Fred McGriff's Hall of Fame Case

BK digs into Fred McGriff's career as he takes a crack at a Hall of Fame induction.
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[@brianwilkinson356]

I love BK in these. He's so fired up about this 💯

[@trumpcard4182]

Finally!!!! Congrats to the Crime Dog, we'll deserved. Watching you play was a complete pleasure.

[@luckap79]

Mcgriff had a beautiful swing

[@robertcullen7042]

My all time favorite player.

[@EdRyanGuitar]

The "Crime Dog:" - my all-time favorite player! Congrats, Fred.

[@adamgillespie8508]

Every kid in the late eighties early nineties loves the Crime Dog

[@catholicactionbibleonlyist1813]

Congrats to Fred McGriff

[@Pronzini1]

I have been saying that McGriff deserved to be in a long time ago. So glad that he made it. Congrats to the Crime Dog

[@michaelbaucom4019]

McGriff should have been in on his original eligibility period

[@redchili6927]

False.

[@michaelbaucom4019]

@@redchili6927 submit 3,127 reasons please. Why 3,127? Because 3,128 would be hyperbole to make a point.

[@Troy428492]

Fred McGriff deserved to be in the Hall of Frame.

[@IrishLion-re8bu]

Anyone with an IQ over 100 knows Fred needs and deserves to be in the H.O.F.

[@redchili6927]

Anyone with an IQ over 100 knows he is NOT deserving to be in the Hall fo Fame.

[@lifesights4u]

THANK YOU! Somebody finally said it and said it well. BK not only showed why McGriff deserves the HOF but also laid out why Bonds is not as deserving.

[@themiddleagedgamer3503]

Totally agree McGriff is a Hall of Famer

[@stevengreco7132]

McGriff should of been a first ballet Hall Of Famer!

[@FFKDTP1]

Exactly, a ballet HOF but not baseball

[@KinkESizemore]

They got Chipper and Maddux in on this committee, gotta think he’s going in

[@mitchellhughes5180]

Fred McGriff is a Braves legend

[@mikeimpressionsreviews9831]

I see him going in as a Brave, don’t think it will be the Blue Jays

[@lucmcdowell1167]

I love Brian Kenny calling out Barry Bonds!

[@oldcat41]

Murphy and Mcgriff should be in the Hall

[@mitchellclark5154]

... excellent evidence and argument.

[@evanwakano6127]

Murphy and griff need to get in

[@ramondelossantos695]

Thank you BK - McGriff should have been a Hall of Famer longtime ago!

[@StevenBohnel]

Happy for McGriff (Favorite player was Scott Rolen growing up so I got to see them both inducted last month). But the depressing thing about this clip is the comparison with Barry Bonds, because it shows Bonds would have made it into the Hall without the steroids. He just got caught up in what a lot of other people were doing at the time.

[@llorenstorrespr4409]

iSay it before, Fred is the GOAT.

[@chiarosuburekeni9325]

Crime Dog should get in. He was a beast for the first half of the 90s and consistent throughout.

[@sportsfan3236]

100 percent correct

[@johncassani6780]

Absolutely deserves to be in. How is is that Eddie Murray was a first ballot hall of famer, and McGriff had to go to the veteran’s committee? It is crazy how much the writers value have a monster year or two, over just being consistently good over a long period of time. If he hit 7 more homers, he would certainly have gotten in, and very possibly on the first ballot. They have righted a wrong today.

[@ceciljustice7283]

And with that being said, congratulations to the crime dog, Frederick Stanley McGriff

[@lewislovelord8977]

Players are evaluated by their era and how those stats differentiated between them and their peers. Murray excelled in his era and deserves the recognition. So does McGriff. It's all good.

[@redchili6927]

False.

[@raymond712]

Yes!!!

[@brianschaffer9220]

Newest hall of famer: Fred McGriff!

[@lilxtra6211]

Big braves fan, I personally don't think Andruw Jones is a hall of famer, and I'm pretty iffy on Dale Murphy. McGriff should 100% be a hall of famer, and If he had literally one more career homerun he probably would have been a first ballot guy. Crazy.

[@ceciljustice7283]

Brother I know how you feel about this. But please do some research and compare the men's 7 to 10 year peak and you'll see that Andrew Jones is definitely a Hall of famer

[@ceciljustice7283]

I feel your pain brother. Fred McGriff has just been called by the veterans committee for the Hall of Fame in July, Scott Roland looks like he's going to get in, John smoltz and company said that Todd helton was the most feared here today ever fought so that's a possible chance he can get in, I hope Billy Wagner get the votes that needed but even though Andrew Jones didn't produce the numbers after his prime how can we say that he's not relevant for Cooperstown? 400 plus home runs from ages 19 through 30 and 10 gold gloves. His defense statistics is just as better than Willie mays, Mickey Mantle, and Ken Griffey Jr

[@Amick44]

Agree with your take 100%. I feel Jeff Kent deserves it too.

[@theb3654]

Schilling and Kent deserve to get in too

[@jimknowlton342]

Is the premise of this that Bonds would have made the HOF on his 1986 - 1999 stats, and therefore McGriff also should have? That might be a valid argument to have, but this just seems like a chance to take shots at Bonds.

[@stephenwise2066]

If McGriff just got 7 more homers to reach the 500 club, he would guaranteed to be in.

[@dinoc734]

bonds was the best player in 90s.

[@ceciljustice7283]

I agree. That he was the best player of his era. But this is not about very bus everybody gets an opportunity for Cooperstown Justice. This segment is about Fred McGriff and looking at the comparisons not accumulated stats but average throughout that era Fred McGriff is right up there with Barry bonds. The only difference is bonds was all around five tool player. You compare the batting average, home runs, rbis, ops Plus, ops and slugging. They have similarities. But in the postseason bonds did not produce well he had some real struggles McGriff did not

[@omgDavidGlasper]

Of all time...only 6 tool player...eye at the plate

[@lewislovelord8977]

@@ceciljustice7283 postseason is an incredibly small sample size. Bonds was better period and I love McGriff to death. Those 5 tools are incredibly important to consider. I've never in my life seen a player walked intentionally like Bonds. This is because everyone knew he's too dangerous. Take out those intentional walks and Bonds might have blasted 100.

[@Gemnist98]

JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED FOR THE CRIME DOG

[@ceciljustice7283]

Yes sir, he took a bite out of crime in bittersweet

[@Darkkefka]

A pure hitter with his stats should have been in the HOF a LONG time ago. Better late than never I guess. I'm so happy for the crime dog!

[@bigtilywily69]

Stop disrespecting Barry like that.

[@richarddennis2603]

Okay, so take a long hard look at the McGriff and Bonds comparison. All the people that say it doesn't matter that Bonds took PEDs, judge him on what he achieved, and all that other bollocks. Just look. Bonds would have had a career eerily similar to McGriff, still unbelievably good, but 100% not in the conversation for best player ever. I just don't get the logic of the people who say judge him as is. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As we can clearly see.

[@ceciljustice7283]

Yeah I think Brian Kenny did a really good job of narring that.

[@omgDavidGlasper]

Bonds is by far thee best player ever. Only 6 tool player...eye at the plate. Only 400/400 guy...and he had 500/500. Walked 242 times and still hit .372 lol. Steroids doesnt improve your patience or eye at the plate. You can give anyone all the steroids they want, and they will never ever come close to what Barry Bonds did....ever.

[@ceciljustice7283]

@@omgDavidGlasper Barry bonds was a 288 hitter for his career after 1998. I don't know what happened in the 2000s but he's a guy that never won a batting title in the 90s. If I'm going to look at the guy's career fully I'm going to have to go with skinny Berry bonds back in the late '80s and throughout the 90s. Because that guy there was something else. And at the same thing can be said about Roger Clemens. You already got two of the greatest ball players who should have never been associated with performance enhancing drugs who already had Cooperstown world like numbers

[@richarddennis2603]

@@omgDavidGlasper Half of those walks were intentional you nitwit. Why were people intentionally walking him you ask? Because he could smash the cover off a ball at any time because he was juiced up to his eyeballs. How can you knowingly quote statistics from seasons when you know he was off his face on steroids, it's just totally fake, not only did it inflate his statistics, but it stopped the drop off that every player gets at age ~39. It never would have happened without him cheating taking steroids, not even close, so stop quoting it like it's something he has achieved credibly. Makes absolutely no sense. You know that right?

[@tylerjames329]

@@omgDavidGlasper call me when he hits more hr than whole teams like babe ruth did.

[@tylerjames329]

harold baines is in so why isn't everyone?

[@jumpmansolie]

I don't like Brian Kenny, but he is 100% correct Fred shouldn't been in the hall already. My Braves would not have won that World's Series without him!!!!!

[@ceciljustice7283]

You mean he should have been not shouldn't LOL

[@ChunteringBackwardsForwards]

Crime Dog and Joe Carter imo

[@solacesince99]

BK is such a nerd, really going to compare an elite player of the entirety of his tenure in the show to a career .284 batting average guy....when the league average at that time was like mid .270s, no gold gloves or mvps, the hall of fame is turning into the Hall of decent players

[@ceciljustice7283]

I get it brother it sucks it's bad that this guy didn't win as much. He has silver sluggers, he has All-Star appearances and he has the most important thing of them all a championship and his postseason numbers are not bad at all. But at the end of the day it is a museum whether it's the Hall of very good or the Hall of very great it's still a Hall of Fame

[@kristofferdean8844]

The Bonds comp is wildly cherry picked numbers because that's what Brian Kenny likes to do. He's normally an OPS+ and WAR nerd, but fails to mention them here. Maybe because Bonds averaged 7.7 WAR and a 162 OPS+ per year to McGriff's 3.3 WAR and 139 OPS+. McGriff was never even close to Bonds at any point. That said, McGriff belongs in the HoF!!!! But don't compare him to the greatest player ever! 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@brianwilkinson356]

Bonds played CF though and McGriff played 1st🤷🏻‍♂️ and bonds isn't the best ever

[@kristofferdean8844]

@@brianwilkinson356 Bonds played left field. Go away if you can't even get that correct. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@kristofferdean8844]

@@brianwilkinson356 Bonds also stole bases and has 8 GGs. Sorry you don't know baseball but want to comment.

[@brianwilkinson356]

@@kristofferdean8844 I always get a laugh out of simpletons like yourself that call people wrong when they don't agree with you😒

[@kristofferdean8844]

@@brianwilkinson356 it's not about agreement. It's that you ran your mouth trying to call me out and while doing so were incorrect. Now you wanna complain and whine about being incorrect and being told as such. You're the problem in this world right now. Not only are you objectively wrong, but you're now offended that someone pointed out that you're wrong and now it's their fault. Again, just go away, troll.

[@CharmCityGamer]

Bonds, Rocket, Crime Dog and Palmeiro, they all gotta make it. I mean Bonds is the HR King, ain't the HOF without him. But love this take on McGriff, he's earned it for years!

[@44thenazz]

Bonds is a cheat, plain and simple. If you can't play the game fair, you're a coward and a cheat.

[@timw8646]

hahahahaha mcgrif was not even one of the top player at his position when he played. wow.

[@angad1290]

This is off though bonds was playing platinum glove defence, and was a stolen base threat

[@ceciljustice7283]

Yes he was a better all-around player. If the segment was about very bonds he will be mentioned in this. But they're only comparing his hitting statistics like home runs, rbi's, on base, slugging, on base plus slugging, batting average. The average of the 90s with these statistics shows that Fred McGriff is right up there with Barry bonds. Had it not been for the strike in 1994 which is one of Fred's better years, he was already would have had 500 magical home run number and would have already been in the Hall of Fame.

[@bondsgoat25]

@@ceciljustice7283 to be fair that graphic is misleading, as Barry bonds started out his career as a talent yet raw hitter who mostly contributed as a dominant base runner and out fielder. The stretches BK shows are (1988-2002) for McGriff and (1986-1999) for bonds. From (86-91) bonds as a hitter was comparable, yet slightly inferior to McGriff. (.269 AVG .367 OBP .485 SLG .852 OPS .138 OPS+) - Bonds 86-91 (.278 AVG .391 OBP .522 SLG .913 OPS .152 OPS+) - McGriff 86-91 But from 92 to 99 (the last clean years and the last years of the timeline comparison that BK used bonds not only was superior to McGriff but reached a level that McGriff had never and would never reach. (.304 AVG .441 OBP .618 SLG 1.059 OPS .183 OPS+) - Bonds 92-99 (.292 AVG .376 OBP .514 SLG .891 OPS .132 OPS+) - McGriff 92-99 McGriff had a rare career as he hit the ground running. While he didn’t match the before mentioned peeks of a bonds or even a Griffey, he was much more consistent for his career he started out as a 280/290 guy with a 850-920 OPS and stayed there.. where as bonds was raw and slowly got Better but his stats lacked initially compared to McGriff but in his prime he surpassed him. Because of bonds being inferior in the beginning and superior at the end of the timeline and McGriff be very consistent it makes the two look more even then they truly were. I definitely believe McGriff got snubbed and now is righty-fully in the hall… buts it’s a ball players peak that determines all time greatness which is what sets bonds apart!

[@ceciljustice7283]

@@bondsgoat25 that's the thing I wanted to get cleared up and I'm glad you put this out there thank you.

[@LinkBlade24]

hof

[@omgDavidGlasper]

Bonds is by far thee best player ever. Only 6 tool player...eye at the plate. Only 400/400 guy...and he had 500/500. Walked 242 times and still hit .372 lol. Steroids doesnt improve your patience or eye at the plate. You can give anyone all the steroids they want, and they will never ever come close to what Barry Bonds did....ever.

[@lewislovelord8977]

Thank you. It's inspiring to see people fight for Bonds legacy. No drugs known can produce the body of stats Barry did.

[@tylerjames329]

babe ruth says "hold my beer".

[@KneeDeep2231]

Already saw the thumbnail and laughed. Postseason career shouldn’t have any influence on a HOF vote as not every player gets a chance at the postseason, let alone a long resume of it. McGriff deserves to be in regardless but his postseason resume is irrelevant

[@michaelbaucom4019]

agree, but too many HOF voters have that slant/mindset about the postseason when voting

[@mattcook3291]

i think there should be a postseason boost for outstanding performance but penalizing players for bad postseason performance in small samples is idiotic

[@brianwilkinson356]

@@mattcook3291 or penalizing them for not going to the postseason enough should never happen either 💯🇺🇲

[@mlb5525]

Said no HOF voter ever!

[@michaelbaucom4019]

@@mlb5525 HOF voters go on the MLB network and say they do...numerous baseball columnists( many of them are HOF voters) say they do...or show 3,127 examples of how they don't

[@caliant8809]

Biggie nor Fred is a hall of famer. How are they even on the ballot. Be better baseball. Pablo Sandoval is a no doubt hall of famer if these guys are in. I get why people hate on Barry and Roger. But Schilling isn’t in? Me being a Giants fan.. Bonds was a HOF player -10 years of his career. Timmy Linz, Buster, Pablo, Cain, Madison, Bonds, are HOF. May as well throw Brian Wilson in there. Omar visquel, Benito Santiago, Edgar renteria. Sorry but McGriff was a beneficiary of having David justice, Chipper Jones, Ryan Klesko, ect. I guess all the slightly above average players from the 90s are HOF. Baseball allowed the era and we’re marketing to the long ball. It’s dumb how the mlb have been so hypocritical about the reality of the game in that era. But, seeing Fred McGriff and Craig Biggio in the Hall over Barry Bonds is so ridiculous. It’s not even worth going into the 90s section of the HOF. Head scratcher.

[@ceciljustice7283]

I can see Fred McGriff being a hall of famer. I do have to agree why Craig biggio was in there in the first place, or guys like Jeff bagwell, Mike Piazza, Ivan Rodriguez cuz even though they didn't fail the test, there was whispers about them taking something. David Ortiz is in the Hall of Fame who actually failed a test in the George Mitchell's report and commissioner of baseball gave him a pass. And this is not to knock on this particular player because I believe he's a good person but Harold baines is not Hall of Fame relevant. And let's bring up the fact that the late great Gaylord Perry talks about using KY jelly or doctoring the baseball who happens to be in the Hall of Fame. Some of the most greatest consistent hitters throughout the 1900s that are slapstick racist are in the Hall of Fame including the inaugural 3000 hitter Cap Anson. You have former managers like Joe Torre, Tony larussa, and Bobby Cox and yes I will even add Dusty Baker who's going to be getting in the Hall of Fame pretty soon who had guys on their team with steroids. And let's not forget the man who caused all this problems with the two to three collusions during his term as a commissioner, Allan "Bud" Selig it's in the damn Hall of Fame. To me he should have never been in. Once I saw that he was in in 2017 that means the door should be open to everybody. So if we're going to sit up here in the beta by a player who did not have any kind of connections or ties to steroids or having huge big numbers. Then we need to address everything that baseball has been dealing with over the last 200 plus years oh and I forgot yes Pete Rose needs to be in as well as shoeless Joe Jackson, they have been long overdue and how stupid baseball is to this very day that we got a gambling surface such as DraftKings while Fox is promoting gambling in the game of baseball but you don't have the man who has the most hits of all time, the guy who is third all-time in batting average, the guy who was the all-time home run leader 400/400 and 500/500 as well as seven Mvps, or the guy who is the only man to strike out 20 in a game twice along with seven Cy youngs, or the the guy who has the strikeout walk ratio since the late 1800s. Not in. That's a lot that we all have to sit back and start questioning are we going to have to start pulling people plaque out of Cooperstown.

[@Littlewing1977]

His peers have spoken and they disagreed with you.

[@ceciljustice7283]

@@Littlewing1977 I certainly don't know how mines think. Some who made a decision to not put these guys in and I understand they just now got off the writers ballot. But it's pretty embarrassing not only that there are eight people on this ballot and the only option was just vote for three that don't make no damn sense. I mean if they wanted to go vote for four or five then that would make perfect sense so we wouldn't have to keep continue on The saga of Barry bonds and Roger Clemens not getting into Hall of Fame and yes I will include Raphael palmero

[@johnstrawb3521]

Not particularly close, either. McGriff was a fine player for a long time who is clearly outside the line---and simply not good enough. If he'd hit 7 more HR he still wouldn't have been a Hall of Famer. Good test, though. If an adult really believes McGriff is Hall-worthy, he's not a serious baseball fan. Kenny has to take silly positions to churn out content for MLB, but this borders on embarrassing.

[@dontrellmayfieldjr2868]

Facts

[@ceciljustice7283]

Well to me he passed the eye test of what it means to be a hall of famer. Great Maddox a tremendous 350 game winner and of course his Florida buddy and teammate chipper Jones will tell you about this guy

[@redchili6927]

Agreed 100%.

[@Amick44]

Alan Trammell and now Scott.Rolen. But Fred doesn't belong? Don't get it.

[@redchili6927]

Brian Kenny always has the worst takes.