Pipes All Over The Place?

[@franciscofragoeiro5229]

I'm a pianist but I LOVE THIS CHANNEL SO MUCH

[@Samanthareneeheart1]

Thank you Fraser for showing this in english at long last lol. I'm sorry it unfortunately deals with that one small pipe that isn't working & that the oboes are so far out of tune, but it was very educational on how this particular organ works. Hopefully the organ builder can get everything fixed for you without having to get the organ tuner out as well.

[@tom7601]

Invaluable information in a understandable format! Thank you from San Diego, California.

[@farahmohammed1963]

Gosh Fraser....please tell me that all of this will NOT be on the exam!!😉 Thank you for showing the innards of such a beloved instrument for all of us!! I’ll have to watch this video a few more times to fully understand your wonderfully educational commentary!🌺

[@Mark_Dyer1]

FRASER: I am so pleased that people, generally, seem to be re-discovering the pipe organ, and the incredible skill of the Organist. On the 1st Night of the Proms, one of the pieces was Janacek's wonderful GLAGOLITIC MASS, which culminates in a magnificent organ solo; although the organ features throughout the Mass. In the Royal Albert Hall, the 'gravitas' the organ provided, in the background, was very apparent. The excellent Scott Brothers have done much to 'popularise' the organ. Last March we were due to hear Olivier Latry playing the organ of the Symphonie de Paris; but the shenanigans at French Customs meant Eurostar advised us (two older men) not to travel. I neither play, nor have any technical expertise; but I just LOVE the rich sound of the organ.

[@channelralph2931]

Lovely piece at the end. Thanks.

[@matthewmillar3804]

Well I don't know if my comments asking for this video made a difference, but it was great to see you post the exact video I asked for! Thank you for your time invested. Maybe you can get a nice interview with the organ builder? :)

[@dolvaran]

An interview would be wonderful - but they might not speak much English. I remember when our school chapel organ was rebuilt back in the 1970s. The huge collection of registration lever switches was replaced with a set of much smaller press-to-make switches. I was amazed at the enormous amount of wire in use. The umbilical connecting the remote console to the organ was about 4 inches thick. I think there was a wire for each combination of stop and key. Now, it has been rebuilt again, and is fully computerised. All that copper replaced by 8 cores of Ethernet cable!

[@georgieleejrs8299]

once again thank you for your service of music and everything you do!! I did the exact thing going in the pipe chamber at Edgefield ; the front of it's from the older one before Moller; inside the chamber is all Moller pipe organ; still has a romantic sound ; I play one service every Sunday at 10am. it's a blast to get the inside of the Organ and I keep watching. thanks again!!

[@AndrewMundellAndrewJMundell]

Very interesting Fraser as always. It's good to have you back looking and sounding well

[@fritzkuhne2055]

its insane how complicated stuff they were able to build like 400 years ago

[@patmeaden]

Fritz Kühne people used to say that before the industrial revolution, the two most complex things were the clock and the pipe organ

[@bobh5087]

Thanks for the very interesting tour. It's always fun to get to explore behind the façade of an organ. And thanks for the enjoyable, and almost calypso-sounding, "Divertissement" ! 👍 ❤️

[@rgarlinyc]

Yeah, astonishing complexity from so long ago! And (unsurprisingly), wonderful music that lifts the spirit! Thank you!

[@terrystrahl6006]

Very Interesting and beautiful music...................... Thanx ))

[@AsteroidTVGaming]

Im starting to learn organ right now, this channel has helped a bunch! Thank you so much Sir

[@AlexanderLenton]

What a fantastic video ! Thankyou for uploading this. Looking forward to the next ones !. ABL

[@Musician-Lee]

Just what I wanted, a good look inside that organ. Really interesting, as always. Thanks!

[@patmeaden]

What is the equipment to the left of the manuals on the console, and what year was the organ built?

[@danielkimble4085]

This was a great look at the workings of your organ, Maestro Gartshore! You even produced the video on a time budget. Top that off with a nice and cheery improvisation and I think this was a smashing success! Thank you for your work, Maestro! I’m glad that you’re bringing organ knowledge to us and sharing a passion that you so clearly have.

[@SteveCaddy]

Super video. Don't apologise for being technical - you're doing it right, if a little rushed. Some cut-aways and diagrams would have helped to explain what is going on. Otherwise I love what you are doing, and I'm sending my organ curious friends in your direction.

[@Em-om6it]

Thank you for making these videos. I'm learning to play the organ and this has certainly helped explain things! Not to mention, your organ playing is truly amazing and has encouraged me to practice more in hopes of one day sounding as good!

[@reticulatedtiger]

Fascinating. Thanks for the behind-the-scenes tour! Love your channel. Keep up the good work!

[@lxdesign1]

Fraser.. Fantastic episode! And I loved the technical bits... I have a small collection of pipes which I was intending to one day ‘display’ on the wall on some sort of custom rack.... they came out of a couple of church’s here in the Toronto area (Canada) where they were discarded after the organ builder had done work replacing and and augmenting the instruments. So I got to pick what I wanted before they were hauled away for scrap.

[@Xaelloss]

Splendid video, as always. It's certainly unusual to see different types of windladen combined in a single organ! Also, if I may suggest, German wikipedia has a great page on Windladen with good illustrations, including the Kegellade mentioned here, so you may just post a link to the article. It would seem that whenever it comes to organs, the most comprehensive information on them would come from Germany!

[@CaesarNeptuneStudios]

Oh wow cool! Already a new video? Amazing!

[@EezeeListen]

Thank you for making this very interesting video. There is so much more to the workings of an organ than I imagined. Very articulate explanation and very knowledgeable and skilful musician.

[@stefanschwarz1232]

Fantastic video! Love from Kyllburg, South-West Germany

[@JTNortel]

LOVE THIS!! Thanks for such an in-depth tour! Just starting to learn the organ myself here in Alexandria, Louisiana US!

[@ignacioperez8358]

You play very beautiful. I can never stop listening to a organ like this one. I would love to play organ none stop for 10 hours and then some. Thank You

[@Rich-on6fe]

If it's 400-odd volts it's probably 3-phase.

[@jenlw8974]

Thanks for the tour, Fraser - I'm nomally to be found at my home digital organ & don't get out much(!) so it's brilliant to see the innards of a real organ 😊 As an aside, my husband (non-organist): 'I love that chap's face'... 😄

[@IslandStone_]

I enjoyed this! Quite interesting. :)

[@peterzweck1763]

Interesting that the organ was built with a slider chest for the swell and a cone chest (looks like a bit of tubular pneumatics going on as well?) for the great. Perhaps an amalgamation of a previous organ? Having enjoyed your wonderful improvisations, I wonder could I request a video with a few basic hints on hymn re-harmonisation. It's something I never learned, and perhaps I'm too old to learn now. It may be a bit too esoteric...but I get the feeling we could all learn a bit of technique from you.

[@FraserGartshore]

Thanks! Yep - the organ is a big of a mishmash from the mechanical point of view. It’s been doctored by a few too many hands over the years for my liking. The original organ in the church was apparently a rather fine 3-manual Baroque instrument. In 1915 a local organ builder turned it into a rather smashing little romantic number and then later it was altered by various others. A general overhaul is on the cards in the near future and I’ll be seeing what I can squeeze out of the diocese to “improve” things!

[@samrodian919]

Peter Zweck you are probably correct that it's an amalgamation in the past of a new Great organ chest being put in and the re- use of a slider soundboard for the swell.. I believe I heard Fraser say the Great was a Kegalade chest but I'm not sure.

[@mpamplona1]

I don't know if it was asked before, but what's the name of the piece in the end of the video? It's so happy and light. Btw, if it's an original composition, kudos Fraser!!

[@FraserGartshore]

Thank you. Once again, it was a quick improvisation for the video! These days you have to be very careful what music you include in videos on KZbin - copyright and all that!

[@groezy]

do you know what kind of switches the keyboard uses?

[@andythebusdriver]

how long is the reaction time between key and pipe?

[@MarkTillotson]

Indeed - and does it vary much and/or cause issues for the organist? Fascinating machinery, thanks for showing us.

[@bobh5087]

The pipe-speech reaction time is quite negligible, seeming almost *instantaneous,* and normally doesn't pose any "issues" whatsoever for the organist. However, there might be a *slight, but noticeable, delay* in pipe-speech with very large *32' Pedal pipes...* just moving a lot of air through the pipe lip/mouth (in Flue pipes) or a vibrating metal reed (in the case of Reed pipes). This lag time might - and *should* - have an effect on the *tempo* the organist decides to play a piece, as these 32' Pedal pipes do take a bit longer to *properly speak & develop tone.*

[@billh3828]

Thank you for posting such an interesting tour of the inner workings. Glad you didn't have a maze of tracker rods to negotiate. 👍

[@susanmazzanti5643]

I notice that lots of the men went right to how it was wired. The Cathederal at Corpus Christi, Texas is a really nice pipe organ with a wonderful sound. It was wonderful singing there except for the pipes being loud at times because they were in the choir loft with us. Some of them were out in the open so the congregation could marvel at them.

[@raphaelelvish2430]

Always been interested of the inner workings of organs. Always wanted to build one

[@AndreR241]

It's pretty amazing, how such a (rather) simple circuit can control such a heavy and big instrument. Do they use data buses in more modern organs? I imagine, that it would be a pain to find a defective strand in those thick cables.

[@SKYBOSS2768]

I have never been inside a pipe organ one day. But I can't complain giving that I have a huge 4/32 wulitzer theater organ

[@SKYBOSS2768]

@Richard Harrold well I don't own it it's in a theater I know I made it sound like I have one that was my bad

[@robertdougherty349]

Classy classic class as usual. :D

[@keithcitizen4855]

there is a fair few "kegelade" cone valve chests in Australian organs, the outside envelope motors rot out in twenty years, cost a few dollars to replace.

[@BigPinkJohn]

Another great video thanks Fraser. Will we ever see you playing on a Theatre organ, maybe the blackpool wurlitzer lol

[@mulhatton]

Is you musical outtro improvised or an actual composition...? It sounds so familiar, but maybe I'm just recognizing a certain chord progression. I LOVE the on beat pause at 19:30... bravissimo! (sehr gut)... and the breath... as if to say... "and, here we go" ❤️🎶🤗 Don't be shy to get too technical, we love seeing the internals of the organs. Are there any organs in the world that are exact twins of each other? Maybe that is a topic for a video. Fraser, to you, and your reliably steady camera operator... I do not know you, neither do you know me, but music makes us family! Just two tiny last words with emmense meaning: Thank you

[@mulhatton]

Oh, just read "improvised music"... sorry, I should have read the video description before commenting 🤗😎

[@Jake_Broer]

How often does the organ builder work on the organ? I've only had ours worked on maybe once since I've been learning music (about 12 years)

[@FraserGartshore]

Doesn’t it get regularly serviced and checked and tuned and so on? All of our instruments get an annual checkup!

[@Jake_Broer]

@@FraserGartshore that's what bothers me. The trumpets and swell oboe and flutes are out of tune. We just had our 125th anniversary, and you'd think it'd get tuned/ worked on for the concert that year. Still works for masses, though. That's at my church. The cathedral where i sing has it worked on regularly.

[@samrodian919]

Jake Broer they should really be tuned three times a year to account for the big religious festivals, Christmas, Easter and one visit in between. That's what used to happen, here in England, though I fear that to save money churches have cut it back to probably once a year or hopefully twice!

[@bryangl1]

Thanks again Fraser. Valiant effort although some simple diagrams may have helped. Purists tend to desparage electro-pneumatic action, insisting that to be significantly inferior to tracker action ─ which of course can be great to play but difficult to actualize in larger organs. The electro-pneumatic action was widely used in cinema (theatre) organs, exemplified by WurliTzer, because of the versatility and speed, plus the necessity for flexibility in console location (also I somehow think it would be difficult to design a tracker action that coped with a console lift!). I became thoroughly familiar with this type of action when extensively participating in the rehousing of a 4/22 Wurli from start to finish. My organ teacher frequently drew on this acquired skill as at lessons I would often be called on to address anything from cyphers, non-sounding pipes to minor tuning problems. WurliTzers are now in my past, but the knowledge gained has proved useful in the more 'classical' world (or have I said all this before?). By the way, your mains supply will be AC as someone pointed out, and probably 220volt. 400volt AC is high-power industrial etc installations. Depending on age, some organs use DC for the blowers (100volt??? - not sure). Actually, I'm curious about the age of this organ. It looks as if the instrument has gone through various stages, and the console may not be original to the pipe--work?? And how do you manage repertoire with 55-note manuals and reduced pedals? (or do you not aim for 'repertoire' in that church?)

[@bryangl1]

@Richard Harrold Thanks Richard, quite correct for modern installations (and from what I saw, that part of the system looks modern). I was rather loose with the 400v reference, which, as you say, is 3-phase and feeds the blower almost invariably. The mains supply from which a transformer etc produces the voltages to feed the switching (which may or may not have been updated to digital) would be ~220v. (There is something lurking in the back of my mind that prompted the peripheral DC reference, but can't recall what it is. Probably confusing with something else.)

[@DeinBestrFreund]

Why are there mixture stops with a fixed combination of ranks instead of letting you register each rank individually?

[@tomws5594]

A lot of organs allow to register each rank individually (it was an italian thing to make possible that but now it's made on a lot of organ). In this case, the mixture is a fixed combination i think because of the style of the organ (and the historical period in which it was built, maybe).

[@orgelfan1675]

Organists won't use them as individual Stops, because they are too high.

[@DeinBestrFreund]

@@orgelfan1675 Too high? Fraser has shown us that there are 1' flutes as individual stops.

[@samrodian919]

DeinFreund ah yes but what you don't know is that at the top end they will "brake back" an octave so the top ten or fifteen notes will sound at the same pitch as the octave below it. It the same for the mixtures in the higher register ranks they may break back twice as the higher keys are played. When you run up the keyboard chromatically with the mixture on its own som can sound rather weird as not all ranks break back on the same note. It's all about the highest pitches and wether they can be heard by the human ear. I think it's about 20,000 Hertz is the maximum a young person can hear. I'm going deaf because of the times I've spent in an organ either tuning or even worse regulating pipe work, especially on some big reeds. You come home half deaf!

[@karlrovey]

The pipes in mixture ranks break back at specified intervals.

[@phillipbaggio7915]

When you go to upgrade the electronics, I would advise getting a new console altogether, complete with Solid State-type controlling as well as 56-note manuals and a 30-note pedalboard. Also, a chimneyed Quintaton?

[@phillipbaggio7915]

@Richard Harrold Right, but I would still keep the electropneumatics for easy maintenance, as well as a solid state combination system. All in the name of reliability. Do you agree?

[@MrKeys57]

Magnificent presentation as always! - and very interesting so se the inner workings - i just wonder how the motor gets its cooling, when in an airtight box? - Greetings, Levi from Finland

[@pomonabill220]

The box isn't air tight, it is sound deadened. You can see the intake filters? when the box is closed up, the intake air passes right over the motor into the blower which is on the far right side, so the air must pass over the motor. Tremendous amount of air flow, so the motor is getting cooled very well.

[@MrKeys57]

@@pomonabill220 thankyou for this answer! - i understand! - and dont have to worry anymore! ;) greets Levi

[@robt2151]

It would be interesting if you could compile some of the actual service music, just to give the complete atmosphere in the church.

[@vaderjo]

Really interesting, it looks like CAT5 wire and, not an ethernet patch panel but a larger phone patch panel. Thank you for getting technical!

[@pinkdispatcher]

That's interesting about how long the keys actually are. That is one of my pet peeves about the cheaper plastic (synthesiser or master keyboard) keys: they have the joints just beyond where the visible part of the keys end, and it is almost impossibly to play the top parts. This is one of the reasons I still like my old DX7 (II-D) keyboard: the keys are sufficiently long to make them very well playable.

[@jslonisch]

Enjoyed the video. Could you please explain why ranks are split between C and C sharp? Obviously they need some way to split but why that particular choice of split? Is it arbitrary?

[@karlrovey]

It's partly for symmetry, partly to reduce the chances of drawing more air than the blower can produce. Another common layout is a 4-chest system that goes by major thirds.

[@coolmorgus]

Thank you for this great video! I would live to hear the congregation singing!

[@samrodian919]

As an ex organ builder I cringe when I see an organist climb into an organ!! And I bet most others do too...............seen too much accidental damage done by careless movement inside the organ, narrow passageways cause knocking pipes ( usually a reed as generally they are the first thing on a slider soundboard) thus getting the regulation of the reed out of whack............... Fraser what did you say about the reeds unable to be tuned coz they needed regulating?.................Lol

[@FraserGartshore]

Haha, thankfully that’s not the case! I have worked on many organs over the years too and know what’s what inside a case and what to avoid banging into. There’s actually a lot of space inside my instrument to move around, so that’s not the problem. We have had a lot of temperature and humidity problems lately and I assume that will have something to do with it, or it’s just dirt trapped in the boots. As the regular annual appointment is imminent, I’m just leaving things to the professionals this time. Normally I’d do it myself. 👍

[@denergodok]

Thanks for sharing Fraser, once again a high quality video! If there's something that could be changed, it would've been nice if the camera was pointing more in the direction where you're pointing and not on you. Sorry, it's not that I don't want to see you, haha! It's just that it would help a lot to see things from a good angle and long enough to actually understand how things hangs together. But nontheless, a really good and informative video!

[@StephenRCar]

How does the combination system above the stops work? It looks fairy straightforward but not sure.

[@Charles-Reardon]

There are 3 preset pistons, the first piston is the main level of stops. The second piston is the bottom row of switches, and the 3rd piston is the top row. They each resemble the same stops, it is just so you don't need to program the presets in to the organ. I think it is quite clever!

[@freddegraaforgel4786]

The strip in the console is not quite a computer. It's Just an connection board. And do you realy have 56 pipes on the windchest? Or did you just count the number of soldering-points wich are almost always the same because these strips aren't custom made. It doesnt make sense to build an 56 pipe organ en only make the console 54 keys. The amount of cost reducing is near zero. And at 15:34... Are you sure that's a quintatone? It looks more like a rohrflöte ;)

[@John_L]

Yes, I am quite sure the only place that will have the 56 key range will be at that patch panel and that would be just a standard part. Everywhere else, especially the pipe ranks, where the real cost is, will be 54. I too think 15:34 looks like a chimney flute (rohrflöte).

[@janovlk]

I would expect a simple multiplexor at least.

[@John_L]

@@janovlk I don't think so, looking at the thickness of the cables going off to the organ. The best you could do would be to multiplex to an 8 x 7 matrix - 15 wires rather than 54 but then you'd have to demultiplex at the organ. Cheaper and more reliable to just use wire. These days you'd just mux into MIDI, as I do on my Hauptwerk house organ, but this is much older technology.

[@freddegraaforgel4786]

@Richard Harrold However, a quintaton has no chimney ;)

[@vincenzopio7382]

In Italians pipe organs the swell pedal is mechanically connected with the swell box.

[@juliangerardcascio1111]

You play GREAT, boy I would also like to hear you play A WURLITZER PIPE ORGAN !! I love both tipes of Organ,s !!

[@henryharesdene4164]

A lot of keyboard clatter - to convince 'us' that it's a tracker organ... (of course it's not...). Regardless always a joy to hear....

[@James_Bowie]

Thanks for the look inside. At 5:19, that's merely an electrical distribution frame. No real analogy with a computer.

[@James_Bowie]

PS: For an electrical keyboard, that one is quite noisy -- certainly as detected by the microphone.

[@FraserGartshore]

That’s the pneumatic action clunking in the background...

[@James_Bowie]

@@FraserGartshore Makes sense, but it sure is loud.

[@bridgediscovery1011]

How many pipes are in the organ

[@FraserGartshore]

too many to count! There are 56 pipes per rank and obviously more in the mixture ranks. I'll work it out one day for you!

[@AndyM9372]

I was picturing the innards being like a old-time telephone exchange - with magnetic relay switches everywhere. Can the organ builder put a wider access door in?!

[@brucetominello7440]

What’s with the noisy action?

[@FraserGartshore]

Pneumatic cone chest - that’s the disadvantage!

[@ukilectric]

Love ya.

[@Charles-Reardon]

The video name is quite clever!

[@MrKmoconne]

Alternating Current. AC voltage.

[@larikipe940]

You are so fabulous!

[@mikejaques6573]

400 volts. Must be three phase or two hots. In the USA the organ console runs on 110v and the blower for medium and small organs would be 240v for blower single phase and 208 three phase. Wanamaker would use 480 3 phase. Must be different in Germany

[@sacalius_papalagius]

could you make a video on your favourite organ composers

[@ThomasB-656]

Oh wow. Those long white strips in the console look like typical telephone exchange busses. Which I guess would make sense, wouldn't it?

[@Mattmanutube]

Pipe organs require constant maintenance and it is expensive.

[@captainnemesis2914]

Ich find´s klass, dass jemand wie ich, der Englisch nicht perfekt beherrscht, alles Gesagte in diesem Video verstanden hat, Danke! PS: Mich würde mal ein Cover oder eine Interpretation von dir zu "Miss Marple´s Theme" sehr viel Freude bereiten.

[@Aidrian1990]

Habe ich was übersehen oder finde ich die deutsche Version nicht?

[@Aidrian1990]

Ah jetzt ist es online

[@JewelBlueIbanez]

“Can’t hear the motor running”, certainly not the case on all organs. I turned on a very old fully pneumatic pipe organ to cover the sound of people going to confession (one of those open European style confessionals, rather than the sound resistant box). Scared the crap out of me it was so loud starting up. Not expecting that at all.

[@praestant8]

That ventil cone valve chest should be replaced with a nice new slider chest. No fuss no muss.

[@FraserGartshore]

Haha! All donations greatly appreciated! The organ is due a bit of a rebuild in the near future - let’s see what’s on the cards!

[@rjspantikow]

Ah friend, as always a great video, thankfully no Cadbury. :)

[@RenzoColameoIrlanda]

:-) 💙

[@jvisser4662]

yay first comment

[@yararaq]

New video? Instalike!

[@rjspantikow]

Ich muss anfangen, auf Deutsch zu schauen. so kann ich mehr lernen. Ich entschuldige mich bei meiner Abneigung gegen Cadbury.