Frick 00 Sawmill Restoration

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David Cunningham

David Cunningham

9 жыл бұрын

This video documents the 4 years that it has taken us to restore our Frick 00 sawmill. It is now producing beautiful lumber and we hope to be sawing with it for many years to come.

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@bruce2900
@bruce2900 18 күн бұрын
The algorithm revealed this video to me and I am so glad it did. Great job on the mill! I cut my teeth (inserted) on an old OO Frick in 1974. Wood husk, and track frame. 671 Detroit power added a 27” Frick edger soon after. Then a Mellot 4A turner and a Cornell “scratcher” to clean a path for the saw. Even though it had small collars it cut very accurate lumber. I went to the Pennsylvania Lumberman’s Museum and was amused to find the demonstration mill was newer than the one I made my living with. I’m now 75 and spent my entire working life in the production end of the Hardwood lumber business. Thank you for triggering great memories.
@fletcher3913
@fletcher3913 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad your wife made you git it running. It must be really satisfying milling wood on your own sawmill that you restored.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
It is very satisfying to be sawing on it. I tell my wife that being at the mill is like oxygen for the soul. You just feel better all over watching those logs turn into lumber. The smell of the sawdust, the sound of the engine and the saw just can't be beat.
@drmike505
@drmike505 7 жыл бұрын
spoken like a true craftsman, congratulations on your beautiful project
@johngrace199
@johngrace199 2 жыл бұрын
Great persistence has paid-off with a great tool. Wonderful job David and yes, I suspect it will last you many years to come. And with all the work and re-work you've done...you now have an intricate understanding of all that goes into that machine now and in the future. FANTASTIC...
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! It was a ton of work but now the saw has been sawing well for several years and is a pleasure to saw on.
@livingstonexcavation732
@livingstonexcavation732 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding job. It looks great
@brandstetterflorian1594
@brandstetterflorian1594 5 жыл бұрын
I have a Selfmade Sawmill. I know how hard it is wiht so much problems. And the best moment ever when the Sawmill works well 😊🤩
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
You have that right! Nothing like seeing it saw correctly the first time. After so many years of working on it, I was almost in tears when it sawed correctly the first time. Now, I have just come to expect that it will saw well each time and when it doesn't, I know there is an alignment issue and we make the appropriate adjustments and keep going.
@larryhayes3822
@larryhayes3822 6 жыл бұрын
really admire you fellars restoring that old mill and great video to
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. My patience was running thin by the end of the restoration but it was worth it. Today we can go to the mill and saw all we want and if there are issues, they are minor ones. It now saws consistent straight lumber each time we use it.
@hughlink3122
@hughlink3122 6 жыл бұрын
I believe hard work always pays off in the long run, you guys will reap the rewards of your labor many years to come. Good luck
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Hugh, it has been a joy to saw on since we finished it.
@sidneywallace48
@sidneywallace48 7 жыл бұрын
You have done a good job restoring your mill...when you are doing the jobs of both the sawyer and the setter it will make for a killer day though!! I too have an old frick 00 that I'v had for 12 years waiting untill I retired to start restoration... just hope I don't die before I get through doing it!! You are cutting some good looking lumber from some good looking logs!!! You can be proud of your accomplishment.... Good Luck.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Sindey. It was a lot of work to get it going but two weekends ago we sawed some 3/4" pine for siding my son's tree house and it was wonderful to sit there making boards that were the same thickness the entire length and making them fast. I had a friend off-bearing and I was keeping him running! Good luck on your Frick. IF (big IF) I had to do it over again, I would start with a Frick 01. You can still get parts for them whereas I had to have shaft and some other items custom made. The axles we changed to are 01 style since the 00 are not available.
@sidneywallace48
@sidneywallace48 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your encouragement... If I didn't already have this old 00, I probably wouldn't even try to have a lumber mill... but I started collecting things for this many years ago and I have all the parts and pieces I just have to assemble them...I will be using a Ford tractor(propane powered) to power the mill and have a flat belt powered edger and planer that I plan to run off the same tractor... unlike you (your little helper is a goodlooking kid!) my children are all grown and gone and Momma sure don't have any intrest so its just me and my old junk as she calls it! LOL I raise heirloom corn and grind it into cornmeal on a Williams gristmill powered with an International Harvester U2 engine... and I'm wondering more and more if I shoulden't just downsize and focus on one thing... Oh well ...I tend to ramble when I get stated..Once again you have done a wonderfull job and I envy you!!
@kingoghearts1
@kingoghearts1 7 жыл бұрын
reaching over to set sizes while the carriage is creeping , is a good way to become two
@kevinhoffman8214
@kevinhoffman8214 2 жыл бұрын
so true , my grandfather lost both arms to a frick , and went on to run until his late 90's
@robstagner2086
@robstagner2086 7 ай бұрын
What a thing of utter beauty! How very satisfying it must have been to see and hear it just gliding through the wood! Wow!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 ай бұрын
Yes it was. It was a long and sometimes painful road to get it where it saws like that but it was worth the effort.
@johns8771
@johns8771 6 жыл бұрын
I just stumbled upon your video. Great job on the restoration! It brought back a lot of memories for me. During the early to mid '80s I worked for a company that had purchased the rights to build Frick sawmills. We built the basic model like you have up to hydraulic and pneumatic carriages. The one thing I did not care to assemble was the setworks like on your carriage. The cast parts were a pain to put together where they would work freely.
@paulsaliba4119
@paulsaliba4119 6 жыл бұрын
Congratulation watching your video I saw the inspiration in trying to build the machine, you persisted and thanks to your wife to keep going atlast it is working perfectly and wish you a good future with your busness well done to all involved in the project
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul, it is a pleasure to saw on these days.
@ambiguoussoul1246
@ambiguoussoul1246 8 жыл бұрын
fantastic job sir! I could tell by the sound that it was sawing clean.
@arthurkorir7846
@arthurkorir7846 8 жыл бұрын
The power of not quitting
@brianbradshaw1566
@brianbradshaw1566 Жыл бұрын
The sawmill reminded me of one my dad had . His was a Turner sawmill . Worked a many Summer days with it . I like the way you restored it , it’s a nice set up 👍🏻
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian. I don't think I have ever seen a Turner. Most everything around here is either Frick or JA Vance. You sometimes see a Corley but those are not as common here. Summer days on a mill are rough days depending on where you are in the country and the humidity. My dad worked a mill all summer long in TN where humidity is high. Don't know how he did it.
@terrimoore8433
@terrimoore8433 7 жыл бұрын
Congratulation on this beautiful old mill running like a thoroughbred! Wish I had mine running. Thanks for the inspiration.
@whistle3man
@whistle3man 7 жыл бұрын
what a great job. I love those frick mill. I run a band mill but nothing beats the sound of a big circular blade! awesome job thanks for sharing.
@scruffy6151
@scruffy6151 6 жыл бұрын
nice restore. old mills need alot of tlc to get milling and stay milling all the best to you
@kingoghearts1
@kingoghearts1 8 жыл бұрын
well done sir . , that big ole saw is capable of cutting even smoother
@garbabby
@garbabby 8 жыл бұрын
Great job - well done
@mmccoy577
@mmccoy577 7 жыл бұрын
Love them old hand set mills.We sawed on a Meadows for years. If a hand set mill is right. They make the best lumber you can get.
@rickdearmont9950
@rickdearmont9950 7 жыл бұрын
It is wonderful to see such a great restoration of such a wonderful machine.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rick, it has been awesome to saw on over the past few weekends.
@hughlink3122
@hughlink3122 6 жыл бұрын
I hope it goes well with you guys, you deserve it with all that work and money you put in it
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. It has been sawing consistently well since got the engine repaired. We sawed 54 21' pines over the summer and it sawed beautiful lumber.
@fricknjeep
@fricknjeep 8 жыл бұрын
you did a real good job . been redoing a #1 myself . it takes a lot of time .seams just when you think your done there is another bump in the road . got a few how to does on fricknjeep you might like . working on my slab wood saw now .slab wood piles up fast . i will post some on it soon i hope . keep up the nice work
@scottwadsworth5889
@scottwadsworth5889 7 жыл бұрын
Well done fellows!!!!! That thing is beautiful!!! It took a LOT of determination and resourcefulness to make that happen...big-time congratulations are in order!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Scott. It was quite the challenge. In response to your post on the Essential Craftsman video, I do have saw guides and they are up close enough that you can just see the light through them. My sawdust comes out very course. Looks like what I was used to as a kid from my great uncles sawmill back in Tennessee. With regards to heat on the blade, that is gone. When we did the alignment of the saw all of the heat in the blade went away. I sawed pine on a cold day a couple of weeks ago and after two logs, the blade was still outside air temp. Thanks for the suggestions. We just got a load of 30, 21ft pine logs in this past week so there will be more videos to come.
@scottwadsworth5889
@scottwadsworth5889 7 жыл бұрын
Can't wait! You really paid attention to all of the details in the set up of that mill...everything looks perfect. Do you have any plans for mechanical help with turning the logs? Peaveys and cant hooks alone will finish making an old man out of ya'll!!
@colinmccauley3301
@colinmccauley3301 3 жыл бұрын
what an odyssey. you have a beautiful mill. sounds great
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much. Glad you enjoyed it.
@wilmamcdermott3065
@wilmamcdermott3065 2 ай бұрын
Good old mill now
@avecforte8851
@avecforte8851 5 жыл бұрын
Great work!
@kathyparker7140
@kathyparker7140 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome to see
@Z-Bart
@Z-Bart 3 жыл бұрын
Great determination and a will to win. Job well done! 👍
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ray!
@martinspijker9661
@martinspijker9661 2 жыл бұрын
this vid will always reminds me.. don,t restore a old mill, buy a new one..😁
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. I could have easily bought a new sawmill rather than restore this one. However, when it isn't sawing right today, I can usually shut down and take 30min and correct the issue. Had I bought a new one, I would not have gained the knowledge of what issues cause it to not saw right so I did get an education out of the process! Lol!
@martinspijker9661
@martinspijker9661 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidcunningham257 but you could have bought a new frick 00, they are still made today..
@OutothehousewithPaul
@OutothehousewithPaul 5 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the successful restoration, I smile thinking of the fun you have sawing.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
It is a joy to saw on and we love it!
@papasteve215
@papasteve215 5 жыл бұрын
Great restoration! And nice looking steel toe flip flops Safety First!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
LOL! My wife fusses at me all the time about what I wear to the sawmill. I protect my sight and hearing but probably should put more emphasis on making sure my toes don't get mashed off.
@papasteve215
@papasteve215 5 жыл бұрын
David Cunningham yeah sometimes I think my wife might have more smarts than me too. Seriously though very nice job on the mill
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
@@papasteve215 Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video. Dave C
@trafficczar3366
@trafficczar3366 6 жыл бұрын
Outstanding effort.
@chrisdunham7169
@chrisdunham7169 6 жыл бұрын
Well done you guys, top work.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, we really enjoy sawing on it.
@melvinjohnson7981
@melvinjohnson7981 4 жыл бұрын
Well done , Congratulations! You're hooked now!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Melvin, it was a long road but just a couple of weekends ago, we walked up to the saw, started the engine and started sawing without issue. It was worth all of the work we put into it and today we reap the rewards.
@cookleehi
@cookleehi 7 жыл бұрын
Grew up carrying slabs at my dad's 00 mill. Ha. So proud to see what you did to restore this mill a lot to sweat equity plus cash investment. Enjoy it. Two bits of unsolicited advice be oh so careful at all times especially with that little fellow hanging around bad things can happen so fast around a sawmill. Second, Always swage your saw when you file it, I assume you file your saw in place, swaging is a skill to be learned as is filing. I'm old man now.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Roger, I know the dangers of a mill and keep my little guy away when we are sawing. I do have a swage and use it. Not saying I am "skilled" at it but I will get there one day. Glad you enjoyed the video. We sawed hickory this past weekend and I learned that I don't want to saw hickory again! Three boards and the teeth were getting dull.
@grantclarke4713
@grantclarke4713 5 жыл бұрын
What a great project. A job well done....
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Grant, sawed some cedar on it this weekend and it is so nice to watch those boards being made.
@markhicks8377
@markhicks8377 9 ай бұрын
nice
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comments guys. It has been a long process and we are thankful to have the major portions of it done. Just as we got the saw going, I started having engine troubles. A couple of new fuel lines and a new solenoid valve and the mill is back in operation.
@deksper
@deksper 5 жыл бұрын
+David Cunningham Given Your shirt message, I assume that You also believe that the Holy Spirit has wiped the dust of the religious?
@organbuilder272
@organbuilder272 5 жыл бұрын
You went through an amazing amount of trouble to make it clean and pretty, not to mention preserving the metal from further rusting. But when a machine is in the condition you first showed, surely you should have know that the carriage might not have been straight and the bearings were loose or misaligned from years of use and neglect. I think, had you been as considerate of the bearings and all the things that held the carriage in line you would have been finished quite a bit sooner. But you know that now. The big story would be that you have become expert in the construction, assembly, maintenance and operation of a Frick sawmill. It must have been a happy day when that first plank came off. But you didn't show first cut and all the problems you went through. Your failures are as interesting and educational as you final glorious success.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
When I started this, I was green about anything sawmills so I had no ideal the affects that a bent carriage frame, moving axles and the rest of the stuff would cause. Of course as you say, I for sure know now! Just had to get there the hard way. I had told my dad that I could have bought a new sawmill for what I put into this one but when something broke or wasn't working right, I wouldn't know what to do with it. It was a tough road to get it sawing but what I learned from the experience was worth the trip.
@organbuilder272
@organbuilder272 5 жыл бұрын
I suppose you know that in the end - you did it and it works. I gues we do go through trial and error at times and maybe that is a good way to learl a lot about a little. The accomplishment is that you know what you are doing and have possibly become expert on the why's and wherefor's of sawmills. Good luck with the future operation.
@govtwheelspinner
@govtwheelspinner 8 жыл бұрын
David, I live in Asheboro and would love a chance to come by and see this. I have a bandsaw mill but LOVE these
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video. I had thought about a band mill but have always just loved the old circle mills just didn't know what a challenge it would be to restore one. Maybe we could meet in Siler and then run to the mill?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
Dewayne, the mill is located in central NC near Chapel Hill. Thanks.
@ps3shakes123
@ps3shakes123 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job! 4 yrs late but still enjoyed it. Btw I have uncles named David and Steve Cunningham.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
Well, I have given up on my ability to get the engine fixed, so I am going to load it up on my F-700 and carry it to my uncle to fix. Someone over the years has messed with the timing and there is just no way I am going to get it back without help. Had I not removed the injectors for repair, I would have been fine but there you go. Probably two more months before I have it fixed and back at the mill but I have complete confidence in my uncle's abilities whe it comes to a Diesel engine.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
As an update, we took the engine to my uncle and he had it running in a couple of hours. The engine is back on the mill and we sawed two 24" white oak logs on it last weekend. I have a few more things to complete on the mill before I will consider it fully operational. Look for some new videos in the next month or so.
@pignuts9797
@pignuts9797 8 жыл бұрын
can we see some more videos of this working?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
+pignuts Since getting it operational, we have had issues with the engine. I have all of the parts and working on it. Once we get the engine back to normal, we will post some additional videos. Thanks.
@jamesrussell6870
@jamesrussell6870 2 жыл бұрын
Saw that Cummins & thought that thing would shred that mill? Apparently after bugs were worked out it's not overkill? I've got similar Frick mill in pieces after watching this will just stick to the woodmizer. That restoration is a TON OF WORK!!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 2 жыл бұрын
The Cummins is "too big" for the mill but got it for $500 so..... The way to rectify that problem was to use only 4 V-belts instead of the 6 that the pulley can handle. That reduced the amount of power we could transmit to the shaft and protected the mill. It was a ton of work to restore but circle mills have been in my family for years and years although I never was around them until I started up myself. I don't see myself ever owning a band mill, I just love the old circle mills.
@rocsvidrock
@rocsvidrock 3 жыл бұрын
Great work and thanks. I learned a bunch about my past as a setter? was that the word? I kept looking to ID the machinery and yours was probably it, up in Ct. 40 yrs ago. Really liked this and don't like the nannys or Karens now!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed the video R.L. This was the smallest of the Frick models and can't handle the horsepower of the larger models but works great for me. If I had to do it over again, I would probably start with an 01 model because you can still get parts for them but the 00 model saws great as you can see from my other videos!
@rocsvidrock
@rocsvidrock 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcunningham257 I am not sure on the mill I worked at but it had a D9 Cat if Im not mistaken. The guy knew his stuff and flipped giant red oaks by hand often, while sawing
@scottyroland1998
@scottyroland1998 8 жыл бұрын
David what size blade are you running and how many teeth im going to finsh my dads mill but some one stole the blade i can rember his blade was hammered at. 650 rpm but that's all i hve to build a new husk frame but the rest is finished
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
+Scotty Roland The blade is 54" and I think it has 56 teeth. I will get a count this weekend and update this. It is an F pattern hammered at 600rpm. In "circular sawmills and their efficient operation" there is a chart on page 18 (Table 8) that shows the speed and horsepower range that you should be using with your arbor diameter.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
+Scotty Roland There is a post on this thread from Gary K where you can download a PDF of the book I mentioned. Sorry, I am having issues posting replies for some reason and had to break this up.
@scottyroland1998
@scottyroland1998 8 жыл бұрын
+David Cunningham thank you so much dad had had his rehammered for some reason i thank you very much i just wont to finshed what he had started i just wish he could have seen it run but thats a job left for me.
@cpenn9304
@cpenn9304 5 жыл бұрын
For those who might attempt this it needs to be mentioned that someone with knowledge of hammering temper in the blade for the speed its going to run will have to service the blade from time to time.This one requirement makes it more difficult as time goes on to keep these old mills running.It is not something that anyone with a hammer and anvil can do.It was mentioned this mill is in nc.If he hasn’t retired there is a man in Hamlet NC that does this.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
I have all of my blades hammered at Union Grove Saw and Knife which, as the name implies, is in Union Grove NC just north of Statesville on I-77. Agreed, not something you will do on your own unless you go through specialized training for it and get a lot of hands on practice.
@franklinbrooks9506
@franklinbrooks9506 4 жыл бұрын
Dang. Y’all fought a war, didn’t you? Congratulations! Now turn some $$$!!
@brianwalmsley447
@brianwalmsley447 5 жыл бұрын
😎
@kentcampbell526
@kentcampbell526 6 жыл бұрын
Great video, does one pull of the handle bring the log towards the blade 1 inch? Looks like that’s what it was. Just curious is all, thanks
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Kent, you can set the handle up for various thicknesses. There are movable pins on the setworks that allow you to set board thicknesses in 1/4" increments. You can set two thicknesses at a time so I normally have it set for 1" and 2".
@garykrutsinger1651
@garykrutsinger1651 7 жыл бұрын
saw this in ebay rite down you alley ??? thinking of your project
@dandeforest9439
@dandeforest9439 5 жыл бұрын
best part of the vid. was that grin at 9:48
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
I will be honest, I was beginning to wonder if I would ever get that thing going! It was wonderful to see it saw correctly for the first time.
@dandeforest9439
@dandeforest9439 5 жыл бұрын
@@davidcunningham257 i know the feeling,i've built four mills ,two of them were from scrap.one hadn't been run since 1938.last one is a 01 frick with live log deck ,log turner ,and 8"dust blower.all i had to do on that one is haul it home (6 loads on a 36' trailer) and set it up
@scorpohead
@scorpohead 3 жыл бұрын
very impressive. Is this mill still up and running near Chapel Hill? I am in South East Alamance and work in Chapel Hill about every day. I am in the process of restoring an old house here and am setting up a small mill so I can mill up what I am clearing on this land. I am not looking to get into the milling business as much as being able to cut mill dry and build right here. I would love to see your set up. You are at least as crazy as I am...
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
Mike, the mill is still up and running although we don't have any logs or prospects at the moment. To tell the truth, I am pretty full up on lumber at the moment.
@johns8771
@johns8771 5 жыл бұрын
What company owns the rights to the Frick line now? Where did you get your replacement parts?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Albright Saw reproduces the Frick sawmills now and I got a couple of parts from them but most of what I bought, I got from D&D Sawmill Parts and Service in Chambersburg PA.
@johns8771
@johns8771 5 жыл бұрын
I knew that Carthage Machine Works had purchased their sawmill line in the early 80's as I was working for them at the time. Didn't know where it had eventually ended up as Carthage was bought out by Precision in Leeds AL.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
The generator was a 240V, 3 phase, 4 wire so it could not be wired for anything else. In addition, the controls were 1955 vintage and were pretty much shot. To be of much use, the gen would need to have been a 12 wire, 3 phase so that I could have matched to any motor voltage that I came up with. So, we took the gen off and put the PTO on.
@kevingriffiths4981
@kevingriffiths4981 Жыл бұрын
Hello...love the old mill....just bought an 01.....really like how you set the track ....how far apart are they and what did you make the cross pieces out of..
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 ай бұрын
Sorry for such a long delay in responding. The supports are 3'-4' on center. The verticals are just utility poles cut to length. I then made I beams for the cross pieces out of 2" thick pine boards 8" wide. I made the bottom and top flanges of the I beam out of 2x8 boards then sandwiched two 2x8 boards together for the web of the beam. It has held up really well over the years, just had to shim them all to get them level.
@kevingriffiths4981
@kevingriffiths4981 6 ай бұрын
Not a problem at all....thanks for sharing the information
@scottvernon4021
@scottvernon4021 7 жыл бұрын
Hey David! I'm looking at a 1940s Frick of my own to restore. It definitely needs a restocking, but the carriage moves when you twist the driveshaft, the setworks works well, the bearings spin freely, and its powered by a Cummings diesel engine. I need to check on the blade manufacturer to see if they are out of business. i've heard other channels say that circular saw mills are obsolete. Would you dissuade me from undertaking a restoration project in favor of a newer bandsaw mill?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
Scott, I am not a bandsaw guy and when starting to look for a sawmill, a band mill was never a consideration for me. I love the old circle mills and will always have one if it is up to me. In order to restore one of these you really need to have a love for circle mills and a heart to see it operate again. It took me 4 years and lots of expensive mistakes to get this one going. A lot of the problem is there are not a lot of resources to help on issues but I found them, used them and got my mill going. This past Saturday we sawed 25 2x10x10', 20+ 2x6x10' and a lot of 1x6x10ft with each board having perfect dimensions . That is why I restored my mill, stand at the stick, pull and watch the lumber fall. I would not dissuade you, just be warned of what you are getting into. It is a lot of work to restore one of these but today, for me, it was worth every minute of the time I took to do it. If you are just looking to make lumber with trees you have on your property, a band mill will do the job and its easy to get parts and support when there are issues.
@scottvernon4021
@scottvernon4021 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks David! Once you have the saw running how often are there issues? Was your project a process of elimination kind of discovery? What does the tooth life look like?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
Have not had a lot of issues since we got it going last year. Each year I do a full alignment which we completed about two weeks ago. Other than that, check belts, check teeth, clear sawdust, etc. before and after use. The process was a discovery for sure. I didn't know anything about circle mills or how to relate sawing problems to the causes. My biggest issue by far was that the carriage had solid axles all the way across (original) where both wheels turn together. The old axles were allowing side to side movement of the carriage with respect to the blade which caused me to hang the saw and destroy the new $2,000 mandrel I had just installed. We replaced the mandrel(again), replaced the bent carriage frame and installed new axles with which each wheel turns independent of the other. Once we got the carriage going by the saw at the same location each time, most of our issues went away. Of course when I got the mill, there was more bad than there was good. We basically replaced about everything except for the track and husk frame before it was over. Tooth life is pretty good. As long as you don't get too aggressive with filing, you can get about 10 or so sharpenings out of them. I usually sharpen about every 2 days of sawing but I am only sawing about 3-4hrs a day on the weekends.
@neilhicks7893
@neilhicks7893 6 жыл бұрын
Great job! Where did you get the new parts?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
We bought all of our parts through D&D Sawmill Parts and Service out of Chambersburg PA. They also helped troubleshoot the problems we had to get the mill fixed.
@JacobWilliams1968
@JacobWilliams1968 6 жыл бұрын
Is there any way you could give me two measurements? I’m rebuilding my grandfathers 00 mill and forgot to get the following measurements. 1. Height of the Mandrel above the track 2. Distance between the track and the husk Any and all help is greatly appreciated. NICE REBUILD BY THE WAY!!!!!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
I will get over there this weekend and get the measurements for you. My mill is all steel but was originally wood as all 00 models were so I can only assume the measurements match the original. I will also get you the distance from the saw to the ways on the headblocks as that is the most important measurement of all.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Jacob, from the top of the groove on the grooved track (mine is closest to the saw) the dimension is 9". From the center of the grooved track to the face of the husk frame is 6-1/2". The husk frame is 4" wide so center of bearing nearest the saw to the center of track is 8-1/2". Hope this helps.
@JacobWilliams1968
@JacobWilliams1968 6 жыл бұрын
David Cunningham what size saw are you running? 9” seems like you’re running very low if you’re running a 52” saw. Thank you for the measurements! I will definitely check them against my set up. I think my dads old mill was 24” from guide rail to center of the saw..... let me know the difference. Thanks again man!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
I am running a 54" saw but when I changed the axles from the 00 style to the 01 style, it raised the carriage up. The maximum I can saw with the raised carriage is 20-1/2".
@lindsaythomas2283
@lindsaythomas2283 6 жыл бұрын
Well done, we're happy for you. Does your brother get over to the Hale Farm Music festival in Ohio in July ? He looks familiar.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly I don't think he has left NC in the past 15 years. Glad you enjoyed the video, check out the other two I have on here as well.
@maximummarklee
@maximummarklee 7 жыл бұрын
That is a monumental achievement and I congratulate you. I'm curious what your investment (in dollars) was. I'd also highly advise you to keep the youngsters out of the building. until they are in their teens!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 7 жыл бұрын
Mark, we were just above the $30k range on the restoration and that did not include the shed. One third of that was in the new carriage frame and axles with the rest being made up in small amounts that in the end add up to a lot. That to say, I could have bought a new mill for the price of the restoration but I would not have learned all that I did in the process.
@puncherdavis9727
@puncherdavis9727 5 жыл бұрын
And now in 2-18 I bet he has cut and sold the million board feet to break even on all the unexpected fixings this nice mill needed :)
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Not sure how much we have sawed but have sawed quiet a bit. Problem is, my day job gets in the way of my personal life so I don't get to saw as much as I would like to!
@puncherdavis9727
@puncherdavis9727 5 жыл бұрын
Take Joy and Solice where you can and smile for the next time you enjoy it. I think I would probably set up a cot and a radio at the saw and grow crops so Id never move :)
@neilmacleod5371
@neilmacleod5371 4 жыл бұрын
Set that up so the carriage doesn't creep like that , there will be parts of you missing if you keep it set up like that
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 4 жыл бұрын
Neil, that was fixed a long time ago. You are right, that creeping was scary!
@martyadams3915
@martyadams3915 3 жыл бұрын
Is this mill still running? We used a 190 hp Cummings on one of our mills and it ran like a top. We had alot more load than you though. Slab belt, edger and a dust chain for the edger. Man I want a mill so bad but my old body says nope you stay away from that lol.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the mill is still operational. Unfortunately my 40hr a week job keeps me busy and hard to find time at the mill. Haven't had logs in a long time. Need to scrap some up and do another video.
@dalethomas8866
@dalethomas8866 5 жыл бұрын
Where did you order the axles from? I'm buying a Frick 00 sawmill here in Virginia to start a sawmill business, and I'm curious where to get parts from?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Dale, I got all of my parts from D&D Sawmill Parts and Service out of Chambersburg PA.
@dalethomas8866
@dalethomas8866 5 жыл бұрын
@@davidcunningham257 thank you. It's a very impressive job you did on this!
@elliottsawmill9616
@elliottsawmill9616 6 жыл бұрын
I met you at the shooting range one day. I need to talk to you about that Cummins engine. What is a good way to get up with you
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
Give me a call on my cell.
@invisiblewithlibertyandjus8458
@invisiblewithlibertyandjus8458 3 жыл бұрын
Can anyone come and watch? I'd love to see this being operated! Be hard for me to just stand there and watch. I would itch and squirm to just get to help do something even if it was just stacking the lumber!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately in today's times, we don't allow visitors at the mill due to liability issues. My insurance company had a fit with me putting the mill on our property but would probably drop me if I allowed visitors.
@louisgorman8446
@louisgorman8446 3 жыл бұрын
where did you get the new axles and wheels
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
I got all of the parts through D&D Sawmill Services out of Chambersburg PA. They made the carriage frame as well, or rather worked with the machine shop in PA to have it made.
@scotthunt9529
@scotthunt9529 5 жыл бұрын
I am considering a restoration project very similar to this one, how much did it cost to complete, if you dont mind my asking.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Scott, it was in the range of $32k and that doesn't include the cost of the shed, that is sawmill only. I kept a running tab on it as we were building it. I could have bought a new Frick for that price but would not have learned how to repair and align it. What type of mill are you considering restoring?
@scotthunt9529
@scotthunt9529 5 жыл бұрын
Looking at frick 00, and frick 0. Working mills for 5k and under. But I know they will need repair. Found 1 for really cheap, but was wood frame and it rotted away. It had no carriage, and an obsolete blade
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
@@scotthunt9529 If you can, I would go with an 0 or an 01. You can still get parts for those more easily. I have the 00 and had to have the mandrel custom machined. My axles are 01 as the 00 axles are no longer available but that set my carriage up higher and I lost cutting thickness.
@markthompsoncpa
@markthompsoncpa 5 жыл бұрын
Could you hinge the one support you keep stepping over
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
The supports are made from railroad tracks so it would be tough to hinge a section but this issue has been on my list. Problem is, I keep adding logs to the rack and don't get around to addressing this issue. We had thought we might build a wooden "bridge" that we could place over the rail and then let it rest on the carriage frame and use that only when loading logs. We think it will work...just haven't gotten around to building it yet.
@dalethomas8866
@dalethomas8866 5 жыл бұрын
How far apart did you space your post under the track?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Dale, I honestly don’t recall but think it is 3 or 4 ft. I am traveling this weekend but can measure when I get back next week.
@dalethomas8866
@dalethomas8866 5 жыл бұрын
@@davidcunningham257 hey that'd be awesome! My wife and I are traveling to Missouri and won't be home till the 8th anyway, thanks so much!
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Dale, sorry it has taken me so long to get back with you. Life is crazy sometimes. I checked the mill last night and the posts are no more than 3'-6" apart. There are some that are closer due to location of a cross member or joint in the track as my track has two twelve foot sections that come off of the ends for transporting and we placed a post and beam directly under those joints. We put in two posts and then made a wood I beam out of 2x8s that span across the two posts. Hope this helps.
@dalethomas8866
@dalethomas8866 5 жыл бұрын
@@davidcunningham257 hey thanks so much! That's a big help :)
@dalethomas8866
@dalethomas8866 5 жыл бұрын
How long is The carriage on this mill?
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
It has a 16ft carriage and will saw a 20ft log.
@donniebargo964
@donniebargo964 4 жыл бұрын
You need to have had the blade hammered for the dish in it and put wooden dowels in your blade guide
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 4 жыл бұрын
Blade was hammered and wooden guides are also installed.
@louisgorman8446
@louisgorman8446 3 жыл бұрын
wgat is the average rpm of your blade
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
The saw is hammered for 600rpm but the engine typically runs it at 625. Sometimes the engine gets a little faster for some reason. I probably need to have the blade hammered for 625 or 630rpm and be done with it.
@garykrutsinger1651
@garykrutsinger1651 7 жыл бұрын
any way hope this helps if its needed
@MusicMike939
@MusicMike939 6 жыл бұрын
Use eye and hearing protection please. Old timers didnt know better.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 6 жыл бұрын
We are using hearing protection and eye protection. Just can't see the ear buds in the video but we do always wear it. Not sure how they did it years ago sawing all day without hearing protection.
@theshadow1559
@theshadow1559 5 жыл бұрын
Great restoration rebuild on a great old saw. Albeit, I am sure that you got pretty frustrated several times over those 4 years before the total restoration was completed. Now, that's all in the past and behind you and only great sawing days are ahead. On a second issue, I know that it is none of my business, but I have just got to give my opinion, that being, that a sawmill is no place for children to play around, near nor in, even when the saw is off and no sawing is taking place. Just saying.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
Shadow, thanks, yes the mill does saw well now and is a joy to operate. With regards to my son at the mill, I respectfully disagree. If you don't teach them early how to respect machinery and repeat that process over and over, when they go to work on the machine as they get older, they may end up learning in a way that could affect them for the rest of their lives. He knows that when we are sawing, he isn't to be near the saw. If he needs me, he comes to the edge of the sawmill shed and gets my attention so I can shut it down if need be. When it is off, he helps get all of the sawdust out from under it and yes, has bumped his head a few times and skinned a knee or two but that is the learning process. He has been riding a tractor since he was 6 months old, can operate the forks on the forklift and by the time he gets in his upper teens, he will know how to operate all of the equipment safely and not put himself at risk. On top of all of that, just like I, he will fondly remember playing in the sawdust pile the rest of his life.
@garykrutsinger1651
@garykrutsinger1651 8 жыл бұрын
looks good i know you have had lots of advice but i would like to help is your saw hammerd to your rpm and different teath make a big difference in sawing the saw sounded great wasent crowding the bunk when returned you mus have the lead set rite....>>>www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/misc/circsaw.pdf hope it helps always wanted to set one up myself
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 8 жыл бұрын
+gary krutsinger Gary thanks so much. Yes the blade is hammered for 600rpm. Also, we have a copy of the book you shared the link to and keep it close by the mill. Our problem has been controlling the speed of the engine as it tends to creep up and let the saw go to 680rpm. I had the injectors, the injector pump and the governor all checked. The injectors and governor were good with the exception of some minor tweaks and the injection pump was rebuilt. As things go, when I put the injectors back in, I got off on the wrong timing mark and bent all of the pushrods for the injectors. I have new ones and installing them right after Christmas and will see how it goes on getting the engine to hold a stable speed. Thanks again.
@garykrutsinger1651
@garykrutsinger1651 8 жыл бұрын
good luck find a old junkyard mechanic all these new guys know is to look it up
@gary24752
@gary24752 3 жыл бұрын
No knee bracing on a building that high? I think you had better hire a structural engineer to look at that building structure.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 3 жыл бұрын
I am a mechanical engineer and structural engineer reviewed and signed off on the shed. Will handle 80mph winds, has been through 60+ with no issues. Since there are no walls for wind to push on, you don't need the bracing. If I enclosed it, we would have a different situation on our hands!
@alberteinstein9045
@alberteinstein9045 5 жыл бұрын
(SFPM x 12) + π x Dia = RPM
@tarmstrong4058
@tarmstrong4058 3 жыл бұрын
This may be a stupid question but what is SFPM?
@alberteinstein9045
@alberteinstein9045 3 жыл бұрын
@@tarmstrong4058 (Surface Feet Per Minute)
@paublusamericanus292
@paublusamericanus292 5 жыл бұрын
good grief, horror story on running down problems. now this mill can put 20 men to work for 40 years before that engine and bearings wear out. with a lot of blade sharpening.
@davidcunningham257
@davidcunningham257 5 жыл бұрын
It was a pain to get it going but now that it saws so nice, it is a pleasure to operate.
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