Extreme Polyrhythm, Coordination & Speed Techniques | Alex Cohen & Ramon Montagner

[@FernandoCuadro]

Finally ramon should appeared in drumeo like 10 years ago, he is on a whole another level, literally, and deserves to be among the very best.

[@LeandroOlavarria]

Los hermanos brasileros son los reyes de las percusiones! Nadie, absolutamente nadie los supera. Siempre admiré a sus músicos. Saludos desde Argentina 🫂

[@DimitriFantini]

Ramon has more grace in one hand that I have my entire body!! And Alex Cohen has developed his polyrhythmic coordination further than I thought possible! Hugely proud of both these guys :)

[@JigsHidalgoMusic]

LESSONS. Just joking! good to see you here!

[@DimitriFantini]

@@JigsHidalgoMusic hahahah nice try!! 🤣

[@johelectrix7927]

There we go

[@RamonMontagner]

thank you Dimitri! 🥁🥢😘🙏

[@andreimatheus9306]

​@@RamonMontagnerIncrível, Ramon. Sua técnica e musicalidade são "top notch" como os norte-americanos dizem. Uma inspiração!

[@tormento_666]

man ramons dynamics and sound is just 🤌🤌👌👌 beautiful is an understatement

[@hbaboris]

I was lucky enough to watch Ramon playing Jazz on a small pub nearby my city... we have amazing drummers in Brazil once we have a lot of different rhythms in a single place....

[@SmangItDrums]

I’m incredibly proud to see these two on stage together. It was a pleasure working with Alex on notating and editing his new book with Ramon. Both of these two are ahead of their time with their concepts and techniques. Ramon’s grace and control in one hand destroy what I can do in my entire body, and Alex’s multi-limb independence and slide doubles on the feet are beyond exceptional. Great work, you guys!

[@AlexcohenNYC]

👊🤘🙌🙏

[@thelobster7277]

These guys need their own episode each, absolutely incredible and both very different styles

[@aylexmusic]

Two of my biggest inspirations in technique. Alex has some of the most insane coordination of any human being I've ever seen. I'm really hoping Ramon's popularization of push-pull revolutionizes the drumming community as a whole. Imagine if push-pull was taught in the formative years of the greats we know today!!!

[@PaoloGiovanoli]

Wait, _another_ Brazilian highly skilled drummer!

[@PeX218]

Yes, we have a ton of monsters :D

[@PaoloGiovanoli]

@@PeX218 Nem fala! Aquiles Priester, Bruno Valverde, Henrique Pucci... Isso só no metal! No piseiro tem uns caras brabos também como o Paraíba...

[@colmiaz]

Ramon's technique is crazy! No wonder Eloy Casagrande is a partner on his school, these dudes are drum monsters!

[@RamonMontagner]

thanks bto! Eloy is a monster! 🥁🥢😘🙏

[@davino108]

Alot of Thomas lang influenced as well as mangini

[@davidbalan6571]

Alex and Ramon put together an incredibly creative book that is sure to keep drummer busy in the practice year to come .

[@eletrobatera]

Cara, eu acompanho o Ramon a muitos anos, tenho um cajon signature dele, conheço as técnicas do pushpull a muitos anos, e é um orgulho enorme ver o destaque que ele ganhou, e ainda mostrando a riqueza do samba, bossa nova para outros estilos brasileiros... Parabéns Ramon...

[@BrandonToews]

You guys are crazy! Thanks for the great lesson, Alex and Ramon!

[@RamonMontagner]

thanks Brsndon! An honor to be there!

[@AlexcohenNYC]

You’re the best Brandon!

[@AlessandroCorazzaCA]

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one making a face like you at 13:00 -- watching these guys makes me feel like I only understood 10% of how drums are supposed to be played.

[@NickMach007]

This is mind blowing! Both of these guys are insanely talented.

[@MatthiasKnorrMusic]

Absolutely amazing, astonishing, creative techniques to see, hear and practice.

[@cassianobatera]

Que show o Ramon na Drumeo! Parabéns e sucesso em sua vida! Abriram a porteira dos bateristas brasileiros. Há muitos bateristas fantásticos no Brasil assim como o Montagner: Kiko Freitas, Lilian Carmona, Edu Ribeiro, Celso Almeida, Cuca Teixeira, Alex Buck, Erivelton Silva, Márcio Bahia, Nenê, Rafael Barata, Mauricio Zottarelli, Tutty Moreno, Rogério Pitomba... São só alguns nomes aqui no Brasil. Parabéns Drumeo!

[@bateroazul7]

Aquiles y Eloy ... Máquinas

[@NegoClau]

Tem que chamar o João Barone. Certeza que seria uma aula e tanto...

[@andreimatheus9306]

Gostaria de ver o Bruno Valverde e o Betto Cardoso!

[@PeX218]

@@NegoClauJoão Barone, com todo o respeito, está um patamar abaixo dos citados

[@NegoClau]

@@PeX218 Eu podia concordar com vc, mas nós dois estaríamos errados...

[@fixe6936]

This Ramon Montagner, ist just amazing. For me he is topping all the drummers known from the past. Probably now one of the best and most creative drummer in world.

[@yvesbgs1]

Hey Admin! Drumeo! Please consider bringing Kiko Freitas to this chanel. He is one the best drummers in Brazil, very important to us and the drumming community. He had classes with Dave Weckl and Dave himself recently talked about him. Absolute monster in polyrithm

[@JhonataBatera1989]

Ramon Montagner é uma referência pra mim e um orgulho para nós músicos Brasileiro. Obrigado por levar e representar a nossa classe no maior canal de bateria do mundo!

[@DrewMusicYT]

Go Alex! Between the limb independence and polyrhythm concepts, plus Ramon's techniques .. I think it's back to the practice room for me for a good few decades 😅

[@liamglasel]

Alex is one of the most underated modern drummers around, disgusting good technique, skill, speed and creativity. Truely someone who deserves to be at the front teaching 👏

[@rodrigolifestyle3024]

Nós bateristas Brasileiros estamos bem representados , parabéns Ramon, levando o ritmo do Brasil para o mundo.

[@RamonMontagner]

❤

[@ldsbatera]

Realmente é um grande orgulho! Que trabalho fantástico!

[@ssutton4455]

Man, a high speed camera would be a nice tool to add to the studio if you could pull the video off it fast enough for the live shows. This is a fantastic collection of ideas and I'd love to see the high speed on some of this to understand it better

[@c73mr0ck]

Amazing episode - I’ve been a major fan of Alex for many years and Ramon, just recently. Great work guys!!

[@jilips]

Both Ramon and Alex are absolute animals on the kit

[@JigsHidalgoMusic]

Ramon Montagner, finally! Thank you Drumeo!

[@10mortax]

Alex cohen. His freestyling is amazing in this video. I haven't seen him on any other videos and I don't really know either of these 2 gentelmen but they are blowing me away.

[@TomatePasFraiche]

Ramone’s (incredible) technique reminds me a lot of pick slanting on guitar when slight relaxed thumb and wrist movement and rotation combined will help you get through strings in full alternate picking, increasing your speed significantly

[@davidespinosa1910]

Absolutely -- the techniques are *very* similar ! Ramon wasn't talking about forearm rotation, but he clearly does it.

[@gabrielveloso6673]

Beautiful to watch...

[@10mortax]

Ramon montagner is amazing I could never do what he does with one hand.

[@syno9211]

This absoulety amazing, wow. Mind is blown. I love this type of sound and playing

[@_Helm_]

Stunned. I'm not even a drummer and the universe of textures and sounds by mr Montagner has me reeling. Extremely inspiring and I haven't even gotten to mr Cohen yet!

[@DavidCornejomusic]

Yay! Congrats to Alex and Ramon, this is awesome!

[@thenecessitarian]

Ramon is a living legend

[@CaeSharp]

Been waiting for this appearance. Drumeo and Ramon really make this push and pull approach accessible. Immagine knowing that this is possible as a beginner, and being able to practice this from the start! I think it will change drumming alot.

[@lajeanette33]

As soon as he played than on hand samba on the hats with clave accented i was hooked! Got to master that technique 🤯🤩

[@brandondrummechanics]

Incredible power and control from both. Loved this

[@taz9609]

FINALLY!!!! @Estepario watch and ducking learn!

[@Mulukkis]

Some mindblowing hand technique right here!

[@vhdrummer]

Always appreciative of any knowledge shared in the community thank you 🤝🏾🥁🙏🏾🤍

[@phils_fills]

Was lucky enough to watch Alex Cohen perform with Malignancy this year and talk to him afterwards. He absolutely blew me away with the controlled chaos that is his drumming and was such a nice person to talk to. He actually invited me to come backstage with him and grab a beer. Such an awesome drummer and a super friendly guy as well!

[@bobweber4140]

This was fantastic wow thankyou so much

[@wolowolowolo]

This Drumeo episode is absolutely amazing!!!!

[@Elwrt455]

I love this video! I used to play the cahone years ago

[@FLAMANGO12123]

I love Ramon he's a Brazilian like me but I'm just learning though!

[@kiqdrums]

Ramon is such a great master, always killing it! Also, would be great to watch Bruno Valverde here. ♥

[@FLAMANGO12123]

Wow! Outstanding, lovely as always Ramon, congrats my brother!

[@timmannchicken]

Ramon's explanation of the push/pull and side to side actually helps me understand how Estepario Siberano's technique, because he uses both of these styles.

[@jceedrummer]

Insane!!

[@Itsmetonyp]

Can y’all do a “Genius of Carl Palmer” video? He never gets the recognition he deserves in great drummer conversations.

[@gildevanalves3813]

Já pensou, as mãos do Ramon e os pés do Alex em uma só pessoa? Dois bateras do momento!!!!

[@davidhoffmann345]

He is called Thomas Lang

[@aMan-or9ij]

My favorite Drumeo episode EVER!

[@simondoAF]

Alex rules, great to see this finally out

[@jinshootingstar]

Alex, I'm so proud of you as a friend! Fly high, king!

[@AlexcohenNYC]

❤

[@vredeedam9194]

Insane, amazing that intro. What am i doing on my set? Learn. Nice to see such great possibilities and challenges

[@NegoClau]

Tá na hora de o pessoal da Drumeo fazer uma turnê pelas escolas de samba no RJ e em SP, de preferência trazendo mestres de banda de fanfarra pra fazer uma comparação entre esses estilos.

[@ultrafloss492]

I love this!!! Thanks very much!!

[@SammyMakepeace]

That was a sick solo by Alex, especially the hands over the flammed kicks section

[@SammyMakepeace]

I take it back, most of it was unreal and super fun to listen to despite how complex it must actually be on paper

[@AlexcohenNYC]

@@SammyMakepeacethank you!

[@AlequisLeiteBatera]

Ramon!!!! Ficou muito feliz ❤

[@elikebudi]

Love Drumeo Lives!

[@alopezdrums]

Ramon Drum-God Montagner finally on Drumeo - yeeeeeeeah ❤

[@versalgraphics]

To think that Alex got even better, like a lot better after his battle with the worst illness in humanity is insane

[@tommyleanza510]

Mind bending technique! Just amazing!

[@waguin7042]

Nobody's play samba and bossa nova so fast than Ramon in the world.

[@williamkjwilliamkj1815]

Nicely done! Wow!

[@rossalves-un6yb]

Two genius beats 💙💙

[@zacharyseibert4526]

Incredible.

[@brabadrums]

Parabéns Ramon!!!

[@IPseudolikianI]

13:17 i start shaking my body 😂😂😂

[@WxkR]

Well . . . the old debate: technique for the sake of music on the one hand, and technique for its own sake on the other. I do admire the limb independence Cohen has achieved but a lot of his playing sounds like calisthenics. Ramon plays music while expanding the technical possibilities of the instrument. A master.

[@aylexmusic]

TBF most of the stuff doesn't *directly* translate, but the indirect translation is what's important. Playing crazy stuff like patterns in 11 on the left side and 13 on the right or something isn't something you'll hear on the radio, but the contribution to limb independence something THAT mentally taxing provides is insane. He plays some killer metal drums in actual musical context.

[@WxkR]

@@aylexmusic I do not disagree, and think Cohen’s presentation would’ve benefited from a more musically contextualizad performance (a metal/progressive track as you mention). However, we could also be questioning Montagner’s push-pull technique applicability if he had not developed it to the point he has. Maturity is a big factor here and I’m not sure if it’s only bc Montagner has worked longer on his ideas or because he more consciously and explicitly links them to a rhythmic tradition. That aside, I see now a bunch of talented drummers working on the direction set by people like Harrison, Minnemann, and Hessler. Cohen is among them, so I do not see a contribution as substantial from him as the one I see from Montagner whose technical contribution is acknowledged even by the most accomplished Brazilian drummers. I can see his pull-push technique becoming a “requirement” for the next generation of drummers, regardless of genre.

[@crpope10]

So many grips!

[@dudeduder2006]

This is next level.

[@danielegruppioni1029]

Questi Fenomeni 👏sono nati... GIÀ Drummer!!! 👋

[@dicer250]

Никогда, ничего подобного не видел за всю свою барабанную жизнь!

[@mightydook]

Fuggin amazing 🤯

[@siemydi1]

Great stuff

[@jchope777]

Just WOW.

[@fredrikio]

I love the look on Brandon's face around 11m20s in. I think I shared the very same sense of awwwww in :D Thank you again for all the great content, Drumeo! Nothing else comes even close.

[@BrentonCant]

This is insane 🤯

[@Diegoopaula]

Ramon 😮😮😮😮🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@timsabepieczynski7051]

Awesome

[@ethancurtis4567]

Oh my god the awesome creative ideas u could come up with if all ur limbs could do fast 16ths n buzz rolls individually. I wanna learn this so bad, but my god the technique practice is painful when ur not even close 😂. Baby steps i guess😅. So inspiring!

[@adityatyagi4009]

All I gotta say ... holy fucking shit!

[@bismaarioseno9420]

10:13 holy moly

[@matthewabbott6263]

My brain just exploded 🤯

[@philipmorris57]

What a chancer ,he's making it up as he goes along 👏 😮😢😂❤

[@donnava2189]

Nuts!!! 🤯🤯🤯

[@_theporkchopexpress]

Would really love to see Rory O’Connor from Tycho on this channel.

[@tobiasralphdrums2758]

Soo ridiculous!!🤯🤯🤯

[@janzedwicksantos6015]

I also try using cahoon as my drum throne when I need to practice and my drum throne broke.

[@metallurgico]

this is super sayan level of drumming and THAT's the Danny Carey signature ride cymbal

[@bruford911]

13:15 hosts face represents us mere mortals

[@pttroe8142]

Holy shmokes! That was insane! How is that even possible. Back to 60 bpm for me.😂

[@julesdrums6167]

This shit is revolutionary

[@StuartJrBarrett]

Excellent video with plenty of vital information.

[@kafkaebrasileiro8475]

authism at its best

[@AlexcohenNYC]

I’ll second that

[@neaituppi7306]

I would imagine a drummer playing with two sticks in each hand. I didn't know if it could actually be done. 14:07

[@musicneurons7807]

Sounds like home. But with a liiiittle more suit and tie 🧐

[@matiasgastou]

This was amazing! Omg these guys are great! But please! Some WD40 on those pedals geez… so much squeaking 😅

[@MarceloFreitasbatera]

Monsters!