Fred and Ginger, We Shall Never See Their Likes Again. Part 2, Hollywood Before Fred and Ginger

[@GaryBabineau-o8x]

Thanks for an in depth look at Gingers start and a beautifully crafted look at Hollywood in it's wicked first great years. Sheer delight from beginning to end , and an example of what a documentary should look like.

[@johncotter4914]

Thank you for the nice compliments. I should have episode 3, the partnership period with Fred, out soon

[@Rzr543]

Another outstanding episode. The enormous research, time, effort and knowledge needed to create this extremely detailed, informative and historically significant video is incredible. Thank you very much.

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

Thank you very ,uch. It is surely mnot for everyone, it is ot a 15 second short, but I figure there are enough like me out there to enjoy it.

[@ThymeTime81]

I've been missing your videos! I'm glad to see you've got a new one posted. This is on my watch list for when I get time! Thanks for putting these amazing videos together!

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

Thanks.... yeah, it took a LONG time to put this one together, plus I kept on getting new info on the most senstive subject in the video, so I had to do it over, and over, and over. There will be a bunch coming out for a while until I redo the big documenatry episode 3.

[@ThymeTime81]

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 I finished this excellent video, and WOW! Amazing job with this. You are doing a noble work in preserving this history of two incredibly talented stars. I can't wait to see what comes next!

[@JMZ34]

Wow - this is very well done! You can tell how much time you put into this, really nicely done. A few things I’d like to add based on knowing a few people associated with “Classic Hollywood” and having some long conversations over the decades. Mervyn LeRoy definitely dated Ginger Rogers for a good amount of time (don’t know how long exactly, though). He was the one who ended it because he went to NY while Ginger was working in Hollywood and met Doris Warner. He married Doris not long after and had two children, but the marriage didn’t last. It sounds like Ginger was honestly thrown by that and probably a bit hurt, but she moved on very quickly. And I agree that I don’t think they ever got engaged. Fred Astaire used to mingle with LeRoy often at Santa Anita because both men loved horses and racing. From all I know, LeRoy was a great guy with a fun sense of humor - and he knew how to direct a film. Also, I heard that it was a rumor about Ginger having diabetes, and her assistant debunked that years ago. Apparently, her last husband was a piece of work who had a tendency to make things up about each of his wives to make himself look better than what he was. Unfortunately, he was not well respected nor reputable as a source. I personally never heard from anyone who knew Ginger say that she had diabetes. That does not mean she did not, but I have never paid much attention to stories like that going around the web. Finally, I highly recommend the ‘Love Is A Crime’ Vanity Fair podcast done by Joan Bennett and Walter Wanger’s granddaughter Vanessa to get more of the story on what happened Wanger, Bennett, and Jennings Lang. Just wanted to share this bit of what I know.

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

Wow, there is a podcast about the Wagner shooting? Will look into it. In one of my sources, cannot find it right now, it said Ginger was diagnosed with diabetes at around 21. Her assistant says no... OK. I find all the conflicting accounts frustrating. I got LeRoy's bio for info, and he barely mentions Ginger. How could all those newspaper stories say they were enganged when they were not? FRUSTRATING! Thank you so much for the info... you will have to tell me sometime about how you ended up with these connections....

[@JMZ34]

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 Yes, the podcast is called Love Is A Crime, it was done by Vanity Fair a few years back. It covers much more than just the shooting - it's interesting. Enjoy! I think it says on Wikipedia that Ginger Rogers had diabetes. There's so much online that's not true, sometimes it's hard to sift through. But like I said, I never read or heard from a credible source that was true, and I doubt it was. Newspapers back in the day made up all kinds of stories about actors and actresses and directors and producers... Studios wanted people interested in their private lives so they'd go see the movies. Not surprised LeRoy said very little about Ginger as I don't think she played a big role in his life or career. He went on to bigger and better things, and so did she.

[@skolcityblues2132]

Great work again 👍👍👍. Now I am obsessed with finding out everything about Hat Check Girl and why it’s being locked in the vault until 28 ?

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

I can save you the time, I contacted MOMA, they confirmed Disney had the rights and gave em a contact at Disney, since then every department at Disney sends me off to another department...

[@skolcityblues2132]

@ That’s pretty bizarre

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

the studios won't release their grips., but also do not want to try to sell these movies because not enough money, so they just sit there never seen

[@skolcityblues2132]

126:45 Typo … 42 Street Anytime Annie not Diggers .. It happens 😊

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

I musta watched this entire video, over 2 hours long, at least 10 times proofreading, so of course once I post it, NOW I see a misspelling, and you point out another. You get "blind" to what you create doing this...

[@finalfivevoting]

Thank you so much for all your hard work, and the beautiful presentation with just enough detail! I can't wait for Parts 3 to 6!

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

Thank you. I am working on it, but it is very time consuming and I only have so much time to put into this. Right now I am putting up the details for the 10 movies Ginger did solo during their 6 year partnership, then I will do Episode 3.

[@maizie9454]

fun fact - astaires pre hollywood partner went from fred to rudolph valentino on stage. rudolph was a great dancer- pre the sheik- he tangoed in four horsemen and the apolocalyse

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

which partner? I am confused, Valentino died in 1926. Fred had only one partner from when he started at 5 years old until late in his Brodway career, his sister Adele. They did sometimes dance with others, such as in the Broadway run of "Lady, Be Good" Ferd dances with a Kathlene Martyn, who was also in some movies. Any chance you have her name??

[@maizie9454]

@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 fred had lots of different partners in vaudville other than adele. i think it was bonnie glass. i could be wrong ! but it was a short partnership. life on vaudville. i cant find it now...

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

Thanks. I have the same problem, I take all these notes and then cannot find sources. Looking at Valentino's appearances, early on he does some uncredited roles as a dancer, I never knew that, but thruth is I know very little about Valentino. I will keep my eyes out for this, and if you come across further info please let me know.

[@JMZ34]

@@thedriveinmoviehistory5327 It's true Adele was always his main partner, but he did dance with some other females. For example with Marilyn Miller in "Smiles" in the fall of 1930. The show was short-lived but Fred had a huge crush on Marilyn, and it seems Adele gave her brother a hard time over that.

[@thedriveinmoviehistory5327]

@@JMZ34 I recently got Larry Billman's bio-bibliography of Fred, have not really gotten into it yet. The only info I know about Fred's vaudeville and Broadway period is from his bio. This subject, Fred and Ginger, is just so enormous to grasp. I thank the both of you for the interesting info. Why would Adele bother Fred about that?? I just looked up Marilyn Miller, maybe Adele was right, maybe she would have been very bad for Fred.