Franz Liszt - Transcendental Etude No. 12 - Chasse Neige (self taught)

[@Jdd.646]

No way you have only been playing for 2 years… especially being self taught. That is absolutely incredible… amazing.

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

😘

[@thecozytrader00]

the problem with teachers is that they're most of the time envious, especially when you can play hard études as a self taught... I faced it... It's a huge problem because they will probably hold you back saying you need to learn basic pieces, when you truly don't.

[@HO-kb6qc]

übelst geil. man hört auf jeden fall, dass da harte Arbeit hinter steckt. Das verdient echt Respekt

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

Vielen Dank !

[@russian-canadianfamily6895]

insanely surprising that a SELF-TAUGHT pianist can play CHASSE NEIGE, a god-level piece, especially with only 2 years of experience. I'm amazed at just the fact that you didn't break your hands to pieces. I think with a teacher you can become a seriously good pianist

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

Difficulty is pretty subjective :D But yeah I tried with teachers but I broke up with that because of the stress I had to catch up with everything. I mean with sheets and theory and so on…

[@user-bp9zj9xs2y]

I think it's quite impressive to play that with only 2 years of playing the instrument, congratz mate

[@katttttt]

Jedenfalls, ich find das klasse. Deine Begeisterung, die ja vorhanden sein muss, wenn man so etwas spielen möchte. Kurz zu mir vielleicht, ich spiel seit 1 1/2 Jahren. Hatte davor keine klassische Musik gehört, sondern wollte unbedingt Interstellar lernen, was ich auch über Synthesia gemacht hab. Danach bin ich aber auf leichtere Stücke umgestiegen, weil ich die Grundlagen lernen wollte und so hab ich auch Noten gelernt. Ich erzähle das, weil ich glaube, dass wenn man überwiegend diese schwierigen Stücke lernt, dieser Part nicht so einfach sein kann. Wenn man eh mit sowas wie im Fünftonraum anfängt, ist es auch nicht schwer, die Noten sich einzuprägen. Würde ich jetzt aber Chasse neige auf dem Notenblatt sehen, wüsste ich wahrscheinlich immer noch nicht, was jetzt manches davon bedeutet. Bzw das Lesen würde einfach ewig dauern (aber gut, dass würde es auch von der Technik her). Mir fällt auch auf, dass jetzt, wo die Stücke im Allgemeinen etwas fortgeschrittener werden (Waltzer von Chopin o.ä.), ich die leichteren musikalisch besser drauf kriege. Also vielleicht, weil dort die Technik nebensächlich(er) ist und das allgemeine Verständnis größer. Will sagen, liegt etwas nicht an der Grenze des technischen (und im Allgemeinen: vergeht Zeit), wird es auch musikalisch "von selbst" besser. Du meintest auch im anderen Kommentar, dass du Harmonious du soir lernst. Der Höhepunkt zählt noch immer zu meinen Lieblingsmomenten in den ganzen TE. Wenn du Lust hast, dass man sich irgendwie privat connectet, ich bin offen dafür 😅 Btw ich kannte das Video mit Lang Lang, wo er dann plötzlich zur Kamera guckt und ganz erschrocken aussieht - sehr geil😂

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

@@katttttt Ah, hab den zweiten Kommentar fast übersehen.... Mich würde es auch sehr freuen, sich auszutauschen :) Gerade wegen seltenen Themen wie der Hochromantik oder "Klavier spielen mithilfe von Synthesia". Wenn du Instagram hast: roggenroll69 LG Sascha ✌

[@dh5e6drdrhdgsrh92]

Pretty impressive for being self-taught. Some people in the comment section are acting as if you're lying for attention or something. I disagree with their sentiment. Chances are that they're just jealous, but you already knew that. As someone else also mentioned, you should incorporate wrist/arm movement in your playing. Playing just with your fingers produces a different sound compared to playing with some turning in your wrist and elbow. It also makes fingers collapsing less of an issue. One big critique of mine is how rigid your chromatic scales are. At 3:05 after playing the octave, your right-hand pinky seems to start clipping the black keys as you do the rapid chromatic scales. Perhaps you should tuck your pinky in (idk how to define it easily) so the finger doesn't hit the black keys after you play the octave. Just try to relax and relieve tension (you'll have more stamina that way). You'd probably play the scales faster as well (from personal experience). Finally, I think you should try to play the melody on the beat. Oftentimes, when you jump, you play the bass on the beat. Personally, I think it sounds worse that way. I don't know of any other performances that are like yours. Nevertheless, your Chasse-Neige is nice. I think it's time for polishing. That step is always the longest.

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

thank you very very much. I appreciate the critique and I will definitely rework for this piece. A big point is actually that I played this piece in the video without proper warm up tho. It was at school and we had 90 min music as a subject, just like math or geography you know. It was the second time (two different days) I played it in front of my class (around 25 people and the teacher) because a friend of mine wanted to record it professionally after hearing it the first time I played it (like a month ago). It was in the morning and I had only ONE try to play it in front of the camera because our music teacher didnt want to sit there longer and I understand it because the whole class was there (I didnt want them to be there because I wanted my relaxation and my countless tries until I get a perfect video, buuuuut yeah…) To sum up: If I had the chance, I would have played better. And I even asked to play one more time because I knew I could better…. But actually after hearing this, I thought thats its not thaaat bad nevertheless so I uploaded it, even tho its everything else than perfect :D

[@sampletext2054]

Firstly, congratulations on such an incredible performance of such a piece. You put me straight in the snowy apocalyptic world that I'm sure Liszt was also imagining, and played in such a smooth and emotional way that I was never kicked out. But something seems missing from your story. There's so much more information in your technique than anything in a Synthesia video: your form, fingering, finger strength, and clarity are all reminiscent of a professional's, in subtle ways that only a professional would be able to detect and correct to. Things that to someone looking to learn an impressive piece fresh off the start would not find important, but very much are. I hope this doesn't come off as aggressive; if you truly are completely self-taught, I would love to know how you managed to teach yourself such technique and musical understanding, since I would like to pick the piano back up myself. And if you aren't, I would still love to know how you got where you are: such a performance is an incredible feat for any pianist.

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

Big thanks ! I appreciate it very much. if you like we can get in touch….?

[@antotot04]

Bro, can i say it?... You are so freacking GIFTED in classical piano. I've done an high school of classical music and i've played classical guitar for like 8 years and i know friends of mine who have been studying piano for 10/8 years, like me, and they are studying only now these types of musical pieces like Chopin and Liszt etudes. I highly suggest you to take piano seriously and learn it well, because if you are self taught, you don't know how to read notes and you play like this i cannot even immagine what you could be able to do if you receive an higher musical education. Greatings and sorry for my english (is not that great lol)....btw i've followed you on instagram

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

I have to learn so much when we are talking about sheets and music theory in general. It is soo much and for now I dont have enough patience and even time for that unfortunately :/ Thank you very much tho !

[@tiffanyyeahh]

Admire your hard work and passion... Marvelous! Just wondering how many hours you practice a day :o) ?

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

It is and was pretty individual. Sometimes I played for 3 hours, sometimes only 30 mins. There were days when I didnt play. For 1 year (since october 2023), I have played mostly only 1 or 2 times a week because I study electronics engineering 60 km away from home. But when I was for 4-5 months at music school 3 years ago (I began from scratch with sheet music and stopped soon after) I played in my free time before or after lessons with much more enthusiasm on many grand pianos. Most of the time on two different steinway concert pianos - I stayed there sometimes for two sometimes for six hours or so. When the room was available tho. I miss those magical times very much

[@katttttt]

Sprichst du Deutsch, weil in der Videobeschreibung "in our school in Germany" steht? Btw I came from your other comment (Traum piano)

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

@@katttttt Haha jaa

[@Olleg.G]

Hello, Bobo. I/m admiring your playing. You are the great talant! I have a question, what is your practice routine? How many hours/days are you practicing on piano. And what pieces and exercises are you doing? And what advice can you give for all of the beginners, especially self-taught, who wants to learn playing piano but full of doubts to do it or simply don't believe in their great results in future. Thank you for sharing video. With regards, Oleg.

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

Hello Oleg ! Thank you very much and I am glad I got your musical attention ! Of course I will answer the questions, you can ask me any questions you want to ask ! Its my personal hobby and free time activity, I dont have a routine and never had. I play when I want to play and when I have enough time, which I have less since one year. I had my peak in the end of the first year of piano experience. I was at a local musicschool and I played my stuff most of the time on big ass grand pianos. The lessons themselfs werent as motivating as that. I was only like 5 months there tho. There I played even up to 5 hours nonstop. At home I have an epiano (in my liebestraum no 3 video). There the whole stuff started but the hours each day vary very much. I had some days where I completely lost sense for time while playing, and hours and hours flew by. Sometimes I play only one hour in a day or two, sometimes I play only 30 min or three times 10 min in a day, somedays I dont even play for one or 2 days. It depends on mood, time and general opportunity (like NOW I am not at home often, therefore I play much less). One thing said firstly:I cant read complex sheet music, I learn it with synthesia videos. I copy the fingering and memorize it on the keyboard. Then I have one phrase in mind and I can slowly practice this part without video. If I cant remember I watch again, sometimes I slow the video down. Then I create my own interpretation. To play it from memory is a big thing, even while practicing(!!!). Pieces from romantic eras are ment to be played like this. Ironically, it is much easier for a pianist to execute pieces perfectly and to perform them personally (and in front of public). My only exercises I do on the piano are: 1. to play the main techniques from the piece I want to learn without musical context (repetitive) 2. To play passages from pieces (already easy playable passages or not even learned passages) slowly and also faster and when you learn a new passage you should play slowly with extrem caution (just dont do clumsy and avoidable mistakes at the start) 3. to playthrough pieces I already learned

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

I am currently learning Liszts third transcendental etude "paysage" in my free time and I already got the key movement of the whole Piece I think (there are always some keys/switches (mostly technique but also musical)) in pieces and if you get, explore or learn them you will get a much much better understanding of the piece -> you learn it faster. My first piece I ever learned was Rachmaninoffs prelude in c sharp minor. I also played chopin nocturne in c charp minor, the post mortem one, and his etude op 10 no 9. and a prelude of his set. I learned liebestraum no 3 and chasse neige. I I learned the vision etude up to the half of the piece and I am currently working on the third one. I also play clair de lune and prelude op 25. No 5 . Some of erik saties works and one of L. Einaudi. And I learned some cool passages of other genius pieces. My biggest advice is: Listen to the music. Love the music. Try to understand to the music. Especially romantic music is so deep, you should try to understand the composer and feel through the harmonies. If a piece brought you to tears, you will have less problems to learn it.. Cheers man

[@merci9461]

Bravo! Amazing performance considering how long you've played the piano...

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

thank you :))

[@pianoghoul]

Wait...self taught? Thats is impressive

[@thecozytrader00]

How hard you find it to learn? thinking about giving it a go... learned the TC1 for some time and crushed some chopin etudes already

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

@@thecozytrader00 you play with sheets right ? I recommend you to start with the coda of chasse neige firstly. Maybe learn it without the last 10 seconds to spare the energy for the end. But you should practice the cromatic scales and thirds and trills and tremolos slowly, these and other techniques are all in the coda and I think its a great fundament to play the rest of the piece.

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

@@thecozytrader00 Youll see if the piece is handy for you. But I think its fun and you should try it if you like it

[@thecozytrader00]

@@Bobo-pw6bi I've played some Chopin Études myself and Liszt TE1, and I do learn though sheet music... I will give it a go, how long Chasse Neige took you and what where the most hard parts? Gonna pratice the cromatic and third tho, great advice!

[@smoloreo2410]

I want to be cynical, but its not like you're playing perfectly, and as a self-taught pianist myself, this is actually believable progress. Though I'm sure it took a LOT of work. So, well done. Not sure how long you worked on this piece prior to this recording, voicing could use a bit of work, though I'm sure you've fixed that by now. Nicely done.

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

Yeah it was in front of my school class and my hands were pretty cold, and I couldnt warm up before the play, so sometimes it sounds pretty messy yes. But it was professionally recorded thats why I still uploaded it. Im working on other pieces by now, I have to practice some passages to play chasse neige with full sound and picture again

[@theowinckel]

Phrasen hören und auch zu Ende hören - das wäre sicher ganz hilfreich😊 Pedal ruhig länger liegen lassen😊 Öfter Atmen und nicht so gehetzt - ja es ist eine Etüde aber bewusst lyrisch geschrieben 😅 Weiter so! Da steckt viel Potential drin!

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

Vieeelen lieben Dank ! Echt schön von dir ein Kommentar zu sehen, ich habe bereits mehrere Kommentare unter deinen videos verfasst weil ich immer so begeistert war von deinen Ausführungen. Also mit meinem 2. Kanal „BBoyo“… Ich bin zu 100 prozent autoditaktisch auf dem Klavier und habe leider keinen der mir auch professionelles feedback geben kann. Ich würde mich daher sehr sehr sehr über mehr Tipps und mehr Kritik freuen von dir, weil deine Videos mich immer sehr inspirierten, besonders op 25 no 6…. Kann ich irgendwie einen bescheidenen Kontakt zu dir aufnehmen ?

[@theowinckel]

@@Bobo-pw6bi aber klar!

[@idilasci]

ur very stiff. loosen up a lil! i swear it’ll make it sound much better. definitely consider wrist and elbow rotation too, as well as more exaggerated dynamics (piano is very piano and forte is very forte etc)

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

yes you are right, thank you :)

[@TF2Starlight]

"I started with the piano for the first time 2 years ago" complete bullshit lol, playing one of the hardest transcendental etudes without any guidance is impossible to do. whats the point of lying about being self taught?!?!

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

You dont know me ;)

[@TF2Starlight]

@Bobo69 i know what its like. I managed to play the ballade 1 after 4 years being self taught and i recieved the same comments. However, the transcedental etudes are in a completly different league and i know for a fact that its not possible to accomplish it at 2 years with no guidance. Playing this etude requires extremem relaxation which self taught pianists dont learn after 2 years, complete bullshit bye

[@Bobo-pw6bi]

@@TF2Starlight welcome. now you are also such a subjective speculoos biscuit like the people who wrote to you the same as you wrote to me. Doesn't help you much, but it does for me. A laugh, a compliment, more confidence in what I play and a confirmation that I'm good at what I do and others see it as "impossible". Thanks ;)

[@santiagobalbi3798]

​@@TF2Starlight yes I think the same, but I better don't talk about this, because I play the heroic polonaise after 3 years of practice. The etude trascendental is another level to me, I think this is possible to play in 2 years if you use synthesia without technique and expression like this video, all is Forte, no piano no pianissimo, bad usage of pedal and a lot of things to improve.

[@largoallegrorisoluto]

@@TF2Starlight Look at the sheet music for Transcendental etudes. They are difficult but not impossible lol. For this etude the technique is only on broken chords, leaps, and chromatic scales. If you are good at those three it shouldn't be that bad. With that being said everything but the 5th etude is manageable once you figure them out.