Frank Gerwer Breaks Down Why Skateboard Truck Sizes Are Different

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We Talk To Frank Gerwer About Skateboard Truck Sizes
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[@digitalexpirationdate]

Anyone that doesn’t skate would not understand any part of this conversation.

[@kylebookout1789]

Love the truck nerdery. More frank. All hail frank!

[@willismiller9618]

Hell yeah. No grab kick flip Wallenberg. Gnar

[@vanheestvisual]

I've been skating for years and years but one thing that humbles me is buying new trucks. I consistently feel like it's the first pair of trucks I've ever bought and never have any clue what the numbers mean. I just hold them up make sure they are about the same width as the deck and I'm good to go. Indy's all the way. Recently I got the hollow Indys, pretty rad. Definitely feels nice and light.

[@churrosconamor6696]

Switch up the bushings bro. I ride indy n rock the super hard yellow bushings. 👌 they stay true. Obviously they need time to break in but once broken in bro you out.

[@s.ibnihenry.abdullah2165]

If he like loose trucks I doubt he like to have hard bushings, seem like he is happy with the standard bushings that indies have.

[@CamilleDeveveraux]

154's all the way, and i don't care if they don't exist.

[@kid2174]

One day king

[@hanskloss1331]

I ride 300's

[@MOXATRON]

So we measure wheels in mm, and boards in inches. the whole measure system is messed up anyway.

[@Space.Pimpin]

then there's the whole world fakie nomenclature...

[@Houfaaa]

imagine measuring wheel sizes in freedom units... hey man, you still riding 2.047 inch wheels? nah I sized up to some 2.125 ers

[@BobbyPhoenix]

If you measure a skateboard deck in inches it only makes sense to measure the trucks in inches, so if you skate an 8" deck you would skate an 8" truck. Simple really.

[@Dontbustthecrust]

A lot of people like their trucks undersized.

[@graxjpg]

@@Dontbustthecrust and some like em a little oversized. I have setups that to both!

[@pirateguitarrr]

Here's a mind-blowing idea, how about we start calling trucks that fit an 8 inch board, an 8-size truck. A 7.75 would be called a 7.75, and so on.

[@natfingerboard]

Because even tho the axle might be the same size among all of them, the hanger itself may change, and vice versa. companies need to get their shit together first. The problem goes beyond just what those numbers mean, it's also where do they apply, are you mesuring the axle, the hanger, the hanger + washers, the axle minus or with the threads? if the axle is X size how long should the hanger be, and so on.

[@s.ibnihenry.abdullah2165]

Mini logo and krux trucks have trucks that is like this in size more or less where toral truck wide mentioned like mentioned which kind of board it matches.

[@NotoriousNUGS]

Frank is the best! He's like a comedian skateboarder lol

[@WhatisAPaladin]

why? because he acts surprised every time he tries to make a joke? or maybe your just easily amused.. ether way i find him to be a typical annoying westerner where: Loud = Funny

[@neighborhood_k]

​@@WhatisAPaladin Would love to see your examples, his nine club interview does not back up your claims lol

[@AdamH-]

Thunder height changes depending on the baseplate. 147 and smaller are also shorter than 148 and bigger.

[@bushwickerman]

i totally back putting everything as millimeters. its like some brands measure it by the wheel base or the full length of the axle, too much variation. i like my thunder 147s

[@TysonHook-22-]

Truck companies base model naming verbiage by hanger width... just that some brands Tensor and Venture, Royal use inches 5.25, 5.0, 5.5" ect and Indy and Thunder use millimeters 139,144/48, 149mm ect... Ace is something else completey where the truck model numbers/naming verbiage has no relation to an actual truck measurement Ace 00, 11, 22, 33, 44, 55, 66. Where things get ultra confusing is varing axle widths and truck height for each brands truck models and then on top of that the true accuracy of each brands measuresments compared to there trucks naming/model verbiage. Tensor is the most true and accurate to there model names... A Tensor 5.25 has a 5.25" hanger 5.5s have a 5.5" hanger, 5.75s have 5.75" and 6.0s of course are 6.0"... vary simple to understand once you check the size charts but they dont have as many truck models as other brands and it could use a little tweaking in axles widths to perfect things as a industry standard but its arugably the most simple measurement and accurate system overall when you compare brand charts. Indy system is fairly accurate as well... indy 129s have a 128mm hanger width, 139s have a true 137mm hanger, 144s have a 143mm 149s have 150mm, 159 have 156mm, 169s have 160mm hangers and 215 have a 187mm hanger...so a bit wacky with hanger widths vs naming/model verbiage but once you know it you know it, ovrall its not terrible and with a little tweaking could be standardized across. Thunder and Venture on the other hand, have measures all over the place compared to the actual measuresments of the hanger widths that they use for model verbiage... again those that ride them get it but they make everything much more confusing with the model verbiage vs the actual hanger widths heights etc etc... I'm not even gonna attempt to type it out and instead just link you to the sizing breakdown. This website has one of the best break downs of Indys, Thunder, Venture, and Tensor showcasing the actual measurements of the axles and hangers and heights for each truck brands model line-up. @t​

[@UTCSB]

1:14 but arent the white venture bushings 90a and the red are 94a and the purple 98a? i feel like the colors are used to tell different durometers...

[@kmrskates]

Yes! Not sure if Thunder implements the same since I don't skate them.

[@theATkid]

Wait what!?

[@lusitinho8761]

Interesting topic, thanks for putting this out Nine Club. It would be dope if we could come to some unified consensus on truck sizes in terms of axle width for sure. One thing I wish truck companies would do is put out more info on the truck height though. It's amazing how you can feel the difference in truck height from just a few millimetres difference, but that information would help a lot when buying trucks. As someone pretty new to skating I've learned a lot on Indy's, but Im finding that a lower setup with Thunders or Tensor alloys (especially with boards with steep kicks like FA's) are what feels ideal at this point. Stating the difference in height based on baseplate construction is helpful as well.

[@reup4023]

That's not the only difference, each brand also affects the wheelbase differently, why do you think it's difficult to put on Ventures(the T-tool is at an angle when trying to tighten the nuts at the outside the hanger, I used a wrench), is pushed out further than the rest.

[@guyfromthatthing1017]

Where can i get some of those Thunder low bushings? Holla at ‘cha boy!

[@eppyz]

Its the same thing with cell phone cords....why can't there be just ONE KIND of phone cord, or charging cord for similar devices? You have USB, Micro USB, Type C, HDMI, Lightning Cables it just is crazy 😲

[@catethps]

type c's the way, anyone doing anything else is shittin the bed

[@MrKylederp]

It's way better now, used to be worse

[@Afrikantk]

Was reading this comment in passing then a buddy sent me a company that actually has a solution to this. Check out BryteLife...

[@idonttrustgoogle]

who tf has an HDMI port on their phone

[@eppyz]

@@idonttrustgoogle many Samsung phones have it as a plug in play type of thing... Just too many cords man it's nutty🤪

[@gt_outdoorexcursions]

I do the same thing with the low bushing, allows you to ride loose without losing the nut. Keep the bottom the same so geometry stays fine.

[@CosmicCamera]

lol i love how this conversation got started, i'm in it to win it now

[@Serphwratt]

The big 3 in the truck world used to be casted at the same place (Ermico) for years and it’s crazy that they all used different sizing because the mold lengths for each brands tier match up. Marketing is a beast you have to deal with as a company and a consumer. Deluxe dist. even used to sell Indys (raws) at one point in time because of their tie to Ermico. I always wondered why NHS didn’t sell Thunder and Venture (raws), you know like an even trade off. Ah, the skate industry and it’s madness.

[@justinsommers4792]

Bushings have durometer. The more you weigh the higher you want. I used stock Indy orange 88 way to soft to blue Indy 90. They are perfect. I weigh 220. YES the make a difference!!! Even the locals now it

[@ImAnEmergency]

Second this. My Theeve TiAx has the old design that blew out bottom bushings so I kept the yellow Bones bushing up top and the hard black Bones bushing on the bottom (@ 175#) and it's perfect for me now. People should experiment with bushings first before changing out trucks. It could change up your whole kit for 1/10th the price.

[@TysonHook-22-]

He is referrring to brands stock bushing color not mattering... there all 90a durometer stock regardles of color (except theive which use medium bones bushings stock which are 91a) Just like how they say color wheels are less durable then white wheels (has some true merit Ive read) or that certain deck veneer colors are weaker or stronger then others (99.9% myth), some people also believe that the various dye colors of stock bushings feel different to ride and are different durometers which just isnt true, 90a is standard stock bushing duro across all brands with the exception being Thieve trucks with bones 91a stock bushings... Indy, Bones, Shorty's etc etc aftermarket bushings are without a doubt noticeably different durometers anyone thats ever tried various bushing duro's knows this... but he wasnt referring to after market bushings well he was discussing bushing duro, he was referencing stock bushing color not resulting in different duro's for example Indy trucks with stock orange bushing are 90a as goes for Indys trucks with stock black bushings, or stock blue bushings etc the colors of stock bushings vary for looks and aesthetics only and are always 90a regardless of color... and once again, Indy aftermarket bushings on the other hand do infact have varying duros by colors but the duro variation isnt a result of color dye... its a result of changing the bushing urathane formula.

[@namedidii]

i was an indy medium hard to hard guy for maybe ten years but I've been running the regular bushings for a year just loose. Gerwer and Kelly are discussing thunder aftermarket bushing, which come in the different colors for the same durometer i think

[@guyfromthatthing1017]

They do. Weird: 100a duro black that come in the Thunder Rebuild Kit are noticeably harder (snd better) than the 100a duro Florescent Yellow replacement bushings that come in a tube (Yellows are still acceptable, but black truer 100 duro)

[@youtubeuser4321]

The right bushings are essential and also Riptide Pivot Cups. Great convo as always and Frank is a real one 👌 Also Tech tip use a bones flat washer for the top washer on Ventures you won't go back.

[@MrSunnyBra]

Metric it up Merica. Camaaaaan join us! (the rest of the world) 😆

[@johnnyc.3261]

Kelly, Frank and Chris sounds like a pretty good start to an actual skateboarding U.N. type situation.

[@prostitutionsavedmymarriag3015]

Nobody wants United nations anything.

[@MFSHECKS]

Nah thats trash

[@peruperu-jj8zs]

Even if we measure boards in MM, companies even have different ways to measure trucks. Thunder 149 is completely different from Indy 149.

[@caterpillakilla]

Skate companies should do what ski companies do...in order to safely understand the sizing and binding they got on the same page

[@allanreyes5520]

maybe its really bout time that the lndustry will put an agreement on Truck measurements, standardize that shit.. the 8s, 8.25s, 8.5s blah blah blah etc..but i dont know.. just need some air from d outside these days i guess..

[@marcsimm1]

Roger is seriously on to something with measuring boards in mm. It would be way easier to figure out your truck size if you just need it to be equal to or a little smaller than the board size

[@haaake]

Trucks mm measurement is just measuring the hanger though, not the axle, which is why Venture is like 5 and 5.5 and shit because they decided to measure their hangars in inches. It really only makes sense to measure the axle width these days, but probably back in the day before standard popsicle shapes they had more reason to measure the hanger widths.

[@jsk8et]

Dude when I got my first legit complete, it was an 8.5 Powell Mini-Logo with Grind Kings that probably fit a 7.75. It was ridiculous. You’d think the guy at the shop would have caught that...

[@luwesthkates456]

Dude worked at Zumiez before

[@jsk8et]

@@luwesthkates456 It was actually a local shop. I think he just wasn't paying attention, or maybe he was a surfer that was just on the schedule for that day. It is/was a surf/skate shop.

[@jsk8et]

@Timo Withnail I think there's an old school mentality that you're not supposed to think about details--it's just either you can do a thing or you can't. I think the people that excel are often the ones that see through that and aren't afraid to nerd out on something so they can understand it and figure out their way of doing whatever the thing is. The ones who burn out are the ones who are naturally gifted but never learn how to work or think it through when things start to escape their natural ability. I figure that guy thought like that, maybe?

[@trickswithjp]

I once had a guy try to sell my buddy two different sized trucks until I caught it and was like dude wtf. Funny thing I knew the guy and knew he skated. Just wasn't paying attention I gueese felt awkward and I called the shop owner to straighten everything out lol

[@Justin-dn6nt]

I've been riding tensor lows for awhile and they are perfect for my everyday skating

[@ganoneslope4011]

U Should Break Down All thee Interviews Into Smaller Segments Like This!!

[@AndrewJobes]

these are just the highlights of the podcast... if they did that then the actual podcast would be terrible. If you want more of these watch more of this channel

[@forevergnarlygaming3943]

169 indys with 9.55 Beach bum anti hero shaped. Godly

[@thinglizzy2718]

I wish I could do that. I have crazy madness on my board. Nothings worse than breaking in trucks

[@redlash5640]

no, i always change bushing in my thunders, with the replacement kit where the bushing 100s hardness

[@satchelyork]

Anyone ever have a streak where they broke a kingpin like every session? happened to me back in the day like 3 days in a row and never had done it before i wasnt doing stairs, wasnt fat (yet)

[@natfingerboard]

153's semi hollow extra jumbo, with adamantium base plate is the best.

[@SamSeven214]

Mmm I don’t fully agree with the bushing thing. There really is a difference in softness depending

[@TysonHook-22-]

He is referrring to brands stock bushing color not mattering... there all 90a durometer stock regardles of color (except theive which use medium bones bushings stock which are 91a) Just like how they say color wheels are less durable then white wheels (has some true merit Ive read) or that certain deck veneer colors are weaker or stronger then others (99.9% myth), some people also believe that the various dye colors of stock bushings feel different to ride and are different durometers which just isnt true, 90a is standard stock bushing duro across all brands with the exception being Thieve trucks with bones 91a stock bushings... Indy, Bones, Shorty's etc etc aftermarket bushings are without a doubt noticeably different durometers anyone thats ever tried various bushing duro's knows this... but he wasnt referring to after market bushings well he was discussing bushing duro, he was referencing stock bushing color not resulting in different duro's for example Indy trucks with stock orange bushing are 90a as goes for Indys trucks with stock black bushings, or stock blue bushings etc the colors of stock bushings vary for looks and aesthetics only and are always 90a regardless of color... and once again, Indy aftermarket bushings on the other hand do infact have varying duros by colors but the duro variation isnt a result of color dye... its a result of changing the bushing urathane formula.

[@Nollie_Fullcab]

Okay seriously if grimple made caster wheels with baseplates that would fit regular skate decks it would be amazing. Would essentially turn any board into a ripstik lmao! Id buy a pair

[@tbvolcomskater]

1:22 what…? Thunder sells 90du, 95du, and 100du bushings. Those are all definitely different🤔

[@TysonHook-22-]

Truck companies base model naming verbiage by hanger width... just that some brands Tensor and Venture, Royal use inches 5.25, 5.0, 5.5" ect and Indy and Thunder use millimeters 139,144/48, 149mm ect... Ace is something else completey where the truck model numbers/naming verbiage has no relation to an actual truck measurement Ace 00, 11, 22, 33, 44, 55, 66. Where things get ultra confusing is varing axle widths and truck height for each brands truck models and then on top of that the true accuracy of each brands measuresments compared to there trucks naming/model verbiage. Tensor is the most true and accurate to there model names... A Tensor 5.25 has a 5.25" hanger 5.5s have a 5.5" hanger, 5.75s have 5.75" and 6.0s of course are 6.0"... vary simple to understand once you check the size charts but they dont have as many truck models as other brands and it could use a little tweaking in axles widths to perfect things as a industry standard but its arugably the most simple measurement and accurate system overall when you compare brand charts. Indy system is fairly accurate as well... indy 129s have a 128mm hanger width, 139s have a true 137mm hanger, 144s have a 143mm 149s have 150mm, 159 have 156mm, 169s have 160mm hangers and 215 have a 187mm hanger...so a bit wacky with hanger widths vs naming/model verbiage but once you know it you know it, ovrall its not terrible and with a little tweaking could be standardized across. Thunder and Venture on the other hand, have measures all over the place compared to the actual measuresments of the hanger widths that they use for model verbiage... again those that ride them get it but they make everything much more confusing with the model verbiage vs the actual hanger widths heights etc etc... I'm not even gonna attempt to type it out and instead just link you to the sizing breakdown. This website has one of the best break downs of Indys, Thunder, Venture, and Tensor showcasing the actual measurements of the axles and hangers and heights for each truck brands model line-up. @t​

[@TysonHook-22-]

They got so side tracked by the where he finds low top bushings for his trucks, they legit never asked why he goes through all the trouble... they never asked his purpose for using a low top bushing on a high truck.

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

I wish Frank was my friend

[@LUZ-zv6pq]

You only need to know which size Indy you need...

[@AndrewJobes]

lmaooo

[@poszur742]

The irony is he is 100% correct, everybody is right in skateboarding.. skate fight!... skate fight! O.k. truck huddle everybody.

[@TysonHook-22-]

For thosee confused about the bushing duro talk... Frank is referrring to brands stock bushing color not mattering... there all 90a durometer stock regardles of color (except theive which use medium bones bushings stock which are 91a) Just like how they say color wheels are less durable then white wheels (has some true merit Ive read) or that certain deck veneer colors are weaker or stronger then others (99.9% myth), some people also believe that the various dye colors of stock bushings feel different to ride and are different durometers which just isnt true, 90a is standard stock bushing duro across all brands with the exception being Thieve trucks with bones 91a stock bushings... Indy, Bones, Shorty's etc etc aftermarket bushings are without a doubt noticeably different durometers anyone thats ever tried various bushing duro's knows this... but he wasnt referring to after market bushings well he was discussing bushing duro, he was referencing stock bushing color not resulting in different duro's for example Indy trucks with stock orange bushing are 90a as goes for Indys trucks with stock black bushings, or stock blue bushings etc the colors of stock bushings vary for looks and aesthetics only and are always 90a regardless of color... and once again, Indy aftermarket bushings on the other hand do infact have varying duros by colors but the duro variation isnt a result of color dye... its a result of changing the bushing urathane formula.

[@18JR78]

*Height* not Heigth

[@mitch3384]

Errbody going mad like there aren't 40,000 images on Google Images showing what an Indy 149 is in EVERY OTHER METALLIC, APPROXIMATELY SHAPED OBJECT EVER PRODUCED.

[@mikeverzosa2061]

Why aren't there low trucks for wider boards. Isn't it time?

[@oskargarden4559]

Mike Verzosa .. because you Americans do not have health insurances. Wheel bite to the hospital. That a safety measure

[@DeafBlindMan]

Wtf is he saying? a) the smallest thunders are 143. b) they stay the same height until 147, beyond that they get higher.

[@idmhead0160]

According to Thunder's website, what Frank said isn't true. The heights of the trucks vary depending on the base plate. Whether it's forged or Team. And also it depends on the width of the trucks. Maybe it's less of a difference than what it was previously, if they had low and high versions. Personally, I find the "Team" naming confusing also. Personally, I think they should simplify the naming and get rid of the word Team. I wanted to get Thunders for awhile but held off, because I couldn't figure out which one to get. I was concerned that they would be too low and would have wheel bite problems. I ended up getting the hollow lights which I like a lot. They don't turn as good as Indys though. But, I think that may not necessarily be a bad thing. They seem easier to control for things like manuals.

[@Oldmonstrosityshop]

Ok so Indy’s are 139, Thunders are 147, Venture are 5.2. Why not just call them 8” axles 🤷🏻‍♂️.

[@wookerton]

The MM for the trucks is how tall they are. What frustrates me is they don’t market them very well to just let me know how wide they actually are, 8, 8.25, 8.5?

[@PHeMoX]

The transparent colour bushings are _definitely_ softer by default. There's no way it could be just as hard. Just physically impossible. It's like the whole white wheels versus coloured wheels thing, you can't throw a dye in there and expect it to not mess up the material. But.. the problem is more like you'd not easily distinguish a 92a from a 97a or something close to that. You could perhaps notice it in terms of maximum truck tightness and how the 92a would continue to bend easier. But it most likely wouldn't matter too much. Keep in mind the 'standard' bushings you'd get with trucks are pretty soft actually. 'Medium' bushings for most brands are like between 90a to 95a or something. And we all know that durometer rating isn't a universal standard by any stretch. My Ricta Chrome 99a wheels seem pretty much as hard as and slightly more slidey than the Spitfire F4 conical fulls 101a, which is just plain silly. If you touch the wheels one definitely feels more like rubber and oily, where the other one feels more like a more dry plastic, but it wouldn't surprise me much if the two are pretty much on par in terms of actual durometer. I'm also aware some wheels need to wear down a bit to show their true face, but the Ricta Chrome 99a have been used quite a lot already and don't seem to change much.

[@DeafBlindMan]

a) Skate durometers are made up. Shore hardness scales stop at 100 max, there is no 101 etc.. any value over 90 or below 10 is inaccurate and another scale should be used. b) The difference between 90 92 and 94 indy bushings is very noticeable even if its only 2. c) Use the enter key for more readability :)

[@haaake]

Just not true. Indy sells a huge range of bushings that are all solid colored, and have a large difference in durometer. All the way from 88a-96a. Thunder makes 90-100a in solid and clear colors. And many different colors of 90a bushings.

[@guyfromthatthing1017]

How tall are those old Thunder Lo bushings?

[@PhillyTornadoSpin]

Truck companys should just make the measurements the same as deck measurements.

[@PMT733]

I love frank and his gigantic nose

[@churrosconamor6696]

Idk i ride indy n a big guy. You can def tell the differemce they bushings. I have to the yellow ones they super hard bushings.

[@bimorahmantyo3756]

every truck company only needs a truck that have indy standard height with thunder standard weight

[@dougmilesjr.555]

hell yea thunders!

[@MrDeathwish94]

Lol Frank is soooo funny

[@soundsbitter]

Indy 144 is "8.25"

[@onlockmobileskateshop113]

Trucks are overwhelming 🧐

[@Coherent_Nonsense]

that Mike Carroll march madness board bums cuz i mail ordered it and told them i want a girl deck size 8...they sent me like a 7.5 or smaller and I snapped the tail in less than a week

[@weez231]

Why are Indy 215s so hard to find? Wanted some for my Beemer, ended up having to get gullwings... because I NEED TO SKATE THIS BOARD...

[@weez231]

mark britto I came across some skateshop or something online via insta... it's slipping my mind rn, but it said something about pre order and that they should be restocking June/July. So all I'll say is keep your eyes peeled, because I know people are doubling up on them

[@memorysometimers3067]

Very sad to say....Indy is now made in Chiina. No respect for that. Bring it back to CALI ! Actually anywhere in NorthAmerica can manufacture trucks no prob. Lets start making quality in our home Country. Not quantity(Chiina), we need quality(CAN/US) !!

[@tylerrobertsonskateboarding]

I heard the mold to make em broke or something

[@JackedBlack88]

Wide Trucks Save Lives!

[@thedevilskind]

Just follow the trucks company's sizing chart

[@peruperu-jj8zs]

Only Krux get the sizing thing. Every other companies are out of their minds with the sizes

[@zmstorm1]

I’m always blown away by the lack of understanding here. First, every measurement chart is on the company websites. Second, but out a tape measure and measure the axle if you need certainty. Also, what the fuck? Thunder does still have hi and lo technically ... it comes down to wether or not the base plate is cast or forged. All info is on the company websites! 😂

[@peruperu-jj8zs]

all problems will be solved if all truck companies just used the same measurement, 8.25, 8.5 for example

[@carcass85]

Make thunder lows again plz

[@rodrigozendejas4139]

Every skater is like this in some way

[@gonzo13ist]

Thunder trucks are tooo low and the risers don’t fit the base plates! WTF!

[@TysonHook-22-]

Shock pads are never aligned perfectly to truck base plate widths... Assumign you have a 1/8" shock pad... shock pads are made of soft rubber whereas risers are hard plastic. The solution to shock pad overhang is... you setup your deck with the trucks and shock pads, take a sharp utility knife and slice/mark the rubber shock pad to match the trucks base plate size. disassemble your board and then finish cutting through the shock pad on a cutting board with the utility knife and a ruler... otherwise slicing it completely off well still attached to your board your gonna also slice into the bottom veneer of your deck (possibly creating a weak point) and its generally just much more safe, simple and less ackward to cut the shock pad on a cutting board with a ruler compared to well setup on your board. If yyou dont trim down your shock pad being that its a soft rubber the slight overhang of the baseplate will make contact and slocw you down during nose and tail slides since you wont lock up against the trucks metal baseplate properly with interferace from the overhanging rubber shock pad. Shock pads are great at preventing pressure cracks and slightly cushionng impacts/crusing... and of course change your truck height which directly effects pop/timing by changing your boards nose and tail contact timing/ollie launch angle. a 1/8" shock/riser pad is roughly 3mm of additional truck height... so for example a 55mm indy hi is now 58mm with a 1/8 shock/riser pad. Tensor and Thunder which are 52mm high would equaly a 55mm with a 1/8" shock pad

[@gonzo13ist]

Tyson Hook I was talking about risers not shock pads

[@TysonHook-22-]

@@gonzo13ist ohh okay, I'm use to using indy, mini logo or diamond shock pads myself... but looking at images of the thunder riser pads are you not able to slide the riser back to be flush with the front facing base side of your trucks?... A little over hang on the inner truck side (towards center of the board) shouldnt matter as long as the riser is flush with the nose and tail sides of the truck baseplate.

[@usslongbeachcg9]

Durometer of bushings makes a huge difference, but as with all skating, just the way they put it, it's really up to your personal preferances

[@TysonHook-22-]

He is referrring to brands stock bushing color not mattering... there all 90a durometer stock regardles of color (except theive which use medium bones bushings stock which are 91a) Just like how they say color wheels are less durable then white wheels (has some true merit Ive read) or that certain deck veneer colors are weaker or stronger then others (99.9% myth), some people also believe that the various dye colors of stock bushings feel different to ride and are different durometers which just isnt true, 90a is standard stock bushing duro across all brands with the exception being Thieve trucks with bones 91a stock bushings... Indy, Bones, Shorty's etc etc aftermarket bushings are without a doubt noticeably different durometers anyone thats ever tried various bushing duro's knows this... but he wasnt referring to after market bushings well he was discussing bushing duro, he was referencing stock bushing color not resulting in different duro's for example Indy trucks with stock orange bushing are 90a as goes for Indys trucks with stock black bushings, or stock blue bushings etc the colors of stock bushings vary for looks and aesthetics only and are always 90a regardless of color... and once again, Indy aftermarket bushings on the other hand do infact have varying duros by colors but the duro variation isnt a result of color dye... its a result of changing the bushing urathane formula.

[@retrosmodernlife8705]

I have some Ishod hollows and they came with the white bushings. Everybody would always say that's the whites are Thunder's best bushings. I blew them out within like a 3 months, then I got some Bones and I liked em but I blew those out too! So I bought I set of the Thunder bushing's & I went with blue (they didn't have white), most were telling me I should've just waited but I actually love blues & I think they look sick. They've lasted prolly almost a year with no blowouts, give prolly didn't skate quite as much this last year but still. So I really think it's just preference on what you like. I think a lot of the quality is based on how old they are & how long they've been sitting on the shelf at the the shop!!

[@delixwtf]

Humble Pie u must be over 220 pounds

[@markguardiani1389]

S M L XL XXL truck sizes for all brands please

[@JN-vi9iv]

And Thunders are the best height . So don’t go and fuck that up Thunder

[@d_sidepaintball]

I can personally say that bushing durometer does matter. I ride bones hard with my trucks pretty much as tight as they can be tightened, no matter what brand truck. If I tried this with the stock bushing of most trucks they would be crushed completely. There are others out there but, bones bushings have stayed consistent over about 20 years of skating and are pretty easy to get your hands on.

[@sodajr]

The dye actually affects the urethane. It is only to a slight degree, but you can actually feel the slight difference in characteristics. It is most noticeable in downhill wheels because they take a lot of abuse. Different colors will slightly affect the wear/durability and also the amount of grip they have.

[@batrecon9736]

Can someone just make trucks that are adjustable? They can be low and high, short and low.

[@gt_outdoorexcursions]

to riser pad, or not to rise pad, that is the question!

[@typerightseesight]

i dont want to get into it but i can tell you thunder hasnt made a low street skating truck since i got good in like 07 handicapp sons of a bitches. lol. and you can quote me on that.

[@watchcitydog]

The die affects the urethane. Same with cotton and wool and anything else. If you get a quality died shirt they will be slightly different color to color. One dye will cause premature wear while another dye may leave the shirt feeling much more fluffy. Same with bushings. No, I'm not saying some bushings are fluffy, that would be silly. Certain colors will have better bounce and others will crumble at some point while other don't. So in my opinion bushing color makes a difference. In short dies can be corrosive. Do I personally have a preference, no I'm older and haven't skated enough lately to beat the bag out of a bushing in a long, long, long time but they are different.

[@brucebrown8362]

169s everytimes

[@alittlecrinkley232]

159s

[@weez231]

Kasper 777 good luck finding a pair :/

[@dmpsie_]

For Chris Roberts the metric system is a problem either

[@nachyomoney3598]

Skateboards were invented in Murica so they should be measured in Murican, lol.

[@gorryman]

Indy are arbitrary and especially all the 8.25 trucks are just whatever with the names

[@Kevin-se7bg]

Psych lol real men ride Independents!! They give the best pop

[@Legoequalsfun]

Ace master race

[@timothyharvey1848]

I agree but everyone’s different!

[@hollow_w33n]

@@Legoequalsfun ah. a fellow ace trucks rider.

[@oskargarden4559]

Nathaniel Hill .. Aces are a copy of Stage 3 Indys. So you are still kind of a men 🙈🤣

[@boogie..]

Not if you're on a 14 inch wheel base.

[@osheapeterson3845]

No one skates aces?

[@tru2myrealigion]

Best trucks

[@timmartinez100]

it's always amusing to listen to americans discussing the metric system.

[@MFSHECKS]

They did this to themselves 😂

[@420catson]

Lol

[@evangundlach9538]

111

[@CBDPiggy]

This

[@bushydickbill]

Why didn’t they talk about thunders being so squeaky

[@irieeyes12]

Lol fr

[@juiceman7649]

I use 2 top thunder bushings on my trucks becuase the top one are smaller than the bottom ones which makes my 149 thunders as low as the 147 there is a difference in height on the website I just like my trucks low and wide to the ground

[@ieatshit12]

Haha It's like Untied Nations

[@nekorogers]

This made me choke on my ice cream.