Free Will Song

[@elizabethwanyonyi2407]

If God had given me this freedom my answer would still be "no" to this day. I hated Him and would still if it were not for divine intervention, giving me a new heart and causing me to loathe my old self.

[@logandavison3619]

Preach!

[@sunnier1]

A beautiful worship song - if you worship man.

[@wpuymac]

Spot on.

[@nathanaelstricker9056]

But, but, this is written from God’s perspective. lol

[@kopicat25]

The Gospel of John: "Who were born…not of the will of man…but of God."

[@3n1fss]

Fact

[@flashrug_]

praying for these guys...there was a time when I would have had no problem with this song and by God's grace He has brought me to the Doctrines of Grace. we must be charitable and not boast that we have been given the grace to see that God in sovereign in all things, especially salvation. soli deo gloria!

[@Salamanderman117]

Hearing things like this make me thank God He delivered me from such a twisted doctrine. Keep soteriology theocentric and biblical!! God chose us by His soverign authority! =)

[@timffoster]

This song is enough to make me a staunch Calvinist.

[@robotnik77]

As a staunch Calvinist, this schlock makes me groan inside.

[@lukemwills]

Or even better: become a Lutheran!

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@@robotnik77 consistent Arminians don't hold to free will but a Freed will and say apart from grace,you couldn't respond in faith to begin with.

[@ks23770]

@@rauldelarosa2768 consistent Arminians are Open Theists, which is damnable heresy.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@@ks23770 Typical cage stage Calvinist rhetoric.... open theology is a new teaching that's not Arminian but actually came from Nazarene circles and is relatively new . Next time you bring the dung heap of sectarianism and your trusting in John Calvin over the finished work of Jesus Christ,find out what Arminians believe in from Arminians.. Not from RC Sproul and John MacArthur Jr.. Try again with facts next time.

[@gabrielkinzel3389]

Literally haven’t seen so many Calvinists jokes in my life... it gives me great comfort 😂

[@toobfunnybunny]

Boy, it was sure a good thing that Lazarus gave Jesus permission to raise him from the dead. Otherwise he'd still be dead.

[@Lizzielove210]

Preach it.

[@fiveSolas879]

hahahah nailed it.

[@HealingWord_Psalm107-20]

Wrongfully equating a sign to validate Jesus’ Messiaship with how He saves individuals. 🙏

[@JoshWilliamson]

Other songs by this group include: "What a weak God we serve" "How weak thou art!" "Amazing Choice!" Serious, the Scripture shows us that God alone is the author of salvation, and no man can come to the Son unless they are drawn! (John 6)

[@TerrenceTheodore]

Forgive them, for they know not what they sing.

[@han2968]

"For they know not " i-

[@andrij13]

Me thinks they do

[@mayaphillips150]

😂😂😂

[@blainesimons4263]

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13 ESV)

[@iwaslikepfffft]

im so glad God didnt leave me to choose. Praise Him for His grace

[@richverano]

A song worshiping man's free will... Now I've seen everything...

[@kevinsheridan2324]

Richard Verano Those who worship the God of John Calvin worship a small God

[@fiveSolas879]

all hail Gods sovreignty, but not in a way he defines it! lol

[@williamspencer1351]

@@kevinsheridan2324 Obviously you do not hold Scripture in high esteem.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@@williamspencer1351 nope we don't hold John Calvin in high regard... That's what was said..

[@KevinHash]

"The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the LORD; He turns it wherever He wishes." Proverbs 21

[@mulder1glen]

It makes me proud to say that I had no part in my own salvation. If I had the slightest role it would never be enough. Only the perfect righteousness of Christ for me, thank you. I wish people would stop limiting God in such distorted ways.

[@HealingWord_Psalm107-20]

Exactly. Calvinism is theological Pharasaism. You’re “proud” that you’re elect and not like those reprobates-and proud of your doctrine, that you’re not confused like those Arminians. Arminians are accused of pride, but you only ever see Calvinists boasting in their elect status and supposed theological purity. 🙏

[@patrckhh20]

So this is what Pelagian music sounds like.

[@noahchenhalls4085]

I'm pretty sure Pelagians don't sing out of key.

[@toobfunnybunny]

Noah Chenhalls pitchy, dawg. randy says "no."

[@toobfunnybunny]

CalvinistOnACouch: this is played continuously in hell, i've no doubt.

[@fiveSolas879]

hahahahahahahahaha im dead, but i can try lol

[@cardbored_]

I am so thank full that this world is not my home, that I am just passing through, that in heaven there will be no fake, pleather music like this, a place where we can Glorify Christ in our Glorified Bodies. Soli Deo Gloria!

[@gnpahl]

"I do not believe we can preach the gospel...unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the Cross; nor can I comprehend a gospel which lets saints fall away after they are called." - C.H. Spurgeon

[@22TRIALSTURNEDTOGOLD]

God is sovereign over everything except men. He is almost omnipotent!

[@eternalchilofgod3]

+Aaron Gregas Sovereign does not mean complete control.

[@fiveSolas879]

@@eternalchilofgod3 according to God it does. or do you strive with YOUR MAKER? lol

[@costescuflorin3655]

"but my own sons come to me by choice"...yeah, HIS choice.

[@SammyWinFL]

Well put my friend.

[@chasedart382]

Yeah John 15: 16. Guess that's missing from the pew bibles.

[@rjd3434]

John 6:35-40 determined that was a lie.

[@reformedman]

Wow, this song really glorifies man doesn't it. Amazing.

[@reformed-tf7fk]

It is as if they are trying to convince themselves.

[@lorenzmartingodoy5035]

These singers are basically saying, "God is sovereign over all creation, except us." XD

[@Creshex8]

@Roy Magnuson , the tenets of Calvinism were in existence and believed millennia before the US was founded. Lorenz put it concisely. If God is sovereign over man’s will, He has control over it. You are arguing God is sovereign over everything EXCEPT man. This is paramount to the splicing a dicing of words to create a lie from the truth we saw from the serpent in the garden of Eden.

[@fiveSolas879]

@Roy Magnuson Gods definition as laid out in scripture. JWS are a cult anyway. so who cares what man says, God is Sovreign and does according to what he wants, and no man can say what have you done.

[@TurrettiniPizza]

This is heresy.

[@romangavrilov930]

Haha I love your profile pic and name.

[@JCsVideoChannel]

The true irony of this song is the lyric “and sheep will recognize the Shepherd’s call.” All by their own “free will” eh?

[@ReformedLou]

This reminds me why I love our Calvinist hymns. Unlike this song, they are full of direct scriptural references and true doctrine - from the word of God.

[@TimTheTuner]

(cont.) He makes us willing to believe. And the way He does this is by removing our heart of stone and giving us a heart of flesh so that we may truly love and believe in Him.

[@TheCASSMAN777]

This song is so ridiculous, that it sounds like Calvinists making fun of Arminians!

[@fiveSolas879]

@Roy Magnuson paul got his "system" from christ. why are you dividing the 2?

[@cardbored_]

Well said!, Very similiar to the love of God! Instead of letting all of men go astray (which would happen). He chooses some for Himself, out of True Love. He does what is best for us, changes our heart, instead of letting us do what we want, which is Glory in our sin.

[@toobfunnybunny]

"My sons come to Me by choice," said Romans 8:7-8 never. Romans 8:7-8 (ESV) 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Where are the willing sons here?

[@chasedart382]

I'm guessing the 11 Disciples aren't God's sons since they didn't choose Christ, Christ chose them. John 15: 16. Do people even read their bibles anymore?

[@DanielGardner]

I think it's cool how the song starts out with declarations of God's creation - which no one but Himself chose to begin.

[@cardbored_]

"God gives us the freedom to make our own decisions, and then, we are held responsible for the decisions" - I am glad that she at least recognizes that God is a God of justice and holds us responsible.

[@PopeCromwell]

'One of the greatest themes with God's word' As especially seen in Ephesians Chapter 1 and Romans Chapter 9.

[@fiveSolas879]

eph 2 and rev 20 too

[@Lowlander93]

"And I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart." ~ Jeremiah 24:7 That is the God we serve. He's not waiting for you to make a choice to release His power. He is more gracious than that.

[@johnriley1020]

/puke Stop with the hermeneutical hokey pokey. Go read your Bible. God is sovereign over all things. including who He will draw to Himself and who He won't.

[@REDRAGON12345]

Thank God He draws all men to Himself (John 12:32). Only those who reject, resist, or deny Him will not be saved.

[@reformationwoodburning3774]

REDRAGON12345 a God who can be resisted is not sovereign...and therefore not God. Way to go...you've stripped God of His Godhood.

[@REDRAGON12345]

Reformation Woodburning Of course He can still be sovereign. Do you think God is scared of people who can resist Him? Not the mention the Bible is replete with people resisting God's gracious offers. Luke 7:30 "But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves...." Acts 7:51 "You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit...." 2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves." Rejecting, resisting, and denying the Lord. Look to the Scriptures, my friend, not to your philosophical presuppositions about what sovereignty means.

[@reformationwoodburning3774]

REDRAGON12345 I'm sorry...more hermeneutical hokey pokey won't help here. The effectual call of the Holy Spirit cannot be resisted. Ever. Period.

[@REDRAGON12345]

Reformation Woodburning If you want to deny the biblical passages I provided, you're more than free to do so (or determined to do so I should say). I will believe the Bible, you're free to believe John Calvin.

[@Isaiah53Jesus]

English Standard Version And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48

[@markxivlxii1390]

And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed...... Mmmmmm

[@KristyKLosingIt]

Wow...I was really hoping that this was going to be a joke. Guess they never read John 15:16, "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you." or Romans 9:16, "So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy." or all of Romans 9 for that matter.

[@andrewtaylor9040]

What's ironic is that Carrie Underwood's theology in mainstream country music shames these huckleberries.

[@ForensicPI]

Listen to the "Joy Quartet" sing their Arminian free will’ism, where God fails, and man is in control of their destiny. 😭😖

[@ardentgailla]

We always choose "no" unless God has chosen us.

[@SovereignGraceSingle]

We DO freely chose but our "Free Will is a SLAVE"... and we FREELY chose what the dictates of our will has determined.... Sin and Selfishness. Thank you Mr Spurgeon!! FREE WILL A SLAVE!

[@kopicat25]

'The Blasphemers Anthem'. And God comes to the door like a beggar…"Please…please believe in me. I can't do anything until you make YOUR decision. Please…"

[@fiveSolas879]

@Roy Magnuson hahahaha. in context, tHE FATHER gave him no order to do anything there. Jesus only healed those whom the Father Chose. notice the blind man, who didnt even know who Christ was, yet alone have faith in order to be healed, yet Jesus still healed him, so its not based on us, but on God who shows mercy! answer that?

[@robertocastro2549]

@@fiveSolas879 exactly, still Good choice. For he shows mercy on who he chooses

[@jasonpetersen8778]

I do believe that Jim Schettler's son (Ben Schettler) is a Calvinist. I am local to PCC and cannot believe that such a song has been uttered so close to where I live. D: ~Jason

[@ForeverResplendent]

+Jason Petersen Time to move, maybe there will be a big Salt Deposit here soon. I'm in Canada and I might not live far enough away.

[@northben]

Is this akin to the way a parent allows their child to play in the street because they really love them, and that's what the child really want? True love does not allow a person to do anything they want. True love does what is best for them.

[@ProphetPriestPoet]

Some begin with the Theological error that God was horribly lonely before He made man therefore He made us and since He really wanted to be loved He made sure that He gave mankind the choice to love him freely "because He did not want the love of a robot". But it's only after He freed me from detah and blindness that I could truly see Him, truly see my need of Him, and praise and love Him for what He did. I don't know how a dead man can love (Dead, according to Scritpure man without Christ)

[@soccerchamp0511]

Wow, what happened to the idea that all our "good works" are like "filthy rags"?

[@klohitman]

People go to hell because they do not want to be in a relationship with God. God is giving them what they want. Would you have God force people into heaven against their will?

[@bamboo99]

There aren't nearly enough songs in church that use the word "Whip-poor-will" in it. I'd like to use my free will to write a song for Sunday about the whip-poor-will right now.

[@jasongoodwin6132]

Unfortunately, I saw this link get rehashed on Facebook yesterday. Here’s what said: “I would have said that it was a “blast from the past”, but that does serious disservice to good stuff from the past. I need to listen to Cannibal Corpse to get that image out of my head! This song is more like a flatulent firecracker that we’d all like to forget. Thanks, Reformed Sage, for mentally tormenting us today”.

[@Soldier7of7Christ]

Absolutely no bible for this song... none, what so ever..

[@sejlane]

Well, God did create us from clay and He owns the cattle on a thousand hills

[@napnip]

Oh, how I love Jesus! Oh, how I love Jesus! Oh, how I love Jesus! Because of my own free will!

[@napnip]

Minor sarcasm intended, for our Arminian friends.

[@fiveSolas879]

@@napnip hahahahaha

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@@napnip I would ask you to do the necessary research and truly find out what Arminians believe in from Arminians, not from rants by the late RC Sproul..

[@napnip]

@@rauldelarosa2768 Sorry, not a fan of Sproul or Calvinism in general.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@@napnip I am not either.. Why are you apologizing? I'm not a calvinist myself and I have exposed the sectarian fruit that RC Sproul sowed and is his legacy unfortunately.. That's why I made mention of his erroneous position.

[@AustinTuckerPastor]

Oh, the depths of truth taught in IFB colleges... Lol This is not even solid from a Wesleyan position.

[@klohitman]

If I pay for a candy bar for you and you decide not to take it that does not negate that the payment for the candy bar was made. Jesus died for all sin in all time period. This does not mean you have to accept the gift which is the payment of your sins. God will allow you to choose hell over the paid for free gift of Jesus' atonement.

[@smerle5549]

I had great difficulty not grimacing, wincing, and was fearful for them while hearing this.

[@Dirk80241]

The Epilogue of the pastor is stonisihing. Where in the Bible does God say that our ability to choose is the most beautiful truth?! God is pleased with his Son because he saved sinners who chose wrong. Don't worship sinners but praise God for his endless grace.

[@seephas]

I would have chosen my sin every single time had God not saved me.

[@blandreneau]

Heartbreaking... glorifying man ... Salvation is of the Lord!

[@davidsmith3667]

Man has to still believe to choose Him! Without that free will, we would be robots! I

[@newbirth35]

ROTFL! Oh my goodness. I agree with Samuelb - there is no way that that can be real! Wow...just wow.

[@dmille3098]

Anyone notice how little "joy" there is on the faces of the "Joy Quartet"?

[@1Atomtan]

Same God that said he died for the sins of the world and That whosoever shall believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

[@Salamanderman117]

I went to this school when these singers were there performing this song and gobbled up this faulty doctrine like candy. My "favorite" part is the reference to the sheep and shepherd (ala John 10:25-31) a favorite passage to prove God's soverign choice.

[@Brynnium]

God wouldn't violate the freewill of the oceans!

[@fiveSolas879]

proverbs 8:22-36. woops got that wrong!

[@thesullivankid2425]

They come because they are drawn by the Father...but they have the choice to reject that drawing. They come by faith, which is a gift granted to them by the Father...but they again have the choice to reject that.

[@klohitman]

God is still sovereign, a sovereign is able to allow his subjects choice. It is the right of a sovereign to govern how they see fit. God allows man a choice this in no way detracts from his sovereign power. I would say the theology is sound.

[@HealingWord_Psalm107-20]

This song is not worshipping free will. This song is worshipping the God who grants free will to His intelligent creatures. It’s a praise of who God is, not just what He’s capable of doing.

[@chasedart382]

A song that uses God's name to justify glorifying our choice? Lmbo. Seriously? My sons come to me of their own free will? They have read John 15: 16 right? Guessing the eleven disciples and Paul aren't God's sons since they didn't choose him. He chose them.

[@zlclassics]

How about Jesus' words in John? "For God so loved the world that He sent His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." He said WHOSOEVER BELIEVES, not "Whosoever God preprogrammed." People who say man has no free will, as I understand the doctrine of predestination to teach, then they misunderstand what the Bible teaches.

[@hankphar]

An affirmation of the sovereignty of MAN.

[@scottripley5764]

This song gave me cancer.

[@KarisFaith316]

You again . . .

[@scottripley5764]

lol Are you stalking me?

[@KarisFaith316]

psh what no

[@awobbieh.8548]

Scott Ripley This song gave me Pelagianism.

[@omxrhxmxdxche2924]

I was gonna write a comment, but you spoke my mind Scott Ripley :LLL

[@HanYhak]

Oh man---hahaha! "Not to him who wills" would have ALSO rhymed in the chorus...

[@TheSkiboy95]

"...and then Jeremiah said no, because he had free will, despite whatever God said" *removes tongue from cheek*

[@ironclad452]

While we DO choose Christ freely .. we are not "forced" to love Him and follow Him .. our choice will always be NO from a fallen, unregenerated heart. Ezekiel 36:26-27 John 3:3 Ephesians 1:4-14; 2:1-10 Soli Deo Gloria

[@StephenHolland]

I think they should add to their reading list 'Martyn Luther's The Bondage of the Will.

[@lukemwills]

@Roy Magnuson No, seriously. You should probably try reading The Bondage of the Will. You do realize that not only did Luther have a doctorate in theology, but he translated the entire Bible from Hebrew and Greek. He most certainly did have a keen understanding of the Scriptures. I'm not sure what 2 Peter 3 has to do with it though, except to demonstrate that Lutheran (and Calvinist) theology is biblical.

[@JesusAloneSaves758]

I remember the time Nebuchadnezzar used his free will to become like an ox and eat grass and crawl along on all fours for seven years 🤣🤣🤣

[@3069mark]

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

[@mothcorrupteth]

Ever since I became a Calvinist, it seems as though I had never truly been conscious during my years as an Arminian. It all seems like it was a dreary somnambulation until the light of Luther and Calvin's gospel, which is the gospel of the scriptures, dawned on my heart the first time I read A Treatise on Good Works. Sing away about your "free" will. But it will never cleanse your conscience the way a total trust in God's irresistible grace does.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

So you're basically saying that it's Jesus Christ plus John Calvin that saves..

[@MrTickedoffagain]

The video starts with 'Jehovah reigns' and then goes on to deny that great truth!

[@3069mark]

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

[@boan000]

So, there is plenty of room for boasting after all? We can boast in our own wisdom for choosing God, no? God's freedom is subject to man's free will? o¿O

[@1Atomtan]

If God is whimsical and it's out of our hands. Why worry about it?

[@skalapunk]

What's funny is that the lyrics aren't even incorrect. Calvinists believe we come to God by choice. (ie, we make a willing, free choice) The difference between coming to God in Calvinism vs Arminianism is that in Calvinism, the reason we make that choice is because of grace. But in Arminianism, the reason we make that choice is because somehow we were better than those that didn't make the right choice.

[@davidturner69]

skalapunk Therefore, it becomes a work of our own "righteousness", and not a gift of God, that no man should boast, amiright? We have NO choice in it. None. There is nothing about us that is righteous at all. From the womb we are stained and marred with original sin. No, there is NO choice in the matter at all. It is ONLY God who can decide.

[@skalapunk]

David Turner The will is not passed by in salvation. We make a choice, but the only reason we make the "right" choice is because God has regenerated us. The unregenerate will always choose to reject the gospel.

[@carlpeterson8182]

+skalapunk Yes, We do choose. It is debated whether that is a free choice or if man has freewill or not. Some Calvinists believe in freewill and other do not. But yes, we always have a choice and are responsible for the choices we make.

[@skalapunk]

+Carl Peterson When you say "Some Calvinists believe in free will and others do not", you first have to define "Free will" before you can make such an assertion. If you mean by "free will" that man is never enslaved to his unregenerate nature and thus his spiritual choices do not necessarily reflect that nature, 100% of Calvinists disagree with free will. However if you simply mean "the ability to make choices in accordance with your nature" then 100% of Calvinists believe in free will. It's that pesky question of "do people make decisions in correspondence with their fallen nature, or not?" that we must bring the discussion to, in order to make any progress.

[@skalapunk]

+ForeverResplendent Bruh, I was simply pointing out the difference between LFW (libertarian free will) and compatibilism or a free will that is restrained by one's nature. Any Calvinist worth his salt knows what I'm talking about.

[@PowerFromAbove]

The simple fact of the matter that seems to be missed by everyone posting about this video is that we ARE responsible for choosing Christ. Once we have received the light, it is ours to choose

[@akaturbo7]

All who live on earth are counted as nothing. He does what he wishes with the army of heaven and with those living on earth. No one can hold back his hand or ask him, "What are you doing?"' Dan 4:35

[@MrSadler2003]

"Paul, and Apostle of Jesus Christ, and Timothy, our brother. To the FAITHFUL BROTHER IN CHRIST AT COLOSSAE".

[@StephenHolland]

John 6:44. End of story!!!!

[@THISISBRENTINOKINAWA]

As A.W. Tozer points out: We can have free will God can still ultimately be in control just as a passenger ship traveling from one continent to another; the passengers are free to do what they will---make their own moral choices---but they are not able to alter the ultimate course of the vessel.

[@sejlane]

There is a really good book (only about a finger's width and an easy read) written by R.C. Sproul called Willing to Believe. I think it will answer some of your questions. You're right, some of these responses are not very Christian.

[@toobfunnybunny]

if this song reflects God's perspective on "the freedom He gives us," then i guess He made a mistake by giving us John 6, Romans 8:7-8, Romans 9, Ephesians 2... this song has more error per square inch than bill gates has bucks.

[@reyldeguz]

Unregenerate man absolutely has a free will. By his very nature, man is free to sin & to make all the wrong choices. He is free to be a sinner. He is free to rebel against God. He is free to violate God's principles. He is free to violate the law. That's what free will is, the freedom to do wrong! ROMANS 3;10- 12

[@EmilySatterfield91]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA. Oh, you have got to be kidding me. How much of the Bible do you have to throw out to come to that conclusion?

[@fiveSolas879]

even the maps scream Gods sovreign choosing in election!

[@johnlowe2497]

Listening to this song is like asking Rob Bell to speak at a missions conference. "Who is Rob Bell?" Yeah, you're an Arminian.

[@toobfunnybunny]

i split a gut laughing! :)

[@reformed-tf7fk]

They look so excited as they sing this "great truth." hahahahaha

[@HearIsrael]

Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. Jhn 6:43 Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Rev 5:13

[@stevendahl5189]

It’s almost as if Satan himself was singing. “Willingly bow down to me, and I will give all these things to you...”

[@jyhoke]

Wow - this is what it looks like when people hate the God of the Bible and re-cast him in their own image. None of these people are born-again.

[@Really0h]

C'mon man. Regeneration is based on the Holy Spirit and not our understanding of the Doctrines of Grace.

[@jyhoke]

The fruit of regeneration according to Paul is that the gospel becomes the aroma of life while for the unregenerate it remains the stench of death. According to Jesus, the Pharisees proved that they were not of His sheep because, His sheep know Him and know His voice and follow Him and the voice of strangers they will not follow. One cannot insist that salvation is the result of man's will and understand what the gospel is, let alone have faith in the imputed righteousness of Christ. Thus the fruit of their defiant rejection of the gospel manifest that they are not yet born-again. As they currently view the gospel as a stench of death and teach in place of the gospel another gospel which is really not another but they seek to pervert the gospel by insisting that men can be justified by an act of the will.

[@Really0h]

We must take care when we say that someone who touts their 'free will' is automatically unregenerate. Are they incorrect? Absolutely! But it's not their soteriology is not what saves them. It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. We are not saved merely by what we know or have faith in, ultimately. It is only the blood of Christ that saves a person. If we had all the faith and knowledge in the world, but Christ had not died, then we would be hopelessly lost. So it is only in the blood of Christ that we have redemption--the fruit or sign of our salvation being faith. There is no qualification for faith being saving other than believing that Christ, lived, died, and rose again in our place giving us life. Anything we add onto that believe becomes Gnosticism--that now we must have special knowledge in order to be saved. Is knowledge of right doctrine good? Yes! But is it absolutely necessary for salvation? No! At what point do we draw the line, if not what the Bible says in 1 Corinthians 15? Is your theology absolutely perfect? I know mine is not, and then the question arises, am I truly covered by the blood of Christ, or must I reach theological perfection in order to actually be saved--that that is the Gospel I must believe, and that any defect in my belief is indicative that I am not truly regenerate. I recall to mind John Calvin's quote, "We need not demand absolute perfection of the Gospel in others, though we should strive for it ourselves." Certainly, we should show Free-willers the truth and joys to be found in the right understanding of Scripture, but we cannot say that the belief in a synergistic soteriology is soul-damning. It is true that many Arminians (as well as fellow Calvinists for that matter) are going to Hell. It is true that the Arminian theological system leads more to Hell than to Heaven. But it is also true that people can betray their theological systems. Most Arminians don't actually hold to orthodox Arminianism. Most simply hold to Calvinism, but replace the monergistic regeneration with the more palatable synergistic one. I commend you for your zeal, Justin, but I think you ought to be in prayer and solemnity before you say that someone is rejecting the Gospel because they hold to their free-will. This isn't just a game or a concept that we entertain ideologically. This is the reality of Hell we are talking about, and the theological implications of saying that our Arminian brothers and sisters are going to Hell are so severe that not even the Apostle Peter ought to enter heaven as He did not understand the Gospel to be open to the Gentiles (see Galatians 1 & 2). Keep reading, praying, and singing, Brother. Speak with your pastor on this as well. Grace and peace from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@jyhoke]

You sir have created a false dichotomy in which men can be saved by faith in a gospel they do not even know. Faith is as it would appear that we agree a gift from God. Faith is not what saves us, grace is. Faith merely testifies to the grace received. If a man does not know the gospel, it is impossible for that man to have faith in the gospel. No one is saved by their doctrine however doctrine is the biblical means by which we are to evaluate ones claim to be regenerate as we cannot know the heart and are only able to judge by externals. John tells us that the one who walks in darkness while claiming to have fellowship with the God of light is a liar and the truth is not in Him. He was not teaching that men are saved by their doctrine but rather that a man's doctrine can testify whether or not such a man is saved. You are touting very common but unbiblical view which affirms the salvation of Arminians despite the fact they they clearly believe in and teach works salvation. 2 Church counsels condemned semi-pelagianism as Heresy, the counsel of Orange and the synod of Dort. I would recommend that you spend some time with the cannons of Dort. As it appears now you are strong in presenting the popular opinions of men, but I would recommend you reconcile your position with the Word of God. You desire to call Arminians "brother and sisters in Christ" while I am convinced they need to be evangelized for their lay people believe a false gospel and their teachers are under the anathema of God.

[@Really0h]

Sir, I have read both of those councils and their verdicts several times. I'm not saying that these systems in themselves are not heretical, but most Arminians betray their own systems without knowing it. Very few Arminians believe that they saved themselves. They may believe that they chose to have faith, but they don't believe that they saved themselves. Like I said, they betray their system of belief. Faith is more-so the internal sign to a person of their salvation. The outward sign that tells others is their works and their love for one another. Neither one of us are in this video or the people whose salvation is in question. Arminians for the most part believe that Christ crucified, died, and risen for their sins is what saved them, and until an individual says otherwise either verbally or by the lack of good fruit, I am inclined to treat that person as regenerate, though not entirely correct on soteriology. I am a 'Calvinist.' I battled through the same thoughts of this. I know it seems as though I'm trying to be all ecumenical here--trying not to step on toes at the expense of God's Word. I know that what you think I'm doing here, and I get that--I've been through that as well. But please, for the love of the body of Christ--the very Bride that He died for, read, study and pray extensively on this. Please speak with your pastor on this. You told me to look up councils, so I assume you read church history. Please, read the countless works of faithful, reformed churchmen that God has gifted to the body, and see what they have to say about Arminians: yes, they're wrong, but no, they are not hoping in a false gospel. (Some people such as: C.H. Spurgeon, A.W. Pink, Abraham Kuyper, Theodore Beza, etc.). I know you may be convinced, but ask yourself this: are you more correct than all these churchmen that have studied much more than you? I know that is certainly one of the arguments that had me turn when I was struggling to believe that Arminians could go to heaven.

[@klohitman]

When someone buys someone a house as my analogy stated you are not involved in that transaction. That is between God and Jesus. My analogy is sound once the transaction took place mankind was offered houses if they choose to accept the free gift. Jesus died for all mankind to argue against this is to argue with the Bible. The debt for each person is not lifted unless the decide to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. If you have not done this your gift is on the table accept Jesus and take it.

[@HealingWord_Psalm107-20]

This is a beautiful and true song. Lord, have mercy on us and forgive the Calvinistic haters. Amen.

[@DanielandDebbyGarratt]

You need the doctrine of free will so you can make the people works dependant so that they are then impressed by your show of "godliness". That annoying doctrine of the sovereignty of God keeps getting in the way of people being impressed with me because they keep praising Jesus for MY GODLINESS!