Fred Seaman: John & Yoko's Marriage Wasn't Great

John Lennon's personal assistant, Fred Seaman, talks to Anna Frawley on Anna's Beatle Hour and gives his take on the relationship between Lennon and Yoko Ono.

[@jjthor407]

I read Mr. Seamans book . Needless to say for any Lennon fan ,like myself you won't be able to put it down . Fred actually in the back of the book gave his phone number . As a lark I called the number and to my surprise got his voicemail ! I left a message and lo and behold he called me back later that afternoon. He asked me what I wanted and I told him I loved his book and he graciously thanked me . Absolute true story and a must read for any Lennon fan .

[@apsomar]

I read it and Seaman was right

[@jjthor407]

@@apsomar Yoko in later years took Mr. Seaman to court and had a gag order placed on him in which he can NEVER AGAIN speak about John and Yoko .

[@tjcint]

@@jjthor407 What does that tell you?

[@timothyd9543]

Did he write it in your specific copy? I don't have that in mine. Maybe you could point me in the right direction as to where in the back of the book? Not seeing it in the inleaf or the index or anywhere. Or maybe you could PM me the number? I'm pretty normal professional and just want to tell him what you told him, that I appreciate the book. Thanks in advance.

[@richardelarmo8379]

The Truth shall always set you free😢

[@christinelee4780]

This really sounds like it was an early example of domestic and spousal abuse. It starts off with Yoko's love bombing of John, which creates an emotional dependency. Withdrawal of love and/or affection, isolating John from family and friends, pimping John to another woman, manipulation, and gaslighting. All from the Wheel of Power and Control

[@Tom-hk6ub]

Pure Narcissism .

[@iluvtennis2909]

This is a perfect description.

[@randybackgammon890]

Early example? It's been going on since time began

[@Gaeliclass]

​​@@Tom-hk6ub Incorrect - worse than that. A covetous sociopath.

[@caseymanuel7199]

He should have never left Cynthia for her. Yoko used his fears and his insecurities from his traumatic childhood to her advantage and that made him follow her like a puppy. Yoko was mean to him and shoved him off to May when she got sick of him and then when he wouldn’t come back she manipulated Paul into helping her get him back. She kept him from Julian. It’s just a damn mess. Cynthia loved John and was so wonderful to him and she loved him when he had nothing. Yoko just used him and would have never even looked his way had he not been famous. It’s so sad. Ugh John! Why!?

[@harrybagley9603]

She's a witch and was his handler (mind control) she also had something to do with his death of he really died

[@joycegibbs5267]

they remind me of those ex-royals in the US.

[@charwest9449]

Best comment!

[@L0REN0R2Z0RR0]

He abused and cheated on Cynthia, far before Yoko. John wasn't a saint and he made his life choices, that should be respected.

[@Historian212]

Nah. According to Cynthia, if she hadn’t gotten pregnant they wouldn’t have married, and eventually they would have drifted apart, as his career took off. The person he should’ve stayed with was May Pang, who was getting him back together with Paul and Ringo, helping him get back to playing music, etc.

[@timsullivan702]

I think John would’ve lived if he stayed in L.A. with May Pang. He made a fatal decision to go back

[@beatles123]

Not so. Chapman would have followed him to the ends of the earth.

[@tricia2276]

He was hypnotizeed...under the guise to help him quit smoking

[@NxDoyle]

Why pick May Pang? The Lost Weekend is ephemera. If you need red letter events to speak to your 'what ifs', John's struggle to remain in the US is huge. Even moreso compared to the May Pang times.

[@asphaltcowboy7567]

Def may was great and they loved each other

[@deborahthunderhawk5569]

@@beatles123 John was planning to leave for Liverpool to visit his relatives in January. I wish he would've left in December and mark Chapman would've gave missed his chance.

[@kevinreily2529]

He should have stayed with MAY PANG. That was his big mistake, because she would never use him the way Yoko did.

[@Jalapablo]

May was way too down-to-earth, pragmatic, sympathetic, obsequious, caring. She'd do whatever he said, which was most likely a big turn-off. He'd had a million girls willing to do that for him all his life. No, it seemed he needed to be abused, debased, controlled, dominated, emasculated by a mythical 'mother superior' figure. His own way of punishing himself, I suppose, for his mom and dad abandoning him as a child. Deep, dark shit.

[@petermcgarrymusicandflying]

yes

[@heyday179]

@@Jalapablo what bull. he didn't love may. he loved yo cuz he had a head on his shoulders.

[@robincoffman6723]

He SHOULD have stayed with his wife Cynthia, she loved him when they were..poor Art Students

[@bbsoni4814]

@@Jalapablo totally agree with you....but it's strange to see how weak he was yet appeared the other way in interviews and stuff

[@callithowiseeit5806]

Johns problem was his ego stopping him listening to Paul, Paul was always right, he was right about the music, he was right about Klein and he was right about Yoko

[@slow-mo_moonbuggy]

The first Paul or the second Paul?

[@Furry67]

@@slow-mo_moonbuggy Clever,

[@mikethebloodthirsty]

@@slow-mo_moonbuggy the fourth one.

[@Jalapablo]

That's right. Paul distrusted Klein from the start but Lennon's ego wouldn't allow him to concede until it was too late. History has shown McCartney to be right. Paul's done very well for himself in the meantime -- he's become the first billionaire musician in the history of entertainment.

[@leeanucha]

totally agree

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

John's former wife Cynthia put it best, John married his Aunt Mimi. Cynthia wanted to be more of a traditional wife, John was used to the domineering type. He loved Cynthia, but I don't think he knew how a traditional marriage was supposed to work and he didn't know how to act in one. Yoko gave him an excuse to go out and play like the child he was at that time. She also provided a way for him to stick it to Paul, who he thought was overbearing and who had taken over leadership of what he always saw as his band. John always talked about the importance of honesty but he put out a lot of BS to support the BS that woman put out there. That had to get to him on some level. She was a spoiled rich kid who played revolutionary for a time and sunk her hooks into John for the money and to latch onto his fame in order to draw attention to herself. That's the bottom line. I know it's soft speculation but based on comments made by people like Cynthia, John's sister Julia, and some of his friends from the old days, John was getting fed up with the whole Yoko trip by the time he was back in the studio. I believe if he had lived and gone on the road to support Double Fantasy that he would have caught the old fire and maybe even given his old bandmate Paul a call about doing something together. Wings was history and Paul was just sort of floating at that time. That of course would have necessitated a cut from that woman but I think it would have provided John the excuse he was already looking for. Can you imagine how cool that would have been? I don't think they would have brought George and Ringo along. George was more than happy being on his own and would have never agreed to it. Ringo without George just would have caused more problems than it was worth. A reunion gig at the Rock and Roll of Fame at their induction would have been something to behold but I think that would have been it as far as a Beatle reunion goes. But Paul was John's true soulmate, at least as far as creating music went. I could see those two just naturally coming back together and creating something wonderful. A fantasy? Sure. Based on reality? Not really, but isn't that what fantasies are? That 20 time loser who murdered John put an end to all that. Still, an old Beatlemaniac is allowed to dream. RIP John. You weren't always right but you were never dull.

[@zakmartin]

I'm sure you know about the night in 1976 when John and Paul seriously considered taking Lorne Michaels up on his offer to have the Beatles perform on Saturday Night Live for $3,000? Of course they would have worked and performed together if John hadn't been murdered. And I don't agree that they wouldn't have "brought George and Ringo along". Ringo is Paul's biggest fan. George was dismissive of the idea of a Beatles reunion in the early 70s, but by the late 70s he had changed his tune (no pun intended) and was no longer ruling out the possibility of working with John, Paul and Ringo again. In fact George and Ringo never stopped working together. And remember, Paul, George and Ringo did work together again in 1995, when they recorded John's "Free As A Bird". All they really needed was a few years' break from the madness and pressure that went with being The Beatles.

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

@@zakmartin I'm not sure George would have gone along with a full blown reunion. Maybe session work but even then, based on what he said on a pretty consistent basis, I think he would have taken a hard pass. And I'm not so sure Paul would have wanted a reunion either. But it's all speculation. You may be right, they may have buried the hatchet at some point and got back together. I did read about the SNL offer. Paul said he and John talked about it, but he made it out to be more a laugh and the whole thing has taken on a bit of a life of its own in subsequent years. It would have been the coolest moment on that show though, maybe ever on TV. Wonder what they might have played? Maybe a verse from How Do You Sleep followed by the bridge from Too Many People, rounding it all out with a rousing chorus of Give Peace a Chance and a mock fight over the check? It would be a very "Beatle" thing to do.

[@dmc4426]

When John got to sing with one of his childhood idols Chuck Berry and Yoko ruined it by screaming. Wouldn't that be embarrassing? Wouldn't he realize he looks like a fool? If a man's a doctor he doesn't let his wife treat his patients, because she's not a doctor. Paul McCartney wife Linda had sung on the choir in high school and played piano, so she had some musically experience. If you want to work with your spouse and they are are a professional, then you need some training. Unless it's music and you have a naturally fantastic voice or can play instruments by ear. Obviously Yoko could do neither. She because his mom in exchange fur wealth and power. Some ppl literally want that in a partner.

[@user-gx2yy1df6f]

That's damm clever, the set you mentioned. @@itinerantpatriot1196

[@modruzvirgil8052]

I believe Fred Seaman!

[@SuperGrimupnorth]

probably 1 of the best ppl to ask on lennon around the mid 70's onwards

[@ledzep310]

I believe Seaman is telling the truth. His story has been absolutely consistent since Day 1. He never struck me as a creative, gifted liar.

[@nonebusiness4488]

he is a thief and an idiot. he had to eat and he would say anything to sell a book. he is known thief. ugly that he stole john's shit

[@Andre.felipe84]

John Lennon wanted his firstborn son Julian to have his diaries, and Yoko prevented Julian from obtaining them, because she didn't want to acknowledge Julian as John's firstborn child, and has said as much by calling Julian a "mistake", and has claimed that Sean is John's "true firstborn", because he was "wanted and planned". Not even over John's dead body would Yoko give Julian personal evidence that John actually did loved him, and fell out of love with Yoko, but stayed with her because he couldn't function as an adult without supervision or personal assistants, and Yoko had a death grip on every aspect of his life. Yoko doesn't want to public to know that her and John's "legendary love" was a facade, a farce, to prop up her failing "art career". Even after all these years Yoko STILL needs John Lennon's fame to help her be relevant.

[@waterfalls5194]

@@Andre.felipe84 __Yeah Andre Felipe. You took the words right out of my mouth. I said the EXACT SAME thing.

[@garyscott2146]

This person was never in a position to know the truth behind J&Y's relationship. He was employed by the couple for barely a year and he worked in the office on the first floor of that building. He only ever had occasion to step into the apartment 2-3 times, and those were very brief stop-ins to deliver something John had requested. There is a very small, very sad group of NY people who had the slightest touches with the LenOno family who then attempted to exploit their "relationship" with the couple after John's death. They are worse than animals. Another example is the neighbor mother of a little girl who Sean had befriended at school - she never once met John and she used to approach Yoko for "a loan" ... John dies, she becomes an expert friend of the couple, lol. Seaman is pathetic.

[@waterfalls5194]

@@garyscott2146 *"This person was never in a position to know about J&Y's relationship."* That's not true. He worked for them the last three years of John's life, and for Yoko about a year and half after John's death. Seaman was telling his friend Robert Rosen (author of the best seller 'Nowhere Man', that blew the myth of J&Y to pieces) everything that was going on at the Dakota with J&Y, and brought Rosen the diaries after John's death so Rosen, a journalist major, could document the diaries and notes to write a book about John Lennon. Rosen said everything Seaman told him was bore out in the diaries. Seaman also claimed that John wanted Julian to have his diaries after his death. Seaman's biggest mistake was not giving Julian those diaries, per John's instructions, because once Yoko got them, Julian NEVER would. Those diaries contradict Yoko's carefully crafted lie extolling the "Love Of The Ages" between herself and John. Lucky for history, the last year of the diaries was never recovered by Yoko, (gone missing-lost to history she hopes) but Lennon fanboy biogragpher Geoffrey Gulliano claims to have seen it, and says Yoko would never want it to be published because it exposes the years of lies, deceptions and the Lennon's sham marriage which became a device for them both to sell whatever bullshit they promulgated to the public for money. It validates the rumors of divorce both wanted.

[@chantelleadlington]

Do you know what I hate? when people tell me I HAVE to love yoko if I'm a fan of John. why should I love a woman who was controlling, manipulative, neurotic narcissist? How can she preach about peace and love when she abandoned her daughter, Yyoko to STALK John to purposely split up the family he had with Cynthia and 5 year old son, Julian. It broke Cynthia's heart because she adored John and lovef him with all her heart, unlike yoko who just wanted his money (well, she didn't stalk him until asking Paul to be with her... Yeah sure yoko, you never knew who the Beatles were before meeting John, did you?), she then stopped John from seeing Julian for 3 YEARS until May Pang re-united them again, she controlled John and manipulated him due to knowing how vulnerable he was, She wouldn't let his family or Julian speak to John on the phone, not even Paul, She wanted nothing to do with Sean and even wanted to abort him, so she made Johm take care of him (until he got some help from a Nanny called Helen in 1977), also when John died she wouldn't let his family go to his memorial and sold Julian's personal belongings, which he had to buy back himself in auctions e.g. post card and letters written to Julian from his dad, she even had a court battle with Julian to stop him from getting the money that was his because of his inheritance. So, how can she preach about loving one another and peace on earth when she couldn't even show it to the people that were supposed to be important to her? Oh also, Contrary to popular belief, Yoko WAS NOT the great love of John's life. We all know John said she was but he lied...because Yoko told him to lie. Yoko was and is all about appearances, perception and spin. John was her puppet, pure and simple. John was under Yoko's thumb and she controlled him with threats and manipulation. She introduced him to, and got him hooked on, heroin, which changed the power dynamic in their toxic relationship to her advantage. From then on, John lived a life enslaved to Yoko. The Lost Weekend period being the only time he was free and somewhat happy with May Pang, being able to see his friends and Paul...until Yoko tricked his gullible self back to her with lies about a smoking cure through hypnosis she claimed worked for her. She lied. They used to mantra "equality" to mask their true relationship, which was: Domination by Yoko, Subjugation by John. She used his fears and insecurities to make him bend to her will. She threatened to kill herself if he visited his son, fearing he'd take up with Cynthia again. She threatened to "abandon" him like his parents to force her will. She would not allow him to perform without her being showcased because she wanted fame equaled to his. She thought she could get that by merging his persona into hers with "John&Yoko" and performing their relationship as conceptual art for the consumption of the public. Instead the fans and public cringed, got bored with and eventually ignored them both as media hogs, constantly whoring for attention. Yoko didn't care as long as she controlled John, the spin, and perception of their relationship. She crafted it as "A Love Of The Ages, in hope that if fans loved John, then they would love her too. Yoko was NOT the love of John Lennon's life.

[@alliekat9989]

Chantelle Adlington completely agree. Yoko is a she devil and was very toxic to John. I have a feeling John may still very well be alive had he stayed with May and far away from Yoko.

[@tezmoore4100]

chantelle that is a very intersting piece and one i have believed and argued myself for a long time...can i ask you where you have attained yr information?

[@Reprodestruxion]

Chantelle Adlington may pang

[@Catajbr]

Nothing heroin addicts do is real or sincere. John turned out to be a Yoko, in that he was a junkie who cared about nothing except getting high on the next hit. Like in the Steppenwolf song, "God damn the pusher man ...." or woman in this case.

[@kalinakimble5660]

I do not get John's choices of partners after Cynthia. Yoko and May Pang.....why would John love women that manipulated him? He might have outgrown Cyn...with all the fame and money and female adoration it had to be tough to be married. If a couple are not growing together through the years it definitely threatens and will ultimately end your marriage. And John was young whe he and Cynthia were married! IMHO men do not start to really mature until they are about 35. I wonder if deep down he didn't regret divorcing his first wife.

[@engineer909]

I read his book, which I understand was a lot of notes and direct entries from John's stolen diary material. That being said, I believe Seaman. It was a remarkable yet terrible time for John. Things could've been so much different...

[@joannross8412]

Yes his book was hard to put that book down...

[@patriciaeddy7629]

And, don't forget this,John was going pretty much blind and losing his confidence by 1971.

[@marthamagee2055]

WOW. Now I know why my gut goes dark whenever I hear her name mentioned.

[@bethelight5613]

Me too.

[@michaelberthelot3594]

If you listen to Double Fantasy without the blinders on, and in light of Yoko moving Sam Havadtoy into her apartment immediately after John's murder, you will see that John was seeking to revitalize his failing marriage. That's what Starting Over was really about. Then there's "I'm Loosing You," and Yoko's "I'm Moving On."

[@Pharoset]

"Losing," not "Loosing."

[@edithfox1295]

I heard she was doing a lot of spells even his first wife wondered why he was different

[@TheContingencyPlan]

She was his handler. MK-Ultra/Tavistock handler.

[@bakerstreetinvestigation2834]

She was an excellent golddigger too. But I won't comment on that.

[@raymeedc]

~ John was looking for the Mother figure he lost too early in his life ~ Yoko was looking for a guy looking for a Mother figure ~

[@joannedestefano6160]

she controlled John...that was obvious

[@jaiguru8487]

Someone bloody had to!

[@alwaysgreatusa223]

He wanted to be controlled by her... that is obvious !

[@rorog5892]

Sad life for John

[@gerrydooley951]

we are never going to know the truth of their relationship no matter how many people come forth and tell their story.

[@fliegeroh]

Did John see Yoko as his "lost mother?" Did he become "her obedient son?" I'm no psychologist but it looks like that's what happened.

[@johnsain]

He called her mother even before they had a child together.

[@callithowiseeit5806]

John felt at home with what was familiar, Oliver biscuits, his school tie, a dominating female (to replicate Mimi), also he didn't like responsibility, least of all paperwork, deffering the business to Yoko he inadvertently became her prisoner, I think her having all the power was the price he thought worth paying for - in his mind - his business being in the hands of the one person who wouldn't fuck him over, looks like he was sorely mistaken

[@hannahg8439]

Right. You're no psychologist indeed.

[@urbaniteurbanizer1612]

@@callithowiseeit5806 True, he saw Mimi in Yoko who could handle him right. It's interesting that during the time when he cut off his relationships with his friends and family, the only relative he kept in touch with was Mimi whom he called every week without fail. The last time John spoke to Mimi was 2 days before he died.

[@kbchaffin53]

Yes.

[@maccalex]

John was going to New Orleans to record with Paul (Venus and Mars) in 75. Yoko stopped that. Then in late 80 John and Paul were talking and were going to record in early 81. In fact, John should not have been in New York the day he was shot. He was supposed to be in L.A. working on Ringo's album with Paul.

[@alinedehors8438]

The only one John missed all his life was Paul .. And he married Yoko only because Paul married Linda ..he was jealous .. They both loved each other and would surely be together for music . John s death was terrible

[@shuroom57]

Not to forget the night Paul was at the Dakota, watching Saturday Night Live, playing guitars, when Lorne Michaels made that live offer to the Beatles to come down to NBC and play on the show. J and P were giddily considering taking their guitars down there straight away. Then, guess who walked in.

[@lorrainevitolo9451]

She’s into other worldly things and She knew exactly what she was doing when she showed up in London and don’t believe otherwise. I tend to believe the ppl who were there.

[@martinreynolds1]

Some have suggested that she had sociopathic tendencies........

[@oldskoolfool141]

If you know anything about Lennon you'd know whatever he threw himself into he would eventually tire of - renounce - then dismiss from his life entirely, Yoko was no exception to that, she lucked out big time that he died before the inevitable

[@bethelight5613]

No...she was sick of him & chasing some other guy who had zero interest in her.

[@FNAFEDITS171]

Great point, I agree!!

[@thomaspicone8837]

So. 2. Sam's?! Green. And. Havitoy?

[@charwest9449]

It's true John was likely tired of Yoko. But luck? Or careful planning. John was murdered mere minutes after he finished Ono's songs, and mere weeks before his planned UK trip with Sean to meet his UK relatives and renew contacts, leaving Ono behind, perhaps for good. Gone her lucrative position as "the love of his life". Yesterday's news. And flawed. That would never do. Its rumored John was even going to record with some of the Beatles -- Paul, Ringo. So that "lucky" window of opportunity was tiny. And waddayaknow? Boom. Achieved. This Yoko-style street theater drama with a Holden Caulfeld prop could have been planned well in advance awaiting the perfect moment for activation. In July1978 MDC "just happened" to be in Japan at the same time as Yoko and John. Yoko had whisked them all off to Japan to impress her parents with Johns wealth, staying in the Presidential suite in order to ensure Sean's inheritance? But why did she rush there by July when her parents were out of town until Aug/Sept? Coincidentally MDC was there in July, on an easterly Yoko-style trip planned by his Japanese travel agent. And how did this poor young student pay for his 1980 travel? Why, buying and selling artwork of course, Yoko-style. After his trip MDC returned to Hawaii. After John's trip, she sent him to Hawaii. Ah, so many coincidences.

[@mikehein4065]

Yoko convinced John he could walk around the streets of New York, like “regular people”. We all know how THAT ended. So SHE got all his money and future royalties!

[@matildaharden1064]

Mike Hein he was killed at his front door and not on the street

[@Allan-et5ig]

That's what my ex suggested; that Yoko encouraged him to float around in New York (on foot) in 1980 when New York simply was NOT a safe place...and in fact the police told him it was not a safe place (in that era). ...Certainly not somebody setting out to kill her husband, but reckless disregard didn't seem to bother her... at least that was the opinion of my ex...

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

@@matildaharden1064 he was coming into his building

[@waterfalls5194]

@@Allan-et5ig Yoko hired bodyguards *after* The Lennon Family *received death threats* in 1979 & 1980, confirmed as a serious threat by NYPD and FBI. She fired them shortly before John's murder, clashing with the security head because she didn't want to heed his advice, reportedly saying: "I'm trying to sell records!" Plus she refused to hire bodyguards for traveling Julian, *[a Lennon family member last time I checked]* when he came to pay last respects to his gunned down, long absentee father, who was cremated before either Julian or Sean could view John's body as both boys requested. Nowadays Yoko claims she *"Still fears MDC would try & 'finish the job' on herself, Sean...or "someone else"* if paroled. Strange she didn't think Julian qualified as family or as "someone else that needed protection" at that time, only expressing concern decades later as an *"image conscious manipulator"* creating her own *deceiving mythology as a "humanitarian".* Very revealing IMO.

[@Allan-et5ig]

@@waterfalls5194 Thanks for this deeply detailed reply - ta very much! Yeah, it seems like my ex, Michelle was right based on your detailed information. I remember seeing Lennon on Tomorrow show on youtube telling host "these days I only get 15" (could have been 50) "requests for autographs a day " and host Tom said "15" (or 50) more than I get. Waterfalls; do you think had Lennon lived he would have returned to England for a grand holiday in 81' as he suggested? Gotten a divorce? Good night and thanks!

[@charlesbunch8383]

Excellent interview!

[@relicofgold]

Read Seaman's book. It's so right on, verified by John's journals and the book by Yoko's tarot reader. Yoko was just as bad as reported, even worse. She was (is) a horrible human being, manipulative to the max, unfaithful, dishonest, a real user. When they brought her John's ashes she said "Put it under the bed"!!! And there was no observable mourning. A horrible woman who didn't deserve the great artist. But he chose her and stayed with her, so it's on him unfortunately. She even reduced security in 1980 when they were making DOUBLE FANTASY so much so that the bodyguard resigned, citing that he didn't want to be responsible for the death of the Lennon's. She even publicized, in detail, their daily schedule! And yes, after the bodyguard resigned, that's when Chapman murdered Lennon! So dam sad.

[@janicenordstrom6154]

Yoko is hideous!!

[@dsoule4902]

That is effed up. She & Elvis' exWife are real gems (not)

[@beatlejim64]

As a MASSIVE Lennon/Beatles fan since I was a kid in 1964...I had a chance to hang out with Fred for an afternoon in NY...I picked his brain on Lennon and what it was like to work for him...he was very nice..open...and it was a day I'll never forget!!!

[@gardensofthegods]

Can you tell us anything that he revealed to you

[@pestbsn]

A lot of people claim Paul took over the Beatles when it was actually John's group. Yes, John stared the group, but Brian Epstein ran the group as their leader. Once Brian died, John didn't want the responsibility and abdicated his role as leader. Paul stepped up to the plate just like he'd done when Stu left the group, and both John and George flatly refused to play bass. In any case, Paul didn't push his way into the leader role. Once John abdicated his role, Paul simply filled it. In the Get Back Documentary, during the flower pot discussion, Paul told John multiple times that John was the leader. Yet, John still didn't step up. Not until he told them he wanted a divorce, and he was breaking up the band. Yes, Paul wanted Eastman instead of Klein. Bad idea. But it wouldn't have mattered if Paul would have backed down and asked for someone else they all could agree on. John made it clear that he was signing with Klein no matter what. In the documentary, we see when John comes into the studio already fanboying over Klein after he met him. Klein had agreed to promote Yoko. And John gushed that Klein knew John better than he knew himself. Klein had done his homework before meeting John. People who knew Klein said that's what he'd do before approaching a band he wanted to manage. He'd know everything about them, including what buttons to push. It's been well documented that Klein sat down with John and went through the entire Lennon/McCartney catalog and told John what parts he had written. Ultimately, he had made it seem as if Paul's contributions were insignificant. John was the genius of the group. That's why John went on interviews saying he'd written 65-75% (depending on which interview you saw) of Eleanor Rigby. Klein had him believing it. Although John's friend from childhood, Pete Shotten, who was there and almost always took John's side by default, said John's contribution was "practically nil." Paul isn't perfect by any means. His memory isn't always accurate, and he has his own opinions, but some of the revisionism he's accused of isn't fair. It's not John he's always correcting the record against. It's Klein and the BS he had John believing. As for Klein, yes, he made them money at the beginning, but by the end, the only pockets he was filling with money was his own. Klein actually sued John, George, and Ringo and won a huge settlement. In an interview I read recently from George, he said he was glad Paul had sued them because it tied up their assets, and Klein couldn't touch that money. As for Yoko, we know she lied about not knowing anything about the Beatles or John before she met him. Some also call people a misogynist if they don't like Yoko. When Cynthia was out of town, Yoko moved in with John. Slept in John and Cynthia's bed. Knew when Cynthia came home, that's what she'd come home to. How much it would hurt Cynthia and Julian to find out that way. And she didn't care that another woman would be put in that position. To me, Yoko is the misogynist. Any other woman would have cared enough to tell John he had to tell Cynthia he wanted a divorce and split up with her before moving in. Her plan to have May Pang date John backfired badly. John fell in love with May. She facilitated a relationship with John and Julian, as well as John and Paul. John was actually thinking about joining Paul and Linda when Paul and Wings were recording an album in New Orleans. It's not just May who has said this. Art Garfunkel also said in a KZbin interview that John talked about it, too. But it's been well established that Yoko was into astrology, numerology, tarot card readings, and readings from mystics. That's how she controlled John and the choices he made. He had to come back to her instead of May because one or more of her mystical readings told her that, be it from the tarot cards or the stars, numerology, or mystical warnings. They told her bad things would happen if he went to work with Paul, so even though he'd told May he was going to, he took Yoko's warnings seriously, and it never happened. She ran their business and their lives that way. Told John when it was a good day to record and when it wasn't. When the Beatles were in turmoil, she said - and the audio is available - that if Paul were a woman, she'd consider him as serious competition. Even though Paul wasn't a woman, Yoko was worried enough that she did everything she could to break up not only their partnership but their friendship. Klein was her willing partner in this endeavor. Although, to be fair, with them growing apart already and the friction between John and Paul regarding Klein, it wasn't that difficult. But that wasn't enough. They didn't just want to break them up, they wanted to destroy Paul. Including his reputation, his contributions to the Beatles, and his solo career. Besides Yoko and Klein, they found a willing accomplice in Jan Wenner and his interview with John and Yoko. An interview that John later admitted that he'd lied and retracted a large amount of what he'd said. But Wenner hated Paul so much that he made their music critic change his positive review of McCartney to a negative review. Which paved the way for other critics to follow suit. In How Do You Sleep, it's been documented that both Klein and Yoko were gleefully adding to the lyrics. Ringo finally told them that was enough and walked out. And, yes, I know Paul started it with Too Many People. Bad Paul. But that little swat did not deserve the sledge hammer response from John. Yoko said later, *If you can believe her*, and I do with this: John went through every song on Paul's albums looking for any references to him. He actually thought the song Paul wrote about/to Linda's ex-husband was about him. Eventually, they made up, using their music just as they had fought. As a fan, I was grateful. I guess Yoko's tarot cards or the stars lined up giving John permission to make nice. As for the Hall of Fame, even though they were still embroiled in lawsuits, I think Paul was wrong to not show up when the Beatles were inducted. To me, it was a childish temper tantrum. It just made him look bad, and I think George handled it gracefully.

[@clownnookie]

Jesus. I wish John lived AND divorced Yoko AND reunited with Beatles.

[@judeforrester6641]

clownnookie that last one never would've, he was way too proud

[@chantelleadlington]

Jack Forrester Actually he DID want to re-unite with The Beatles and he WAS actually going to divorce yoko and go back to England with Sean. Just a shame he got shot.

[@MaccaLives]

John had been talking about reuniting musically with Paul since 1973. In the late seventies, John and Paul both added clauses to their recording contracts which basically meant they could ditch their respective labels the very moment they decided to do a joint project, which they actually had plans for. John had secured the Beatles name, which was going to be sold until he prevented it, stating he had plans to record music under that name. So, here we have John and Paul who are taking legal steps to reunite as the Beatles. Ringo probably would've been happy to join them, since he had already worked with them on several occasions and was close friends with both. George and John weren't speaking and we don't know if John would have wanted to include George, nor if George would have wanted to do a Beatles project in the eighties. But either way, things were happening right until John's murder put an end to all the plans.

[@jasonpalacios1363]

Actually had John lived past the night he was murdered,there would have been a possibility that what you wrote in your comment would have been true.

[@mattguzda853]

clownnookie the Beatles ran their course tho. ya know they were young lads grow in up together but can u imagine what it would be like living together with some high school friends? you grow up and move on. they mighta made an album or 2(or only 1) but why Wha cha Gunna do

[@MrTee-hw7mp]

Fantastic book. A definite must read for any Lennon fan.

[@misterknightowlandco]

She was a handler. Not a wife.

[@AndySalinger33]

John had handlers his entire life. From aunt Mimi, to Brian Epstein, to Mal Evans, May Pang, and ultimately Yoko Ono. Mike Williams has researched this thoroughly. Anyone with a truly open mind would be well-served by checking out Mike’s research and presentations. Deep, deep dives into these topics.

[@robertlivingstone3364]

Mike a a con artist pushing that ridiculous Paul is Dead nonsense.

[@puckf17]

Later in life Paul got closer to Yoko attended key events- I suspect they were in the same club in which she has a fairly high position. Handler yes. Williams is spot on in many areas. Except when comparing photos most ppl in the PID community are in denial of what Paul McCartney really looked like. Tho there are tons of photos from Hamburg & Cavern to look at.

[@AndySalinger33]

@@puckf17 you raise some excellent points. It’s always nice to encounter a free thinker. Yes, they’re in the same club. 😉 This entire narrative of the fabs’ career is absolutely, verifiably a lie. Anyone who still, at this late stage, believes the official EMI/Apple narrative is simply daft.

[@robertlivingstone3364]

@@puckf17 Anyone who believes Paul was literally replaced is mentally ill, stupid or selling gibberish.

[@MrThedonhead]

Mike Williams? Isn't he that man with mental illness? And thinks Paul is dead?

[@deborahthunderhawk5569]

I think if John stayed in England, he would've lived. He left England because of yoko

[@deborahthunderhawk5569]

@George Martin yes! I think if he wouldn't have been with Yoko, he would be alive. He was planning to go back to Liverpool in the new year of 1981 and have a family reunion at his Aunt Nanny's house with his mom's side of the family, the Stanley's. I wish he would have went sooner. He said, it was about time for him to take care of his family in England.

[@loosilu]

She separated him from his family and friends. Classic abuser.

[@TheAxelina]

Thank you for the credit.

[@charleshawtrey5074]

No problem, Anna. Great show!

[@1960taylor]

Sad....John married a real C

[@blacquesjacques7239]

John was a c himself .

[@modruzvirgil8052]

are you normal?

[@avdreader1]

John wasn't the most likable Beatle by a long shot. I thought he was the cruelest Beatle. Referring to handicapped people who liked the Beatles as cripples. I am a handicapped guy who always loved the Beatles. Thanks a lot John.

[@avdreader1]

You're right.

[@austinskaggs4184]

Y’know after listening to this, it answers my questions about Johnny’s song “woman”. I always thought the lyrics were a bit much. “after all, im forever in your debt” “please remember my life is in your hands” She did have him under control. Manipulated his emotions etc. Such a negative, that’s right NEGATIVE influence on him. Rotten witch

[@samyoung3592]

Yes agreed, but John allowed this witch to control him. Until it was evidently too late to escape.

[@wms72]

After she gave birth, she put the afterbirth in the freezer, intending to eat it. But it disappeared, reportedly. The author hints that John threw it away.

[@michaelfleming40]

Ugh!!! Really Yoko???

[@MECHINEA]

Maybe when Yoko passes someone will talk the truth about a great many things !

[@cindienolin564]

Only thing on that...it would hurt Sean.

[@jv-ep2tc]

@@cindienolin564 everyone passes eventually so he is not wishing something that would otherwise not happen. i've heard that in the future we may learn more about John and Paul's relationship.

[@pfeilsusan]

Sam Havadtoy may write a book. He lived with Yoko for nearly 20 years. He was gay but left his partner to live with Yoko and helped raise Sean.

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

@@cindienolin564 yes, but poor Julian

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

@@jv-ep2tc did you see the movie about them?

[@bbsoni4814]

McCartney did 2 mistakes...yoko went to Paul's house in London in the 60's and HE sent her to john's (Paul told Howard Stern) and then in 1975, got them back together (lost week-end)....wonder how he feels about it today

[@bethelight5613]

I honestly believe Paul was jealous of John

[@alinedehors8438]

@@bethelight5613 no John was jealous of paul who maried Linda and was happy with her

[@loosilu]

@@bethelight5613 John got married 8 days after Paul. John was jealous.

[@squorly]

@@bethelight5613 yes, Paul has done some terrible things because of his jealousy. John's life was going great with May and he was working.

[@rocktober1327]

The door man behind John's right shoulder sneaking in the picture with a smile, priceless.

[@RichardMNixon-zh6uz]

Put it to you this way. He'd still be with us if he wasn't with Yoko. That's a fact.

[@christopher9152]

thief or not, most of this sounds very believable and has been seconded by some others who knew them.

[@MeanMrMayo]

Anon Sequitur - And it's also been denied by others who knew them, as well.

[@andreiacarlini1024]

@@MeanMrMayo That's a lie. Everyone in John's inner circle said that Yoko was manipulative, controlled him, and that she kept John away from friends and family. Everyone in John's inner circle said that John changed for the worse after meeting her. And these people were eyewitnesses to the facts, like Tonny Bramwell, John's boyhood friend from Liverpool and roadie of the Beatles, Peter Bronw, Fred Seaman, May Pang, Cyntia Lennon, Julia Baird, Lennon's sister, and finally the other Beatles, who at the time said Yoko was a bad influence. So Why would everyone be wrong and Yoko right ?? Cynthia aconfirmed much of the information described by Fred Seaman in her book, at 10:00: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipnIdIh9q9KlZ7s Julia Baird, Lennon's sister also confirmed much of the information and told that Yoko started to separate John off his family. See in the minute 52:00 : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpqWl5p_eMmknas

[@loosilu]

@@MeanMrMayo Mostly it has been cinformed by people who knew them. Everyone who knew them, including their neighbors, thought they were horrible and toxic together. The producer of Double Fantasy said exactly the same.

[@gladyssellar6408]

I think she hypnotist John ,, several times over there relationships

[@ktkee7161]

Lennon was bored by Cynthia, his first wife, but I can't see what was interesting about Yoko. How he couldn't see through her was weird.

[@chantelleadlington]

KT Kee he was actually planning to go back to Cynthia

[@ktkee7161]

I've never seen that said anywhere, it's obvious nonsense.

[@Suncerie992]

Chantelle Adlington I heard that too about him getting back with Cynthia!

[@Catajbr]

Heroin.

[@kalinakimble5660]

She knew his vulnerabilities and played him like a fiddle...but, in all fairness, John wanted a child and she worked very hard at getting pregnant and carrying it to term, so, I dunno.

[@mikemchugh3073]

Find Fred''s Book if you can on all this. It's an inside look at a very important time of John's life post Beatles.

[@roberthuges6783]

A very good book!

[@odietamo9376]

Very interesting conversation

[@drummer78]

I wish he stayed with May as I think the Lost Weekend era is overblown. John was really only drinking/drugging heavily from Fall of 73 to the time of of his drunken “Kotex” incident in March of 74. After that, he was extremely productive and was very social. May was very important for all that.

[@waterfalls5194]

The 'Lost Weekend' has been portrayed as John being wild, drugging and drunken for 18 months. May Pang said it wasn't like that. Yoko wants the world to think John was just falling apart without her. And that SHE ALONE... saved him.

[@historylover2]

Where would Yoko be if John had gone through with divorcing her?

[@philblane5752]

John needed a woman who could boss him around the way Mimi did and do drugs with him. Cynthia would do neither.

[@Colsoloact-po9wv]

I tend to believe Fred Seaman to be honest...he knew what was going on and was privvy to alot of things going on there at The Dakota. Yoko was a manipulative person, manipulated John out of Cynthia and Julian's life. The audacity of just plonking herself into the car that day in between Cynthia and John.....around the White Album period.....but unfortunately Cynthia was too nice a person and didn't throw her out of the car. I heard another tale of John relative (a cousin) from the north of England who said John was trying to get away from Yoko's controlling ways but she put a stop to that! One thing is true Yoko was a very clever and devious person.....not one to mess with! John didn't want to mess with her either as tough as he seemed!

[@andreiacarlini1024]

Fred Seaman's book has been confirmed by several other books, in particular by DAKOTA DAYS: The true story of John, written by John Green. John Green was the tarot reader for John and Yoko and closed friend in the last 5 years of John’s life. The book quotes Yoko extensively and the quotes are based on his taped conversations with her. The book addresses areas of John's and Yoko's lives -- Yoko's outrageous addiction to superstition, Lennon's depression in the mid-to-late 1970s, etc. -- that Lennon worshippers like you don't want anyone to know about. In fact, Dakota Days is a very good and extremely readable book which fully exposes Yoko's craziness, some of the problems that plagued the Lennons' marriage, and the creative impotence that tormented Lennon in the late 1970s.

[@shena1256]

He keeps interrupting her the whole interview

[@jimmcguy5511]

It's not easy being married to anyone. Those of us who are married struggle with it because we love our partner. No one can ever judge another persons marriage. Do you think it was easy being married to the most iconic rock star of the 1960's and 70's?

[@antonyshannon2276]

Bollocks

[@alivepoweryoga6609]

John was always my favorite, I am sure John gave Yoko a difficult time too. He grew up as an only child , probably very spoiled like most only children. We have ALL had a difficult childhood, so that is no excuse for bad behavior. Yoko had money of her own when he met her, convenient for him when the Beatles were trying to settle on their pay out. People want to blame Yoko for everything. Just like Will Smith slapping the host at the oscars... Instead holding Wil Smith responsible for his own actions, people blamed HIS WIFE !

[@historylover2]

For $2,000,000/ month, every month?

[@sejrec56]

@@alivepoweryoga6609 will Smith and his wife are both to blame!!

[@nursevickis]

❤

[@irvingr.fatback886]

We didn’t land on the moon. The moon landed on us!

[@SeltaebEht]

Oh! What a surprise hearing Anna Frawley here :D

[@robertoponce8077]

Seaman and Robert Rosen books about thr last days of John are amazing, though hard to digest for Beatles fans.

[@honeylove3726]

REPULSIVE and horrible, she YOKOED JL life and wanted only his fame. Cynthia loved him and raised Julian to be everything that JL could never be. Yoko is hated by everyone.

[@jaredbond7908]

That's why John chose her. She was his middle finger to all of you.

[@heyday179]

ur stupid. i love yoko many people do especially for her work as a peace activist

[@hannahhaines2351]

as much as john and Cynthia drifted apart over the years i still think that he should have stayed with her. all the poor woman ever did was love him until both their ends. their love story is so fascinating simply because of how it all happened and who they were at the time. the only good thing yoko gave us out of her relationship with john was 'imagine'. everything else she did to him and his family says it all. she completely shut john off from everyone even his own family to the point were Sean doesn't even know them, but saying that its not like he gives a shit he's old enough and it not like they dont know who he is. but i think over all if you want to see how shit yoko was, go to Lennon's death. the night Lennon died she had a man upstairs i the apartment and she didn't care at all. she had johns body cremated within hours of his death to the point were nobody but she could say 'bye' to him and now we have john being blamed for jullian's life. not defending john but im saying that she was the reason why Julian didnt have kids and also had a shit life it wasn't all john. johns life when he was living with Cynthia was a tornado they couldnt stand still because it was beatlemainia and then when everything began to calm down and john was back at home, yoko came crawling through the sheets and fucked everything up

[@lhu8891]

Cynthia was partly responsible for john not having a relationship with julian john would often want Julian to go to america and she wouldn't allow it because she couldn't go with him

[@L0REN0R2Z0RR0]

@@lhu8891 well, Julian was a boy and her son, John was an unreliable drug addict

[@lhu8891]

@@L0REN0R2Z0RR0 rubbish she outright robbed john of time with julian why do you feel like she was entitled to a free holiday to america during johns turn to have julian?

[@mikem3875]

@@lhu8891 that's not exactly true. Cynthia wanted very much for julian to have a relationship with john. You have to understand everything in johns life was controlled and arranged by yoko, including visitation with julian, so there wasn't much cynthia could do.

[@Theanswerisblowinginthewind]

​@@mikem3875 Right ! And also Cyn was protecting Julian from John and Yoko's drug habits. LSD and Heroin to be exact. Cynthia was an amazing wife and mother and I don't blame her one bit for keeping Julian from all of that foolishness.

[@TheContingencyPlan]

Which John are we talking about? There were at least 3 of them.

[@charliefreeman947]

Any idea when this interview took place?

[@billmitchell3329]

I doubt very much John would’ve stayed with Yoko had he lived. Especially seeing her now and without being too unkind, what she looks like these days. There’s absolutely nothing feminine about her or even through the nineties and early 2000’s. Why a person of his caliber would put up with her being in love with another man and leaving a massive fortune to a heroin addict is mind boggling. Understanding that he didn’t expect to die still with that kind of fortune you make provisions. He basically handed over all his power and money to a user and someone who was obviously envious of his talents and power. I mean, during interviews about the Double Fantasy album she speaks as if she’s equal to him in composing and recording. It’s laughable and btw, I haven’t seen any commercial albums successes from her since his passing to make my point. Life is stranger than fiction and perhaps she is a sorceress to have accomplished what she has done.

[@robotube7361]

She is not a sorceress. She is just very very smart. She knows how to fuck with people's minds. A woman like this will literally take over your life. Here is how it begins. Lets say you start dating and have a nice sex. Thats all for a while. Then she starts doing things for you. For example one day she would come with make breakfast before you wake up. You wake up and everything is arranged. mind you- before that time you used to make your own breakfast. You will say "oh great-this person thinks for me". Then u see something on TV and you say damn I wish I had one of those whirts. Next day - one of those shirts will be waiting for you. She starts doing your chores for you, because why not? I mean its convenient and a nice gesture is someone would get off some load of your back. but what you dont realize is that all of this is your life's routine. She would not want you to do this with her together. She deliberately will do all your chores before you even think of doing them. This is when you relax and think- wow this woman is awesome. She really cares for me and she does things for me, HELPING ME GREATLY. This goes for months even a year right to the point where u totally lose your daily routine and habits and boom she starts arguing with you and leaves you for a short time and you literallyu feel helpless because she literally bacame your right hand. Its hard to get back to a routine because at the same time you are heartbroken and this is when u pick up the phone and beg. Your mail piled up, you haveing trouble to even buy food down to the store because even that, without a routine feels like a heavy chore. She comes back, sees the mess and starts to berate you how messy you are and how incapable you are on your own- basically psychologically beating you down into submition. You admit, you really have become a mess without a routine because she did everything for you. This is what happened to John and happens to many men who let women manage everything in their lives little by little instead of them saying : "Thanks this was a nice gesture, but Ill be preparing my own breakfast next time or we could do it together. "

[@pluggy86]

I once saw an interview with Julian where he unleashes and refers to her as a vicious manipulater and con artist. I was amazed he would say it so plainly, knowing he was being filmed. Sometime later he was asked, but refused to bad mouth her saying he didn't want to say anything to upset Sean. I believe she's a horrible human being. She may have mellowed with age, and perhaps she did try to be a good mother to Sean, with his father shockingly taken from him. Or am I giving her too much credit?

[@mikeheaton8424]

I always thought she used a spell on him .

[@samyoung3592]

I think they would have def grown apart as they both matured, or John for sure did. He would have awakened to the fact there was no end to her manipulating everything, and moved on. But of course he never got the chance...

[@janicenordstrom6154]

She is disgusting!!

[@dkenyon5225]

RIP John.....

[@MyDreamside]

Am i the only who suspects that Yoko had something to do with Johns death? She was a witch, very convenient to kill him after making his last album. She was starting over. She didnt wait to create a Lennon out of her lover. I can go on and on. She surely wanted his fame and money but other than that she wanted to get rid of him. I think she may even planed it . I find it very weird that one of her bodyquards told her during their Double Fantasy sessions about how they need more protection. She was that crazy that she even arranged the day Sean born. I am surprised that she was never considered a suspect

[@johnschulenberg7560]

Yoko fired John's bodyguard 3 days before he was killed.

[@noname-by3qz]

Who's she calling late into the night anyway? It's too bad she drugged him into leaving May Pang. They were about to buy a house, and he was spending time with Julien for once. I wish the audio was better here!

[@arob13]

Lennon was a great Beatle. He was not a great person. And he wasn't playing with a full deck of cards.

[@69birdboy]

Who is

[@OCTOBERBABY7901]

I think if Lennon had gotten therapy after his mom was killed, it may have helped him some. He was dealing with a lot of trauma.

[@oonis.aucoix]

I wonder if he ever thought about the first wife and what it would've been like, if he hadn't thrown all THAT away? I realize he was bored but boredom is inevitably going to be a problem in any relationship, esp. when you're basically a kid. His clinging to this viper pretty much proves it: one way or another it's your responsibility to be happy and amuse yourself. It's not the other person's responsibility. And if you're dissatisfied it doesn't automatically mean THEY screwed up.

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

supposedly he only married Cynthia bc she got pregnant and he wanted to give the child a name

[@waterfalls5194]

@@lynnsmithershubbard1896 (sigh) Sadly your comment demonstrates how effective 'John&Yoko's', *untrue PR spin* (repeated everywhere over 50 years) has been. Fact: John *fell in love with and pursued* shy and reserved Cynthia, then they became art school sweethearts. They had a longtime sexual relationship (4years) and *planned to be married anyway* before Julian was conceived. John's sister Julia confirms that fact. John's letters to Cyn from Hamburg (before pregnancy) and from the road while on tour during 'Beatlemania' (after Julian's birth) *detail how much John loved, missed and longed for both* his wife (John referred as a "Goddess") and his son (John referred as, "My little rocker"). In early interviews John spoke lovingly regarding Cyn and married life. But fame and adulation took its toll and John coped by taking more and harder drugs, which made Cynthia ill, not high, so she couldn't share that experience with him, plus she needed a clear head to parent their baby son. That's when they started to grow apart, not because Cynthia became "dull and boring" as she was later *publicly mythologized* by J&Y while they described themselves as "exciting, artistic, intellectual". Yoko ALWAYS thought highly of herself. She believed she was *more talented than The Beatles* and should be at least as famous but she *could never aquire fame on her own.* She still needs long dead John Lennon to be even "D-list" relevant today. Contrary to the revised story of how John and Yoko met, John wasn't impressed with Yoko or her art when they first met. He rejected her flirtations. She had to hard stalk him for two years, offer him blow jobs and ply him (a drug addict) with heroin *to pry him from a so-called "boring wife & dull marriage"* that he *Was Not* actively trying to leave or escape! Anyway, later on now paired with Yoko, John's *"Little Rocker"* receives a *public makeover.* Julian gets sorted from, compared with baby brother Sean, and cruelly reduced as the infamous: *"Result from a bottle of whiskey on a Saturday night"!* while Sean's christened *"Long awaited and planned"* because (unlike his unfortunate siblings Yoko miscarried due to her continued heroin use) Sean survived. And even that is only because Yoko gave John the decision as to whether she should carry Sean or abort him, *whichever would save her marriage to John* after his "Lost Weekend" return. *The continued pattern and need* for John&Yoko to publicly, and narcissisticly exalt themselves and Sean above (while simultaneously diminishing) John's past loved ones, I find (through my research) a strange trait John picked up once he paired with high born but medically diagnosed insane Yoko. This trait is peppered throughout Yoko's interviews since Lennon's death even today. Do the research and see for yourself.

[@OCTOBERBABY7901]

@@waterfalls5194 I believe I read in a book somewhere, that Cynthia told John that she thought Yoko was good for her?! Not those exact words, but something relating to it. Idk if I misinterpreted that statement or not, I was young when this book came out, late 80's, I was about 17 or 18 at the time, so it was a long time ago.

[@waterfalls5194]

@@OCTOBERBABY7901*"Water Falls I believe I read in a book somewhere, that Cynthia told John that she thought Yoko was good for her?!..."* I've never read or heard that. Perhaps it was said by her paid minions, fans, or Yoko herself. Anyway, I disagree obviously.

[@OCTOBERBABY7901]

@@waterfalls5194 yeah like I thought. It was a long time ago I read it somewhere. I knew it couldn't be true.

[@MrAschiff]

Yoko's lack of affection makes sense when you realize that John's Aunt Mimi wasn't affectionate, even though his mom was. May Pang was. Before Julia died, he'd go back and forth between his mom and Mimi, kind of the way John would go back and forth between May and Yoko

[@bbsoni4814]

and the weird thing is Fred seaman looks a bit like John

[@fredapeeples6619]

John father's name was Alfred (Fred) and he was a seaman. Seriously.

[@bbsoni4814]

@@fredapeeples6619 I know that...apparently that's why John hired him

[@francelaferriere6106]

He does, strangely. There's even one pic where he looks like a mix of John and Paul.

[@notaclue822]

Well, everybody's saying what Yoko's motives were in pursuing John, but what I can't figure out is how how she got him. I appreciate that John wasn't all about conventional looks, but Yoko seems to have been a difficult and controlling woman. She was 7 years his senior, she was annoyingly indirect and tricky.... It's absurd that she was able to captivate this guy... and THEN not be that into him.

[@bethelight5613]

She was into his money

[@summer-turtle]

He was raised by Mimi, a difficult and controlling woman. You can figure out the rest.

[@MeeMee-gz5vp]

She got him by playing on his fears, which is a common tactic for most sociopaths.

[@MrThedonhead]

She got him on heroin and basically looked after him and let him go and sleep with who he wanted,it was a great arrangement for John

[@seancollett6]

If John Lennon was such an intelligent guy then why did he get together with Yoko, believe in astrology, and buy into black magic? Doesn’t sound like very intelligent thinking to me.

[@catfaj6828]

Probably mental illness. Intelligent people get/have mental illness. He could have got better if he lived, treatment. Therapt. Never shall we know.

[@allinthemind7796]

For a lot of people childhood trauma especially being abandoned by not one but both parents can haunt you for the rest of you're life..as a result cause you to make poor choices in life. like the other person said it can leave a deep ingrained mental illness. All you have to do is listen to the song mother that song speaks volumes..

[@frankginepra683]

That’s because love is blind so sad

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

artists don't claim to be rational

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

@@allinthemind7796 and he openly admitted to his faults--that's pretty damn healthy

[@stormbringercoming8105]

I read Fred’s book. Even is he is a bit shady, I find no problem believing his story. Every book I’ve ever read about John, he wanted to be around a dominating woman. Probably because he was physically and verbally abusive towards weaker women in general. I believe he was a tortured soul, and DO NOT buy into their whole peace and love bullshit. He talked the game, but in the end they were materialists of the highest order. Don’t get me wrong, I love Lennon’s music, but that’s where it ends. He was a great musician. That’s good enough.

[@andreiacarlini1024]

Fred Seaman's book has been confirmed by several other books, in particular by DAKOTA DAYS: The true story of John, written by John Green. John Green was the tarot reader for John and Yoko and closed friend in the last 5 years of John’s life. The book quotes Yoko extensively and the quotes are based on his taped conversations with her. The book addresses areas of John's and Yoko's lives -- Yoko's outrageous addiction to superstition, Lennon's depression in the mid-to-late 1970s, etc. -- that Lennon worshippers like you don't want anyone to know about. In fact, Dakota Days is a very good and extremely readable book which fully exposes Yoko's craziness, some of the problems that plagued the Lennons' marriage, and the creative impotence that tormented Lennon in the late 1970s.

[@ericddenison4016]

The movie, "The Two Of Us", fictionally imagines some of their relationship in New York in 1975.

[@AngelObrien78]

Its true

[@welshwarrior5263]

I always thought she has a dark side. She looks horrible. I doubt her meeting with John was no accident and probably used to be his handler.

[@allittakes]

Where’s part 2 ?

[@avdreader1]

I'm not surprised at all Many people put on acts all their lives that they are happy and content. Then, upon their death, things start coming out that blow what we believe out of the water. It doesn't change what I felt about John because his marriage wasn't great. Welcome to a very large club. It's no big deal.

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

someone who really loved him should have intervened--that would have been so fabulous

[@francelaferriere6106]

@@lynnsmithershubbard1896 Yes, but how could anyone intervene? If you were in a troubled relationship (or whatever) and someone would come up to you and say that you'd be better off without that manipulative slash controlling slash overbearing slash bossy slash sociopath, etc., person, would you listen to them and leave that person?

[@squorly]

I thought Paul loved John but he helped reconcile them. I've never understood why he did that. Maybe it was the competitive streak - John was prolific during his time with May.

[@marksmemorabilia3743]

No John should have stayed with his beautiful wife Cynthia and his Son, Julian. John was a chicken shit for leaving them. Fred Seamen has always told the truth.

[@cindyjones6486]

I was a great fan of John Lennon. He was the captain of his own life. He made the decision to marry Yoko. I don't understand it. I think Cynthia and Julian were wronged. And Yoko should make things right with Julian before she passes on. It's not good to go and not try to fix unsettled things with people. He was a very intelligent man. If he gave control to her I don't believe he was forced. I think he did exactly what he wanted. He owed Cynthia and Julian. He should have taken care if his affairs long before. None of us know when we will be taken

[@L0REN0R2Z0RR0]

Yeah, I think those words are well spoken.

[@MegaSickcat]

Yoko is a dangerous sociopath who controlled John no matter what people say. John was searching for his mother his entire life and Yoko manipulated him because he was always shattered from the loss of his mother all those years ago. Yoko really never loved him, she wanted his fame and his money. She really isn't a nice person, she only smiles in front of the cameras. Fred Seaman told the truth about what he saw. He was there. Yoko treated John's first born son like shit because she could.

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

Didn't Yoko get John fixed-up with her Chinese housekeeper?

[@timotley2100]

The original photo bomber

[@CathyRas65]

So true 😄

[@Borna909]

Sometimes two people just fit together. In this case it was a disastrous relationship. Yoko rejected John once she was shure about his love. And this made John just struggle harder to get a glimpse of Yoko´s not existing love. This worked just like a perpetual motion machine and John couldnt get out of it. The only thing left was to reframe the situation - "Yoko doesnt love me? Nah, she is just some kind of witch that isn´t to be judged like usual women. It HAS to be that she rejects me and if my love is for real I have to take stick.". Its hard to watch that from the outside but if John felt happy with it... well... what can you do about it? Btw I´m glad to have Seamans Book. It´s a shame that Yoko managed to keep it out of the market. People should know both sides of the story and then decide by themselves what is to be believed. I don´t hate Yoko as many of those Beatles-Fans. It was time for the Beatles to split up after they reached everything and grown up. Yoko was just Johns excuse to end that kind of circus. And in fact she did some great art too at least in the 60s. But I really believe Seaman is telling the truth. Does a song like "Losing you" pop out of nowhere? I don´t think so.

[@kalinakimble5660]

I would never insert myself into my husband's profession just because I was his wife. I was not gifted in that area, it was his time to shine in the area he worked hard to achieve success in. Sure, I was by his side during conventions and dinners with colleagues, but I would never be so presumptuous as to consider myself an equal in his craft. I loved my role as "The Wind Beneath his Wings"...his best friend and mother of our children. I had my own niche and he would never presume he was also good at the art, decorating and gardening pursuits I loved. It seems Yoko excuse the expression...was a control freak, and did absolutely love the idea of being Mrs. John Lennon...but did she love the child in him...a child that was damaged. Maybe she did at first, but as time wore on, got caught up in the fame, the connections that gave her quite a bit of power and started to control John. The relationship left the path they started on in the last years of the marriage.

[@nonebusiness4488]

puke

[@lovelygivan1442]

none business you again? 😂😂😂😂

[@toyiahm]

And songs like Just Like Starting Over and Hard Times Are Over pop up too... They were married for over a decade, lyrical inspiration sparks from all over.

[@michaelcrompton3439]

@@kalinakimble5660 not gifted? She was the only one in the beatles sessions that could read and notate music… she was musically educated from a very young age. Perhaps try getting your “facts” somewhere other than the KZbin comments sections.

[@joeyday576]

Yoko was the perfect mix for John's insecure mother issues. She could be cold and strict like his Aunt Mimi and artsy and weird like his mother, Julia.

[@heyday179]

don't quit your day job, freud

[@joeyday576]

@@heyday179 - John even referred to Yoko as "Mother".

[@heyday179]

@@joeyday576 ​ @Joey Day first of all you weren't married to yoko and you don't know if she was cold and strict and your imagination about her is not relevant. second she wasn't really like a mother to him cuz they were fucking, so not really like a mother. he called her mother because she nourished him intellectually and emotionally. it is not uncommon for romantic partners to act as parents to each other sometimes and it is a perfectly ordinary term of endearment between spouses.

[@joeyday576]

@@heyday179 - You are actually correct about one thing... Oedipus Complex (which John clearly had for Yoko) is not uncommon.

[@heyday179]

@@joeyday576 ridiculous. she was gorgeous, brilliant, unique, fascinating. nothing oedipus about her. he could have had any woman he wanted and he picked an exotic, very educated intellectual. nothing mommy about it just raw prime cut stuff

[@NYVoice]

I stayed on the 43rd floor of a hotel on Central Park South in April. Off in the distance to the left was the Dakota. I thought "She's still there".

[@merseybeat1963]

By the end we can hardly hear this guy..cant it be adjusted or something?

[@TheGary1953]

listen to the lyrics on Double Fantasy,words of love from John is what I hear

[@azynx9]

All the years I've looked at this photo, and I've just noticed the man in the back.

[@patrickgreene2663]

Where?

[@christined2495]

@@patrickgreene2663 he is the doorman to the Dakota, you can see him in the background

[@patrickgreene2663]

@@christined2495 Ok, now I see him. BTW, I've actually been in the Dakota in '97. My aunt lives there. She has 4 bedrooms 2 herself! Must be nice! 💲💲💲💲💲💲💲💲💲💲💲💲💲

[@christined2495]

@@patrickgreene2663 WOW, must have been something to walk thru the entrance of the Dakota, and actually be inside the Dakota… I lived on Long Island for 35 years, and could kick myself for not going to the Dakota before I moved….

[@patrickgreene2663]

@@christined2495 it's very beautiful, but VERY spooky!👀you always feel like your being watched.👀. I saw Yoko a couple times with her bodyguard a few times. She still lives there.

[@mattfoster2021]

I’m married to a Japanese woman (currently living In Naoshima, Japan) - 33 years. It’s been 90% wonderful. She supports me - unconditionally. I’m an artist, who struggled wanting a muse. That’s a weak position. Yoko’s antics were creepy. Heroin user. She’s a “shock-artist”, anything to get a reaction. Read her grapefruit book. Look at her work. Not much substance. Just another user - drugs, people, codependency, manipulation. Paul knew it all. She poisoned away their relationship. Sad.

[@teresakoslosky3053]

I think if u lost your mother at 15 lost his father as a child he didn’t know how to be in control or make good decisions… she sent him away to be with Mae Pang, and he fell apart…. I think he loved her and put up with her…. He chose to stay home with Sean and raise him became a house husband… he found peace in Sean and being a dad… even made strides to get back together with his first son Julian. It is so sad really… I feel sad that people talk crap about John! I believe Yoko totally took advantage of him and his money.

[@dinosaurdino]

No different than most marriages.

[@loosilu]

If most marriages were like theirs, the planet would be miserable.

[@jacquelinehayes7859]

Two crazy people.

[@lynnsmithershubbard1896]

egomaniacs

[@zapdunga12]

John was raised by a very dominant strong woman and that's what he was used to. He 'had' hundreds of women but was never in love. I believe the only woman he ever loved beside Mimi was his mother Julia.

[@pureone26]

JOhn Potash's book and interviews are interesting.

[@adric137]

it was an awful marriage!!!!!

[@bethelight5613]

John use to wear beautiful clothes when married to Cynthia. The 2nd wife turned him into a clown or slob.

[@adric137]

@@bethelight5613 I totally agree with you!

[@uapnewdiscoveryimages]

Manipulator......she said she did not know who he was when he first met her at the Indica Gallery......bullshit.

[@jean-marieboucherit4716]

John Lennon was a genius but he didn’t go to university, he didn’t have all the cultural references that Yokôhad, so,she made him,feel small. He felt inferior and admired her for this. Same thing about his political conscience and his moving to the Us where he met intellectuals. It’s a bit of a sad story , but remember, the best of the Brits din’t go to university, for example William Shakespeare.

[@dskywalker3397]

Yoko was cheating on John during the last year (1980).

[@Maureanna]

I know women that had children in 40s my friends mom have her in her 40s.also you can induce labor.and why didn't she tell him don't leave the house the night he was murdered.maybe she knew how to do all these things .I noticed john never looks happy in his pics with her.i never understood their relationship. But listening I kinda do.to bad he's gone.maybe he would have left her and we'd have Lennon being happy and making music or sailing in Newport

[@seerstone8982]

Also if you notice in pictures John is always the one kissing her, cant find any of Yoko kissing him.

[@slow-mo_moonbuggy]

Probably because Yoko never kicked dope after John kicked.

[@tomm7434]

How a guy like AlfredFreeman could get in with John Lennon is beyond the pail .

[@p0llenp0ny]

Who's this Alfred Freeman?

[@tomm7434]

p0llenp0ny He’s you, he’s me, he’s all of us actually.

[@llongdong]

The man peeping out of the door in the background is as horrifying as watching "The Exorcist".

[@fredapeeples6619]

That's Jose the doorman. He was present when JL was murdered. There is an entire conspiracy surrounding him.

[@johnfoster535]

@@fredapeeples6619 His name was Jose Perdomo....a CIA veteran of the failed "Bay of Pigs" invasion of Cuba in 1961. Odd coincidence, as Reagan had just won the 1980 election and his incoming CIA Director, OSS veteran Bill Casey was already arranging the "arms for hostages" deal. Maybe there was a thought to " clear the decks" of a potential political "pain in the ass", as Lennon was re-emerging into the public eye. Lennon once funded a nuisance campaign against Reagan in California, led by LSD guru Timothy Leary. We all saw what happened to JFK, RFK, MLK.......then, John. Were they really all " lone nuts" who killed them without any involvement of others ? Most people know in their guts the real truth.

[@fredapeeples6619]

@@johnfoster535 Like I said, there's an entire con....