OHC Live Ep 62 Emma Donohoe - M.E. and me

[@michaelfortune9997]

Thank you so much for sharing this. Here I am, sat in my garden, again.. Another day goes by, another day of me doing my thing. Day after day, week after week, month after month. These stories are so powerful to me, to remind me of the inevitable future outcome that I'm working towards. My dream, my fantasy.. For now. Many thanks :)

[@michaelfortune9997]

Thanks for putting this on KZbin too, Alex. Keep them coming :)

[@evelinel.9827]

The tools OHC uses for anyone interested is EFT (tapping) and the "Stop Process" (to stop stressful thought patterns once you have identified them). When our nervous system crashes and we feed it the right nutrition and rest our bodies, it is our mind that is still spinning out of control "tired and wired." DNRS calls it a brain injury--a limbic impairment. There are different ways to describe the brain being stuck constantly activating the "fight or flight" response. Now that I have been using these tools on my own recovery I see how any unprocessed emotions and disempowering thoughts whatsoever causes a momentary feeling of dis-ease in my body (the sympathetic nervous system ("fight or flight response) is being turned on with these thoughts, the more this is happening the sicker we are). This is difficult to even comprehend that one thought like "how will I ever manage this, how am I going to cope taking a shower today" (disempowering thought) is not good for my body. Accordingly, accepting and feeling all my emotions with EFT and accepting all my thoughts and reaching for more empowering ones has helped me immensely. This process is just about allowing everything that is, accepting it all and being ok with it all, with this mind frame the ultra, ultra, super-sensitive system slowly calms down. We don't have to be perfect as we are humans, but as the average person thinks something like 50,000 thoughts a day, we need to slowly produce more empowering thoughts (not Polly Anna fake positivity thoughts as the body knows those are a lie). I would have never understood this before getting this illness but since I can feel every even somewhat negative thought as pain/illness I now understand that thoughts and emotions are a biochemical process (fight or flight stress response) that affect our battered nervous system adversely. I am on my 2nd recovery after 2 years of illness and now improved 25% in 6 weeks (now I see how I recovered to 80% last year as originally but the problem was I was doing so many things for recovery I didn't know how I did it) and healing has really speed up the past couple of weeks as I have more of handle on this, first it was just a lot of crying (with EFT and without EFT, just crying without attaching a story to the tears) and accepting how sad I had been the past 2 years (and had unprocessed sadness and other emotions from before becoming ill also even though no big traumas). Food, supplements, etc. can be a distraction, the basic ME/CFS diet (no gluten, no dairy, no sugar, no caffeine, no additives, organic foods, omit foods that irritate) is sufficient. Work on the mind!!! Addition added on 7/1/2018--I am literally healing ever day and 9 days after writing this feel even better.

[@evelinel.9827]

I loved Eckart Tolle and loved his message intellectually, but it is Mooji that allowed me to embody the feeling of Presence. This video was life changing to me, kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZ2UlKOcZtR2grc

[@evelinel.9827]

FYI-- I have recovered about 25% in the 6 weeks back on a recovery based on the findings discussed above which were a lot of the tools I recovered with to last year to 80% but last time I did so many things it was a big jumble of what really worked. I have done NOTHING else but accept and feel my emotions with EFT and continue to tap at anything and everything that I am the teeniest bit bothered by as anything I am not fully accepting is causing an issue in my body. I always have the choice to do something if I can , or maybe I don't have any choices, so either of those two things can happen or I just need to let the issue go. My house is quite dirty, if it bothers me I can get a cleaner or not (I have the money), or just do things bit by bit, but being bothered just hurts me physically so there is no point. I apply this self-inquiry to anything that is bothersome. Ok, it is not fun this illness takes to long to heal--what are the options? The option is not recovering, so I will take a slow recovery and learn every last thing from this process!!!

[@evelinel.9827]

Oh, I don't use the "stop" process I identify stressful thought patters in my thoughts, tap on them, and then if I can't get them to go away I just do my best and then accept them and find they lesson and eventually go away. Any Stop Process if used correctly is a quicker way to halt these thoughts that cause symptoms but this works for me.

[@sagel4940]

Hi Evaline, Would you be willing to give me your email? I have also tried multiple programs like the Gupta and now I am following the medical medium protocol. I'd love to learn more about your EFT process of learning as I've tried to get started with that but haven't had much success. I've had CFS for over 5 years and I know that people who catch it sooner have a higher recovery rate. So I'm always looking for ideas and it sounds like what you're doing is working so I'd love to learn more if you are willing. My email is [e-mail].

[@evelinel.9827]

You may want to start with Faith Canter on KZbin who credits lots of her recovery to EFT and has lots of simple videos on EFT and she talks about it in her recovery videos. Also The Life Clinic. Those two channels last year keyed me into EFT (tapping) as these women both recovered from CFS with EFT and are lovely and credible. FasterEFT channel has lots of recovery stories also for fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. And even just search "me/cfs eft tapping." It is the type of thing that without understanding what I wrote above about how emotions and thought are biochemical functions than stress our depleted nervous system, one would think that EFT tapping is a scam or something as a healing modality for CFS. EFT allows allowing ourselves to think of something that upsets us, makes us angry, etc. and when we allow ourselves to feel the emotions in the body (emotions are a function of the body not really the mind which I did not know before) and accept our emotions, and then let them go which is a really easy process, it really calms the system! There are so many videos on tapping. Also, you may want to read Sasha Allenby's book "Joyful Recovery" about her recovery from CFS with EFT also Annabel Fisher who has a KZbin channel also recovered with EFT and wrote a book, "The Healing Game: Transferring Chronic Illness Using EFT." I have been using Nick Ortner's book on EFT for pain which gives a good way to go about the process of what to tap on and has helpful recordings that are connected to the book. I have researched way too much on how great EFT is, I should have just tapped on everything!!! You can learn it really in 10 minutes with any video. Learn get motiviated, then just tap any time anything bothers you more than just a little--just navigated the easiest day can be difficult, any frustration or thoughts like "what if I don't recover" that disempower you, tap on. I was never a very jealous person before this illness and I hate that I am jealous now of people (who can do things). Why do I hate this? Now I tap and allow myself to be jealous if that is how I feel and then I let it go!!! I was taught it wasn't nice to be jealous, so my mind rejects that immediately and makes me feel badly, but I should not feel badly, I am human, it is all ok!!! Once I allow myself to be jealous for like 5 seconds, I can let it go, why feel badly about myself over a human emotion? This is what tapping helps you with--get out of the old conditioning that does not serve us!!!

[@lisakaylanemorris]

I ve been ill for about 2 years now... Pots and crps and hypothyroid and arthritis.... I have had a few days here or there where I felt recovery was possible and I felt somewhat better and I did eat stuff I shouldn't and I did push myself to go out and do things only to crash again.. Sometimes for days sometimes for weeks. This video really gives me hope to stick to the course no matter how slow. I definitely seem to have improved overall since the initial crash.. Thanks for sharing ☺

[@kathystoner5239]

Great video! I can't wait to get where Emma is!

[@rachelstevenson9659]

Thank you for that! I really resonate with the bittersweet thing - making progress can actually be so hard, because when you see what you've been missing whilst you've been so cut off from the world, you just want that all now! I must say I found the documentary a hard watch because it didn't include any recovery stories, and I remember saying to my mum "but how did she get better and why isn't she saying?!" I'm delighted to hear it was OHC as I'm being treated there, but why didn't you say in the documentary? Is it because it would have been advertising?

[@TheOptimumHealthClinic]

Hi Rachel - Emma has been open about discussing her methods if you want to send her a direct message on twitter. It's more that it's a very complicated answer and not easy enough to say in just a few sentences!

[@homily258]

I've just seen your Newsbeat exploring ME. Would or could this be true; something is really impacting the nervous system after initial illness/trigger, or is there a vaccination link ? I was wondering if a resistance between some vaccinations then having a viral illness that the two (or more things) are dancing madly to cope as the body isn't coping with any strategy (like vaccination keepin illness at bay). Does this make sense ?

[@alanencinasmartinez4277]

Psilocybe mushrooms help a lot. Also chaga and Reishi mushrooms

[@heretoday788]

I really liked Emma's documentary. However, it did not stress enough just how under-funded the illness is. Her recovery is worth celebration, and recovery rates for young people with ME are known to be much higher than for people who acquire the illness in middle-age and beyond. The science is evolving and I hope that Emma is able to track and report on it throughout her career.

[@tessgirl383]

I spoke to the OHC & that’s not always true I’m 53 & got ME from corona & they have people recovered

[@heretoday788]

@@tessgirl383 - You cannot be DX'd with ME until you've been sick for 6 months. Did you get it in January?

[@tessgirl383]

Jay Jar post viral fatigue can become ME after 3 months .

[@heretoday788]

@@tessgirl383 - The IOM and Australia both state 6 months. I've only see the ME Association in the UK state otherwise. FWIW - I hope you don't have ME, but physicians in the NHS use the Oxford Criteria. The community has been fighting the over-inclusivity of the Oxford Criteria for many years. So, yes, one uses Oxford Criteria and can be diagnosed 3 months out, I'm sure there is recovery as the patient likely didn't have ME to begin with. It's an old and hashed out debate. The general knowledge is that about 50% of young people recover. Only about 5% who acquire the illness as an adult recover. It's common for people with PVFS to recover within a year. My best wishes to you.

[@tessgirl383]

Jay Jar that’s because they only count the ones they know have ME in the study . A professional ME says many may have got better without us knowing . Many who work with ME pts here say their is not any age barrier . The ME ass are doom ! I’m 53 & i will get better !

[@jofollini3480]

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