Ravenswood: The Failed Pretty Little Liars Horror Spin-Off

[@mdrivera8481]

Quick everyone, watch it before WB buries the criticism for a cancelled show

[@trinaq]

I concur, it's odd that Warner Bros are being so strangely protective of Ravenswood, as if they regret that the show ever existed!

[@someonesomeone8049]

Downloading it rn

[@bejo2551]

@@trinaq there is no Ravenswood in Ba Sing Se

[@taylorgoldman130]

Maybe they’re thinking of rebooting the show, trying to block criticism from lowering interest

[@Monie71793]

😩🤣🤣

[@bejo2551]

The funniest thing about Caleb’s “you were only a tourist, man. I lived there” line to Toby, was that, due to PLL’s weird convoluted timeline, Caleb was only in Ravenswood for a week or two.

[@lionel7586]

whatever crack Caleb took at that point, I’d like some

[@tunafish5462]

So he fell in love with a ghost and broke up with his girlfriend in like a week? 💀

[@gabiocampos]

@@lionel7586 lmao 😂

[@random_meta]

@@tunafish5462 😂

[@mikecarter1312]

Are you for real? His return made it seem like it was like a year later lmao. All broken and shit.

[@rusted_ursa]

My favorite comment from the first upload was *"The scariest part of Ravenswood was Caleb's haircut,"* so I'm preserving that take for posterity.

[@junie1017]

Lmao Miranda also has the same hair as him.

[@celondelon351]

Dead Caleb has a better haircut on the tombstone than him.

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

you should be more respectful i think

[@celondelon351]

@@Ryan-pg1tw 😂

[@UzUMaK1-Lee]

It could be scarier, though: a mullet

[@SheaSavage2]

the absolute, unbridled, batshit audacity of a spinoff show "breaking up" one of the main, most longstanding/beloved couples from their parent show so that one of the characters could date a ghost. completely unparalleled

[@bananacathammock]

didn't he come back quickly? like they made it like him only away for a vacation or something?

[@bananacathammock]

@corn ah...yes I didn't watch it weekly. lmaoo he gone for a whole year??

[@TheSkystar5]

@@bananacathammock and when he did come back him and Hannah had a ton of problems because of everything Caleb went through in ravens wood, honestly Haleb was never the same for me

[@alirae3663]

Exactly!! I think some of us gave Ravenswood a chance bc it gave Tyler the opportunity to be a show lead-but we didn’t want Caleb to leave to accomplish that. And at least try to solve the grave thing from the get go with some supernatural starting to be sprinkled in.

[@Man-ej6uv]

monsterfucker rights

[@vinyetsaldo237]

Could we talk about how this is the reason caleb is an alcoholic for like three episodes when he goes back to PLL

[@nikoajules-johnson7664]

fr i wanted to watch ravenswood but i trust fsn cause i usually don’t take opinions for shows i watch it for myself but he make sense of them and i tried to watch it myself but i was genuinely disappointed 😀 but yes it was the reason and it was a dumb reason

[@ren9027]

when you put it like that.... its hilarious lmfao

[@meriah10]

I forgot about that 😂

[@MajorOctofuss]

And then toby is like ”damn he looks HAUNTED 😩”

[@taintedqueen2087]

Tbh I’d be an alcoholic too if I had to be a part of this shit

[@_elevenofspades]

Warner Bros: I thought you were dead… Space Ninja: My death was… greatly exaggerated

[@trinaq]

Nobody can kill the Space Ninja for too long!

[@narayanima1294]

Lol

[@GabesEdtiz]

Space Ninja: So. Your the punk I’ve been looking for

[@summerrose8110]

@@trinaq I went through something a bit similar. My other account was terminated wrongfully, so I just recreated my account with the same avatar name and this photo.

[@AndSoWeLaughed]

How dare you reduce Caleb to a boy toy and JUST hanna’s boyfriend! He was far more than that. He was also Spencer’s boyfriend too. They don’t just share secrets you know.

[@nellybright8960]

HAHAHAAHAHA

[@itskashkashi]

😂😂😂

[@FinDommePrincess]

I CACKLED

[@7urn3rmusic]

😭😭😭😂😂😂😂 I'm weAK

[@ThreeBearsBookCottage]

LOL

[@TheOneAndOnlyFunnyMan]

Imagine a “Supernatural” spinoff where one of the side characters gets a regular 9-5 office job and literally nothing of note happens

[@MT-lk7qt]

jensen ackles if you're listening,,,

[@andergarcia4953]

@@MT-lk7qt He is too busy being in The boys

[@cherie..cherry]

Tbh when they tried to implement Deans girlfriend and stepson in like two seasons ☠️

[@fangire_]

I mean I'd love to know what happened to that one shapeshifting baby

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

feel like castiel would be good for that considering misha collins doesnt get cast in anything ever

[@trashgic9215]

Convinced WB is frantically trying to bury this because they are too embarrassed.

[@summerrose8110]

I'm dying of laughter each time I watch this video.

[@mackenziewoloschuk7375]

At the same time, they expose that they acknowledge this show as part of its reputation and people know to give them eyebrows about it.

[@AnonUnlimited]

The narration is giving the vibes of one of the bad fanfics that start like, " Hi, my name is Soran RavenBalm and I'm the cousin is the main character you all love". That's my biggest fanfic pet peeves so this rally gave me the shivers 😨

[@xakirax_8864]

Heyaaaaa! My name is Dementia Raven Way!! XD Rawrrrr XXx

[@johannesseyfried7933]

@@xakirax_8864 "Excuuuse me, you Prep. My Name is Darkness Dementia Ravenway! Have you seen my Boyfriend Draco? Or my other Boyfriend Harry?"

[@aNaughtyFox]

@@johannesseyfried7933 oh god please NO! This fanfic is truly Immortal.

[@aacsmiles]

The bad self-insert fanfic vibes were present from the back door pilot and are the whole reason I never bothered with the show. Hannah even has a line about how super pretty Miranda is.

[@aacsmiles]

@@johannesseyfried7933 Harry?! Don’t you mean Vampire Potter?! Now leave me alone. I’m eating my Count Chocula with blood.

[@TaraMooknee]

they deprived us of Caleb in PLL for this

[@kiwibug07]

So damn glad they brought him back like nothing happened!

[@icravedeath.1200]

Why are you here, haven't you got more complaining to do?

[@СлезныйНоябрь]

@@icravedeath.1200 :D

[@icravedeath.1200]

@@СлезныйНоябрь :)))))

[@rusted_ursa]

What does the cow make of all this?

[@Xblackjckqueen]

i can’t believe THIS is the reason my man caleb left hanna😫😫

[@FarhanaK]

Hey be glad it was cancelled, otherwise Caleb wouldn't have returned to PLL or Hanna! Small wonders lol

[@nicoleackerman205]

I know people who were big Hanna and Caleb shippers and they could not like them after he left for Ravenswood. They said that show ruined them as a couple.

[@chanelwilson7814]

@@nicoleackerman205 That’s probably because they keep wrongly thinking he left Hanna for Miranda for romantic reasons when he really left to get some answers about his past. Miranda had an unrequited crush on Caleb and even admitted how hard it was to like someone who’s in love with someone else

[@empressfreya9872]

Hannah´s cameo fucks over the continuity of PLL season five. They have a giant argument because Caleb came home traumatized from Ravenswood and both acknowledge that Hanna can´t understand because she wasn´t there and doesn´t know what happened there

[@fuchsia8853]

Honestly I just assumed for some weird reason (keeping it consistent TBH) when Caleb and Hanna were talking in Ravenswood Caleb didn’t explain everything that was going on just the fact that Miranda died and is now a ghost and I guess now everyone in the crash are bonded from that experience. Not only that but it’s not made clear if she believes him or not. Literally she says “I don’t know what to believe”. So it would make sense in that case ,Caleb wouldn’t want to open up to her because he thinks that she doesn’t understand because he doesn’t know if she believes him. But when he does come back in episode 5 she seems to have some understanding of Miranda and Caleb, she mentions that she is gone so she implies in the next episode that she understands that she has disappeared liked a ghost. Idk it’s so confusing so what else is new

[@victoriabrown3374]

@@fuchsia8853 PLL fucks over the continuity of PLL so thats not surprising

[@bowboww34]

they thought everyone forgot 😭

[@andreamolinar6883]

@@bowboww34 or they just assumed no one watched🤭

[@bowboww34]

@@andreamolinar6883 AH true 😭

[@jay-bf8bp]

IT MADE ME SO UPSET CALEB PACKED UP EVERYTHING AND LEFT HANNAH TO HELP A RANDOM GIRL HE KNEW FOR AN HOUR

[@kkkkksjdjdjjdjdjdjd]

no he didn't he also wanted answers for himself too....

[@marlene2805]

Hanna asked him too

[@mackaylahernandez9310]

i know Hanna asked him to but literally like an episode before that he was saying “you’re never gonna lose me i’ll always be by your side blah blah blah” and then he falls in love with a random girl after a week.

[@jbear3478]

This is why the bar is set so low. You’re a good enough bf if you don’t leave me for a ghost

[@ritavb]

it gets even better once you realize Caleb went back to Rosewood to the PLL universe, was really weird for about 3 days, told a story about some fireflies went jogging 1 time and then completely moved on and just never mentioned any of the supernatural traumatizing shit he went through in Ravenswood to anyone at all

[@minscandboo9749]

Isn’t using those clips to help criticise the show the literal definition of fair use? They are definitely abusing the copyright system here…

[@thespeedtapper4]

Doesn't matter. KZbins Copyright system is a joke and seems almost intentionally designed to benefit the copyright abusers.

[@stevenlannister184]

Do you know what show doesn't abuse the copyright system? Riverdale.

[@justlurkingat8]

It should be....

[@pretends2know]

Major corporations have been know to copyright strike videos regardless of fair use, and even sometimes when that isn't the case, it's the bots they deploy to sift through all of KZbin make a mistake.

[@ranocchiasimpatica]

Agreed

[@sherlaik]

the actress that has been doing exclusively christmas romantic comedies is the mean girl in radio rebel btw

[@Milkmouse1966]

I wondered why she looked so familiar!

[@mirandajones7816]

@Μαία I’m so glad someone remembers not only that show, but that character! The first season was great, but yes, then it went downhill very quick.

[@bananacathammock]

@Μαία that's why she looks familiar to me!

[@kareninacarado]

@Μαία the reason why Merritt Patterson (Ophelia) left The Royals was because of the show’s creator, Mark Schwahn, who sexually harassed her and other actresses and crew. She and the others signed an open letter about his horrible and abusive behavior on set, which was unfortunately not new during Mark’s time in One Tree Hill (where he was also the creator). The OTH alumni, like Sophia Bush, have been vocal about their experience working with Mark and it traumatized them a lot. That’s why during season 2 of The Royals, there are so many characters introduced and then their storylines went nowhere.

[@okelise]

i recognized her from the start but it took me until the middle of the video to realize she was from radio rebel. also, i noticed most of the actors were from disney channel. the actress who plays miranda is macy from the jonas brothers show, the tall white guy (idk his name) is from the dcom, cloud 9 and also teddy’s bf on good luck charlie in the last season, and, like you said, the christmas girl was also in radio rebel. bonus: the grumpy white guy is micheal from jane the virgin, and the blonde girl is from the movie, the edge of 17 and 5 feet apart. idk if it’s bad that i instantly knew what most of these actors were in without looking them up or not lmao

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Ravenswood could’ve been self-aware satire or a PLL Parody.

[@shoryakansal9654]

bro you're here too damm

[@PokhrajRoy.]

@@shoryakansal9654 I was always everywhere. You just know my name now lmao

[@michonnewalker4246]

@@PokhrajRoy. Your version sounds awesome

[@PokhrajRoy.]

@@michonnewalker4246 Thank you!

[@roxy20231000]

They probably saw 'the vapire diaries' get their spin off with 'the Originals' and wanted to do the same. But the Originals were 1) really interesting characters (over 1000 years old with at least that many ennemies to fight) and 2) so great they were outshining the TVD cast: people weren't watching for Elena, Stefen and Damon anymore. Caleb was great, but as you said, he was just Hannah's boyfriend.

[@BabyGirlTiny]

The originals was not interesting, and it’s shows with how terrible the show was and how boring everything was. It’s just that people got sick of the whole Damon and Elena thing

[@sourgrape_s]

The originals was top tier! 👌🏽 I'm still pretty young but I also really like legacies I know a lot of older viewers dislike it and say its childish but I'm among the target audience age range so... but yes among all of the the originals is my favourite

[@roxy20231000]

@@BabyGirlTiny My point was that TO was a good idea and the fans were interested and at least knew it existed, unlike Ravenswood which according to this comment section people didn't. I wasn't saying TO was a good show (I have not seen it), but on paper, good idea

[@RinMoon04]

I was still watching for Elena and Damon tbh

[@thekneesbee]

He was actually Hanna's "techno boy-toy" according to monA

[@kayleerebekah4884]

Honestly, the core idea for Ravenswood wasn’t awful. The main problem, aside from the HORRENDOUS acting and editing and writing, is that this show made absolutely no sense as a PLL spin off. There were zero supernatural elements to that show until we met Mrs. Grunwald, which was only done to introduce the town of Ravenswood. If this idea had been better executed as a stand alone show far from Marlene Kings grasp, I feel like it could’ve worked. Gives me The Vampire Diaries vibes with a splash of Supernatural now that I rewatch it, and both those shows were and still are insanely popular Edit: I wrote this comment halfway through the video, so when you compared the ending to TVD I screamed 😂

[@shoegirl927]

And taking Caleb out of PLL wasn’t a good idea either.

[@KatrinaHaffner]

What probably happened was they had a concept/script, then when deciding what to do with it, decided to use the popularity of PLL to catapult it. As in, it probably wasn't originally a spin-off.

[@michonnewalker4246]

Right, PLL doesn't have nothing to do with Supernatural Elements, I don't know what the writers were thinking?

[@shamiltineo5291]

It’s not the first spin off to do it. Sabrina did well

[@michonnewalker4246]

@@shamiltineo5291 Yeah, but it different because Archie and Sabrina share the same universe it comics as well.

[@marianacastrillon8185]

Hannah is so used to deal with all types of shit that she heard ghost girl and just went yeah ok whatever

[@eringrl101]

Wait, ohmigod, is *this* why Caleb and Hannah's relationship was so weird afterwards?! It was like overnight they hated each other and didn't want to be together but Marlene was holding them hostage.

[@miriammaxime]

so many people who are truly creative and have ideas for films or series that would amaze people all over the globe will never have the chance to realize their potential and THEN there is THIS...

[@Rebe8d89AH]

I know right? It's actually kind of devastating.

[@pollythepengiun3927]

Caleb was NOT just Hanna’s boyfriend. He was also completely made up for plot armor and to tie up any loose ends that Marlene was too lazy to do.

[@BillyVell]

Making a spinoff where one of the main show's protagonist's love interest is the main character and therefore has to leave her has got to be the quickest easiest way to have part of your audience be completely AGAINST said spinoff.

[@briancarter8490]

They did it. I can't believe a network managed to out-do the CW by making a show that is just terrible in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT.

[@Monie71793]

😩🤣🤣

[@andergarcia4953]

Yep and I didnt think they could out cheap the cw. Shit even disney channel has a bigger budget.

[@hi-rw4nl]

What's even funnier is the CW made a supernatural (get it) show and it was pretty decent

[@-PVL93-]

Hey to be fair, this is just one example. CW produces garbage en masse now

[@thepeopleslast2579]

@@hi-rw4nl and it was like 3 years before this one

[@kunglaoshat1250]

Pretty Little Liars had so many wtf moments that I forgot about the time Hannah’s boyfriend moved to a literal ghost town 😂

[@Littlesunshine9998]

They are embarrassed that's why they tried to block it so many times lol

[@katevgrady]

When you said "are you guys still awake? Did you fall asleep?" I suddenly realized that I actually had COMPLETELY stopped listening. To like a ten second clip. Very well illustrated point, FSN

[@jito7377]

It was so precise. I could have be lost for hours. Brilliant.

[@joelvandyke7505]

I love it when someone is badly injured enough to die without a single visible piece of damage to face or body

[@caldervitriolic2128]

So PLL and Ravenswood are the reason we got Riverdale and CHAOS, murder mystery show has a supernatural spinoff that tanks and original show goes on to long and losses plot

[@KaiInMotion]

Ravenswood makes Chilling Adventures of Sabrina look like the highest form of art ever made lol.

[@luiza.limaneves]

Annnnd one of the characters of the spin off go to the og show (Sabrina will be on Riverdale, apparently)

[@caldervitriolic2128]

@@luiza.limaneves The fact that they made Cheryl and her family witches, I want the whatever the Riverdale writers team is taking

[@luiza.limaneves]

@@caldervitriolic2128 I just want their money, honestly, I was never an actual fan of the show but from the little fanfic I've read (I like to read fanfic of works of fiction I think could've been good but are awful) is soooo much better, the fans truly take the garbage they're given and turn it into shiny garbage with emotion and good writing

[@andergarcia4953]

Sabrina is coming to season 6 of riverdale. Its confirmed

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

Can someone explain to me why companies are so reluctant to just take the L

[@ToastyJunebugs]

They take their 'legacy' way too seriously. Everyone wants to be Disney - selling absolutely anything just bc your brand is on it.

[@meditatedmuppet2026]

munny.

[@summerrose8110]

@@ToastyJunebugs I have a love/hate relationship with Disney and Nickelodeon. They both have done questionable things to people behind the scenes.

[@SEHipple]

New theory: Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa wants to reboot Ravenswood too! Can't have you maligning it right before it gets in on some sweet reboot action.

[@summerrose8110]

Bite your tongue.

[@clarence5211]

GOD that would be a recipe for.... something....

[@IHARumor]

Omg please no.

[@kittycatcrunchie]

I... Kind of hope he does

[@drawingsticks5333]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@thomasdegroat6039]

It’s wild that they thought a good spinoff was a ghost show when the whole premise of PLL is how is this dead girl still tormenting us? It’s like, if ghosts exist, I guess we have a pretty solid theory.

[@maxtracker2904]

I’m not convinced even WB lawyers could argue that “Ravenswood” was an intellectual property 😂

[@roweproductions9424]

They did it again! The bloody cheek of them, maybe the company can’t take the critique?! 😂

[@trinaq]

I wouldn't be surprised if WB are embarrassed that they ever made this show in the beginning!

[@jj.loveli]

they probably said, “we know! it sucks! stop rubbing it in.” 😂

[@summerrose8110]

@@jj.loveli Marlene must be that petty.

[@trinaq]

If a show randomly introduces a brand new setting of new characters who you've never seen before, and never hear mention of again, 99.9% of the time, it's a blatant set-up for an attempted spin-off show. See also The Farm for The Office, Witchright Hall for Sabrina, or Valley Girls for Gossip Girl.

[@jessafra]

the video is back and so is this comment😎 but yes you’re so right

[@nonofyb]

Also if the story line of the episode seems kinda off or different than usual and the production value is higher than usual it's definetly a pilot for a spin-off. I don't remeber the episode names but in Supernatural they once introduced some kind of werewolf(?) Mafia and a few seasons later there was the pilot focusing on Jodie and here "kids" for some kind of female/teen version of Supernatural

[@theshire9173]

There’s also that one episode of Stranger Things season 2 that was horrible

[@Yngvolkayno]

Gilmore Girls had a backdoor pilot for Jess' life in California that I'm still sad never got picked up.

[@iyawakarehen]

@@theshire9173 holy shit i keep forgetting this happened and then every other month i'm reminded of it x)

[@ave2190]

I personally think the only reason Caleb was chosen for the spin-off was because he was a well-loved character that had nothing to do with the main mystery. I know that PLL's mystery is really bad but when I re watched the show I realized that every main love interest ends up having some past to either Alison or A. The strongest connection Caleb has outside of Hanna would be the whole barley working for Jenna thing back in season 1. Since I don't think they were ever going have him have a past with Alison or A (and he never did) he would be an easy character to write out that was liked by the fandom. I love Caleb but he should've just stayed in PLL, there were possibilities in terms of (as and audience member) wanting to know about his past they could've had him go to a normal town and learn more about his family and their connection to the town and their history. Like I personally think there were many storylines they could've done with him in PLL (tied to the main mystery or not) but he went to Ravenswood. Also you can tell they weren't prepared for Caleb to leave so only watching PLL makes their breakup very sudden and almost makes no sense especially when he does return because Ravenswood was cancelled, we think that he fell in love with another girl in one week then something happened to her so now he wants Hanna back. That's not what it is but it's what it comes across as. Still love Caleb though Edited: So I just watched an interview of Tyler Blackburn talking about how he found out about Ravenswood. Apparently they knew since almost (if not) the beginning of filming season 4. Maybe I don't know how filming works but I'm pretty sure that could've been enough time to A) write it so Caleb and Hanna's relationship was just not working anymore so that their breakup would feel natural and not out of nowhere and confusing or B) give Caleb a solid reason for staying in Ravenswood for example, instead of Spencer and Toby going to Ravenswood have it be Caleb and someone else (probably Hanna) and have him notice that his family has a connection to the town or something so when the Halloween episode happens there's a more logical reason for him to stay instead of random girl he meant on a bus.

[@Miyanoai14]

Maybe that was why I always liked Caleb. He never felt connected or super suspicious unlike most others.

[@AVl_S]

You probably put more thought into the storyline than Marlene and the writers did.

[@alexandravazhenina9446]

The funniest thing for me is that I started watching the video because I’ve never heard of the show even though I was a huge PLL fan at the time. And then… I recognised the faces of people in the show and remembered THAT I ACTUALLY WATCHED IT. And my brain just erased it for me.

[@mylove13839]

😂

[@hopeliz]

The CGI spider on the woman’s face is a better actor than most of the cast…✋🏼🤭

[@timotejgabris9162]

I took EVERYTHING out of me to finish this incredibly TERRIBLE joke of a show.

[@CherryBlossomBlyue]

Really? I actually liked it. Then again I only watched like 4 episodes. Maybe if I rewatch it I won't like it as much

[@timotejgabris9162]

@@CherryBlossomBlyue I bet you wont lol

[@daalimbe]

keeping my fingers crossed that that strike doesn't happen and this can stay up. third time's the charm right?

[@kimlebherz7204]

So this is what I imagine it will be like when Sabrina shows up in Riverdale. Wild weird mix of terrible writing

[@luthientinuviel3883]

About that, apparently she IS going to be in season 6...

[@bellota_miau]

Well Riverdale has the terrible writing already so we that's what we can count on. Sabrina in the Archie universe was already on the comics but here is more of a desperate move to make people watch Riverdale again

[@b3ans4eva]

Remember when Sabrina crossed over with Sonic the Hedgehog?

[@jeanne5922]

@@b3ans4eva WHAT?!?!?

[@Tamaki742]

@@jeanne5922 That's because Archie comics published Sonic comics.

[@ananoname6494]

marlene king should really learn that if you’re setting up a mystery, you have to conclude it!!! even if your audience guesses it, it’s better that than to never give an answer

[@alice88wa]

Here's the thing I find unbelievably frustrating - even if audiences guess correctly WHO the person is, of you do it right you can surprise them with WHY the person did it. You can seed little bits of information that get overlooked for more forefront plot points. It's not easy but it can be satisfying!

[@katiemckinney9456]

A good mystery should have clues sprinkled here and there during the course of the story for the audience to piece together. Then they get to have an "A-ha!" moment where they feel like they've solved the mystery along with the protagonists. And even if you didn't get the plot twist in the moment, you should still be able to look back at earlier events in the story with that new context and see how it all connected. Don't go "Uh, screw you, you're wrong actually! It was actually this other character all along, even though literally nothing in the plot pointed to them being the culprit." just because you feel butthurt about your audience figuring it out before the big reveal. Respect and reward them for engaging with and paying attention to the story you're trying to tell.

[@taramaria5936]

Caleb was one of PLL's beloved characters. As a young teenager who adored PLL, his return to the main show felt like Christmas 😂

[@grs3234]

It's gonna be comedy gold if he does PLL the Perfectionist

[@ThatKillerQuote]

Please 😂

[@leahiglesiascollison7144]

he did man... and it is

[@jerrymoore838]

The pilot episode had the potential for it to be a good series, but we all knew that Marlene's touch would mean the kiss of death. She didn't let us down. Every episode after that pilot got more ridiculous than the one before it. Well done Marlene lolol

[@mathelaw8994]

This is so infuriating, copyright claims are no joke, and the fact that WB can make fake claims over and over again is... ugh. Anyways, this video is really good my guy, you earned a new subscriber!

[@robbiesmith8055]

welcome to the club. there's kitkats xx

[@user-ez4fk6tf6v]

I think they don't like you pointing out the fact that this show, that they invested so much in, bombed so badly and want to quietly pretend their failures don't exist 🤣

[@Fierra2000]

I was so annoyed with PLL making a spin off series that involved supernatural occurrences. Because if there are supernatural things going on in this universe then why wasn’t A non-human ? The things that A was doing was so unrealistic and not humanly possible that it would’ve made sense for A to be some kind of spirit or whatever. But ofc they didn’t go down that path and made a weird spin off series instead.

[@BiancaG1999]

It really stressed me out that we had to sit through the whole season and we got more questions than answers. Also, I hated that caleb just forgot hannah and "fell in love" with the ghost of miranda, like, what?

[@toganium4175]

I’ve…never even heard of this show until now.

[@VenusLivesInASociety]

Same 💀

[@trinaq]

Neither has anyone else, which is probably a positive thing!

[@reizak8966]

Same! Must watch the video so I can have a strong opinion on it! 😂

[@tunafish5462]

I only know about this show cuz while watching pll I forgot Caleb's actor name so I googled him and saw he was in something called Ravenswood.

[@michonnewalker4246]

You never hear of it because it was bad, not to metion it nothing like PLL

[@allcenema]

I was a HUGE PLL fan and was quite excited for Raveswood, I liked Caleb and was intrigued by the noir investigation vibe. However, I couldn't go past the first episode. Almost a decade later I can BARELY remember a thing.

[@makaylalashe4730]

hell i watched all ten episodes and i can’t remember anything that happened except miranda was a ghost

[@IcyIndigo]

The fact that this show existed still baffles me sometimes. I hope you cover The Perfectionists at some point and Marlene King’s other awful shows

[@AJ-xc4qe]

I actually unironically liked Famous in Love and I'm still mad at the cliffhanger. I want to give up on Freeform if it wasn't for Good Trouble

[@ThatKillerQuote]

@@AJ-xc4qe famous in love was good! I wanted another season 😭

[@xaivercampbell1587]

Ohhh the Perfectionists was sooo bad

[@lunetaadlawan9429]

Ravenswood: Things don't make sense 🤷. Riverdale: We could be BFF'S ❤️.

[@EricWiseman]

10:47 "Let me show you Ravenswood's attempt at a jumpscare" *Shows Warner Bros' logo* Me: FUCK SAKE! I mean... WB's pretty scary if you're a content creator, so that's not wrong.

[@RawbeardX]

the WB logo made the jump scare example so much scarier!

[@vania7302]

Never watched this but here to do my job and boost the algorithm after seeing the community post because I discovered this channel recently and love it. It's as great as a kit kat

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Quote of the Day: “Don’t eat too many KitKats.”

[@Monie71793]

😂😂

[@summerrose8110]

I prefer Hershey's

[@teraphIl1000]

I loved *_PLL_* and I knew about *_Ravenswood_* when it came out, but I never had any inclination of checking it out (which is weird because I've always been really into spooky stuff); I must have known, somehow, that it wasn't worth it.

[@daisyjay2236]

Watching this makes me want to see you talk about other short-lived shows like The Secret Circle, The Nine Lives of Chloe King and The Shannara Chronicles. Your commentary is better than the actual show.

[@livgeneral6487]

Omg the nine lives of chole king I remember liking it and it just disappeared

[@KeganLeavess]

Oh my gosh, you got it back up! I missed it the first two times, so I'm so excited to see it!

[@trinaq]

Me too, I was halfway through watching the second video when it got taken down!

[@selmadjeziri8285]

I tried to watch this video yesterday and every single time I realize it's not available anymore, this time I'm not letting it go, I jumped on it as soon as it was released.

[@1xoxolovexoxo3]

Brett dier is such a good actor. The show didn’t deserve him 😩

[@summerrose8110]

Jane the Virgin treated him like shit too.

[@IHARumor]

Right? Thats also because the role of Michael on JTV suited him so much better I think. Brett is much better at playing more goofy, heartfelt roles than brooding teen roles imo haha.

[@summerrose8110]

@J.Nord I'm aware, I quit the show when they killed him off and read KZbin comments that he was brought back and I rolled my eyes.

[@Melanie-jy2nw]

I may be a Rafael and Jane shipper but they really destroyed his character there. They should have left the character dead because they just destroyed our image of him.

[@summerrose8110]

@@Melanie-jy2nw I disliked Rafael and loathe shipping so much.

[@mirunaelena4436]

Warning - 0:00 Spoilers - 0:55 Breakdown - 3:00 The characters - 8:28 , 17:45 , 24:34 , 26:34 🔸Caleb - 8:32 , 24:44 🔸Miranda - 12:00 , 24:52 🔸Hanna Marin - 13:11 🔸Hanna and Miranda talking - 14:24 🔸Miss Grunwald - 20:52 🔸Remy - 24:55 🔸Luke - 25:14 🔸Olivia (Luke's twin sister) - 25:22 Merritt Patterson (actress who plays Olivia) - 25:49 🔸Villain of the show - 26:57 Show directing - 9:21 The acting of show - 15:54 Quick compilation - 18:34 (skip this if it seems too long to view) Ravenswood could be a movie - 22:17 Final scene - 27:38

[@rinnielikesmemes]

the clips of this show look like what i’d describe if someone forty years from now told me to recall the vampire diaries.

[@chofireta555]

I think WB is trying to take it down cause they’re working on a reboot with hbo right now. They want us to forget about this show and the other failed Alison spin-off, so they’re “new idea” of a spin-off for PLL looks fresh.

[@jaslynn_nichole]

Oh yeah the perfectionists!!

[@allih8021]

FSN's laughter is the best. I had no idea this show was a thing but am, as always, down for a complete dissertation by FSN on it's relative terrible-ness. "PLL fever dream" is 100% accurate. ETA: There is no such thing as "too many Kit Kats."

[@existential-axolotl]

WB really said if we made no money on this show no one can

[@dani3po]

"¿How many cuts can you have to convey just one action?" 15 in a six second scene from Taken 3, where Liam Neeson jumps over a fence.

[@yourstruly9013]

I was trying to figure out why that actress was so familiar! My dad watches Hallmark Christmas movies all the time, and it drives everyone else in the house crazy. I've seen her plenty in those movies.

[@nicoleackerman205]

Oh my your dad does that to.

[@sonorasgirl]

The premise feels like if they’d tried to make the show Supernatural as a spin-off of Grey’s Anatomy…one episode one of the docs travels with her boyfriend, Sam, to a spooky town and supernatural shit happens…then she just goes back to doctoring and leaves Sam to explore the supernatural shit. Both shows continue like nothing happened…wtf CW?

[@Eris_Norregard]

Right? At least when they tried to start that spinoff series Bloodlines in season 9, it had the same tone and was set in the same world as the original show. If anything, it was TOO similar (why did there have to be a disappeared dad and a dead girlfriend again?), but the idea of basically a gang war between monster families was great and I wouldn't complain if it was explored in the main show.

[@sonorasgirl]

@@Eris_Norregard yeah! Totally do a monster based retelling of west-side story 😂

[@titantv4567]

You put yourself through these shows so we don't have to, respect bro we appreciate it.

[@MT-lk7qt]

Hanna and Alison's actresses look so similar that I consistently have trouble telling them apart

[@cece-707]

i guess maybe that's intentional considering how hard hanna tries to essentially become alison after she disappears?

[@julietafernandez6350]

I think one of the main reasons this show was doomed from the very start was the fact that the only PLL viewers who cared about Caleb were Hanna/Caleb shippers, and they would never have tuned in to the show that caused for him and Hanna to break up and him to get another love interest.

[@angelanns25]

i’m so late but real it’s like cringe honestly

[@chelsea1062]

What I find sad is the Ravenswood episode of pretty little liars in season 4 was actually one of my favorites. I loved the mystery behind that entire town so I was really looking forward on to an expansion of that but but the series that we got was a big disappointment compared to the episode that introduced it

[@Daniel27600]

I kept putting off watching this until it was too late so I’m watching ASAP!

[@ihatemickiegee]

so basically, they succeed at the same thing riverdale does: having a genuinely dark and creepy aesthetic going on in the town &... having nonsensical storylines be portrayed by conventionally attractive people in order to pass it off as if they know exactly what they're doing / exactly where the plot is going while the audience is just ~along for the ride~ ... a.k.a. ~it's up to us to figure out how all the pieces fit...~ except they make the pieces as they go along and are even more confused than us

[@eefaaaa8045]

do you know what else is funny? riverdale is diving into the whole supernatural thing i heard… cause SABRINA SPELLMAN is in the new season apparently. they’ve actually gone off the rails now i kind of want to start watching again to watch the train wreck.. lol

[@lilac.mascara]

@@eefaaaa8045 i mean yea cherly is a witch now 🤦‍♀️

[@eefaaaa8045]

@@lilac.mascara ….. REALLY?!

[@eefaaaa8045]

@@lilac.mascara pls be joking i can’t even tell at this point-

[@lilac.mascara]

@@eefaaaa8045 bestie i so wish I could tell you that

[@ellipszilonq]

Basically PLL tried to pull a Rivedale before Riverdale

[@currybread5298]

I didn't know I needed to hear your laughter😂🙏 Thanks for the video!

[@das_hazel]

You are a fricken hero for still fighting for this to stay. Again thank you for another gem of a video of something I had no ide existed, not sure HOW it existed, but knowing that it does makes it all great. And I don't know how go describe it but the acting in this show is like a 2000s video game; kingdom hearts come to mind? The dialogue implies an urgency and importance but the performance says otherwise

[@SS-nx2xx]

Space Ninja: I don't understand why Warner Bros is copystriking me Also Space Ninja: This is unironically the worst show in the history of mankind

[@carola2281]

I'm not missing this again

[@Level_1_Frog]

Yo Space Ninja, did you hear that Emily in Paris has a second season coming to netflix?

[@trinaq]

I hope that Dylan eventually covers this season. I'd love to hear his thoughts!

[@fairlyknownstranger9471]

Yeah and they changed the name! Apparently it’s about Kanye and Jay-z who happen to be in Paris.

[@Level_1_Frog]

@@fairlyknownstranger9471 wait, THATS who was in Paris? Huh, I always thought it was-

[@ww.DuzaFizz]

God why-

[@Rebe8d89AH]

Woww, a haircut and beard really changes a person. I thought we werejust collectively ignoring that Caleb isn't played by the same actor in both sshows but it's literally the same guy lmaoo.

[@meganhosmer7488]

"This show feels like an SNL skit of what a Marlene King horror show would be like" might be the most accurate summary of any show I have ever heard.

[@JustASammy12345]

Hey here’s a comment, hope it boosts engagement in whatever way possible.

[@nats.3183]

++

[@e.c.squared2507]

Love you account name 😂🛸🦄

[@weronika7841]

For the algorithm!

[@ditalivy8689]

For the algorithm!

[@krie8132]

I can remember watching ppl and getting to this whole sections and being SO confused. I was so angry at Caleb for suddenly leaving Hanna and everyone. It felt sudden and as soon as I got over it he came back 😶

[@zaraaneila5784]

Before I watch, let me tell you I have been a fan since Emily in Paris (surprise, surprise), I absolutely loved your commentary (as a fellow french). And I can't wait for you to do more shows, particularly GoT.

[@megarakadmea]

Oh I knew about this show. I was invested in Caleb and Hannah as a couple, so no matter how much I like the concepts of haunted towns and gothiness the premise angered me.

[@BigLadStudios]

Honestly I'm surprised that not everyone caught on that the halloween episode was leading to a spinoff. It was so on the nose and Caleb's sudden decisiom to leave just made it obvious that they had an agenda when writing this show. It was hilarious seeing Caleb return in Season 5 though.

[@gracekelley2907]

Oh my god, I was not prepared for that car crash scene.

[@e.c.squared2507]

I clicked on this SO fast when I got the notification in hopes of watching it in case it gets taken down again.

[@Helenurrrr]

Atleast pretty little liars and ravenswood have a thing in common: plot holes 🕳

[@hopestarr9869]

Thank you for working hard to repost this video, I was super excited when I saw you had reposted and it *wasn't* taken down!

[@jbear3478]

Listened to your videos during my 12 hour road trip. I don’t even watch half of these shows but I felt less alone! Thank you!!

[@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm]

The Church of the Algorithm gives this video its blessing, and must it stay clear of the blasphemers from The First Algorithmic Temple (and the many people impersonating their members).

[@sevincalieva3691]

Ravenswood sounds like it was trying to be like Supernatural, when the show was coherent enough to follow and actually had well thought storyline, basically Supernatural season 1-5. I'm a fan of Supernatural, so can't help but be deeply offended. Sorry for bad English...

[@Eris_Norregard]

Supernatural was still good after season 5. It had weak points (cough season 7 cough) but overall it stayed pretty great. At least until season 10, I just finished that yesterday. :D Season 11 seems pretty exciting so far too.

[@kaykeunil]

@@Eris_Norregard I think it was okay after season 5? But not great, but I think it depends on if ur a fan or not. I wasn’t a fan so when I decided to watch all of it I found the later seasons,,,okay at best , but I’m sure if someone is a fan it would be more interesting. Granted I’m sure that it’s also that my taste just doesn’t lie in shows like supernatural so

[@jaxonhirtle3436]

honestly i really enjoyed supernatural long after season 5, but also, I never really watched it for the plot as much as I watched it for the characters, which is the only reason it went on for so long.

[@Eris_Norregard]

@@kaykeunil You're probably right. I'm definitely a fan, I fell in love with the show and it's characters right away in season 1. I'm just wondering, if someone isn't a fan, why would they even watch something that went on for 15 years. :D I'd think that there'd be better ways to spend time. I definitely can see Supernatural season 1-5 being enjoyable for even casual viewers tho, especially 4 and 5 were hyper-focused and you can tell they really had some ultimate goal in mind.

[@katiadjaoued3709]

So excited about this You’v mentioned how much this show sucks so many times this almost feels like a gift

[@juk275]

Brett Dier (the “grumpy guy”) is one of the leads in the show Jane The Virgin and he’s so good in it! Crazy to think this is what he was in beforehand 😂

[@Amy-rb23]

I know this comment is a year old but I just saw this video and omg I was so shocked to see Brett Dier in this! He's my favourite in Jane the Virgin so this was super weird!

[@AJizza174]

i feel like Ravenswood would've been a hit with the CW audience tbh

[@papaaeon7210]

Isn’t the CW audience and the ABC audience the same?

[@AJizza174]

@@papaaeon7210 im sure there's some overlap