When Great Movies Flop At The Box Office

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[@angelvasquez1592]

Can you do a video on Buffy the vampire please

[@satisfied656]

For 10.000$ you could buy a car AND a small home/apartment in 1955....today for 115.000$ you could barely buy either of them...today this amount is sadly not much! You can make a living for 2 yrs before it´s gone!

[@missourigreen051]

The topic of your video actually happens a lot in real life, even as early as January 1988 when Return of the Living Dead 2 came out and it's a really fun zombie movie, even like it more then the first movie, and a movie called For Keeps came out during the same time and somehow made more money then ROTLD 2. For Keeps is about a teenage girl who got pregnant and is trying to decide if she should keep it or not, yes that movie somehow made more money then the really fun Return of the Living Dead 2. I saw Scott Pilgrim vs. the World in the theater even though it did badly. Some recent examples, the movie Dredd somehow did badly when it first came out. I was one of the few lucky people who got to see it in 3D, and combines that with watching a really awesome action movie makes it a theater expereince worth paying for. I think a really sad example is the 2017 Power Rangers movie(I blame Disney for this because of Beauty and the Beast), it is a good movie that shows what a serious grounded remake of the first season of Power Rangers would be like, and the reason why I call it's box office failure sad because before the movie was released they had plans on what the sequel would be like. When the movie came out and saw the poor box office they scrapped the sequel plans.

[@hypernovatv911]

The movie that I think is the absolute best movie I’ve seen in 15 years is ‘the girl in the spider’s Web.’ I’ve seen it 31 times since it came out in 2018. It stars claire foy of the Crown. It only made $35 million on a $43 million budget. I think it flopped because people were expecting Daniel Craig to reprise his role. The information I heard was they tried for seven years to get another movie made and because the 2011 movie that proceeded it under performed, they decided to go in another direction. I’m glad they did because I absolutely despised the 2011 movie the girl in the Dragon tattoo remake. I do not know Rooney Mara or her work and Daniel Craig had too much screen time. After watching that movie, my thought was it should’ve been called James Bond the journalist. I hated that movie so much that I forgot that I had even seen it. I tried to watch it again recently, but it was so horrible at the 20 minute mark. I just turned it off and swore never to watch it again.

[@lawjef]

Challengers was a massive flop. Fall guy was designed to generate subs not to be a good movie.

[@eremiss4771]

EVERYTHING is gonna "flop" (esp from a financial standpoint) at the box office when the movie budget is SO FUCKING BIG. Movie budgets are getting ridiculous these days

[@KariIzumi1]

That too

[@lutilda]

Right! What I need are box office numbers based on number of views. Not money!

[@purelysmetalnightcore]

Exact same situation with video games right now. No one asked for video games to start costing $100+ million to make and now the big companies have been shutting down their smaller studios under their umbrella to make up for how much money they've lost.

[@Tacom4ster]

Yeah, stop valuating movie with capitalism, like Avatar made a billion bucks, but barely left a cultural impact, like are people already forgetting the sequel?

[@luiscalzoncit2820]

He mentioned this in his video about Blockbuster movies

[@DrunkenPadawan]

The story I've heard about the failure of "Treasure Planet" is that Disney wanted to make the switch to full CGI because the old animation creators had more expensive union contracts. But they were still required by some old contract to make this movie. So they did, spent little to nothing on advertisment and let it die, so they could use this flop as a justification to fire all their animators and go full CGI.

[@BurkeanMama]

Sounds like Iger would do that.

[@LizzyLoves91]

@@BurkeanMamawhile I agree, does sound like an Iger move, he wasn’t president at Disney yet. That mishap falls under Michael Eisner. It was one of many that happened towards the end of his tenure.

[@MrDeuce006]

That story can’t be true because the budget was $140 million which made it the most expensive animated movie at the time. They wouldn’t invest that amount of money into a planned flop.

[@alexandredesouza3692]

That's Horrible

[@joshuamarks4425]

@@MrDeuce006 Disney immediately reduced their fourth quarter earnings only a few days after the film came out, declaring that they must take a writeoff of $74 million after it predictably underperformed at the box office which would give them a reason to cut costs after they conveniently reshuffled their board so they can reorganize the company. Eisner's management at the time planned this well in advance.

[@skylaralley2465]

Movie theaters are so beyond expensive. Me and my cousin went to the theaters on a Monday night, got one drink and one bag of popcorn, and it was $30. No one can afford to go to the movies anymore, especially if it’s gonna be out on streaming a month or so later

[@OlafavonGoeding]

Exactly! Hence why I'm saving theatre for some sort of a spectacle that is best enjoyed on a big screen (e.g. Dune, Blade Runner, etc ). A comedy can be easily watched on a phone screen and still be enjoyable

[@freezhollywood]

I know not many can but thts why I go on Tues nights. $7 tues.

[@cmcloseful]

This exactly

[@baylithe]

Either you both got a drink and popcorn and spent $15 each, or you're overexaggerating. Large drink is $8-$12. Large popcorn is $9-12.

[@skylaralley2465]

@@baylithe not at the theatre near my college. Not every theatre has the same prices

[@Kalel2.0]

I think another reason the Suicide Squad failed was by the time it came out a lot of the general audience had lost all trust and faith in the DCEU as by that point a lot of their movies consistently really lacked a lot in quality compared to the MCU

[@shawklan27]

Also HBO Max released it same day alongside it coming out in the peak of covid restrictions

[@MrBazBake]

The Batman made 500 million though.

[@SecretMagician]

​@@MrBazBakepeople, mostly DC fans, already knew it was an Elseworlds story disconnected to the DCEU and as previously mentioned, The Suicide Squad came out on streaming the same day on theatres.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

And even the MCU lost some trust because 1) there seem to be an overflow and 2) because Disney was pumping them out so quick, there was a loss of quality.

[@smittyjjensin558]

Also R ratings typically do not rake in as much money

[@annetanoh3891]

The KZbinr Mina Le made a video essay about the subscription fatigue. And one thing she mentionned was that back then, studio could make the money back by selling DVDs of the movie. So it gave them more freedom in the writting and production, because even if people didn’t go watch in cinema or didn’t like it, those who liked it would purchase the DVDs. That was the case for Fight Club for example. People didn’t understand the marketing so didn’t go watch in theathers. But then those who watched spread the word and it made the money back with the DVDs sales.

[@dowman5]

The swift death of the DVD market, thanks to streaming services, did way more damage than most people acknowledge. It's why Hollywood is all in on blockbusters over mid-tier movies, which end up being fodder for streaming, since they don't make money in theaters. I used to go on DVD spending sprees every Christmas season at Best Buy to gift people multiple movies, and to catch up or collect movies that I liked or were interested in. Hell, that's the only reason I watched Edge of Tomorrow during COVID, since I bought a copy years ago. Sadly, after 2020, Best Buy no longer sold DVDs, aside from new releases. This is going to have massive consequences down the line. Hell, it's causing problems since COVID restrictions lifted.

[@amandacollinsmalmftrpt5663]

I was coming on here to mention her too!

[@purelysmetalnightcore]

I remember hearing that Godzilla: King of the Monsters didn't do amazing in the box office - it made a profit but not as much as the studio was expecting - but DVD sales for it were massive. I got a DVD myself. The last 2 movies with Kong have been doing well on their own which is good, but it's so stupid that studios have just forgotten that DVDs are cheap to produce and people absolutely still want them. I saw a video recently about how game developers are making physical game sales look a lot smaller than they really are because of how they group every video game, and DLC, and microtransaction purchase in a singular metric instead of breaking them up. I can't imagine game cartridges and boxes are actually that expensive to produce, especially nowadays when guide books and pamphlets that used to come with games don't exist anymore. It's why new reports have shown that people are not only watching more of older TV shows, but also going back and playing older games more often.

[@wawaicedcoffee]

DVD and VHS!

[@clarapilier]

That is another point. Movies executives expect to gross all the money of the movie in wide release in theaters because physical media is dying or dead. Also you had to wait like a year to watch a movie on HBO after it was released in theaters now you just have to wait for like three months or less to catch it in a streaming service. There not incentive to watch it in a movie theater.

[@baylithe]

Movie theater manager here. Biggest issue we have is the pricing is making people hesitant to come see movies weekly. When tickets are almost $20 a piece it makes it hard to think of when a good time to go when weekly movies are coming out. Furiosa is amazing and its busiest number for its opening night was under 75. Hollywood controls the prices and we get almost no money from it. (That's why concessions are so expensive, that's what we make money on) Hollywood is also making us not accept passes to movies for the first two weeks something is out, when they tell us to give out passes when there is an issue. Also, The Northman was amazing and is based on the Norse legend which is what Hamlet is based on. So its basically a live action Lion King. Issue with it was release date. Things that come out in April tend to not do well unless its during Spring Break.

[@mixafx]

I work at a movie theater and I agree, the prices are ridiculous. 2 people come in to watch a movie and it’s 9$ per ticket + our over priced concessions we have which makes it all the more worst. I’d argue it’s also the amount of time certain movies spend in theaters, I remember how Pricilla was in theaters for like 2 days then it was insta pulled to streaming.

[@lalehiandeity1649]

Occum’s Razor would say the biggest problem is that Hollywood is unable to speak to younger audiences. If you look at indie animated shows on KZbin like The Amazing Digital Circus, Hazbin Hotel, etc, they’re an enormous far cry from the sensibilities which Hollywood continually panders to.

[@ccaatthheerriinnee]

Also, the fees are infuriating, and you can’t get around them. And for the price, the theater experience isn’t up to par (at least at my local theaters)

[@Nikimouse311]

I work for Warner Bros (corporate) and I worked on Furiosa. I was so hyped for this movie. I knew it was going to be good, and it was. But yea, I think it’s the prices. I have no kids, it’s just my bf and I. Plus we sneak candy into the theaters😂😂 but if you have kids, then only crap, yea this all adds up. I hope things get better cause going to a movie in the theaters goes truly feel different than watching it at home. Something about hearing everyone laugh, or cry or scream at the same time is so much fun. You don’t get that at home. Also, you might get distracted with your phone or other things at home, vs at the theater, you have to pay attention

[@karinalumen9722]

The only time i go see movies is to watch old one. If your a manager focus on that to get your movie lovers in seats and then the “does as told” movie goes (who these big films target) will follow. Basically the lululemon track, market and sell to the “elite of that field” and the rest will follow. But thats just my 2 cents as someone that goes a lot but to watch old movies never new, besides on Christmas. I love yall for that

[@clarapilier]

Too many movies are being made. Too many expensive movies are being made. Too many movie executives wants their movies to be a blockbuster. We are broke and have to make the decision to go watch a movie or wait for the streaming release in a month or so.

[@hata6290]

Sounds more like an economic problem rather than a movie problem 😬

[@clarapilier]

@@hata6290 because it is. If the people don't have the money to go to see every single wannabe blockbuster every single week, they are going to make choices and those choices are going to affect some of these movies.

[@sadhydra]

In the past movie theaters actually did better during recessions, but that was before theaters decided to change their marketing from "working man's entertainment" to "'luxury' experience where you pay $30 for chicken tenders."

[@dublancdedinde]

​@@sadhydra i swear. during these dreadful times, cinemas could make so much more money if they simply stopped being so obnoxious and expensive.

[@ayoa1173]

Expensive not spensive

[@anabourdieu]

Disagree on the Fall Guys marketing and trailers being effective. The trailer didn’t do anything and it felt like was a mid budget Netflix like movie with terrible humor.

[@Вікторіязі]

Can’t agree more! I thought that it was actually Netflix movie, something like “let’s cast a bunch of big names in mediocre action flick so that more people buy subscription”

[@philip7922]

Yep, it looked exactly like the grey man that gosling also did. Which was awful

[@maki55556]

ugh yes trailers are getting worse and worse it's the reason I avoided poor things I found it so cringe but it won oscars so what do I know

[@JuLiane]

Same. After watching the trailer, I felt like I knew the whole movie already. The suspension of disbelief for the plot to work wasn't working, and none of the jokes landed for me. The whole production looked just... mid and the story like action movie cliché.

[@KariIzumi1]

I didn't even see trailers for this movie! I saw exactly one (1) ad for that, which I caught on the Deadpool and Wolverine trailer I watched but basically crickets otherwise.

[@ProcrastinationQueen]

Jennifer’s Body. Perfect example of trying to sell a movie to the wrong audience, by making the trailers a Megan Fox thirst fest instead of the feminine horror that it actually is. So people had no clue what they were going in to watch, they just knew from the Transformers movies that she was hot, so that’s why they were there. The trailers were misleading and from what I remember the writer, Diablo Cody, had no say in how they were marketing the movie, so she just had to watch as it all went to shit.

[@veebearr]

i honestly think the reason some movies are flopping these days is because the internet is so separated. marketing can make all these cool and interesting ads but because ads are now so targeted to certain parts of internet communities thanks to algorithms, one part of the internet might see these cool trailers of new movies while other parts of the internet might not ever get that ad on their timeline/fyp/etc and they just don’t know this movie exists.

[@mp580q7]

I am chronically online and didn't know about the fall guy until this video

[@serenaw4076]

So true! If it wasn’t for my family watching live sports games on tv I would’ve never even seen ads for Fall Guy. I didn’t even know the movie came out already! I do want to see it but I feel sad that it’s already flopping

[@IDiggPattyMayonnaise]

And most people pay to skip ads on streaming. Just so many options to watch without ads

[@liv97497]

You make a good point! I was aware of the fall guy existing but I had no idea when it would come out. I agree with the algorithm bubbles thing and I'll add that they're relying way too much on those algorithms and not doing enough as far as marketing. I work with digital marketing so I do know exactly how we target people. And the truth is, studios haven't been able to replicate the widespread nature of TV ads. The last great marketing campaign I've seen was Barbie.

[@lowlowseesee]

not to mention that every thing is so oversaturated in general.

[@ITSAHARDNUGLIFE]

Hollywood doesn't understand that not everyone wants to go see a movie EVERY weekend or EVERY day! Majority of people have jobs, school, families, friends, other things they want to do. It's practically summer now, and people like to go swimming or go to water parks or river/lake trips. Also Hollywood needs to stop with over budgeted films. Sheesh, they act like gamblers expecting a big win at a casino. And if we're comparing Challengers to Fall Guy, I can guess Challengers had a WAY smaller budget.

[@KariIzumi1]

And even if we wanted to: we are financially unable to. Matinees don't exist for all practical purposes, either, which was how my family ever got to see anything in theaters at all, when tickets could be bought for a movie before 5:30 PM for $4 and a family of four would still have money for a large tub of popcorn. Nowadays, even the popcorn by itself is $7. Unless it's an actual event movie like Oppenheimer, most people are just gonna wait for it to hit streaming in four to six weeks.

[@slsthewriter1299]

@@KariIzumi1 *This.* We're going into a really hard time financially, and fact of the matter is, people are going to prioritize other things over entertainment. Because how can you enjoy entertainment when you don't have food on the table?

[@lenapawlek7295]

So true - even if i want to see multiple movies i usually only choose one even if multiple are very good

[@hollyro4665]

I’m noticing a lot of these films are the sort of thing that very specifically my mum would put on when her adult children are visiting and we don’t have any suggestions of what to put on. Audience intelligence is rising with films and people are not only more broke but becoming more deliberately selective with the films they choose to see. I’m noticing quickly a lot of the films listed have names or cast, properties, we’d all be familiar with but nothing outstanding in its premise to make me wanna spend money or really have any excitement for it. I feel like a lot of these films have big budgets riding on the idea that enough general audiences will go see it because it’s crowd pleasing and generally good quality. And for better or worse that’s just not how we work as an audience anymore. As far as films from this list go The Northman is really the only one I’d take personal interest in that I could’ve personally at an adult age chosen to go see. And the only one I’ve actually seen is Edge of Tomorrow and i found it tedious and didn’t enjoy it.

[@ITSAHARDNUGLIFE]

I'll add people are selective with their time too. I rarely go to cinemas, I go on slow days VS crowded so I don't have to deal with loud people or gross people. Adults....ADULTS that don't wash their hands after using the bathroom make eye contact with me as I'm washing mine (I work at the cinemas btw) then they proceed to touch door handles, go to concessions, touch hot foods, look inside then decide they don't want to buy it, touch all kinds of candy/snack boxes/bags. Hand me money as they stuff their face full of popcorn with butter and saliva all over their fingers. This is why I wear gloves.

[@courtney5796]

1. A trip to the movies for a family of four = $120 for less than 2 hours of entertainment. 2. TVs have gotten so big and good for relatively cheap in the last few years.

[@zachvenus1593]

same crap with live music, they are pricing out themselves and making their own seats empty. I agree

[@ved95]

I have such fond memories of Kubo and the Two Strings. The character design is so intricate yet elegantly streamlined, making it visually stunning while maintaining a simple yet powerful narrative impact.

[@ytubeanon]

yeah, I highly recommend seeing it in 3D

[@LightningRaven42]

Their rendition of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" is a masterpiece.

[@rainecormier2935]

Kubo was incredible, just incredible

[@VS-kf5qw]

I think part of the problem with Kubo is that it's hard to recommend to people. It's a bit of a hard sell for people who only want their kids watching Minions and princesses. I remember enjoying the ride until the ending. In retrospect, I appreciate what it was going for based on the creator interviews... but then you have the dual problem of the movie not managing to get the metaphor across, and the metaphor also being a bummer. A friend and I both saw it independently and actively decided against recommending it to one another for the same reasons.

[@Tunazap]

I accidentally had too many edibles when I saw this movie lol I had to watch it again later, I wasn't sure if what I saw actually happened!

[@jessedellross3245]

Remember when great movies cost around 50-100 million dollars and thus would be almost guaranteed to make a profit? Hollywood needs to get back to that

[@clarapilier]

Remember when we only had one or two blockbuster movies per year and small budgets movies could peacefully breathe without being suffocate by blockbuster expectations every week?

[@rmvdhaak]

Plenty of great movies with that budget that flopped at the box office. Just look at Children of Men for example. Or the Northman from this list.

[@edgardoMurnia]

You have been lied to son

[@mickeycoolmouse]

I don't get this critique. "Hollywood" has been making great movies in that budget, and below. Arguably, that's where most of the great movies lie since those teams have to be way more conscious with their budgets. Let's not kid ourselves. This one's on the audiences.

[@clarapilier]

@@mickeycoolmouse the thing is, that you get 3 or 4 over the top budget every single month and most of us cannot go to the movie theater weekly, the tickets are expensive. So, we make choices. Which movie do we go to see to the theater and which movie we wait for the streaming release.

[@allih8021]

"Edge of Tomorrow" is perhaps one of the smartest, most entertaining sci-fi movies ever made. It's fucking BRILLIANT. I had no desire to see this in theaters because the trailers didn't make it interesting to me at all. I only watched it because my brother went to see it and was emphatic that it was amazing and I would love it. He was SO RIGHT. I've seen it dozens of times at this point and it never, ever gets old. It's so good. Seriously. The characters and actors are top notch. The story is beautifully told - it doesn't pander or spoon feed the audience at all - and the action scenes (even though by the nature of the story they are repetitive) are compelling and exciting. I would KILL for a sequel to this film!

[@edithnackers7127]

I never went to see it because I despise Tom Cruise with a passion but I am going to watch it now.

[@allih8021]

@@edithnackers7127 yeah, I get that. I don't like him as a person either. But I love Emily Blunt! And she's well worth watching in this.

[@wiseauserious8750]

Yeah people were disappointed in Oblivion and figured it was a repeat of that, when it turned out to be one of the best sci-fi action movies ever. Shame.

[@tehduffman]

one of my favorite movies ever

[@Gwynarra2]

Such a great movie in spite of Tom Cruise. Emily Blunt is a bad ass in it and Paxton’s performance is so good. Edge of Tomorrow is such a bland title, sounds like an old school soap opera. “Live, Die, Repeat” would have been a much better title.

[@trinaq]

Thank you for giving some love to "Atlantis." I loved this movie as a child, and always wished that it was talked about more frequently. The same goes for "Treasure Planet."

[@beccaf.3294]

i saw those in theatres multiple times as a kid so it was shocking to hear how they flopped so hard!!!

[@kaleshabastion2332]

Same! I'm making my husband find both as we speak.

[@sonorasgirl]

100%!! So good!

[@flipina]

Same! Can't believe it was a flop then

[@thedrinkinggames9573]

I was 12 when Treasure Planet came out. I loved the hell out of it, I think that I convinced both my parents to see it with me (they were divorced) and then went with a friend. I never understood why it did so poorly. I am also someone who loves mashups of different things for alternative timelines, like the whole steampunk aesthetic and the vintage-nuclear future of Fallout. Treasure Planet was "steampunk in space" and I was IN FOR IT

[@thestatusjoe9949]

A big problem I notice nowadays with marketing for movies is that there will be a bunch of ads for a movie months before it comes out and then nothing once it’s actually released. Basically every movie I watch in theaters I don’t find out it’s out until I go on twitter and see people talking about it. I think a lot of studios have a big focus on “generating hype” and blow all the marketing budget far in advance of the release, and I almost never see ads saying stuff like “coming out this Friday” or “in theaters now” like I used to. I’d definitely see a lot more movies in theaters if they put a much bigger emphasis on when the movie was actually coming out so I could make plans in advance or at the very least notice it when it’s currently airing. For people who aren’t constantly on like the fandango app looking at what’s currently showing, there needs to be better awareness of when movies are in theaters. Of course I don’t think this would entirely solve the problem, but for me personally I’ve missed several movies I was excited about because as soon as they released the marketing campaign died and I only thought to check when they were coming out after their run was ending

[@beccaf.3294]

this makes so much sense. theres been a bunch of movies i was hyped to see in theatres because i thought they were coming out later when they were already in theatres

[@KariIzumi1]

Coincidentally, I've been seeing ads for what looks like a very cute movie (and funny, which was more shocking as Will Ferrell was starring in it) called _Youre Cordially Invited_ for Amazon Prime. It's release date? January 30th, 2025 It's just.....very odd to me that they'd start a ad campaign this far out in advance.

[@tabathaalshalhoub1653]

I remember hearing about Challengers (Zendaya movie) a while ago, so when I saw a video about it this week, I was like, that movie from last year? But it was JUST released. So, yeah, completely agree. They hype things up too far in advance. My attention span is not that long anymore.

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

This! I feel like movie ads don't reach me that well or at the correct time. I got a bunch on Abigail ads in like February and totally forgot that it's out now. And this has been happening for a while. I completely missed that one of the Star Wars sequels had come out like almost a year prior, because there was so much production hype, that I feel like I missed the actual ads for the movie.

[@commandwolf713]

THIS!! I remember hearing NOTHING about Bullet Train until the week of release. My dad saw the trailer on TV and wanted to see it. We planned it all out and all of us were able to go the 2nd weekend. The same thing happened with the newest Planet of the Apes. My mom saw the trailer on Peacock about 2 weeks before release. We were able to go opening weekend. My sister saw The Fall Guy trailers on Hulu(?) maybe a month before release. The release date was too far away so we decided to make plans later and never actually did. Lol. We did eventually see it but 2 weeks is probably the sweet spot. My brother wants to see Deadpool & Wolverine so let's hope we get to see it in theaters whenever that releases.

[@generalblight1697]

Lisa Frankenstein could’ve been a cult classic for the 2020s

[@SavagesInMyTown]

the twee garbage will never be a cult classic

[@feet300]

Except Warm Bodies came out in 2013, was basically the same plot, but a better movie.

[@roderick8167]

Movies like The Fall Guy and Abigail flopping at the box office truly makes me sad especially Abigail since it was only in theaters for only a little over two weeks before Universal decided to release it on digital / streaming 🤦

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Abigail was so much fun too.

[@roderick8167]

​@@katherinealvarez9216Facts, in my opinion it's still the funnest movie I've watched this year so far

[@hata6290]

No shot Abigail was good that’s crazy. It really looked like the cringiest old person take on robots movie ever from the trailers

[@roderick8167]

@@hata6290 you'll never know if you don't give it a shot but if you don't want to that's you dude.

[@hata6290]

@@roderick8167 Roderick

[@stm22]

The title should be "Textbook on how WB sabotages their own movies"

[@KariIzumi1]

That video would make a Quinton Reviews video look like Vine in comparison ☠️😭

[@spacecadet-zero]

Love this essay as always! A couple small corrections: 1. Fall Guy isn’t an original property. It is a remake of an early 80’s TV show starring Lee Majors (the Six Million Dollar Man himself). Although it is more of a loving parody a la 21 Jumpstreet than straight remake. 2. The guy who tried to destroy Citizen Kane wasn’t a journalist: he was William Randolph Hearst - the Rupert Murdoch/Jeff Bezos of his day. And in fact the Hearst Corp is still a $21b media empire. He hated it because the Charles Foster Kane character was an unflattering analog for Hearst.

[@hevykevy316]

That comment about "some journalist tried to block the film's release" bugged the hell out of me. Like saying JFK was "some politician that was shot somewhere in texas"

[@DontLookBehindYou1]

I'm glad somebody else remembered that Fall Guy was an old TV show...

[@lucypeace6132]

It bugged me like crazy that he said it was original. They could have called it anything else, called the main character anything else and I would have happily totted to the cinema to watch it. But not only did they do a “loving parody” but he’s not even a bounty hunter. It feels like it was either a completely different movie changed to capitalise on an older property or it was adapted by someone who read Wikipedia. That’s why it bombed. They alienated Gen X and Boomers, the two audiences the title may have appealed too had they done it better.

[@manuelmialdea5127]

I'm still pretty sad DnD Honor Among Thieves didn't do better, I adore it and have seen it like 4 times since.

[@stacylgh]

I think a lot of people skipped it in the theater to protest some stuff Hasbro was doing with D&d right before it was released.

[@Sylarah15]

@@stacylgh Yeah, Hasbro pissing off their main demographic of DnD players right before the release of Honor Among Thieves was certainly a choice. It is also a shame, cause the movie is delightful and I want a sequel so bad.

[@beccaf.3294]

agreed it was so fun!!! hasbro really shot themselves in the foot by pissing off all the DND fans. it did flop, but i think the studio at least recouped the money spent on it so maybe it will come back around

[@roderick8167]

Yeah that DND movie was great and this is coming from someone that's never played anything to do with DND before

[@eloisou8485]

Same !watched it on Netflix and it's a perfect mix of aventure and humour, i absolutely loved it and wasnt expecting much !

[@wiiink]

I was so surprised Lisa Frankenstein flopped earlier this year, I went to watch it with my fiancé for Valentine's Day because it's technically a rom-com and I loved it but I haven't heard much talk about it and it didn't do well in theatres. I feel like it's def a cult classic in the making, especially when it takes a ton of inspiration from so many different cult classics

[@DSh1105]

I loved Lisa Frankenstein I even drew some iconic outfits/scenes and I am hopping to do more.

[@hollyro4665]

I couldn’t decide if I wanted to see it or not. But I think you sort of answered your own questions a bit. You saw it on Valentine’s Day cause it’s a Rom-com. Some of your main reasons for seeing it were “cause that’s what your sort of meant to do on that day and it fit the description”. I mean this with 0 offence, each to their own, but that’s a very old school mind set. I don’t think I’ve ever had my husband watch a Rom-com cause it’s date night. Our last cinema trip was Easter. We skipped the chocolate eggs and instead split the cost of 2 large drinks and 2 large popcorn going to see Godzilla 😂. And last time we sat down to really watch a film together we put on Train to Busan cause we really get into it and have a good time with it. I think old school to watch romance because you’re doing romance. We do romance by cheering on big lizards together I guess 😂.

[@Axterix13]

Rom-coms are also the type of movies easy for streaming services to crank out. Can be pretty formulaic, don't need a big budget, being average is typically good enough. So plenty of out of theater competition.

[@shannonceleste5557]

😛 sO 😜 QuiRkY 😝

[@hollyro4665]

@@shannonceleste5557 can’t tell if that was at me for watching Godzilla instead of rom-com on date night. If it was I wouldn’t call it quirky, more generational turnover.

[@bohdaicitta]

The Fall Guy is an old TV show. The movie is not a direct copy, but it's not an "original" idea

[@tmmartinesq.6216]

Right

[@metalheadnick555]

I was going to say the same thing, but I think it's original ENOUGH. The movie isn't nostalgia bait for the 5 people who saw the show and is most certainly not beholden to the source material, and none of the marketing even references that the original show even existed. Yes, it's a remake, but I think it gets a pass because it wasn't relying on the fact it was a remake to make money

[@riddlerzq]

Came here to say this!

[@pobbityboppity1110]

And even despite this, the movie’s premise is still kind of generic and uninteresting. There’s nothing clever about it.

[@kitzbuehel910]

I'd probably watch the Fall guy, if it was without Ryan Gosling. Lee Majors was a "next door hero" - Ryan is everything else. 😂

[@DariaElGrellPozina]

Tbh these days I'm just tired of feeling like the responsibility for the future of entertainment is on me at every point. "You gotta watch this show or it's gonna get canceled", "you gotta watch this movie or it's the last of it's kind". And, like, I get it, voting with your wallet and such, but it's so tiring feeling that ALL THE TIME for years now. Shows I've watched religiously, made my friends watch and that got to top 5 on their respective platforms still got cancelled. Movies I dragged my ass to see even though COVID precautions weren't really enforced or now when at any time the showing might get cancelled because of the air raid alerts still flopped. And the way everything's going I would much rather support releases I like with DVDs (or, like, flash drives since I don't own a single disc reader at this point) or merch if any was sold where I live.

[@Mimi-sg6fe]

I mean, everything is so fucking expensive nowadays. Who has the money to go to the cinema once a week? 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@OlafavonGoeding]

All fair points. Also let's not pretend that these mega corporations struggle

[@Duollop]

I’m also just tired period. I want to see all of these movies. I’ve seen some already, but it’s gotten to the point where I just want to get home and sleep. I just don’t watch most movies during opening weekend because some weekends are ones where I’m doing nothing so I can prepare for another tiring week in late-stage capitalism.

[@shadowcat7987]

@@Mimi-sg6fe So true! Especially when I can enjoy entire TV shows on streaming for a monthly subscription that costs less than a single movie ticket - WITHOUT food nor drinks.

[@harleyskawronik6382]

It's not our responsibility to keep these shows/ movies afloat it's the people doing it. They're unoriginal and overdone, overpriced, the actors can't act anymore, and people can't write either.

[@katherinealvarez9216]

Sometimes I think of John Carpenter's The Thing and how it bombed at the box office but got a second life on TV and VHS. Sometimes, a movie gets released at a weird time, or doesn't get the support from the studio and gets neglected, or the rest the world needs to catch up with it in order to appreciate it.

[@thomasffrench3639]

There’s quite a few reasons why The Thing failed in my view. It was at the peak of the slasher genre, so people were either going to see Friday the 13th or another slasher like House on Sorority Row. You also had Poltergeist which was the big horror film of the year overshadowing, mixed with ET having a very opposite philosophy. Speaking of philosophy, The Thing was a very dark film which was a large contrast to what people wanted from a film in the early 80s, another reason why Blade Runner failed. And the people left that might be interested in a high quality horror film, they saw that the critic reviews were not very high so decided to skip the movie. So all things considered it’s surprising that it even made as much money as it did

[@johndemoor4074]

When I think of movies that I love but flopped the thing always comes up

[@jordanorlando1174]

I absolutely love when you do videos like this! I always discover new movies that I've never heard of that sound super compelling, like "Night of the Hunter!" I've never heard of it but it sounds amazing.

[@anaalicia5029]

I can’t believe the Shawshank Redemption flopped at the time

[@devonmunn5728]

Cult classic are like that. You can't really tell when something will be one, just kind of becomes on on its own

[@anaalicia5029]

@@devonmunn5728 im glad it became one, bc it was often on tv; I saw this as a child and countless times after

[@royalxprincessbaka6875]

Most of the time, movies become popular due to home releases on VHS/DVD or reruns on television. Nowadays, streaming services often fulfill that role.

[@devonmunn5728]

@@royalxprincessbaka6875 That does remind me of how not long ago when the film Splice was added to Netflix and a bunch of people were watching it for the first time (even Amanda The Jedi and Kennie J.D. did videos on it, the latter even having seen the film when it was in theaters when it came out but did her video on it when people started talking about it)

[@jamesknapp64]

I can, its the type of *GREAT* movie that can get lost in theaters, also look at what was out its release week. Here was the top 10 the week of Release: 1. Timecop (JCVD movie back when he was an A List) 2. Terminal Velocity (action movie about rescuing people mountain climbing, Chris O'Donald staring when he was near A-List) 3. Forrest Gump 4. Quiz Show 5. Clear and Present Danger 6. Natural Born Killers 7. The Mask 8. True Lies That is a STACKED week for any movie to try and break into.

[@bluecookies4ever]

I've only felt motivated to go see a movie in theaters these days when it's something that I think has to be experienced on the big screen. Growing up, I used to go to the theater to see any new movie that I was interested in. I ended up seeing a movie every month or two with friends and family. However, with rising prices for movie tickets and concessions and the fact that most theaters near me have deteriorated in quality and upkeep, these days I don't feel inclined to get tickets for every movie that I want to see. I'll typically watch most movies I'm interested in on whatever streaming service it's on from the comfort of my own home. I did see Dune 2 in IMAX and actually drove to a different city just to see it on the best screen possible. I'm really glad I did that, but I feel that was the exception.

[@jamesknapp64]

Yeah I used to go to movies a LOT. Take say 2008: Dark Knight, Iron Man, Indy Jones Fan Fiction, Hanncock, Quantuam of Solence, Naria: Prince Caspian, Get Smart, National Treasure 2, Vantage Point, Saw V, Rambo, X-Files 7 years too late sequel; this is listing by boxofficemojo box office and I might be forgetting some; or about 1 a month. since the Pandemic: Dune 1, The Batman, Top Gun 2, Saw X, Dune 2 5 movies in 4 years; there were months I might see 5 movies in theaters before.

[@thichinhphan4010]

"concessions"?

[@bluecookies4ever]

@@thichinhphan4010 'Concessions' is the term for food/drink sold at venues such as movie theaters. So popcorn, nachos, Icees, etc. The term derives from the name for the contracts, known as 'concessions', that are made with third-party vendors which allow them to sell food/drink on the premises.

[@ThePatDoran]

I absolutely love Edge of Tomorrow (Live Die Repeat). I’ve watched it dozens of times. I showed it to my girlfriend once and she said “you wouldn’t know you lost the power until you died and did not restart.” That broke my brain and made me feel dumb as hell. I still love the movie tho.

[@Zett76]

Don't they explain it with a feeling, that the connection to the hivemind is gone, or something like that? But yeah, I always think something like that, with movie like EoT, Groundhog Day or Palm Springs (great movie): How do you know that the loop is endless, and not limited to, say, 100 loops or 100 deaths? 😀 P.S.: saw it at the cinema. (and Fight Club, 15 years earlier)

[@TommerRissin]

The one missing from the list is "Prince of Egypt" the absolute masterpiece from dream works that was also received very poorly at the time, but is considered a classic today

[@HisameArtwork]

it was a flop then and would be boycotted and worse today. you're expected to simpathise with someone that kills children to gain their freedom. most ppl aren't gonna root for that, then ad current events to it. I'm glad the film isn't bashed but it doesn't need the attention right now.

[@loneranterism]

It was a poor remake of the ten commandments...that everyone had seen. It added nothing to the story

[@JoeNoshow27]

I enjoyed watching it as a kid, but it has some pretty messed up religious messages in it. Don't agree with the big boss man in the sky? There goes your first born. Sorry Billy. I know you did nothing wrong, but you're in hell now cuzz your dad didn't respect the big sky boss.

[@LuisSierra42]

@@loneranterism It is very different from the 10 commandments

[@erocgittens5962]

Agree. The music from that movie changed my life

[@TheWhatLs]

There's actually a lot that went into the flop of Treasure Planet. If you're interested, there's some great doc on KZbin about it. But in short: it is theorized Disney sabotaged themselves to have a reason to stop doing 2D animation.

[@fishbol478]

That's really heart breaking considering it was 2d animation that propelled them to where they are today

[@KillahMate]

@@fishbol478 Why would a corporate executive care about that? Expecting 'loyalty' and 'respect' from a corporation is foolish. Always expect that they will try to do whatever makes them the most money, and you'll get your heart broken less.

[@BeadandChill]

It was also a passion project that Disney really didn't want to make anyway, they had promised the creator if he made two or three other movies then he could make Treasure Planet. So when it finally came time to release it they buried it on a horrible opening weekend so they could be like "welp, told you no one wanted to see this" to the creator and blamed him for it doing poorly

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@BeadandChill And also they put it up against Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, that's a suicide mission

[@BeadandChill]

@@ShadowSonic2 exactly. They picked that weekend on purpose to kill it

[@toastboy42]

the movie Speed Racer directed by the Wachowski Sisters is SO GOOD but it flopped so badly and was forgotten by everyone. highly recommend it, it’s a neon colored insanely good time

[@vins1979]

Not to mention Cloud Atlas, the Wachowski's sisters misunderstood masterpiece!

[@mamacat144]

Yes I love both speed racer and cloud atlas definetly the watchkowski’s finest movies!! But both huge flops.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Speed Racer was released at the wrong time alongside Iron Man so it had no chance of winning

[@LizzieShiro]

It was the perfect adaptation of a crazy, cheesy show. Damn shame it bombed.

[@eatatjoes6751]

I think what makes movies like this flop worse in the streaming era is that there are no rental stores and we don’t place as much hype around DVDs anymore, so it just flops no matter how good or bad it is. See: Jennifer’s Body.

[@roderick8167]

Yep if a movie flops in theaters these days then that's pretty much a killshot on said movie , you can't count on DVD sales to save the movie anymore

[@splatsunemiku]

jennifer's body was ahead of its time, it wasn't well received back then

[@bluerisk]

@@roderick8167 Some movies were hits without even been released because the streaming revenues alone made it a hit. And for some producer streaming is like kicking out the middle man and collecting the entirety of the revenue.

[@KetsubanSolo]

​@@blueriskthat was a big factor in the strikes: streaming residuals

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

The Princess Bride’s failure at the box office will NEVER not piss me off. You have a film that is a near perfect movie with compelling drama, great action, unforgettable characters, truly hilarious moments and the definition of simplicity on film being effective and everyone in 1987 just IGNORED IT. At least now everyone knows it’s an absolute gem.

[@propogandalf]

From the same time period Heathers also had a similar fate. But when you think about it they're both kind of niche. Not everyone's cup of tea. And that's the marker of a box office success, something that is widely palatable.

[@JayKayEllEmm]

It doesn’t piss me off because at least that made its money back and got its flowers eventually.

[@susanruan3663]

The trailers for that didn't give a good idea what this movie's plot was supposed to be, so most people didn't go watch it because they couldn't wrap their minds what it was supposed to be about. Its funny, I was one of the few that actually saw this in the cinema when it was first showed, and the theater was packed, but when I talked to people at school about this movie the next day, everyone i talked to said they weren't interested to go see it.

[@thomasffrench3639]

It’s not really a failure tho. It’s a small film that made a decent profit. It’s not like Heathers, Blade Runner or The Burning which barely made a profit at all. I’m pretty sure that The Burning and Blade Runner only made money because of their Japanese releases.

[@aliali-ce3yf]

it didn't fail though - look at its box office standings , it was top five for a few weeks. It was also up against Fatal Attraction (popular at the time), a Kirk Cameron family movie (he was at his peak back then), and Dirty Dancing was still in theaters.

[@m00nrac00n]

A lot of reasons come to mind: • Cinema is too expensive • Film budgets are too high • Too many subscriptions • Too many releases • Redundant aesthetics • Bad trailers/marketing • Not big enough/indie enough • Post-C0vid Social Fatigue • Other media forms

[@mirunaelena4436]

1. Doctor Sleep - 4:26 2. Kubo and the Two Strings 3. The Suiside Squad - 11:21 4. The Northman - 18:01 5. The Night of the Hunter - 21:04 6. Atlantist: The Lost Empire - 27:31 7. Blade Runner movies 31:58 8. Edge of Tomorrow - 39:28

[@joshuabonesteel2303]

Kubo was so forgotten that you even forgot the time stamp lol.

[@mirunaelena4436]

​@@joshuabonesteel2303 You're right I forgot to put that😂😂😂 Here's the time stamp 8:29 for Kubo

[@closedinfinity9019]

Thanks for this . But have to add this , Although he claims WB studio interfere is High .. when Movie gets successful it's Different 😂 , like Harry Potter series Like Joker and so. On. Blaming Only Studio for Flopping is pathetic 😅

[@Noneofyourbizness247]

Oh my Goodness, Thank you sooo much!!

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

Doctor Sleep was good, both hubs and myself watched it (and he hates horror movies) and we LOVED Kubo and the two strings. We saw it in the theater, and we own it and watch it sometimes at home. Wonderful story, spectacular visuals!

[@thelaughingrouge]

Godzilla minus one cost like 10 to 12 million and looked great. It made back more than ten times its budget. A movie that cost half a billion to make was NEVER gonna be profitable!

[@danielrubinstein896]

Yes, that movie is way more enjoyable than the new empire and GxK or the whole Monsterverse ( except for Skull Island)

[@ShadowSonic2]

That's because Japanese Studios pay their employees peanuts. It's not "Better Management of Money", it's "Treat Employees like Slaves".

[@ciudateluLcuUmor]

Blade Runner 2049 flop breaks my heart ,especially considering that it's one of my favourite movies ever and I regret so much I didnt see it in the cinema (on an Imax screen) . It's a movie born to be seen on the big screen. My boy Denis Villeneuve started to think he made a mistake and a bad movie ,because of some idiotic reviews and because of the financial flop . No my boy, this is one of the best movies ever created. The feelings this movie transmitted cannot be replicated, especially considering it's literally me playing in the movie.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

It sucks we live in a world where bad/average movies can be financially successful and get unnecessary sequels while great/good movies that deserved so much more bomb at the box office.

[@hata6290]

Yeah that’s probably the biggest issue impacting society atm imo

[@KariIzumi1]

@@hata6290 I assume that's sarcasm? Although I'd say what's going on in the industry is a symptom of the bigger issue is Capitalism (or the unregulated version practiced in America) is fundamentally broken

[@hata6290]

@@KariIzumi1 yes it’s sarcasm, I agree

[@JacobPaul-ix7oc]

@@KariIzumi1 Don't worry, regulations are coming. It won't end well for the United States, but they are coming, nonetheless. Step 3 of the "Four steps for Ideological subversion" (Yuri Bezmenov, Former KGB Propaganda Agent, 1985) Crisis-This is a major step lasting up to six weeks and involves a revolutionary change of power. This is where a cataclysmic event (false flag event, civil war, invasion) upsets and divides the country thereby creating panic among the citizens. To Americans, symptoms would include circumventing the Constitution (re: Use "privately owned" social media sites to restrict free speech/First Amendment rights) and altering the checks and balances of government, and possible martial law. Creation of economic, financial and national security crisis. Also includes social crisis and a breakdown of previously self-evident restrictions on moral behavior. The Cloward-Piven approach is used to create more takers than producers (hence the push for open borders and lax immigration policies, along with giving those immigrants free handouts that could otherwise be given to natural born citizens in need). The crisis produces benevolent leaders who will promise to deliver things to meet people's needs through “hope and change” (ie: Hitler’s rise to power amidst a disenfranchised German population reeling from the effects of WW1) through social and economic justice. *False illusion that the situation is under control if strategic directions are followed-Bailouts, regulations of industry and so forth.* To "Make America Great Again", a revolutionary change of power is required that will remove Liberal Democrats from positions of power and influence in the Media, Academia, Corporations, Politics and Art/Entertainment. Whether by "election" or coup de tat, DJT is going to return to the White House to lead the revolution. This is how they will do it: (From US Public Law One Zero Two dash One Four) Whereas Congress recognizes *the historical tradition of ethical values and principles which are the basis of civilized society and upon which our, great Nation was founded;* Whereas *these ethical values and principles have been the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization, when they were known as the Seven Noa/hide Laws;* Whereas *without these ethical values and principles the edifice of civilization stands in serious peril of returning to chaos; Whereas society is profoundly concerned with the recent weakening of these principles that has resulted in crises that beleaguer and threaten the fabric of civilized society;* Whereas the justified preoccupation with these crises must not let the citizens of this Nation lose sight of their responsibility to transmit these historical ethical values from our distinguished past to the generations of the future; Whereas the Lubavitch movement has fostered and promoted these ethical values and principles throughout the world; Whereas Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, leader of the Lubavitch movement, is universally respected and revered and his eighty-ninth birthday falls on March 26, 1991: Whereas in tribute to this great spiritual leader, “the rebbe”, this, his ninetieth year will be seen as one of “education and giving”, the year in which we turn to education and charity to *return the world to the moral and ethical values contained in the Seven Noa/hide Laws* The following is a partial listing of the Noa/hide Laws as derived. Three of these Laws require the death penalty by guillotine when broken: Blasphemy, Idolatry and Sexual Immorality. (Note: Unlike in the Old and New Testament teaching “By the mouth of two or more witnesses..”, these Laws only require one accuser for the accused to be brought to the courts and condemned.) Idolatry: Must worship God alone. Must not worship any man (ie: Jesus) as God. No idols or statues. Do not bow to idols or statues. Do not offer sacrifices to idols or statues. Blasphemy: Do not curse God. Do not use God's name in vain. Worship the true God alone, do not worship false gods. (Worshiping Jesus is also seen as blasphemy.) Murder: Against murdering anyone, self defense is permitted. Mass murderers will be given the death penalty. (Abortion is classified as mass murder.) *Theft--Do not:* (I would have to assume "cooking the books" to overinflate production budgets and give stipends to certain people would be included in one of these categories.) Steal. Rob. *Overcharge* -Have you noticed how many of today’s large corporations seem to be pushing the “progressive” message about “fairness, PRIDE, tolerance, inclusion, diversity, equity” while also overcharging for their products? And how many of these corporations are known to overwork and underpay their workers, reaping huge profits for themselves as they commit wage theft? Kidnap. Move a landmark. (Probably not good for BLM/Antifa activists who tear down historical landmarks.) *Do not use false weights and measurements.* Do not covet. (I would think this applies to Socialists who believe they should receive the benefits of other people's work.) Sexual Immorality--No: Bestiality Incest Homosexuality * The homosexuals have been promised increased rights and privileges, tolerance and inclusion, thinking they are being “normalized” in our society. They have been manipulated into exposing themselves publicly for elimination. The Government now has marriage records, phone and text records (Patriot Act) and online records (Earn It bill) which will be used against them. Prevention of animal cruelty. Do not eat an animal while it is still alive. Do not eat flesh of animal torn apart by a wild animal *Justice Law - Against* *Bribery* *Favoritism* -Although called the “Equal Opportunity Act”, what we have seen are people being hired or promoted not for their talents, skills and education, but based on the color of their skin, gender and sexual orientation (even if they are not qualified for the job or promotion), otherwise known as “intersectionality”. Is this “equality”, or favoritism? (I suppose this could also apply to the nepotism we see in Hollywood/Entertainment.) Condemning the innocent Must administer the death penalty Treat people equally before the law While this is going to end badly for the US, I should warn you that it will be even worse for the rest of the world when they finally adopt the One World Communist Order where everyone is equally poor except for the elite. (All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. If you live outside of the US, after the US is destroyed, inflation will be worse than you ever imagined. It will cost you a day's pay just to buy two small loaves of bread.)

[@thomasffrench3639]

@@KariIzumi1it’s more that it’s regulated in the wrong way. As in it is in the way that is very beneficial to companies

[@АртёмШепталин-и5у]

The absolute gem of a movie "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." by Guy Ritchie is also worth mentioning as a massive box office failure which barely covered the budget. Which is a damn shame giving how much almost anyone who've actually seen it, adores this charming and quite clever little action spy film today. Henry Cavill is apparently doomed to be casted in either movies that will eventually flop or to be casted in other...quistionable...franchises with poor studio managment. And Armie Hammer...sure was an actor.

[@myjka82]

Love this movie, breaks my heart that it flopped and sadly we won't get any fallow up

[@Gloupyli]

I really enjoyed the watch, but I doubted just a liiiittle that a Russian operative would be that ingénu when it came to attractive women. But it's definitely a movie I'd rewatch, contrary to Suicide Squad that made me fall asleep after the fun scenes with Harley Quinn

[@Tayy_B]

Yes!! I was fortunate of having gone to see it in theaters in 2015 and I still wonder why they never made any sequels to this day. Henry Cavill and Alicia vikander deserve so much more

[@zeetuslupeedus]

I loooove this movie. I have it on DVD, lol. It's such a shame it's basically not talked about much, if at all, really.

[@moviefeeder6811]

For me, it's Babylon (2022). Marketing strategy was not effective at all and I'm sad that it flopped so hard. It's one of the greatest films of the 21st century.

[@Doc-Glock]

WB has made themselves extremely easy to dunk on these days, but I'm glad this video exists to show me and others the fact that, "See, WB has been making some boneheaded decisions for DECADES."

[@HisameArtwork]

impressively stupid. and the heads that make these decisions never get pay cuts.

[@xXMusicMixxiXx]

I considered going to see The Fall Guy when I saw that it was underperforming. I haven't gone to the cinema in years, but the fact that a single ticket is above $16 is INSANE! It's just so much money for one movie and I can't help but think of all the groceries I could buy instead.

[@hata6290]

How many groceries

[@lenaalt2387]

@@hata6290 enough to sustain me for a week at least

[@turnipcrazy]

With food prices now, that wouldn't be a lot of groceries.

[@thecanadiansoda1569]

One pack of eggs

[@d1ni1mueter]

yup, going to the movies is very expensive in europe as well, I paid around 21$ to see "fall guy" on a regular night.. was worth it!

[@danielortizrants7209]

It's not that movies are flopping, nobody's trying to spend 70-80 dollars to see a movie that's a rehash of another movie. People are tired of the mediocrity.

[@KetsubanSolo]

There's a lot of factors that shaped movies into what they are today (emphasis on IP, less emphasis on the actors/directors, streaming, the lessening of physical media, and "we'll probably make more money canceling this thing and putting it down for a tax write-off").

[@Sakash52]

I can tell you exactly why more movies are flopping, and that's because of the cost of going to the theatre. 20 years ago, me and my friends used to go to the theatre for an afternoon because it was a cheap way to kill a couple of hours . Now its much more expensive so you have to actually budget for it, and you're much less likely to gamble on what movies you'll watch. I used to not care if a movies was average or bad, but now I'd be pissed if i wasted my money on a bad movie.

[@ronparty19]

Agree completely. Not to mention, there is maybe 1-2 movies a year I'm actually interested in.

[@dgentertainment4165]

The fall guy is a reboot of an old 80s television series

[@Nick-md9wl]

dude is young

[@devonmunn5728]

I did end up adding the original show with Lee Majors on my watchlist

[@angelignatov36]

​@@Nick-md9wlbut could've easily checked it, that's the thing.

[@beartackle]

When I first heard of Fall Guy, I thought it was based on the video game.

[@Toki-Ralte]

people don't appreciate good old cinema anymore...

[@JacobYaw]

I'd never even heard of Night of the Hunters. But the second you started putting the shots onscreen my eyes went wide. It looks fucking gorgeous...

[@42vonbyrd]

2 films that come to mind are Bad Times at the El Royale and Last Night in Soho.

[@justinpatton6996]

Very, VERY good movies 🍿

[@mrbem918]

soho SUCKED. Edgar’s worst film

[@deepanshusingh7498]

When I first saw last night in soho I couldn't believe that it could flop. Now i regret that I didn't watch it in the theater😔.

[@AW-xc1xc]

I really liked Last night in Soho, despite the rushed ending. Shame more people didn't watch it.

[@ProfessorBurlingame]

Here's an idea (and I'm just spitballin' here) -- rather than banking primarily on a movie having to make its money back plus more within a few weeks of its release date (because people "should" see it then), why not make room for movies being evergreen and sold for decades yet to come? Make it about the long game where films can gain their audience and revenue over time on various platforms. Movies do this naturally already anyway, so why not just go with it? Stop trying to make movies into do-or-die properties that have to "win" the box office now or never. Stop trying to make selling and distributing movies a sprint. It's actually a marathon, and there should be no shame in allowing a movie to build audience and sales momentum slowly over time as people get the chance to discover it at the pace of their own lives -- and not according to Hollywood's collectively outsized (and unreasonable) business expectations.

[@BainesMkII]

Listening to the intro, I can only say that in my mind, The Fall Guy was going to be an almost guaranteed disappointment. It is a reboot of an old Lee Majors TV series (not the original IP this video states), which from the very start is already a big minus for a Hollywood blockbuster. The very little advertising I vaguely remember seeing looked so generically hollow and boring that I immediately forgot the movie existed. I cannot recall anyone I know ever saying anything about it, not even to joke about it or to say that they *weren't* interested. It is only recent stories about it flopping that even brought its existence back to mind.

[@Awomanontheinternet]

Couldn't agree more, the marketing was everywhere but it looks so empty, I never had any interest in the movie

[@VTWS]

@@Awomanontheinternetempty is a good word - the trailer sounded WAY too much like the movie was just trying to tick boxes for specific audiences, and the jokes in the trailer were so dumb I decided not to watch…

[@thestatusjoe9949]

Trailers were indeed incredibly generic. I went to see it because I love Ryan Gosling (especially in more comedic roles like the Nice Guys) but yeah it didn’t look any better than the average shitty Ryan Reynolds Netflix movie. Part of their ad campaign focused on the stunts which I thought was cool but that should’ve been a much bigger focus in trailers imo bc of how large a role it plays in the movie, but the trailers I saw in theater previews or on KZbin didn’t mention that stuff at all

[@purish215]

I think we're at a point we're average cinema goers don't care for stunt or action movies they seem to fading out which really sucks

[@evelienheerens2879]

It's a wonderful life only became a big classic because no one cared to keep the copyright alive and it went into public domain which meant that tv stations could use it as free filler. This meant they started showing it every year and repetition made it a kind of christmass tradition for people. Which is also why no one outside of america knows the film 😂

[@AnSe902]

Here in Germany this movie is shown every christmas for the past 40 - 45 years. I watch it every year. 😃

[@roadrollerdio565]

Flights often carry this movie around the end of year, which is why I've watched it, even though I'm not from North America. As someone who struggled with depression myself after I became unemployed in the pandemic, I didn't expect an old black and white film to hit so deeply!

[@CallMeFi]

It's absolutely a Christmas classic in Italy as well so not sure about it being so obscure outside the US haha

[@archiecole3584]

I feel like everyone knows this movie outside America

[@woodenghost7625]

I’m From Mexico and everybody knows about it thanks to the countless parodies in tv shows (like rugrats)

[@Guest-mx8or]

Fall guy marketing had a Netflix movie flair to it, so I hard passed it. On side note i just could not stop laughing at the poor botox job done on the main actress, making her face a pure triangle..

[@jeffersonhassan4558]

All actors have had work done even Ryan gosling and the rock himself but only call out the ladies, misogyny knows no bounds

[@Guest-mx8or]

@jeffersonhassan4558 Brett Pitt had a very good job done. It is not about doing it, but about doing it poorly. Also, I am a woman, and her face is now back to normal, but for this movie, her face is hilarious to me.

[@jens-eriksvrke2343]

Cinema prices are way to high, I used to go once a month (thanks to a deal at my local) now i go maybe once a year. Also when I go it has to be something special, most movies I can wait 3 months and they are streaming

[@timsnowdon29]

I don't go to the movies anymore because the ambiance of my home is superior. Huge tv, surround sound, comfy couch, no strangers, whatever food I feel like, pausing and rewinding at my leisure. I think a lot of people can relate.

[@fikujez]

No strangers is the biggest advantage honestly. I used to go to the cinema regularly until I went to see Dune Part I and the experience was ruined by a bunch of noisy teenagers. Put me off for good.

[@mangos2888]

You forget how few millenials or gen z are homeowners 😂

[@casper7319]

Thank you for The Night of the Hunter! I love Robert Mitchum 😊

[@Tavtav66]

Dont forget that The Northman's marketing was shambolic. There were movie posters in NY subways that didnt have the title on it smh.

[@George_M_]

Northman was kind of meh in my memory.

[@pablosonic892]

'and The Fall Guy being based on an original idea.' Isn't weird how the 80's television show The Fall Guy starring Lee Majors as Colt Seavers stole this movies' entire idea, concept and premise wholesale? They're clever that way.

[@theprowler18]

I’m glad you mentioned that in the comments. Very obvious flub up from Ninja if he did that bit of research and having seen the film, would know it’s an adaptation from that obvious cameo… 😆😆😆

[@shadowcat7987]

@@theprowler18 And from the song.

[@CecilWindbush]

The Last Dragon ,Big Trouble in Little China, and Last action Hero.

[@Persephone_07]

I’ll never forgive the world for complaining about “Why no original movies!?” And then just ignoring “The Nice Guys”

[@cameronbradley8390]

I know, even in this video he shows clips from the movie, but it doesn't make the list. It's a film me and my mates often mention as being great and such a shame it didn't get a sequel

[@PrincessLioness]

The world isn’t complaining on only the vocal minority of cinephiles.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

Or the fact that most of the original movies have been forgotten too quickly. Does anybody remember Tetris 2023, The Adam Project, Ruby Gillman or Divergent?

[@KhaosKontroller]

Treasure Planet is always gonna be the most depressing one. Disney deliberately letting their best movie of all time flop, is bloody insane.

[@bonjourputas]

If they had just released it at a better time I'm sure it would have been appreciated.

[@KariIzumi1]

Yeah,they never cared about the film, they just used it as the carrot to get the dude to do the other two movies Disney was hyping (one of which being Hercules, which also underperformed)

[@JmannTW]

The Northman problem is overblown budget - movie looks 30ml max, the setting is literally 3 houses, there are no huge movie stars with 10mln paycheck - and yet - is cost almost 90mln (with original 65mln budget, which is also too high for this scale). Eggers obviously couldn't help himself and manage the money he got - just where on the screen all this money? Did you watched The Creator? The Creator had 80mln but it looks and feels like 150+mln blockbuster! And compare it with the scale of The Northman. If The Northman was 30mln top movie - it would been a success.

[@upsetstudios1819]

Me at number 6: "say Treasure Planet next, say Treasure Planet next, say Treasure Planet next"

[@Kirsten4260]

SAME

[@bonjourputas]

I thought Treasure Planet would never get the recognition it deserves. 🥲

[@jekellhides]

Also, same. I felt seen lol. Kubo too.

[@Konsy_001]

I have zero trust in movies today and it's to expensive to go to the cinema.

[@KotaWebb]

One movie I’ll never forgive people for letting flop is iron giant. Such a great movie yet no one showed up to watch it

[@Matt-cn7kp]

The next video should be about 10 great shows that got cancelled

[@turnerburner922]

Mindhunter

[@realestsienna]

grand army

[@dudewhatthewhat8983]

Inside job.

[@WaltDevil060]

Gossip Girl reboot Just kidding, the OA

[@creekandseminole]

Very hard to make a top 10 rv show list because it feels like there are infinite great shows that were canceled

[@davidhusari2739]

Loved the video but one thing. The Fall Guy isn't actually a band new, original IP. The movie is based off of an 80's TV Show of the same name. Its very different from the show, so its pretty much a new thing, but I thought id mention that because of what you said at 1:50

[@DameTara]

Was gonna say just this

[@RecRoomPlays]

the explanation of Night of the Hunter basically sounds like the personification of the Back to the Future line, "I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet, but your kids are gonna love it"

[@drkne]

OK...I know I'm older than the people that usually do the socializing, but so far, I haven't seen a single person anywhere give a nod to the fact that The Fall Guy is based off of the 80's TV show of the same name. The fact that starring actors from the original (Lee Majors and Heather Tomas) showed up in the movie for cameos, is pretty much proof that the shared names of titles, characters and theme aren't just a coincidence. I really loved this show when I was little, and even still remember most of the lyrics to the theme song. Of course probably no one will ever see this because it wasn't written in the first 10 minutes of this video's "life"....

[@rika5445]

I haven't seen anything about it's connection to the series (it had a different name in my country) before I watched it and just realized in the middle of the film that he is a stuntman named Colt Seavers... That and the actors at the end where a very nice surprise!

[@annaf232]

Thank you for the info! Hoping more people see this (and in going to the movies asap to see Fall guy on the recommendation!)

[@shadowcat7987]

I loved the show too and I was really irritated to hear it being praised as an "original idea." The song was great. I know it in French because I first saw the series dubbed, and in English because I rewatched all the episodes I could see in English.

[@myjka82]

I haven't seen the show, but I know about it as some of the marketing for the movie was based on it, that's how I found out. Without seeing series I knew about cameos by the heros from the show, they stick out like sore thumb. I'm shocked that you missed it

[@jacobstevens7046]

My mom knew!

[@SteveSmith-wk9dx]

Charles Laughton might have been unlucky as a director, but he was an extremely well-known actor in cinema, theatre, and TV with a long career and several awards to his name.

[@mananwashere]

legit Oscar winner lol

[@Ellestra]

I really like Strange Days - a film that was to be Kathryn Bigelow's big scigi break out and it flopped so bad it only made 17 million dollars. Worldwide. I really liked the cast and the story and it seem prescient about current state of internet and how we consume other people's lives.

[@HerMajestyVelvet]

Its so sad to see that cult classics arent a thing anymore, since every movie that flops seems to be locked away forever. Films like Scott Pilgrim, Jennifer's Body, Iron Giant are all personal favorites of mine but if they came out today (assuming studios would actually make them today), they'd probably be way less popular since cult classics are unfortunately no longer a thing. There are a few exceptions here and there of course, but its still sad to see. That being said if yall want to watch a criminally underrated show, check out Dorohedoro. Its not a movie but its still peak and I love it

[@Ratchet2431]

It's the great disadvantage that the physical format of DVD and Blu-ray has been relegated in favor of streaming. Many films that failed at the box office were hugely successful in the domestic format, something that is no longer possible today.

[@devonmunn5728]

I think it's more of a thing that you can't really tell when something will be a cult classic in the moment. I would consider Jennifer's Body to be a recent cult classic cause when it came out back in 2009 it received middling to negative reviews, especially due to misleading marketing, but now it's being regarded as a cult classic

[@HerMajestyVelvet]

@@devonmunn5728 For sure, I would've never expected Jennifer's body to get popular so long after the fact (I think I got popular around 2014) but god I'm glad it did since it's amazing

[@seagramsfetzner4078]

Then they should stop giving crap that would be 'cult classics' 250m+ budgets.

[@justinpatton6996]

Jennifer’s Body and Iron Giant are underrated

[@jogeller5731]

I personally think that it’s not that younger audiences don’t connect with The Shining anymore. I think it’s that younger audiences deify The Shining. Like, Mike Flanagan makes good shows and movies, don’t get me wrong, and I love them, but even I was side eyeing the mere idea that anyone would touch Doctor Sleep after Kubrick’s The Shining. It’s just so massive, so inescapable, that it’s kind of like hearing they’re doing a sequel to 2001: A Space Odyssey. The gut reaction is “why…would you do that you’re just setting yourself up to fail”

[@maki55556]

real it's why I didn't care to see doctor sleep like how will anything top the original this goes to all the sequel and prequel plague going on rn

[@WaltDevil060]

​@@maki55556It doesn't have to be better than the original to be good though

[@AaronfRogers]

Yeah, I avoided it because I thought it was just another unnecessary sequel to a famous movie. I’m aware that it’s based on a book, but that too could’ve been a cash in

[@shonkshonk]

Funny enough they did make a squeal to 2001 in 1984; it was called "2010: The Year We Make Contact". It made $40.4 million on a $28 million budget. It is ok but nowhere near as good as the original. There may be something to modern audiences having higher expectations for squeals or holding works in higher regard than they did in the past.

[@gregorycave]

Crazy how Blunt and Gosling both have 2 movies on this list. Another for your list is Ex Machina. Brilliant movie, highly regarded, huge bomb.

[@THEMAST3RARTISAN]

Fun fact on Doctor Sleep: When filming the scene of the True Knot brutally murdering the baseball kid, the actor put on such an incredible performance during that scene that it made Rebecca Ferguson cry, break character and leave the set.

[@ASM1228]

Jacob was so damn good in that scene!

[@aliciabell6688]

She's a really sweet person. But I think the movie bombed because of the repeated child murder.

[@THEMAST3RARTISAN]

@aliciabell6688 not even. Some people felt uncomfortable, but that didn't stop those same people from enjoying the movie. It had nothing to do with the film bombing.

[@cosimariemer9243]

@@THEMAST3RARTISAN I'm pretty sure that many people would see an action movie with some horror elements, but draw the line at excessive gore and violence, especially against children.

[@THEMAST3RARTISAN]

@cosimariemer9243 except for the fact that nobody even knew this scene was in Doctor Sleep prior to the release, so how could it have impacted the box office numbers? Make it make sense. The video perfectly explains why the movie didn't do well in theaters. Doctor Sleep isn't even that big of a gory movie and if what your saying holds even a little bit of water, then how do you explain the box office success of IT Chapter one which includes gore and violence against children?

[@joeycoe85]

Also, thank God for KNIVES OUT. Blade Runner 2049 SHOULD have been Ana De Armas’ breakout role, but WB’s idiotic decisions hampered it so badly, it flopped hard. Don’t get me wrong, everyone in the movie is great, but her character is so compelling, maybe for obvious reasons, but still… she is captivating in this film.

[@MarsMellow84]

I will never understand why anybody likes that movie Knives out. It is such a mediocre film, and it will never hold up. Blade Runner 2049 will become a cult classic because of the director Dennis. The guy who did Dune and other masterpieces like Arrival.

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

Knives Out is FUN! That’s why I liked it, it felt like I was reading an old murder mystery

[@noobmasterruben5167]

​@MarsMellow84 thats what you think. The first Knives Out was a well written murder mystery. Easily Rian johnsons best movie. Also its better than Us

[@karantov1]

The Fall Guy is not original. Its based on a tv show from the 80s that ran for 5 seasons on ABC, I should know I own a couple seasons on DVD.

[@Zed-fq3lj]

The Thing 1982 is worth mentioning in this context, The Last Action Hero 1994 could also be mentioned, Galaxy Quest 1999, Alita Battle Angel 2019, Dredd 2012, etc etc...there are dozens more. An interesting and informative video, well done, thank you!

[@Atlach_va]

Agreed on Dredd. Alita Battle Angle was garbage.

[@RWildekrav66]

Dredd was terrific , way better than Stallone version

[@nadtz]

Thumbs up on Dredd. That movie was fantastic, especially compared to the campy Stallone movie. They keep talking about doing a sequel but at this point I doubt it's ever going to be made sadly.

[@KetsubanSolo]

​@Atlach_va I'm almost confident the majority of its attendance was from weirdos who did "The Alita Challenge" as a protest against Captain Marvel (which is really stupid because Disney got paid either way). As someone who saw both (independently of the challenge) I will say I enjoyed Alita slightly better than Captain Marvel, but it was still really rough.

[@mariokarthero1997]

My motivation to go to the cinema had all but died in 2019. That coupled with the fact that I myself am not a movie buff makes it to where I REALLY have to be convinced to watch a movie in a cinema or even at home.

[@LilacKoi]

Movie theaters aren't worth it to me anymore. For how much they cost I would rather spend it on another experience where I am physically doing something fun. If I am just gonna sit and watch something, I would rather do it at home where I am comfortable.

[@158Xavk]

I will say that "currently" for me, I don't have the budget to see every new movie that I'm interested in. Also, it doesn't help that movies don't take that long to come to Blu-Ray or a streaming service after they're no longer in theaters. So most of the time, you can just wait instead of going to the movies and paying a lot of money. Like 20 years ago, you needed to see everything in theaters because the time it took to see it on video or on tv took like forever. So if you didn't see it, you weren't seeing it for a good time later. Nowadays, that's not an issue. Like I don't go to see every new movie that comes out as it is. So I need to be interested in something. Even still, with essentials being so costly, things I want to do suffer. So yeah, Fall Guy may be good but is Fall Guy going to buy me groceries or other things I need? Plus, the budgets for movies seem to be ridiculously high so...maybe that's a factor now too?

[@KariIzumi1]

Funny enough, movies actually used to _stay_ in theaters for a while too. If one lived in a moderately sized city, you may be lucky enough to have the big theater where all the new releases went a a second or third one where they got sent to after six weeks if it wasnt a huge blockbuster but was doing okay and you could catch it for a cheaper price if you missed out. But you're right that in the early days of home releases, it could be upwards of a year between theatrical debut and release to VHS. That turned around in the late 90s where it was still four to six month wait. I think the biggest incentive for people buying media now is the fact that there's no trust that a studio won't scuttle a movie or TV show forever just because they decide to cancel it over arbitrary numbers and figures that they still don't share with us. People were sold on streaming because it was all the media right at our fingertips but the studios haven't kept up with their end of the bargain. I won't buy everything on Blu Ray but I do invest in the things I absolutely love. Speaking of which, I got a gift card at work that I realized I could use to buy _Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies_ because Paramount Plus removed that a week after it's last episode along with _Star Trek Prodigy_ (which got saved mostly by being a Star Trek property) so thanks for the reminder on that haha

[@ShPatata]

The Fall Guy is a reboot of an old tv show with the same name (it was aired in the 80's, "L'homme qui tombe à pic" en France)

[@d1ni1mueter]

yeah, in german it was called "Ein Colt für alle Fälle", I didn't get it at first until the caracter in the movie is introduced as "Colt"😅 also in the post credit scene , the original actors have a cameo

[@luizagatto3602]

the night of the hunter is so harrowing and dramatic like, the cinematography is SPECTACULAR - it is haunting (think german expressionist vibes) I’ve watched it rather recently and still catch myself thinking about it. The story GRIPPED ME by the fucking neck from beginning to end (it’s such a ride)

[@nancycollins4109]

Charles Laughton was a famous actor before he was a director. His best known roles were THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME, THE 6 WIVES OF HENRY THE 8th, and MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY.

[@redmii69]

I always knew him as the moon from Hour of Poop's videos

[@t.wilson9432]

One of my all-time favorite actors 👍👍👍

[@edwardhyde-vo8zb]

You forgot The Island of Lost Souls.

[@samuelgardner2653]

I feel like studios just have a fundamentally warped sense of what it means to 'make money'

[@withempress]

8:38 Kubo is possibly one of the best movies ever, it is so haunting and so stunning. It was SO underrated!! So glad you mentioned it ❤

[@imawitchwithab2395]

I’m convinced the WB marketing team are 2 kids in a trench coat

[@zaram1492]

I’m glad i’ve watched most of these the years they came out, i didn’t even realise that they flopped at the box office because in my head i was convinced that they were a success because of how incredible they were!!!! I’m so happy i watched Blade Runner 2049 in the cinema because it’s such a masterpiece!!! And i’m glad you’ve mentioned both Atlantis and Treasure Planet… these two movies will forever have a special place in my heart. I would personally add Klaus (2019) to this list. It’s one of the most heartwarming animations that i absolutely adore! But i don’t know a single person who’ve seen it and it makes me so sad!!! 😢

[@philippetessier6126]

The treasure planet and Atlantis spot should be shared by the road to El Dorado as well. It's the fact all 3 of them bombed back to back to back that caused the end of 2D animation in Hollywood.

[@Sharpe1502]

Marketing movies these days has just gotten so sloppy to be honest. Longlegs and Oppenheimer actually have some of the best marketing campaigns I’ve seen in a long time and I won’t be surprised if Longlegs does super well at the box office for being an R Rated indie horror film released in July.

[@Altropos]

Actually, every Fincher movie is a box-office bomb, and then goes on to become "the best movie of X decade" or "the most influential movie about Y-topic". It's just what the guy does at this point.

[@atomic.rabbit]

Including Alien 3?

[@jupitersnoot4915]

​@atomic.rabbit yes. I think alien 3 is also a movie that was ripped to shreds unjustly at its release.

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@atomic.rabbit Alien 3 was actually pretty good, if you go in knowing it's not "Aliens 2"

[@jcoel123]

Underrated movies: 1) Jennifer's Body (a fascinating fem horror movie about trauma and 2000s humour) which was marketed as a sexualised fun romp and then flopped. 2) Hoodwinked (fun, weird, animated, super original take on Red Riding Hood)

[@monaeckle]

The fact that James Gunn's The Suicide Squad flopped makes me so sad, it's such a great, fun and creative movie and finally portrayed Harley Quinn in a good way!

[@SecretMagician]

At least the studio liked it so much, they gave James co-ownership of the new DCU. I'm really excited to see what his Superman movie will be like.

[@mundanepants]

It only flopped on initial release in theatres.

[@edgardoMurnia]

Creative? GET TF O

[@makstracy]

Can we really call that a flop? It came out on streaming like the same day. It wasn’t set up to succeed at the box office, but it did very well critically. It literally came out during the pandemic, it didn’t really have a choice.

[@edgardoMurnia]

@@makstracy Yes. We can. It was.

[@rmvdhaak]

I immediately thought of Children of Men. Great movie that was marketed awfully.

[@KatieLHall-fy1hw]

Oh my goodness, that movie is amazing. I watched it with the hubs and it really resonated with both of use. It is a heavy movie to me though, and I can only watch it maybe once a year.

[@marcneef795]

Loosing only 20 millions would be considered a large success for a 2023 blockbuster.

[@firstlast9846]

*It genuinely annoys me* that cinemas aren’t pulling the same numbers as opposed to pre-Covid years - and people use an underperforming movie as an example to fit their agenda, “It flopped cos it’s woke” “Audiences hate this agenda” “Audiences clearly want Zack Snyder back” but when Barbie succeeds its “They lied and falsely advertised it - that’s why it made money” just stop times are changing.

[@connorbingel7134]

Don’t dismiss the failures of some movies based on low numbers across the board. People are tired of the awful agendas being pushed in every movie. That’s why movies that tell a story instead of an agenda are so popular right now

[@devonmunn5728]

Seriously any movie with even a miniscule of liberal politics will nowadays get labeled as "woke" a word meaning being socially conscious among Black folks and now has been overused and misused so many times it has lost all meaning

[@reimagineuniverse]

The American culture war looks very dumb to the rest of the world. When movies try to impose woke culture there, they flop. Woke films don't resonate with the rest of the world, except maybe Canada, at least not to the extent that they make a profit. Barbie is about a toy that an entire generation liked. It's not the same thing.

[@junelaananke7138]

​@@reimagineuniverse Barbie is literally about feminism, and it isn't even remotely subtle about that. I hope this cleared up why people refer to it as woke.

[@azurai3934]

Don’t forget that studios are coming out and saying “X isn’t meant for straight white men”, only to turn around and blame Ista-phobia for why the movie has failed, ignoring all the other groups of people that didn’t go to see it for whatever reasons. That move has become a massive contributor to the first two reasons outlined in the OP

[@WCRfan126]

Already was SUPER happy that you started off this list with Doctor Sleep. I have been praising that movie’s brilliance for YEARS and I hope your recommendation gets more people to check it out. It’s such SUCH a good movie and I think about that scene with Danny at that bar so often. Ewan McGregor acted his ASS off. But this whole list is great. Kubo, Atlantis (high five that’s also one of my favorite animated movies of all time), Edge of Tomorrow! The latter is very notable to me because I remember the poor marketing campaign. My dad and I thought the movie was called “Live. Die. Repeat” even AFTER we saw it. And my dad had to drag me to the film, I thought the trailers looked so bad. But he thought it was gonna good. Turns out he was completely right, it’s one of my favorite action movies and I love rewatching it during the summer blockbuster season! Thank you for taking the time to spotlight some great movies who didn’t get the love and business they deserved!

[@Yasaman728]

if you want to get really angry: when Disney cancelled the rest of the Atlantis sequels they had planned - which included a series - they already had some material ready, which they then used to create Atlantis Milo's Return. It's a mash up of the segments they had ready for the series marketed as the sequel, and one of the worst things I've seen.