FRANK KITSON'S LEGACY in N.I | The MRF, IRA DOUBLE-AGENTS (The "Freds") & Britain's DIRTY WAR

[@thegoodlistenerpodcast]

TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Kitson’s background 14:55 KITSON COMES TO N.I 20:30 THE MRF 22:40 Howard Smith 25:16 MRF, The “Freds” & Four Square laundry 37:20 Ballymurphy 42:00 MRF 44:45 PROPAGANDA 45:45 MRF 48:27 KINCORA SCANDAL, Albert Baker & The UDA 52:08 MRF and the fate of 2 of “the Freds” 54:15 MRF SOLIDER TRIAL for Pat McVeigh murder 57:45 William Black (MRF story) 1:00:55 PYS-OPS 1:04:20 RUC CORRUPTION 1:09:20 What came after the MRF (SRU, FRU) 1:13:30 Derek Willford’s relationship to Kitson 1:18:50 David’s new book

[@mo6278]

@thegoodlistenerpodcast. Have you heard of the book called Fisher of Men it's about the FRU very interesting read. The stuff they got up to. Book by Rob Lewis

[@llewev]

"Dirty War" - Not only is all war "dirty" but to expect the British to abide by some set of "civilised rules" while their opponents used every trick in the book is either totally one-sided or naïve.

[@MrCOUNTYCORK]

Is that why he killed innocent people, bombings in Dublin and monaghan carried out by British security force members with countless other innocent people murdered by his gang of terrorist thugs ,,kitson was a war criminal

[@DaveHammondDublin]

Well if your talking about British colonial wars you’d know all about being totally one sided.

[@llewev]

@@DaveHammondDublin Some were one-sided, but most were woefully under resourced by mostly anti-colonial governments.

[@MrCOUNTYCORK]

@@DaveHammondDublin well to be honest Imperialism was one sided it was about stealing resources and exploiting the people of said countries, if one sided was a war of liberation then they are delusional for sure lad

[@jameslappin9017]

wtf,,,,the british empire ,r you 4 real . murders ,,not the irish ,,,the brits

[@ATLmodK]

Another great interview. I bought the book through Amazon while I was listening! 👍

[@ATLmodK]

One of the best books I have read on this subject! So well researched and documented.

[@gregrudolph2378]

Any thoughts on the influence of Kitson in the creation of the Glenanne Gang in 1972 (Same year as the MRF)? As many of you know, thee Glenanne Gang consisted of members of the RUC, UDR, and UVF, which seems to be right out of Kitson's Gangs and Counter Gangs.

[@ATLmodK]

It certainly appears that the collusion that was behind the Glenanne gang is right out of the manual Kitson devised

[@spudgun4321]

Fantastic podcast, I'm buying that book now.

[@JohnoO_O_]

are you going to review the events and the book called The Guineapigs, written by John McGuffin, about the Internment in 1971?

[@thomasobrien5997]

Excellent

[@denishannan1408]

Excellent.

[@richardkerr6091]

Kincora we were told that we were the three blind mice

[@yabelli-eq2vv]

I don't know

[@ThePhoneBook123ABC]

wasn't it proven that the official IRA had infiltrated and had some influence within the civil rights group in the 60s and were attempting to use it as a entry into politics as their border campaign in the 50s was unsuccessful?. Also wasn't their (and I not entirely sure on this one) that there was elements of the Irish government and political machine down south were supporting the IRA (not sure whether it was the OIRA or PIRA) in the form of financial supports and small arms via some elements of the catholic church acting as intermediaries very early on into the start of the troubles which was quickly stopped.

[@aryandefenseleague8243]

I wonder if Kitson worked with Mossad

[@unusedsub3003]

He would have had a religious/ideological affiliation with Israel.

[@anthonydonlan3140]

The IRA were ' close' to the PLO, and Libya ect so they wouldn't have been doing their thing if not,....

[@anthonymcgills7037]

cleary a dirty war

[@markgordon8681]

The man who made the greatest contribution to peace in Northern Ireland. Should have got the Nobel Peace Prize.

[@unreliablewitness5047]

The female 4 square laundry agent that escaped death Is knowing as Doctor death You could do a podcast about her herself Her dad was top brass military and she was a loose canon She kicked the motorbike helmet off Brian Robinson UVF and shot him in the head

[@dennishbergkamp]

Name?

[@shamrockballs1066]

I wonder does he think Michael Collins' IRA was wrong? The PIRA was only a reaction to the Britishes brutality.

[@IrishSon]

Different times. Different conflicts. It is impossible to compare one with the other. Michael Collins is seen as an Irish Patriot by most. A man who could have delivered a united Ireland if he was not assassinated. When people in Ireland think of the PIRA, they think of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness. These men are seen as terrorists, not patriots. Did the IRA under Collins commit atrocities? Yes, but these are viewed as been necessary in order to achieve Independence. It also helps that no one in Ireland today were alive when these operations took place. The same cannot be said for the atrocities committed by the PIRA on this island and beyond. And what were the PIRA fighting for? If they stuck to protecting their areas from loyalists and British attacks, then maybe they have enjoyed stronger support from people in Ireland. The PIRA did not have a mandate from the people of Ireland to fight for a united Ireland.

[@shamrockballs1066]

@@IrishSon Absolute BS. Both were legitimate and both fighting occupying forces of the British Crown. Its only cowardly southerners that try and sit on their high horse to differentiate the two, the same Irish that turned their backs on their brothers and sisters in the north during partition and during the troubles. The old IRA were no different than the provos, only as you say it was a different part of the 20th century. If the PIRA didn't have the support they could not have opperated. The difference was that the nationalists were well out numbered by their unionist, loyalist and British counterparts and what did the south do? Nothing. Gerry Adams is a well respected statesman, as was Martin McGuinness, which is why President's were at his funeral and they met with statesmen across the world. The hypocrisy from fellow Irishmen is disgusting because you are buying the British propaganda. As for Collins, he's not as big of a hero as you think - the troubles was an extension of the treaty he signed to partition and dividr the island therefore they are to blame for what was to come with the discrimination and degradation of irish Catholics under a brutal regime. Shameful.

[@IrishSon]

@@shamrockballs1066 Michael Collins may not be viewed as a hero in Northern Ireland, but in Ireland he will always be seen as the man who delivered Ireland its independence from the British Empire. The Treaty was the best deal that could be achieved at that time. Any possibility of achieving a United Ireland died when Collins was assassinated. As the PIRA learned, no matter how many people they murdered, they would never achieve a United Ireland.

[@shamrockballs1066]

@@IrishSon What's 'Northern Ireland'? Theres only one Ireland. Your west Brit mentality is showing. Collins didn't deliver Irish independence did he? 6 counties are still under British rule. The treaty was a sell out. Turning their backs on fellow Irish men and women, the same people who helped Collins get the British out of the other 26 counties. Who knows what would have happened if he hadn't of been assassinated and there's a theory it was British intelligence that had him killed, not the anti treaty RA. The PIRA acheived more in the six counties than Collins ever did lol.

[@IrishSon]

@@shamrockballs1066 all this happened 100+ years ago. Time to move on and make the best for everyone who lives in Northern Ireland. Not sure where you heard that Collins was killed by British Intelligence , but then again the British education system was never much good at teaching Irish history. And I have no doubt that the PIRA achieved many things in Northern Ireland. Sinn Fein are sitting in Stormont with Unionist politicians taking instructions on Government policy from Westminster. McGuinness met the Queen and Michelle O’Neill represented Northern Ireland at her funeral. Republicans and Northern Ireland have come along way. Hard to imagine now what all the fuss was about.

[@Ruthfinlay-ks6lo]

Limited hangout.

[@brendanmcnamara1414]

Kitsons cruel mouth and vultures beak for a nose Tells the story of what was to come

[@richardkerr6091]

No one knows that who was in that circle James Callaghan we were told we are three blind mice

[@Paul-hy5kd]

Love too know more about the three blind mice story if possible

[@richardkerr6091]

@@Paul-hy5kd which to know who you are

[@richardkerr6091]

There were three then there were two then there were one

[@terryfoyfoy7926]

All he did was fight fire with fire to quote a well known actor they don't like it up em

[@geoarthur6593]

Another "I have a book"

[@multymedia5320]

kitson should be stripped of his "Sir"

[@michaelmcgrattan6091]

Tis a shame kitson lived to 97 years to much

[@Irishmush]

?

[@barneymagee3285]

An extremely biased view of the recent troubles , significant that he dates the troubles to 66, and the first loyalist attacks , while ignoring Ira murders in every decade prior, this devalues every other comment he made.

[@John-eo4zm]

Liston was not a good man. Nasty.

[@williambuchanan8607]

More blarney

[@rambojp73]

Just don't want to hear the truth, simple!

[@fintonmainz7845]

How low does your self-esteem have to be to be afraid of your history?

[@williambuchanan8607]

You people are so delusional, it wasn't called the dirty war because of the Brits...the Republicans were pretty ruthless, don't forget about the disappeared...they were your own people. Children were deprived of mothers & fathers, you are obviously afraid of your own history !!

[@ATLmodK]

I was given some grief here for talking about Kitson and the British Colonial army’s horrific treatment of Africans, Mau Mau or otherwise, it appears that Kitson convicted himself in his Low Intensity Operation. Not to mention setting up the MRF who unlawfully killed many people. It’s a good thing that the deeds of this group are finally going to be judged in a court of law. Like David Burke, I’m no fan of the violence of the IRA, but people who had nothing to do with the IRA were killed by the MRF.

[@jackietreehorn5561]

​@@ATLmodKhi Kathryn 👋