said it. MCC made lore for those Greek Mythology armors. Also anyone remember Anvil Station?