Dark Humor vs "Dark Humor"

[@robocatssj3theofficial]

crazy watching you take on three dudes at once.

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

@@robocatssj3theofficial It’s just like Bowl said in 22:14. We French have a lot of stamina.

[@caramelflann]

-Pls rephrase-

[@robocatssj3theofficial]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence your weakness is that we americans can insult you when you're asleep

[@robocatssj3theofficial]

@@caramelflann idk what needs rephrasing, the french guy had a lot of endurance to take three guys on full force for 30 minutes straight.

[@omegadadragon]

​@@robocatssj3theofficial I see you're leaning into the whole reason they said that which is honestly pretty funny.

[@beckycegg9767]

You know things are bad when a Brit and a Frenchman are actually agreeing

[@jeffsyndrome4812]

Really though.

[@francofernandes2006]

Russia: "Are we getting the band back together?"

[@doodlesyoru2108]

The British and French are a good team, but they don't get along well.

[@computergician]

@@doodlesyoru2108 Supertiminho dos britânico com francês! (Super team made of the french aaaand the british!)

[@Spider-Fan006]

I'm an American and we get along great with everyone except Russia Iraq North Korea and idk anymore governments were nice folk despite our stereotypes after our friends at France gave us the Statue of Liberty as a gift France helped us in our war against Britain in our early days and we helped Britain and France in World War II they're our friends and personally I'm quite thankful for that my sister visited Europe actually but I never did unfortunately but from what I heard she had a great time we Americans barely get along with Russia government especially here in 2022 when they invaded Ukraine those guys apparently will stop at nothing for conquest another reason why I despise Communism.

[@desudesudesu5326]

The fact that this is shown as being in a courtroom makes "*SPAMS RACIAL SLURS AGAIN*" while acting maniacally, hilarious.

[@robertlupa8273]

Also the weird "shaking" before each outburst. *RRRRRRRRRR*

[@10thletter40]

It felt very fitting

[@mabesmadness177]

Yeah FC is getting murdered while this just just BRRRRR the server

[@garibaldibritann1240]

Volkeh is actually E;R's version in Ace Attorney series

[@adsads196]

The irony is that the character Luke Atmey got caught admitting stuff by mistake in court so this is absolutely fitting

[@ReinhardMcKinky]

If a person can't find what's humourous about their own "joke", why should anyone else find it humourous?

[@mickael_guitara]

Because one could understand the joke, even if OP fails to do so

[@ReinhardMcKinky]

@@mickael_guitara Sure, but that's a matter of could, not should, which would be a responsibility/obligation to do so. FC realized this, and consistently called out by asking, what's the joke? Instead of allowing the focus to be on him being "offended," which was just a deflection.

[@mickael_guitara]

It doesn't really matter, if Volkeh was the one posting the paint joke he still would be an idiot, and the joke would still be a good one. Fuck Cares even said some jokes Volkeh posted were funny, but it's just spamming random shit he founds on the internet so he probably doesn't understand how are these really are funny or not. So, as for "why should anyone else find it humorous ?", it isn't a matter of "should" whatsoever, it is solely about if they have sufficient neural activity, thus if they can or cannot.

[@ReinhardMcKinky]

@@mickael_guitara Yet "should" is exactly what my comment was about. Now maybe you don't consider it as important/relevant of a point, but unless you want to take the position that others are more responsible/obligated to find what's humourous in what people say, than those who say it, then you're not really disagreeing with the comment I made. Maybe it's more of a priority to you, but given that many things are true at once, I'm not sure what the point of this is.

[@mickael_guitara]

I'm not saying receivers should take upon themselves the _duty_ to get the joke or not, but rather that depending on their intellect they would end up with different meanings of the same joke ("ahah black guy goes brrr" VS "abrupt and violent ending is a form of gallows humor"), IF this is a joke ; so unless OP came up with a very poor one *or* straight up racism like this is the case, thus I agree no one "should [...] find it humorous" as you said firstly, because there is no joke to laugh at. Maybe you meant it that way, then all I have said is nonsense and I appear to look like a madman lol

[@LeonineGoner]

Probably my favourite quote, ever: *_"My ego is no bigger than yours, the only difference is that i can knock you off your high-horse and you can't strike back."_*

[@nito575]

It's so badass and the fact that at that moment there was Franziska instead of Phoenix makes it better

[@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2]

"You found it funny because you thought it was funny" -Sun Tzu, The Art of War Someone engrave this into my gravestone

[@aerie1833]

@@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2 To wit, to woo - Some drunk owl

[@jermiah3014]

FC IS HIM

[@ze-dude2192]

I like debates and I wish I were in servers where I can really practice. This sounds exactly like something I’d say, and it’s definitely a good quote to use.

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

I love how he kept saying "gen z" as an insult as if spamming racial slurs in a discord server isn't the most 13 year old shit he could've done.

[@totallynotaferret]

As a 13 year old, incorrect. my memes are cringe, but not bigoted!

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

@@totallynotaferret as someone who used to be a 13 year old, avoid the "edgy" phase if you can. It's not fun looking back at those days lol

[@alexf225]

@@suicidalloafofbread2009 Sometimes you need to learn from your own mistakes.

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

@@alexf225 This is very true, but it's preferable to learn from the mistakes of others

[@ricardobr1493]

@@totallynotaferret Same here

[@Emperor-Quill]

Volkeh's primary defense mechanism really is just shitting himself and screaming like he's having a seizure, huh?

[@cpte3729]

It truly is the Nutshack

[@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit.]

Couldn't expect anything better from someone as tasteless; it wasn't a surprise at all.

[@ratskinnz995]

He argues like an eight year old who got his iPad taken away

[@fuckrenato]

@@ratskinnz995 and he's supposed to be 24 too lol

[@Im-at-yo-door]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@ratskinnz995 as someone who has an 8 year old brother who frequently gets his iPad taken, this is insanely accurate. 10/10 comparison

[@francofernandes2006]

The worst part about this discussions is that people never stop and read the arguments they mock you so much about not presenting.

[@lgbtqiarights]

edgelords aren’t the brightest, so it’s not too shocking that they didn’t consider what FC said. especially considering their stubborn personalities.

[@graywarden8340]

Then accuse you of writing an encyclopedia when you actually start explaining

[@runman624]

You always have to call that out before presenting so that you already have them corner on their hypocrisy

[@saracrysis2851]

It’s the sad truth, and honestly, like Bowl said, there’s not a lot you can do for people who are beyond salvation.

[@catpoke9557]

The fact they don't read it is why they are convinced you lack an argument

[@redlem00ns73]

The perfect joke here is being called out for “not presenting arguments”, while actively ignoring ENTIRE ESSAYS explaining your arguments

[@fridge9514]

"Source?" *shows source* "Pfft, I'm not gonna read that!"

[@ganicc4782]

I don't get why people request something from you and then get upset when you do what they asked you to. Like, you quite literally wanted this.

[@bonnietelocole6777]

Literally! "There they go, writing another Bible length essay!" *"Bible length essay"* "TL;DR. ... Where are your arguments?!"

[@f4bertaleixo]

@@fridge9514REAL.

[@MawdyDev]

"That essay doesn't prove anything because I can't read!"

[@10thletter40]

FC: Writes long examples to explain Valkeh: "He doesn't even explain" Also Valkeh: Doesn't explain, only insults

[@SynergyGaming112]

>writes essay that gets ignored >"lmao you dont explain"

[@HikaruCh.]

>writes and entire bible explaining >lol here he go again >"lmao he doesn't even explain"

[@accelmemory]

har har stupid Gen Zs amiright *monkey noises*

[@SpringDavid]

Actually is kinda funny that people usually say "too long to read" and then proceed to say "you didn't explain anything"

[@inaactivee]

@@accelmemory that totally effects my opinion har har har *more monkey noises*

[@danwjkco43]

"The subjectivity of humor lies within the RECEPTION of the joke, not the DELIVERY" is such a good line

[@thatoneneeko2131]

PRESENTATION

[@exudeku]

@@thatoneneeko2131 HE LACKS PRESENTATION

[@edwardcoello9168]

What

[@thisisanuncreativeusername2745]

“OH YOURE A VILLAIN ALRIGHT, JUST NOT A SUPER ONE”

[@magnumopus788]

Explain my brian dont work

[@user-garnet]

Them: *laughs at FC for “not elaborating”* Also Them: *laughs at FC for writing “a bible”* Imma just submit this to my English teacher as the new definition of hypocrisy

[@evil_yami]

they're just covering up all avenues of counterpoint so they can declare themselves the winner no matter the response. classic in online arguments.

[@beelieboo]

youre gonna get an A+

[@deuce5546]

This is literally every online conversation ever

[@Prodmullefc]

Fuck Cares: implies black people commit enough crimes to get shot at by cops but evolve faster running instead of evolving to commit fewer crimes Also Fuck Cares: humor police because of supposed racism

[@SneakyFirefox5]

@@Prodmullefc how tf do you evolve to commit fewer crimes? that’s called advancing moral society, man.

[@djdylan1987]

>"I'm not racist, it's just a joke!" >*Realizes he's losing the argument* >*Racial slurs*

[@Blue_Cubes_silly_animations]

Honestly, how was that dude 24? Bro started spamming racial slurs like he was PANICKING about losing the argument

[@cubebutpro298]

​@@Blue_Cubes_silly_animationshe lied about his age obviously

[@phobosdiscord5183]

@@cubebutpro298 Which would make it even funnier that he is trying to use gen Z as an insult because he would be well and truly in it

[@Tacomuncher59]

@@cubebutpro298nah funniest shit is that 24 is Gen Z too

[@cubebutpro298]

Amazing u all noticed that

[@sophiep2725]

Can we appreciate how, when faced with being banned, Bowl joked about it and willingly let himself be banned? Unlike Valkeh, who started making meaningless arguments and spamming racial slurs? Edit: Istanbul was Constantinople....

[@cseijifja]

The diference between a man smart enought to have fun with his character and a fucking edgy manchild , and quite posibly a bonafide racist.

[@dazai8879]

stan bowl

[@fm56001]

@@dazai8879 add a 'is' there,then its perfect

[@fm56001]

@@dazai8879 is stan bowl

[@samt3412]

@@fm56001 was Constantinople

[@Hectoreo]

A lot of it ultimately boils down to "That's it? That's the dark joke? That was just an offensive statement with no punchline!"

[@vincere4591]

“You’re just a dumb snowflake lol” *spams racial slurs mid-argument*

[@enterchannelname8170]

100% agreed. It's spreading like covid, and it's probably the worst it's ever been on Roblox. Like "Haha KKK=funny" like where the hell's the creativity?

[@KiraSlith]

Usually what they're reaching for is a meta-shot at the people who get upset at said joke regardless if the joke itself is funny, a "haha, stupid scream when I poke button". If you're left wing, think of the memes mocking right wingers getting reeeing at 3 impeachment attempts, or the memes about the Steele dossier, before it became more sad than funny. If you're right wing, any meme mocking literally everything and anything the left wing does these days. The point isn't the joke in itself, it's mocking the people who get offended by the subject of the joke. Thus why "Fuck Cares" is the real idiot here, at their core both are amusing for the same reason. The only difference is the starting point and how much effort went into it, and dividing them on some arbitrary form of "acceptability" misunderstands humor entirely And then you get the people who unironically think African Americans look like Orks, regardless if they're the type that go "lul 2 tru" or "reee stop makimg orkz bad ppl" they're both accepting an inherently racist and laughably inaccurate comparison as reality implying "PoC" might actually look like orks when, other than skin tone, they look like any other human on this gods forsaken planet. The greatest joke of all, played on tv bound sheep and anthropologists alike.

[@vincere4591]

@@KiraSlith Either I’m dumb, or you’re bad at proving a point, because I’m can’t completely comprehend what point you’re trying to convey here. I don’t know what left wing and right wing have to do with this (or what they mean), unless they can be used outside of a political context. Either way, it doesn’t matter Which “wing” you’re in, because humor made to offend people can be towards anyone, and it just has to be of something they usually have a strong opinion towards, or just heavily dislike. They don’t need to be directly against each other (I think that’s how left and right wing work if that’s the way you’re using them). Nonetheless, fuck cares is most definitely not the dumbass in this situation. If we’re talking about humor made to offend, Volkeh only used it as an excuse to stop fuck cares from labeling them as racist, or from talking as if they’d believe that stupid lie. Volkeh only made stupid contradicting excuses. Moreover, if 2 people are arguing, and 1 of them repeatedly yells slurs at the top of their lungs, you’re really not gonna side with them. If you are, then some of the conclusions nearing the end can be made about you as well.

[@wolfenstein652]

@@KiraSlith I could tell he was 18 by the way he was arguing. Not cause he was "offended" by it, but because of the way he was arguing. It had a logic to it and yet was so nonsensical as to be impossible to take seriously. There was a certain level of gatekeeping going on where he approved certain jokes based on whether or not they were funny to *him*. One is dark humor, the other isn't, simply because he finds them funny. He was trying to defend his favorite thing cause he thought the "sheep" who "didn't really get it" were going to ruin it. At the end of the day, there's just a kind of humor literally called "racist humor", and it is actually offensive and is only really to be used in specific company. It's not dark humor, or edgy humor, it's point blank racist humor. I'm a minority and friends with almost exclusively other minorities, not that it matters imo, but regardless, we tend to use it a lot around each other. There's just something about the absurdity of racial stereotypes that makes them fucking hilarious. But good god, I'd never use that to determine how I treat *real people*, nor do I think anyone in the video would. That's just fucking retarded. People are people, not stereotypes, and if you treat people as if they're stereotypes, then you're a bigoted racist asshole.

[@Skel_fgc]

I love that Bowl shows up, expounds dozens of prime “racist jokes” that are actually jokes, plants himself firmly on FC’s side, and then insults him again. Beautiful. Chaotic. Masterpiece.

[@rafaelc.8306]

Bowl is that jester character that helps you in your quest because it looked fun and man did that megamind joke pay off

[@Ardorstorm]

God I love bowl

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

And he actually finishes his entrance that everyone else forgot about by then

[@MrTheil]

What I love about Bowl in this video is that he essentially humiliated Volkeh by beating him at his own game.

[@heyyou9472]

@@MrTheil You simply cannot beat a master at his own game.

[@NoobsailerRBH]

Bowl: - Shows up in the middle of a conversation - Makes great references - Spits straight facts - Makes good jokes - Is against racism - Doesn't care that he's about to get banned - Makes more references - Uses his last moments on the server to go out like a champ - Refuses to take anyone's crap Be like Bowl.

[@megabladechronicles962]

Bowl was better at explaining his pov than Karen. He didn't need to write an essay that no one else would read or go into complex details about why certain jokes are not funny. He was straight to the point, which is the best way to debate through text

[@I_HopeThatNoOneHasThisName]

True AF

[@the11382]

Bowl is a person who grows on you. I'm not used to dark humor, not the clever kind, I didn't think it could be this way.

[@Dog.This_Identifier_Is_Shit.]

Bowl is that based troll that no one wants to admit

[@alivingamazonbox9370]

🥣

[@banaba5708]

spamming racial slurs in an argument is the real life equivalent of an ace attorney breakdown

[@lufsolitaire5351]

It’s always a sign of a win, first one to take it personal loses. You also took the L if you spam 😂🤡😂🤡 at an opponent. Certain types pretend everything’s a joke and they weren’t taking it seriously but everyone has a weak point to where they become a screaming child. Would they continue arguing with you if it weren’t that deep or winning an internet argument mattered to their ego?

[@omniscientbarebones]

@@lufsolitaire5351 You: 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@doctorprepologedyedeyadede3542]

It's just like if someone cheats or uses cheap tactics to win in a game, you win in the way of psychological warfare.

[@CnctCnpire]

@@lufsolitaire5351 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXvYe32Lm82XbqM

[@Frick8375]

@@omniscientbarebones L

[@Your_LocalWizard]

I guess you could say race jokes aren't just black and white

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

You know? I had the same joke in mind throughout the entire argument

[@dermitdog1699]

This joke is so corny, I heard a *badum tss* after reading this.

[@mylesobrien7477]

Badum tss

[@cameronb8988]

But your heart always knows what's right

[@protodot2051]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence you really should have pulled it out of you're still thinking about it a year later

[@alexk9642]

"I make jokes out of grim situations, you laugh at grim situations." Someone needs to put that on a poster, you cannot put it into better words.

[@MrTheil]

Or at least make a Gus Fring meme out of it.

[@heyyou9472]

We are not the same.

[@fartyrmartyr4789]

@@MrTheil 28:00 Gus Fring meme reference here

[@kaisu6061]

That line was something my friend told me when i used to be an edge lord I usually make mildly dark jokes in a circle of friends who are fine with it, and I'm glad that when i was an edgelord making jokes they corrected me when i crossed the line so now i know that saying "haha black people dead" isnt funny but just racism, now my humor revolves around making fun of people that have the so called racial slurs funny mindset

[@mosorireayewale2820]

@@kaisu6061 There are jokes about the police murder rate amongst black people that have been pretty funny (as a black dude myself lol) so 'blac people dead' could be funny. Literally anything can be funny if you told the joke well.

[@MizManFryingP]

"Now you're just name calling, FC." *Literally renamed FC to "Karen" mere minutes ago*

[@r.henryjr.1533]

Blatant deadnaming, these guys just keep getting worse!

[@beahgg]

@@r.henryjr.1533 frenchguy is trans¿

[@r.henryjr.1533]

@@beahgg Either way he is certainly french.

[@enzymcs2992]

joke​@@beahgg

[@endymonyt4268]

​@@beahgg not to my knowledge, it was just a joke about how deadnaming is essentially just calling someone the wrong name

[@mmgmagic]

This video reminds me of a popular phrase I saw on Urban Dictonary that was getting spread everywhere: *"Schrodinger's Douchebag - One who makes douchebag statements, particularly sexist, racist or otherwise bigoted ones, then decides whether they were “just joking” or dead serious based on whether other people in the group approve or not."* I feel it fits well here considering the conversation at hand.

[@blazerelease5960]

Amazingly accurate.

[@williamthe_birdwatcher3268]

So, a redditor

[@robertlupa8273]

Seems legit.

[@lmul1441]

So true, I have a friend like that. He made a proper racist comment once and when no one laughed and another friend said he was been an arse he played it off saying "it's just a joke".

[@AuroraVeil_]

I once called out a former friend for making an insanely racist joke and he claimed it was "just shock humor." Stopped talking to him that day

[@ErinDromeda]

"If the objective is to piss me off, why do you get offended by me getting pissed off" is just about one of the best mic-drop lines I've ever seen regarding this topic

[@whoopie8107]

Damn straight

[@extraterrestrialdood4087]

Damn

[@evancarpenter]

Also: “I make jokes out of grim situations, you laugh at grim situations. It’s not the same” WDamn

[@DatWingMan]

I was taken back by how well executed that comment was

[@eanschaan9392]

Bowl is an interesting personality. The biggest thing I think people forget about Bowl is that Bowl actually possesses an understanding of why some of the things he says are screwed up. The point is, he says them regardless. It is a persona, played up to 10. Bowl is best in settings where everyone knows Bowl and understands the concept of Bowl. TL;DR: Bowl is Bowl.

[@jettthorp9444]

I might miss the point, but if an important part of Bowl's humor is making fun of the concept of racists, because -and I'm not sure if this is correct- I'm pretty sure bowl isn't racist, I have a feeling he once said he didn't like a race because of something incredibly minor, and I found that funny because actually people actually do start to hate an entire race because of something minor thats entirely about an individual, and not about their entire race. It stands to reason that in a vacuum without racists, the joke isn't funny, and needs that context. And yes, it does also need the context that we're pretty sure bowl isn't genuinely a racist, he's a comic/actor. Again, maybe I'm off the mark

[@eanschaan9392]

@@jettthorp9444 Pretty much. Bowl is a character, made by the true Bowl.

[@crystal_shine-w6f]

@@eanschaan9392 "BOWL IS BOWL!" -Mr. Incredible, probably

[@ViolentVista]

Bowl

[@Tharzic]

Aw yeah

[@spider-uh5ws]

>Edgeworth walks in >"You are all wrong" > Refuses to elaborate. I wish that would happen

[@droidplant4961]

I like how bowl is on his side, not the black and white ones, he AGREES and respects you but he doesn't defend you directly

[@SetuwoKecik]

But usually that type tend to make enemies from the black and white sides. Tough yet honourable action.

[@droidplant4961]

@@SetuwoKecik one must make sacrifices when under pressure i guess

[@philipearakaki]

I feel like Bowl is more or less like a reel, hes perfomativelly comically bigotted, but probably a good person when outside of character, i feel like on his last moments, he was out of character.

[@droidplant4961]

@@philipearakaki bowl's character is inherently smart, i don't think you can get offended by his views on everything and he seems like a nice guy, the first comparision i thought of is goddamn sonic boom knuckles lol

[@CafeLiquerstreams]

@@droidplant4961 I read bowls jokes there and all I can think are, yeah these jokes are meant to shock you, he even threw in a good 'FR vs GB' Joke in there, it's a situation of you know it's a character when he's willing to kamikaze by words

[@theaviator1152]

Mod: “Don’t speak on behalf of black people!” *Mod the very next sentence:* “I have black friends in other servers and they wouldn’t get offended” 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@dandydanthedapperman7797]

They said “and they don’t get offended” thus it’s a testimony not a guess

[@supr_silly]

@@dandydanthedapperman7797 *wouldn't

[@PhysicallyAwake]

What pisses me off the most is that these ‘black friends’ almost certainly hold inherently racist beliefs against their own race which is exactly why they’re fine with literal racists doing the same. I’m afab, and once had a girl on my team make self deprecating ‘jokes’ about her own gender to try and conform to the mostly all ‘male-team’ which in actuality I was afab and my other friend was a girl and we basically carried the entire game. Just because she wasn’t good at video games, doesn’t mean every girl is, and the fact that people will use girls like her as an excuse to say sexist things to other girls, and then shit on said girls when they get offended, because I ‘know girls who are cool with it’ baffles me. These types of people only make it harder for those who just want to simply exist.

[@aravil2858]

@@dandydanthedapperman7797 how are these ppl the voice of every black person in existence its like saying i have two female friends that have a pain kink and i hurted them cuz they didnt mind so that means every girl shouldn’t mind. Ik it is a really weird example but that is all that came to my head

[@jire2376]

"wouldn't" means mod havents asked them yet~ i see a hole~

[@microwave8931]

They thought they nerfed him by naming him Karen. Instead, they awakened his full power.

[@taekoyasuhiro1573]

He is the good type of karen

[@Iskou307]

@@taekoyasuhiro1573 they're called girlbosses

[@FartSticksXDlol]

@@Iskou307 false most women are unfunny

[@FartSticksXDlol]

Their a new species

[@soup1901]

@@FartSticksXDlol what

[@waxenby8362]

How did Volkeh hit every single word on my "I'm losing an argument against someone with nuanced views" bingo card?

[@erisofterra8986]

Remember kids, the best dark jokes aren't racist, they are ABOUT racism :)

[@davipenha]

Is not easy to make dark humor and people will do wrong in the path of trying to get right

[@meowcow21]

That's not very politically correct of you. Please use the term "African American jokes"

[@Corviidei]

Yeah, like this! “How many police officers does it take to change a lightbulb? It doesn’t matter, they’ll just beat the room for being dark” See how it works?

[@erisofterra8986]

@@Corviidei TRUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SHIT

[@p0cket4rt]

@@Corviidei take notes ppl

[@MDzmitry]

"We don't speak surrender here, buddy." "Well, perhaps you should, because your stance on this argument is pitiful at best." And this right here, ladies and gentlemen, is the greatest burn of 2021. I honestly enjoyed your answer, it was just too spot-on. P.S. - Long live Bowl, he died for our sins

[@DukeMemes6047]

I also found the former line as ironic due to the fact that FC was actively not surrendering. This is also connected to the French stereotype of being cowards and running away because of having many (13?) words for surrender.

[@eagletgriff]

@@DukeMemes6047 the children have evolved

[@adraen5942]

@@DukeMemes6047 And I still have no idea where that particular "fact" comes from, as far as I know we only have one word and a couple of expressions, just like every language... But yeah, some people should really meet the french workers on strike before going on about "surrender"

[@alfa563]

@@DukeMemes6047 you could argue that the former line is accurate to the French as they were the most active fighters against the Germans during the second war

[@leirbag1595]

I also find funny how they pretend like their sense of dark humor is funny and not inherently racist, then their first instinct is to make a lazy bigoted joke at FC's expense

[@callmecharlie4250]

They say explaining the joke ruins it, but this right here, _god_ is it satisfying.

[@R41ph3a7b6]

On God. Explaining a joke makes it better.

[@Realhuman111]

@@R41ph3a7b6 not what they meant, I think.

[@giantpinkcat]

"Gen Z is so sensitive!" Ah yes, because a couple hundred ppl on Twitter represent an entire generation of millions of varying people.

[@TheKreature13666]

Make that a couple hundred thousand.

[@giantpinkcat]

@@TheKreature13666 Still doesn't compare to millions.

[@li0nna]

@@giantpinkcat oh wow i saw this comment just as you commented, weird

[@mayflooer5454]

@@giantpinkcat if i had to guess the figure it would be 1-2% (just taking this from some of the 1500+ students in my highschool) and you get a staggering 1.63 million(Get this figure by dividing pop of the USA by the % of gen zers in the world and multiply by .015, also this is talking about the people who act or have the same mentality as the ones on twitter and not the ones that actually use twitter)(1.5%) in the USA (specifically bc I really doubt there's any other country that have the amount of these specific set of gen-zrs as the US does)

[@mezzovii]

"gen z is so sensitive" *proceeds to get angry and tries to justify why they should be a dick instead of apologizing*

[@Rubyllim]

"He doesn't explain his humor" **has already typed two whole essays explaining his humor**

[@pancakes8670]

For real. I understand that not everyone wants to read Novels on the internet, I don't either. However, if I refuse to read a novel I at least acknowledge that I did not read their arguments. These people just refused to listen and then wondered why they were being called idiots

[@TheGoober019]

"why is he calling me stupid?" Also him: Too long didn't read

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

> >refuses to elaborate > in b4 20000 page essay Is he not elaborating or is he doing it too much?

[@noynayru]

@@jeezuhskriste5759 after he has already elaborated as well. also i love how this guy is literally a generic 4chan user

[@theendeeminer21]

And then proceed to call the explanation a "bible"

[@Junebuuuuugggg]

I will forever and always stand by the phrase “dark humor is not the same as offensive humor”.

[@grimmisareaper]

I will die on that hill if I have to. Let's be honest here, "haha lol sa" isn't funny. dark humor is not the same as offensive humor. And I love dark humor

[@nekoluxuria7721]

@@grimmisareaper always have a soft spot for dark and self deprecating humor. just the type of person I am but it is true, an offensive joke is a joke meant to offend someone, dark humor is a joke which makes fun of something that is inherently offensive.

[@grimmisareaper]

@@nekoluxuria7721 Exactly, I like to make fun of the blatantly wrong things, not the people being hurt by the blatantly wrong things.

[@Ghostofcalmaity]

Offensive humor is just saying “Omg twin tower go vroom vroom” Which is just stupid

[@LondonLock]

Hell even offensive humor has a way to do it...though i'll admit that normally either depends on pre existing friendship or commitment to a bit you cant really just go around making offensive jokes randomly Like yea make fun of a friend for where or how they where born that's funny cause of all things to make fun of a friend for you go for something so general (it also helps avoid getting too personal as some get uncomfortable with that) And if you can actually commit to a bit trough absurdist statement's it can work but you really gotta play up a character not just go around stealing other peoples stuff and you need to at the very least start with obvious absurdism. Sure they could be seen as offensive as they do require knowledge of either you as a friend or your bit and thus are best kept to more tightly nit groups

[@lilyblackburn348]

i have never respected a frenchman so much

[@mushmush4980]

The only problem with this is that one of the least effective ways of getting through to people, from what I've seen, is explaining everything they knew is wrong and how illogical they've been by habit. Nobody wants to be proven wrong regardless of how much they want to improve- which is why it only works if you're able to turn their own actions against them instead.

[@huesername7476]

This exactly. It isn't very easy to find people who will go "Huh, that's kinda weird. I thought I had it right. Well, thanks for the tip mate!" and go on their merry way when told that "What you've been doing for the past 5+ years is wrong. (Followed by a step-by-step explanation/guide on the topic they thought they were already well-versed in.)"

[@PeeperSnail]

Yeah, in this scenario, the best course of action was the way Bowl came in to talk. These people give zero fjcks as to whether or not what they say makes any sense, and they do not care for thought-out responses (as you can tell from how much they gave FC sh1t for "typing out essays"). What they DO care about is coming across as "cringe", as trying too hard. Bowl's disdainful and apathetic attitude makes these people feel like they're cringeworthy tryhards, THAT gets to them.

[@slavishentity6705]

@@PeeperSnail Makes sense. Manipulation- I mean education- I mean manipulation is all about using other people's fears and desires at your advantage. Said fears and desires can be different from yours.

[@blondie1583]

This is actually called backfire bias. Where when proven wrong the speaker becomes more attached to their argument or belief

[@ronanstephens1597]

@@PeeperSnail I think that's at least in part because they absolutely mean what they say and know what they're doing. To quote Jean Paul Satre: "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." FC can't get through to them because they know exactly what FC is saying but intentionally misrepresented the arguments because they're motivated to discredit those who call them out. Bowl's approach refuses to play this game and exposes them for what they really are. Engaging with Bowl risks undermining their ability to win over third parties with their propaganda which is what they really want.

[@EnzoPietro10]

">Kid's movies. Cringe" my man really insulted megamind like that and expects to win an argument?

[@MrTheil]

I think C.S. Lewis said it best ““Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence.”

[@iminyourfridge894]

I would say adolescence alone tho Kids don't care about being kids. (perhaps even proud) They find being "adult" boring or something

[@lockerbuddy2039]

Homie literally talks like a 4chan user. He lost the second he used ">" at the beginning of his sentence.

[@kaitlynboss3497]

Yeah, my man didn't really understand the difference between a kids movie and a movie for all audiences.

[@conan8819]

wall e 👍👍👍👍

[@Hutch2Much]

this really highlights the main issue: *maturity* people who don’t understand dark humor _aren’t mature enough on that subject to understand._ which is perfectly okay! not everyone has to understand dark humor; however, pretending that you understand when you don’t is not okay.

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

Ironically, they call you pretentious for explaining it, but defending their effective use of it when they don’t understand it is inherently pretentious.

[@maximumforce8275]

Also claiming people don't understand dark humor when you dont yourself is not ok. Not to bash you for your opinion or anything but some comments here seem to still not understand what actual dark humor is supposed to be so I'm just taking what everyone say with a grain of salt before contemplating their argument with my own to see what points they made that actually are good and I should consider changing mine to.

[@forwantofapage6059]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence Explaining the joke will almost always be pretentious because it means you think that the other person isn't smart enough to get it, and you care enough to try to make them get it. And sometimes you're right and they really aren't smart enough to get it. Which is pretentious to edgy "humor" boys who go "i can say whatever i want cuz it's a joke and if you don't laugh you're being too sensitive"

[@michaelbilotta1567]

@@forwantofapage6059 If they clearly didn't get the point as highlighted by some of their statements or you have been asked by someone to explain the joke as they didn't understand it, that is not pretentious. You aren't pretending to be superior to them by explaining that joke.

[@upsidedownpeter5939]

​@@frenchbaguetteintelligencethis video's existance is inherently pretentious

[@Mas-cm6cy]

22:03 HOLY SHIT THIS MAN JUST DID EVERYTHING AT ONCE! roasted the hell out of FC, the French, the british, And everyone in the server Complements the french and FC. Proved FC's Point right, white annihilating the other "Points" AND put himself on a different level using a joke as a way to inflate his "Ego" Man putting Shakespear to shame with this goddamn wordplay

[@georgemarceau3771]

"it is much easier to win an argument with your fists than it is with the pen when it is against the french" went so hard.

[@1234tntom1234]

Honestly Godot saying “you can’t even be fucked to justify your answer” really makes me think Ace Attorney would be considerably funnier with casual swearing

[@TotalHuman]

True

[@voidcatling]

Got the line in video as soon as I read this comment lol

[@sorchara9119]

i was super super into dark humour for a while when i was like 15. and then after a while one day i just kinda looked around myself and said oh. these people arent joking. idk if they mean what theyre saying literally but there is no joke. they're just saying racist things and slurs. i managed to pull a few friends out of that surface level aesthetics shock humour pit of stupidity, and i managed to lose a few friends along the way too. i think i made the right call and i dont regret any of it.

[@leirbag1595]

That's the downfall of the anti-sjw space in a nutshell. Good on you

[@sneakylilguy]

Same. I'm an Asian, Muslim, and a girl and you can imagine all the eating dog, bomb, and "go back to the kitchen" jokes I got. I thought it was all jokes, until I realize they were laughing at me, not with me, and there were actual prejudice in their "jokes".

[@areoants9453]

@George Floyd Hindsight is 20/20.

[@jonathan45564]

“Two men walk into a bar. One says “Nig-“” Haha funy jok

[@requiemlul3140]

@@jonathan45564 That does sound like a good beginning to very funny joke if it’s executed well.

[@RedstonPhysics13]

"His freedom of speech allows him to say what he wants" "Not according to the sixth server rule..." Fuck man, that got me

[@maroontiger1361]

People are entitled to free speech, but that speech is not free of consequence. Nor are people entitled to a platform for that speech. If you think free speech is a free pass to say anything, you will get the bonk stick.

[@redtailarts101]

People forget that platforms like Twitter, Reddit, and Discord Servers are global platforms: anyone can use them. Therefore they can have whatever rules they want, and no governmental laws can tell them otherwise. You don't have free speech in a discord server, unless there are no rules as to what can and cannot be said in the server. You can't say whatever you want in a KZbin video or on Facebook because both of them have a strict set of guidelines that you have to agree to in order to use the app. If you don't agree, you don't get to use their services. That's why it's called "Terms of Sevice." You have to follow their rules or you won't be allowed to participate

[@tylerian4648]

@@redtailarts101 Not quite right. Global companies like those risk being banned in countries with stricter speech laws if they don't abide by them. Of course there's always VPNs etc. to bypass that, but governments can attempt to regulate these businesses at the risk of them just not operating in their country.

[@ryanhernandez8324]

What is the sixth server rule

[@obese5094]

@@ryanhernandez8324 no bigotry

[@Rrrbril4]

Hi there! I'm a child who just stumbled upon this, and i watched the video. This is probably a really big problem going on in a lot of places in the community, and I think that it's wonderful you adresssed this kind of topic for other people, possibly like me, to be aware. I was never one for dark humor, mainly cause i never found it truly humerous, but this is a good example of great comedy, and possibly the problem with how dark humor is presented nowadays. I had no idea what else to write so.. Thank you for introducing me to the wrongs so i can never follow their ways. -Grace.

[@mesotolioma5089]

I'm gonna be under your bed

[@victorvirgili4447]

The duality of man

[@whereismycup]

I like the essay, I’m not supposed to grade it but from a quick overview it’s really good!

[@Seinsmelled]

ligma

[@Rrrbril4]

I forgot this essay even existed what 😭

[@foxygamerxdyt7356]

"Usain Bolt is proof that black people are evolving to outrun the police's bullets" jajajajaj that was gold

[@mabesmadness177]

For me I didn't find it as funny as funny though i kinds get it

[@laurelyn]

Well it's a good joke, but a less funny one as others can be... Yes, I believe a joke can be good yet not funny.

[@mrepicdood9953]

@@laurelyn Even if you don’t laugh, it’s something to think on.

[@eddie-roo]

@@laurelyn yeah, that’s the whole deal with dark humor. It’s not inherently funny since the subject is tragic, but it can still make you laugh since laughing is a coping mechanism

[@woollypar353]

@@laurelyn That basically sums up my view on it

[@tetitous]

As a wise person once said: Dark humour is not about putting the weak down, it's about putting those in power down by making them believe you're on their side. (yeah, no I forgot the quote, but that was basically the point)

[@Miccolo321]

Son: "Dad, what's dark humor?" Dad: "See that man over there with no hands? Ask him to clap" Son: "..But I'm blind"

[@MfwPrivate]

THIS. this is dark humor. It's offensive? Maybe. It's smart? Definetely. It's funny? Probably. My man, you just made the perfect dark joke

[@hangfire5944]

@@MfwPrivate i dont really understand the joke. could you explain it for me

[@yohtaoken]

@@hangfire5944 This is my “reception”, so it can’t be objectively correct. I think it’s a good dark humor joke because it subverts the father-son dynamic. The father is supposed to help his son with his question. The father, understanding dark humor, tries to assist his son by requesting him to perform an action that his son obviously can’t do. While he should know that his son’s condition is tragic, he is technically trying to teaching him dark humor. His son just happens to be part of the joke.

[@hangfire5944]

@@yohtaoken oh i get it now. thanks

[@requiemlul3140]

@@hangfire5944 *bad explanation incoming* The father tells his son to ask a man with no hands to clap. This is obviously impossible, and that makes it funny because it’s offensive but also clever. Then we find out that the son is blind, so he can’t actually see the man with no hands, that means his father was demonstrating dark humor by making fun of his disability without actually being mean and simultaneously making fun of another person without being mean.

[@Delkagu]

The amount of times i have seen people just spamming racial slurs to prove their point is hilarious

[@mranderson9553]

its almost impressive how they didn't counter any of your arguments, usually someone counters a general argument and you have to go deeper to prove them wrong but they just kept on bring new arguments (and old ones) that just kept getting disproved

[@regalblade8171]

I believe that is because they never bothered to read his thorough explanations yet demand him to give them a thorough explanation

[@blairkilszombies]

I've head this tactic called "never play defense". If one person is responding with paragraphs and the other is responding with short statements, who do you assume is in control of the argument? The issue is, if one person is making "short, quippy and wrong" statements, and the other actually has a handle on the topic, it can be hard for uneducated observers to discern who's winning. However, this shit is ridiculously unconvincing in a conversation. It can be somewhat difficult to tell when someone is pivoting off individual points, but it's pretty easy to tell when someone hasn't addressed a single one of your points after 15 minutes.

[@midasvijfwinkel6116]

@@blairkilszombies and I think that's a problem almost exclusive to online communication. In a real conversation you pick up on this principle in a heartbeat, but there's a factor that makes it infinitely harder online. Not sure what it could be though: my guess is people just not taking everything that's being said in?

[@36cowboysintotalatramranch]

@@midasvijfwinkel6116 the factor is you can't see the shit-eating grin when someone is actively sabotaging the conversation.

[@StomeAura]

They weren’t even defending themselves, they either made a different point to dodge the question or just plain insulted him.

[@Warsmith_The]

That guy's constant use of greentext formatting outside of 4chan was unbearable.

[@thementalorder1233]

Actually, it would explain a lot of things, specially from where the edgyness comes from.

[@hwanniggles187]

@@thementalorder1233 the fact a grown ass man is acting like that is pathetic. Ironic he kept calling FC a snowflake when this man is a straight up degenerate

[@burushifudara]

*colorblind and using glasses with orange crystals* green text?

[@joshgroban5291]

>use 4chan once >Unable to talk outside of green text and racist memes >Someone please help me

[@Gacha_gays]

@@burushifudara do you not understand or are you making a joke? I can't tell

[@ironici]

FC gets Karen'd and just keeps on going. Mad respect for you, this conversation looks incredibly difficult to maintain

[@robertanderson9447]

I think my favorite bit of this video is that despite everything, you still kept them changing you to "Karen" and presented it in a funny way. Yet despite the fact it was meant to mock you, "Karen" ended up being a force to be reckoned with, much like von Karma. You wore the persona almost like a badge of honor as the opposition continued to break. Also the slight character development when Baxter kinda starts listening to you, and quietly bans Volkeh. That took me by surprise.

[@assailant8722]

Another important element of dark humor that wasn’t touched on is surprise. What makes offensive jokes funny is that you have to take a moment to go “…did they seriously just say that?” The shock of hearing something you definitely shouldn’t have heard can be funny. However, there are two considerations. The first is audience. Being a dick isn’t funny. Being a dick around people who see humor in being a dick humorously is. When you make offensive jokes, you need to know your audience. It can be fun to make dark jokes when you’re around a bunch of friends who see humor in that kind of thing, but EVERYONE has lines that shouldn’t be crossed. Some have more stuff behind that line than others, but everyone’s got them. It is YOUR responsibility as the joke-teller to not step over that line, not their responsibility as a listener to adjust that line for you (barring certain situations where you establish ahead of time that jokes will be offensive, and a sensitive individual chooses to stick around anyway.) Two is frequency. As I said before, like almost all humor, dark humor comes from subversion: something taboo being suddenly brought up and made light of. When you do it ALL THE TIME, you not only take away the surprise (which, as you said in the video, leaves only the quality of the joke itself to stand alone), and you also establish a pattern of behavior that… doesn’t look good. I used to be the kind of person to make dark jokes all the time in my teens. Not quite as bad as these jackasses, but still excessive. My opinion on dark jokes hasn’t changed, but my usage has. Dark jokes are now like a fine wine to bust out on a special occasion than a cheap drink to bring out to break the silence.

[@snug0191]

YES I was just about to say this! A dark joke can be as simple making fun of someone, but it has to be set up right and used sparingly for shock value. The problem with these guys (in my eyes) isn't that their joke is black people bad. Its that they lost the set up. Their in so many layers of """"irony"""" that their just being racist and programmed to laugh.

[@prest01]

i also did dark humor a lot back in the day, never talked about race though because that was my own personal line at the time (bars). most of them were just making fun of other ridiculous issues in america... they were still bad jokes tho

[@eagerinspirit]

@@snug0191 MOST BASED COMMENT

[@terrakage4462]

Yes. But at the same time. The person MUST make clear what type of jokes they aren’t okay with. No one is a mind reader. If I make a joke, I am not going to have the foresight to think “you don’t like black jokes, she doesn’t like police brutality jokes” and so on. The listener must establish what jokes makes the uncomfortable so the speaker CAN adjust accordingly. While it is the speaker’s responsibility to adjust their jokes accordingly (unless it’s a room full of people, in which case it up to the listener to back out if needed. Comedians can’t satisfy everyone.), it is a listener’s responsibility to set the line so the speaker has a good idea of where not to cross. Without the listener making that clear or having any signs of them not liking it, there is no way for the speaker to adjust the line knowingly.

[@woooweee4898]

Man, being black on the internet in 2021 is an experience. You have people who support you and you have people like him who find your existence inherently funny just because you’re black also because HAR HAR LE SLAVERY AND POLICE BRUTALITY FUNNY BECAUSE IT JUST IS! I used to be a fan of this shock humor but I came to realize I didn’t find it funny at all, I was just gaslighted into tolerating it, then after to be used as the token black friend in the argument that “ isn’t offended so therefore it’s ok “. It really makes me think of that I could be the next guy killed on the street and then have poor quality ifunny memes made about me mocking me and my family, really puts things into perspective imo.

[@Prodmullefc]

Just don't do criminal activity and you'll be just fine. no one wants to shoot people who obey the law.

[@blkpplareabsolutelygorgeou1691]

I understand the feeling aswell, this especially happened to me in school and online aswell.

[@woooweee4898]

@@Prodmullefc Not really, this reminds me of a story my father told me when I was younger. He went to Alabama before I was born with my older brother and my mom. For context my dad is a big black guy and he was driving, some white guys pull up to him in their truck and say that “ people like you aren’t welcome around here. “ then my dad said “ listen all I’m interested in is going home seeing my wife, opening a beer and scratching my ass. “ afterwards, he promptly pulled off. Around few days later my dad saw the guy again with one of his buddies and one of the guys asked “ what’s that nigga doing over there? “ the other guy replied “ oh that’s ( my dad’s name ) he’s cool. “ and they would used to say hello to each other every time they’d see each other. TLDR : basically people will say/do racist dribble even if you aren’t doing anything wrong my dads story isn’t dramatic but he could’ve gotten hurt if he wasn’t calm about it.

[@perspicacioussimpleton7288]

@@Prodmullefc You do realize that prejudiced murder will not account for the victim's morality, right? The whole reason why people die in these situations is because of prejudice and premature reaction to a presumed threat. Law abiding citizens have died at the hands of police, including children. Like, it's lovely advice to remain in line, but sadly won't amount to much in an actual situation.

[@commanderblargh6300]

@@Prodmullefc Oh, just don't act out of line, *it's not like the cop's just going to be racist* or anything, assume they're a poor person by default that they can oppress and brutalize them for literally existing, and suffer literally no retribution for it because the police is freaking corrupt.

[@kikiretzorg1467]

“Objection! Your honor, the prosecution’s witness is literally using racial slurs!” “Overruled, Mr. Wright. I have black friends.”

[@youcantbeatk7006]

Boohoo someone said the hecking nono words. Grow up.

[@kikiretzorg1467]

@@youcantbeatk7006 Why grow up when I could _THROW UP_ (Has a grotesque slimy birth of cactuses out of my mouth)

[@giantpinkcat]

@@youcantbeatk7006 L reply

[@littlemoth4956]

@@youcantbeatk7006 Bro just said “hecking” when telling someone to grow up 💀

[@youcantbeatk7006]

@@littlemoth4956 Are dumb are you to not understand basic satire? When I said "boo hoo" did you think I honestly felt bad?

[@jamozmynamoz]

The amount of argumental stamina shown here is superhuman

[@Wince_Media]

What a lot of people don't understand about humor is that humor holds an opinion and spreads a message. There's a reason why different demographics like different jokes. They have different opinions and thus the jokes appeal to those opinions. That's why the phrase "its funny because it's true" exists Also the Karen transformation was hilarious lol

[@PengyDraws]

You can't forget "it's funny because it's random"

[@Wince_Media]

@@PengyDraws weed eater

[@maximumforce8275]

Exactly this. That's why I hate most adult shows if not all. And pretty much stopped watching tv and movies almost altogether. No matter how much you wanna argue, comedy in general depends on your views and opinions. So if you say something racist, obviously ima assume you might be an edgelord or the type of person that thinks "words are just words. Everyone shouldn't take life so seriously" otherwise if they didn't, it wouldn't be said in the first place. Sarcasm is trying to make fun of someone or something through mockery, self deprecation humor is go make fun of something you might no like about yourself and dark humor is usually to make fun of someone, something or a certain group and their expense. So no fuh ima think whoever say they like dark humor is gonna be a edgelord.

[@firetarrasque4667]

@@maximumforce8275 Adult shows do also just... Generally tend to be shit. Apparently, when you give a writer the ability to make explicit jokes, they will decide that literally nothing else is ever worth investing effort into.

[@maximumforce8275]

@@firetarrasque4667 yeah its honestly pretty sad.

[@scar4361]

God, I wish I had friends like Bowl or FC. They make a deadly duo. As a side note, I would like to express my respect towards your conversation skills; you can not only carry your point across to the opposing party, but you do so in a factual manner supported by stable arguments, even when dealing with less than, uh, reasonable individuals. Pretty impressive, not many people are actually capable of that on daily basis. And using Franziska to portray the main point of the convo marks you as an individual of culture.

[@hellthornsystem]

* not just me that found all the close-ups of her face funny, i see.

[@emmyyy7848]

No you don't. 🙊🙈 (Don't kill me FC)

[@bowlmrbowl5503]

@@emmyyy7848 This implies only disdain towards FC, Bowl wins.

[@killermetalwolf2843]

depending on how my life goes, i either want to be FC or Bowl. if i go into a career that requires me to be super professional all the time, FC for me, but anything else and the goal is Bowl

[@loveloveaii]

Honestly I’m taking notes right now on debate. This is good stuff

[@zookie1939]

Being black and using the internet is tough, I get called racial slurs almost everyday and it's apparently supposed to be "funny"

[@kylezo]

It's not, that's just what racist shitbags say to gaslight and ease their own conscience.

[@transsnack]

Mood. I'm trans, and I've basically had to dip off reddit because of this. And I actually *like* dark humor.

[@cataposs]

@@transsnack 100%. Dark humor is funny, saying slurs and playing it off as a joke retroactively is not.

[@Limptastical]

@Dehumanizing my land lord why are you telling someone how to feel because of your experience? Just because it’s just a word to you doesn’t mean the same for the said person who wrote the original comment. I’m tired of people deciding how people should feel. Just because you’re a Hispanic that’s fine with slurs doesn’t mean you speak for the population. I’m tired of people acting like internet words “don’t hurt anyone.” Statistically, radicalization happens on the internet which then happens offline. Dylan Roof, Brent Tarrant all partook in that sort of behavior before shooting up a church full of black folks or a mosque full of Muslim folks, so it’s more than just “words.” I swear it’s like latine folks are tone deaf as duck,

[@danniuwu8628]

@@transsnack holy lord I feel you on that. Most social media have just been ruined because I'll just be having a cool day, scrolling thru stuff, and then boom: slurs, something calling autistic people inhuman, or laughing at someone for "having blue hair and pronouns". Like, wheres the funny??

[@AmericanBrit9834]

Watching this was painful. It's possible to argue with someone who's wrong. To argue with idiots is to argue with a brick wall, pointless. Props to ya for sticking with your arguement and not just giving up. I know I would have.

[@Vileplume87]

At least the brick wall doesn't talk back

[@AmericanBrit9834]

@@Vileplume87 If it did I would be concerned

[@Link_Bird]

There's a scene in an episode family guy where Joe shares that his van has "the latest in law enforcement technology." Peter tries it out and gets handcuffed (which is normal protocol for the AI). Cleveland also tries it out but the result is him getting beaten by batons. The irony is that an artificial intelligence, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE UNBIASED, immediately sees someone of color to be a threat and beats the shit out of him, but comparatively, a white person gets a mere slap on the wrist. Why it's ironic is because of its association with the police. Hence, it's making fun of police being racist (leading to brutality); NOT Cleveland for being black. And here I am overanalyzing a joke from an episode of family guy, of all things, which despite being an older episode, is relevant to this day.

[@ronanstephens1597]

This joke is actually prescient too because on more than one occasion researchers have found that their machine learning systems have internalised racial or other bigoted biases from learning from skewed data. You feed a police AI crime data for the past 50 years of racialised policing which targeted black communities and it'll learn to target black communities which will catch more crime there producing data which makes the AI more confident in the need to over police black communities and so on. That joke isn't just a funny pop at the police, it's the very real risk of even simple AI systems told in joke form.

[@arcturus4762]

@@ronanstephens1597 As much as this kind of stuff seems skewered, Black and Latino communities tend to have much higher crime statistics than white ones. So much so, most black people actually want more policing for their communities. Their biggest problem isn’t racism, it’s crime, and people are targeting the almost nonexistent problem when people are suffering to deal with the bigger problem. Tell me about it, we Latinos are extremely self destructive for some reason

[@PKSunset]

​@@arcturus4762Oh shut the fuck up with your inaccurate bullshit. You're arguing minorities, MINORITIES commit most of the crimes. Think before you speak.

[@Uajd-hb1qs]

@@arcturus4762That’s the icing on the cake for some jokes; when not only can a joke appeal to foreign audiences but also to the race or nation it’s based on. Statistically, the most any one country will laugh at is their own people.

[@swordsmancs]

“Arguing against three people is overwhelming. Thankfully, three idiots aren’t any smarter than one, so I can handle myself just fine.” Holy *shit* FC out here murdering people in broad daylight

[@Tonatsi]

Which is impressive given he's neither an american police offer, nor are his victims black. --This is a correct use of dark humour as it criticises the american police system and its prejudice towards minorities.

[@swordsmancs]

@@Tonatsi excellent use of dark humor to make a political point about police brutality in America

[@Tonatsi]

@@swordsmancs Screw Volkeh

[@arthurorlandini3192]

@@Tonatsi Here. Right here. THIS is someone who learned something from this experience.

[@MDzmitry]

@@Tonatsi I'd rather have gone for the nazi/jew example, because it's a historically closer topic to me, but you made a fine example

[@falquicao8331]

Bowl is a fricking mastermind, holy sh- Lately, I've seen more and more young people on the internet who always see "dark humor" instead of *dark humor* and think that is all there is, to the point where a youtuber (technoblade) 's humor got praised by a fan saying he never uses dark humor or offensive jokes when his main joke is that he wants to kill all orphans because one of them killed his parents batman style, or jokes about cancer... They didn't recognize dark humor because it wasn't just badly disguised racism.

[@whiteface513abandonedchann8]

Dude Techno is a master at that stuff. We need more jokes like his and less mindless spam of offensive trash

[@stelloola]

"they didnt recognize dark humor because it wasnt just badly disguised racism." DAMN you took the words right out of my mouth

[@VideosJuandieguinchi]

Bowl is more like a Megamind

[@thesecondmexicanempire5742]

@@whiteface513abandonedchann8 but if your using the same material like kills orphans it becomes corny and boring

[@ZinnSomebody]

May he rest in peace

[@Nico2209]

"Also, saying you can paint a wall red with black people's guts isn't inherently racist because it proves that black people and white people are all the same on the inside: *Red."* This line from Bowl goes INCREDIBLY hard, I got chills down my spine.

[@wildfire9280]

I thought you were going to say you also got hard. That would be a much more worrying reaction to that than getting offended.

[@ReinhardMcKinky]

You were 18? That was fucking impressive. Bowl's "offensive" joke couldn't have highlighted their misunderstanding of dark humour better. The perfect irony.

[@cgoose500]

My favorite Bowl joke so far is "You can't be racist and a transphobe at the same time. *Nobody is that good* "

[@nukiradio]

@@cgoose500 being both sounds emotionally exhuasting

[@troyscribner4342]

@@cgoose500 now thats a noice dark humor joke.

[@Cats4life777]

@@cgoose500 Jokes like these perfectly highlight why Bowl's jokes are actually funny.

[@makoshark7122]

@@cgoose500 It truely is legendarY

[@krisbostick1683]

You’ll prob never see this, but as a black person im really grateful how you handled this. You didn’t infantilize us and still defended your argument even with having three people come at you. I also enjoy dark humor, but I also know that there are some jokes that make me uncomfortable. But that’s the whole point right? Just because I’m upset doesn’t mean the joke is bad, I can voice my feelings but I don’t expect all jokes to be within my comfort. But that’s how trolls try to circumvent this by just saying I’m “triggered”. I know the difference between being upset because the joke is uncomfortable, and being upset because the “joke” is just thinly veiled bigotry. I appreciate you explaining the difference because it’ll definitely help me be more aware in the future. One thing my mom said that sticks with me about this kind of stuff is, “intent vs impact” meaning even if something is “just a joke” the impact of that “joke” will decide if it’s dark humor or just bigotry

[@yappertron2010]

yapasaurus rex 😭

[@Adster2008]

@@yappertron2010bro I know your comment is over a month old and all but did you just not watch a 30 MINUTE VIDEO ESSAY that primarily includes YAPPING

[@suwakomoriya5145]

I know this comment is a year late, but I couldn’t have said it better myself. Especially the infantilizing part.

[@TheRedKing247]

@@yappertron2010 Do you have the attention span of a toddler that you can't read 1 fucking paragraph of text or what?

[@ur0b0r0sXL]

​@@yappertron2010 How the hell did you make it through middle school if a paragraph this brief is too much for you to bear without going apeshit? ...How old are you?

[@banane2279]

I agree. Saw a tumblr post explaining the difference in the past and suddenly understood why I felt shitty after joking about "retards" and having those jokes directed at me. Having a condition like autism is very debilitating at times and making fun of my natural mannerisms or "particular" behavior has made me feel ashamed about those and really try not to be like "those retards". It was hard to accept myself already and having to deal with undiagnosed autism and getting bad grades etc. for things I couldn't do like other people on top of that really took a greater toll on me than I thought

[@danniuwu8628]

I know this may sound stupid but, as someone who also knows where you're coming from: that is so incredibly cool of you. You realized you were being shit and have fixed it, and that's a lot more than some of these internet assholes can say. Bravo on your character development!!

[@dazai8879]

i had a character redemption arc 👏👏 dame tho

[@jazzb3371]

We love a good redemption arc laddies

[@somethinginthepines]

Yeah literally. It sucks sometimes. It took a lot of work for me to stop 'masking' my autistic traits. I am openly cringe and I do not care, I've been much happier and less stressed. I love dark humor, just not punch down humor, no need to bully ppl, yknow?

[@guyferrari8124]

The word retard online just means idiot or stupid. That’s why people call situations and objects “retarded” even though those concepts can’t even have autism

[@randomperson9498]

The "Grim situations" being used for jokes is kind of like raw meat in a way. FC, by making a joke using the grim situation, is using it to make a dish. Volkeh is just putting the raw meat on a plate and expecting people to eat it.

[@waxenby8362]

I'm sorry, I know your comment is a year old, but that's such a good way to explain it

[@lincolnickler9354]

“Oui, oui, bagette, we don’t speak surrender here buddy.” “Well maybe you should.” best comeback ever lmao

[@godminnette2]

The joke before that was also excellent. "You know, I have the impression that if I were to explain all of this in French, you would understand nearly the same amount; that is to say: nothing"

[@plumiel4418]

I expected this to be full of bigotry bullshit from both parties, but FC made really good points. I consider myself to be under the "snowflake" tag, but videos like these are good to hear other's perspective, learn it and build your opinions. You need to understand people in order to properly communicate with them.

[@leirbag1595]

Everyone is a snowflake with different "melting points". The difference among everyone is what that melting point is. For FC for example, I'm pretty sure that the misuse of dark humor and the willful ignorance that followed ticked them off.

[@fanieljairtonjairton4234]

@@leirbag1595 I would also add that isn't just intensity, but also the thing and way

[@jonathangp65]

Agreed. I know I'm not perfect and that I will end up screwing up at some point, but I still want to at least hear other's thoughts and opinions and see what I can learn from it. Afterall, you can always gain something from something, yeah?

[@AlabioDuck]

Yeah that’s the way best to see it. I looove dark humor but I have two friends who don’t take it two well and I often have to restrain myself from being as funny as I usually am (which is a lot) around them so I don’t get lynched. I love them tho and one of them is my best friend so it’s not that much of a problem.

[@AlabioDuck]

@@leirbag1595 I have to disagree. A snowflake is a person who is offended by dark humor because of a lack of understanding of its complexity. A person who understands dark humor doesn’t have a melting point because as long as the joke is actually a joke then they won’t get offended. The reason JC got offended wasn’t because the “jokes” were too offensive, it was because they just weren’t even jokes; they were someone making fun of black people dying and that isn’t comedy, that’s just being a dumbass. Honestly, I myself don’t like the term snowflake simply because if you say it people immediately think you are a Ben Shapiro follower, 4chan user, Incel, unwanted child and most of the time they’re right. I simply refer to them as ✨The Twitter Crowd✨ because it carries less negative connotation than “snowflake”. Anyways have a nice weekend.

[@tarniabook3076]

Arguing with idiots is the same as playing chess against a pigeon. It doesn't matter if you are a master, the pigeon is just going to knock off the pieces and make a mess out of the board, so you can't really win.

[@Purple_Sloth]

who are you to judge the pidgeon.

[@dynomite9524]

Well, In this case they did kindof win. The moderator banned that asshole after realizing he was wrong

[@LeBornMajes]

@@Purple_Sloth bro a Pidgeon fucking shits on you mid-air, of course they're dumb

[@DragonsGuy]

The way I'd heard that one was "...it's still going to shit on the table and strut around like it won."

[@tarniabook3076]

@@DragonsGuy Yeah, I just wanted to omit the swear word. Personal preference, nothing else.

[@NecroticTechnics]

“He never said anything racist!” *Man spams racial slurs*

[@ahseemyousuf7238]

I agree with all your well constructed points on dark humour. One thing I'd like to add is sometimes with humor that plays on race, religion, sexuality ect. Sometimes you can just tell when the person saying/posting such jokes has malice for those groups when doing so. In this case, the frequency and lazy nature of Volekhs jokes made me think he likley held some level of animosity for black people and wasn't saying it just to be funny. Its easier to tell that in person than online of course but that's just my impression from the little I saw of his "jokes." Great video as always though, you're quickly becoming one of my favourite YT channels 👍

[@willofthewinds3222]

That's my issue with his "dark humor". They're only jokes when its convenient for it to be called a joke as a smokescreen.

[@heavenlysenju9948]

I believe frequency also plays a part. Many jokes are based on history or defining traits. One off jokes about subjective things like attractiveness, intelligence, or morality don't come off as malicious because they're are just that, *one off*. Multiple jokes calling you these things make it seem like it is a defining trait about you. As real as the sound your voice, color of your clothes, or the kick in your step. If one friend calls you ugly once, who cares? But if every joke is about how your face looks like an abstract picasso painting, I bet you might think there's some meaning to those words, even if they are "just jokes".

[@arKiteX3]

I can't agree with much of FC's argument and he *does* read as rather pretentious. (Portraying everyone around him as "dazzled" by all of his remarks in this video definitely gives me that impression.) I don't think FC demonstrated a particularly strong argument either; it was particularly unreasonable to expect anyone to "explain" their joke. (Even his own explanation of his own joke was weak.) But these points you make regarding the repetitive nature of Volekh's jokes (*assuming* FC portrayed that accurately) are right; it definitely gave a feel that there was more to it than "just a joke." That particular strain of dark humor *requires* that you play off your audience's shock. It can't be spammed. One way to reframe Volekh's racist jokes is to simply precede them with "YT be like". Suddenly it's the same genre as FC's Usain Bolt joke...but the content hasn't changed. Just the spin; but adding a nod to an ideological agenda doesn't sanitize a joke. As such, Volekh's humor and FC's humor are not fundamentally different. What *does* seem to be different is the context: Volekh's spamming kills any humor that the joke could have carried and persisting despite that implies humor wasn't the point. That said, we could give Volekh the "benefit of the doubt" and presume his sense of humor is just utterly garbage and the moron doesn't know how to read a room and know when to shut up. We could. But I don't think I would.

[@laurelyn]

@@arKiteX3 I don't agree with you on this. The fundamental difference was the target of the joke. FC's joke only seemed to be about Usain Bolt. It actually criticized the police, when Volkeh's jokes where indeed aimed (from what I saw) at black people. When you add a "KZbin be like", you criticize KZbin comments for making bad jokes, if I use your example. That's in my opinion what separate dark humor from hidden racism, banalised racism or sheer ignorance.

[@AnonHooman]

Also sometimes seeing these jokes and then making those same jokes because you think they're "acceptable because everyone posts then" is a gateway to becoming radicalized (is that the right word?) and started to believe those things somewhat or doing it without thinking and becoming a gateway to radicalize others without even being a bad person on purpose It's like free advertising for racists

[@TheUnknownGruntProductions]

I would like to say, making jokes made to trigger people isn’t even good comedy. You WANT someone to argue with you or have a breakdown because of your “joke”? That’s low key sociopathic.

[@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear]

I call that sadistic. I don't really see the difference between a troll and a sadist, since the point of trolling is to take pleasure from another person's negative emotions.

[@TheUnknownGruntProductions]

@@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear True, but sadism involves liking to watch people be hurt. I would argue, at least depending on who you ask, that's a little sociopathic. Either way, as a black person I did not enjoy ANY of his jokes, especially the George Floyd ones. So yeah, Fuck-Cares won.

[@littlemoth4956]

@@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear Well, close. Trolling is to take pleasure from someone’s anger or sadness towards something that is considered unreasonable. It’s funny when you can villainize someone who throws a tantrum over something small. This is why harassment and bullying is not trolling. Anything beyond that is the definition of sadism.

[@facebookuser1653]

@@littlemoth4956 hey i always see you in yt comments (we barely interact tho)

[@thepinkestpigglet7529]

@@littlemoth4956 So the issue there is what seems unreasonable to you may be perfectly reasonable to someone else in different circumstances. A lot of the time what trolls are doing is calling autistic kids out for being autistic and eorceiving the world differently.

[@strongfish9198]

The moment Bowl appeared made this 900% better. The AUDACITY to compare himself to him too while HE gets offended over other people being offended by his jokes. The hypocrisy. Whereas Bowl actually enjoyed pissing them off. And I really love how Volkeh just spams racial slurs whenever he can't counter one of FC's arguments. That's how you know that someone really gets what they're talking about. On another note, I'm happy you posted this even though it's long and didn't end very positive, because I think personally it helped me to understand dark humor better and can help me question my own humor and use it better. And it's always funny when someone makes a racist/sexist/homophobic joke and then just ask them to explain the joke to watch them crash and burn. Great video!

[@khajiitimanus7432]

I can definitely agree that Bowl stepping in like a T-800 designed for humor was fucking spectacular. Same there on the reflection, too - this video is some superb 'food for thought.'

[@lordfelidae4505]

Bowl is now one of my favorite characters.

[@t_0246]

A comment above you just points out details of racists at work while not getting the actual context of being offensive. Which just shows he is one of the few people that gets offended at jokes meant to be offensive

[@misslost9092]

Feeling bad for Bowl, sacrificed himself but ended up educating most of us

[@flarebreaker6614]

Love how Bax just went completely quiet at the end there... then banned Volk. Like he realized he was wrong, and was mature enough to admit it, but... needed some quiet time.

[@pasta_eeee]

REDEMPTION ARC

[@kalibronx]

@@pasta_eeee best redemption arc at that

[@mr.samishi3248]

Gotta love a great redemption arc.

[@justcallmedaddy6977]

bax stayed up late questioning his ethics that night, and went to a blm protest the next day.

[@JohnSmith-uf9mu]

I mean that's the point of the argument, to get people to realize their POV is incorrect or flawed.

[@user-jj6xp2ln4d]

I didn’t agree with everything you said, but bravo for standing up for yourself against 3 people who had no arguments beyond but “haha racial slurs funny.” Really impressive.

[@ashamansedai]

I hate the type of idiots that accuse others of what they are doing and only use fallacies in their arguments, never seeing the absurd levels of hypocrisy they are reaching. It's even worse when they directly ignore arguments against them but still try to argue back without properly listening to what was said. This video has been very satisfying to watch (most parts) and I love how much of a metaphorical as-kicking they've taken. Thanks for the enjoyment, and good luck against future idiots!

[@LendriMujina]

It's kinda ironic that Volkeh's gross misunderstanding of dark humor is so twisted that it turns him into an actual example, _but not for any of the reasons he wants._ We're not laughing at someone being racist; we're laughing at someone making an absolute fool of himself.

[@BlindBosnian]

And the funniest thing is that there was at least one joke that could've been explained (the "Winnie the Pooh" joke, as a perversion of innocence), but he still didn't do it because he's that dense.

[@gomezuribeivan750]

I'm delighted by how even been able to edit this video at will, FC preserved the detail of the change to "Karen" and kept it through all the debate

[@skell6134]

Truth is more important,he can change discord name later when he is done XD

[@leirbag1595]

Honestly it helped prove his point by showing how immature the opposition was.

[@thealchemistking4063]

The fools, THEY'VE MERELY GIVEN THEM MORE POWER.

[@tomasbeltran04050]

I mean, Franziska is more bad ass ðan Phoenix

[@mythosinfinite6736]

If you can win while tarred and feathered, it's your tormentors who're the clowns.

[@OLIVERGAMINGFUNNY]

jesus this video is so based, props to you guys

[@chi221]

FC literally the most based person I've seen all year

[@bronzyPrime]

Isn’t FC French baguette though?

[@WardofSquid]

@@bronzyPrime 🤫🤫🤫

[@frenchbaguetteintelligence]

@@bronzyPrime FC goes by Karen now, actually.

[@bronzyPrime]

@@frenchbaguetteintelligence lol imagine couldn’t be me

[@thebaldpizzaman6319]

“It’s hard to win an argument against a smart person, but impossible to win with a dumb one.”

[@MSCDonkeyKong]

a real winner knows when to play dumb

[@wessltov]

"Don't argue with a fool. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience" and "If you wrestle with a pig, you'll both end up covered in mud - and the pig likes it" These are among my favorite sayings

[@iAmGGlitch]

ive gotta say it sucks when you write a full rant in one message so as to not have it seem like a reaction to different messages, and everyone only takes a crumb of the info instead of all the info. this video really helped me not feel alone at this.

[@LambentLight00]

Volkeh calling FC a gen z to insult him when he's also gen z is absolutely hysterical to me???? like... FC isn't kidding when he says that Volkeh doesn't rly think about what he's saying.

[@The_D0C70R]

That “PRESENTATION!” joke from Bowl is why I don’t feel an ounce of regret about watching a 30 minute Ace Attorney video

[@aaliaaslam3841]

i dont get it.. is it a megamind joke?

[@smaple6173]

@@aaliaaslam3841 it is indeed

[@aaliaaslam3841]

@@smaple6173 ohk, thanks! i remember now.

[@waffler-yz3gw]

i even read that in megamind's voice and didnt know what it was referencing until you told me

[@orphankicker4384]

holy shit this is 30 minutes

[@JJMK_1]

Bowl's depiction of french people is so accurate, and if we get enought dedication to debate, we're unstopable

[@remmie6744]

French people are based AF

[@kingdomdani]

I can confirm as half-Belgian.

[@kkangoru]

thank you for voicing every problem i have with people using dark humor and people who get offended by dark humor.

[@Im2Ded]

This video is like a psychology lecture on ignorance. Admittedly you come off as a bit arrogant, but it would be hard not to when talking to people this willingly stupid. I very much appreciate your ability to break down the whole concept in an extremely articulate manner. I didn't plan on watching the whole 30 minutes but it really held my attention. The only place I would differ from the views held in the video is that shock humor seems hardly a step up from their "dark humor", though I can admit my personal distaste for it doesn't delegitimize it as an intentional, structured joke. As enjoyable as it can be to sharpen your argument against a dullard (pun intended), some simply cannot be pierced by logic alone. In terms of actually changing the mindset of the opponents, Bowl is much more efficient in his use of words. You spend so much time relentlessly attempting to beat someone to death with the guard of the world's sharpest rapier, while bowl needs only a few carefully placed blows with a club to achieve a similar or greater effect. Bowl enjoys getting under people's skin, and understands just how to do so in as few words as possible. Meanwhile, you seem to argue not to convince your opponent that they are wrong, rather to prove that you are more intelligent. Do you want to be right, or do you want to communicate effectively? This decision is entirely up to you, but I know your potential is much greater than to fruitlessly attempt to convince fools that they are foolish. This is merely a sign of immaturity. That being said, It is the least of my intention to take away from your impressive abilities to carefully dissect, articulate, and focus on a subject, and I only hope that one day you do great things with it! (edit) Apologies, there are a few things I should clarify. The first paragraph was about the video, but the rest of the comment was referring to his approach to the conversation itself. The comment on him coming off as arrogant had more to do with his little comments here and there, but of course showing some personality and venting a bit of frustration are natural and not explicitly a bad thing. Well, that and the fact that they try to make shock humor out to be some high art form for intellectuals. Arguing is a useful tool for deepening each side's understanding of each others' points of view as well as their own. The measure of his "effectiveness" depends on what his goal was in having this argument. If his goal was to use it to understand the situation and hone his argument, he's done that masterfully. If his goal was to call them out and show them the err of their ways, little to no progress was likely made on that front. And if his goal was to convince the admin that they were problematic, bowl made more progress with some simple provocation than FC with all his logic and reason. It's easy to be understood by intelligent people, It's harder to be understood by fools, and it's nigh impossible to convince a fool that they're wrong. In fact, I suspect that this is part of the motivation for turning this old conversation into a video. All this carefully constructed argument is wasted on the likes of them, so it would be understandable to bring it in front of the eyes of people who can actually understand and appreciate it. (We really do appreciate it by the way) As depressing as it is to accept, one needs to understand how to communicate effectively with everyone they encounter, not just with those of similar mind. FC communicates with strict logic and reason because it's the only way he knows how. This isn't a negative thing, however it is an unfortunate fact of life that this will not always be effective. When I said it was a sign of immaturity, I didn't mean to imply that he was childish or anything of the sort. More that he needs time to grow and learn to adapt to whatever manner his partner or audience would find most convincing. Either that, or know when to quit. I'm still learning to do that, and would not blame anyone for not wanting to deal with it.

[@JaySk8n]

yeah, while this made for a great video, as just an actual conversation I think FC kind of got the short end of the stick. Is he in the right? absolutely, he made his points well, and for those of us on youtube it's great. The issue is all that text did just about nothing to convince them of anything. Bowl made the same amount of impact, but he did it with wayy less words because he knew he couldn't convince them. He came into this conversation not to prove them wrong, but to give a bit of backup to FC, crack a few jokes and piss em off a bit. He got acomplished everything he set out to do in this conversation, He's absolutely the "winner" of this conversation.

[@bugingyhasawoken]

Yo off topic to this subject, but I really like your profile picture. Cool design, do you know what kind of style that’s made in so I can look for one similar?

[@Im2Ded]

​@@bugingyhasawoken Thanks! It's kind of funny actually. When I was a kid I downloaded the default youtube profile picture and was just playing around with it in MS Paint. I just inverted it and randomly used the paint bucket tool for the red. In images and videos with low color depth, gradients suffer from "color banding", causing them to appear as distinct swaths of single colors rather than a smooth transition. These are present in the original image, I only enhanced their contrast by using a different color. At some point I recreated or edited it into a higher resolution but I honestly don't remember what program or method I used. Perhaps I resized it to make a blurrier higher resolution version then used a different resize method or converted it into a vector to reharden the edges. If you want, you could try doing something like that, but unfortunately I'm not aware of a category or style that it would fall into. An easier method might be just drawing shapes and ripples until you get something you like. Here's the original picture for reference i.redd.it/5hbfm5bp8f661.png

[@iamthinking2252_]

Yeah this felt like playing chess with pigeons for a while

[@karlos4566]

I don't know how much of this is true. I can see where you drew your conclusions from, but I think it changes things a lot when you consider that these debates happened on a public forum. Much like a court case, for example, FC is both debating with someone AND persuading a silent third party. I doubt FC would argue with one of these people one-on-one, but when given jury, (both the other people in the discord, or us on their channel,) even if the argument seems fruitless, it can still be used to educate or convince others. As for Bowl, I kind of agree, but in this case I think FC loosened them up/it's hard to tell since they are working together. Besides, bowl had a lot less to support than FC does.

[@AmapolaMystery]

not a snowflake, but someone whose sensitivity has been an inconvenience for their whole life, thank you. I understand dark humor now. I may not find it funny, but at least I gained a better understanding of it, which I apparently desperately needed! cool beans :D

[@maximumforce8275]

I always known exactly what dark humor is ever since I had people yelling at me for calling out the blatant hate filled "dark humor". Only through scrolling through these comments have I remembered what else can count as "dark humor" and pretty much what I consider actually dark humor and "dark humor" (that being racism, transphobic, sexist stuff etc) and while I do understand that some people just might not understand what dark humor is when the use it themselfs, if they are 17 or above, for me there is no excuse if the use "dark humor" (except for some exceptions like if they have a mental disability or similar)

[@kemosabe8814]

And that right there proves you're not a snowflake, you admitted that you didn't understand the humor; your view (on if it's funny or not) didn't change much but your not to spiteful and full of pride to admit you didn't understand. You accepted someone's argument and listened to what they had to say that's the difference. Much respect!

[@koolaidmansam8yearsago273]

And that's okay! It's not like everybody has the same sense of humor so it's impossible for every one to enjoy dark humor. Some people are just more sensitive than others and there is nothing wrong with that.

[@hajidle]

'not a snowflake, but somebody who's been inconvenienced their entire life by being a snowflake'

[@AmapolaMystery]

@@hajidle my guy doesn't even know what snowflakes are lmfao

[@ian-qo8fq]

Someone once said "I hate [REDACTED]" and then defended it by saying it was "dark humor", My brother in christ where is the punchline?

[@ratking9577]

Exactly, simply saying “I hate [anything really]” without context isn’t a joke

[@midasvijfwinkel6116]

@@ratking9577 except saying 'I hate [anything really]' is funny to nihilists because it's relatable

[@popojelly1895]

@@midasvijfwinkel6116 That just shows how poorly these "nihilists" understand nihilism.

[@midasvijfwinkel6116]

@@popojelly1895 Well to be honest I just made a joke out of a non-joke by changing the context, didn't mean to attack anyone.

[@godassasin8097]

Sometimes saying "i hate black people" can be funny Especially in response to someone saying something a bit bad but not to that extent Rare tho

[@luxion8376]

6:35 this made my blood boil you can't even know. You explained the joke entirely just before that, you explained the system of irony and specifically how it shows in your joke, and when you asked them to copy your method, they just fell silent and went "you're asking us something even you can't think of", these types of people irritate me to a degree that makes my heart ache, good on you for holding your ground, I would've given up or had a meltdown by that point

[@IQbelowaverage]

I must say that I'm joining the Bowl fanclub. Every argument he said was disguised as a silly joke but it held incredible meaning. Of course it went through their heads. His jokes are very clever and I agree that his humor is superior. And to that, add that Edgeworth is playing him, it only makes me like the guy more.

[@parflourcarbon]

my favorite part is how he calls himself "the Bowl" and makes a megamind reference within seconds of entering the conversation what an absolute guy, he's great

[@evantyler8647]

My guy bowl spent literally the entire conversation just waiting for someone to ask him "what's the difference?" and completes the reference the second he has the opportunity. Absolute legend

[@astor_25]

FC made some really good points, but I still think he was a little to much pissed of just for an immature edgy like Volkeh Bowl was an absolute chad

[@turcanudan9386]

Bowl always has and always will be the main character of whatever shitshow ensues

[@chobbis3]

i really like bowl and also how every sentence he says is somehow 100% more offensive than the last

[@aqualinebutbetter]

The argument was the equivalent to a joke itself. Clown with a monocle was obviously in the wrong, yet they tried to make a joke out of FC. Yet by doing that, they made a joke out of themselves, constantly going against their own points causing ridiculous irony.

[@borederlands5387]

Because someone actually having a coherent argument is really funny to them

[@aqualinebutbetter]

@@borederlands5387 I only agree when there is someone stupid like the clown with a monocle to try and fight back.

[@hecker2309]

Its harder to argue with morons compared to arguing with people that actually use their brains

[@driving.me.crazy_]

@@Indonknowreal

[@deltarts9620]

Bowl making a fricking Megamind reference to prove his "evil" superiority is just the most correct thing that could have happened in this situation.

[@saltyandgreen]

bro must have thought dark humor was making fun of "dark people"

[@doddermodd]

kilroy was here

[@The_Knowledgeseekers]

As I often say : "Your freedom of speech end where someone else freedom of speech start."

[@FistoftheSnackBar]

The "having Freedom of Speech means no one is allowed to criticize me" crowd never seem to understand that their basic premise is flawed.

[@sirduncebag6190]

Everybody is for freedom of speech until they hear speech they dont like

[@mantis9126]

freedom of speech, not freedom of consequences

[@spectrestain4360]

So, liberals?

[@namelessfaerie1302]

The disclaimer at the end about asking ''why is it funny?'' is spot-on. I've seen it, asking someone who speaks in bad faith to explain their joke and why it's funny is a great way to defuse conversations with assholes; they either give up on it or go on a tirade and end up showing everyone that they're full of shit.

[@t_0246]

This is an actual stereotype I see from someone daily

[@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa]

Yup, can confirm, do this with my brother, and it's confirmed to me that he legitimately hates blacks/gays/liberals/foreigners. Never anything nice to say about them, has even talked about how much he wants to shoot them in the past. And people still wonder why I don't like coming out to strangers, it's 'cause I know people like my brother and his friends still exist -_-

[@Mr_Kiwi_the_Wizard]

"If the objective is to piss me off, why do you get offended by me getting pissed off." That's a hell of a good point and a badass line.

[@JustAMantisMan]

All I have to say on this is you have literally ALL of my respect on this.