Friendship ended with i3: bspwm is my best friend now!

[@hmagellanlinux307]

"I'm just a normal guy" This from a Latin-speaking wilderness hermit who hates solar panels.

[@hatben]

I'm a normal guy, I'm a swell guy, I'm a nice enough guy, I'm a cool kind of guy, I'm a pretty groovy guy... But then I get a little SUGAR in me and start to go KOO-KOO!

[@DDBAA24]

@@hatben What is that from

[@med5032]

@@DDBAA24 Samir Al-Hajeed.

[@95pack]

Wow he's just like me!

[@g00zik97]

@@hatben Me and my girlfriend? we're steampunk gamer couple

[@HungNguyen-lz5xb]

Nice suit, but that tie is bloat though.

[@olivermead415]

agreed, should be used in absence of shirt top buttons like they were designed

[@____-gy5mq]

It's a safety tie.

[@jordanwarne911]

@@olivermead415 Clothes are bloat.

[@kylec.5476]

@Hùng Nguyễn Đức That was a good one!

[@aaronstark171]

@@jordanwarne911 going out tty is illegal in most places

[@roccandrew]

>follow Luke into i3 >move by myself into bspwm >follow Luke into dwm >Luke moves to bspwm

[@hugorc343]

>i use LARBS btw

[@matt-mel]

Guys he's dressed up for church, he didn't sell out to anyone but God

[@qpoweriuytpl]

Haha chess mate :)

[@JesseNeckred]

I love lamp

[@stumbling]

@barnyard YHWH must collect all foreskins...

[@ronald556]

@@stumbling @barnyard Wrong!

[@readme_nfo]

@barnyard fedora tip

[@tanujnagpal572]

Next video: I removed my WMs and Bars now it's just a tty

[@TheClau809]

huh, I saw this guy pull out a very usable TTY desktop on r/unixporn recenctly www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/e7y7xq/tty_they_told_me_tty_is_worthless/ and to be honest I didn't know something like that is possible at all

[@tanujnagpal572]

@@TheClau809 Fuck that's great

[@hendrix4597]

yea xorg and graphics is bloat

[@a_maxed_out_handle_of_30_chars]

Changing WM is just non-noob version of distro hopping

[@stryderx1]

Mate desktop crew checkin in.

[@evertonc1448]

Yes, after a couple years hopping between all ratpoisons people will end up just settling with kde.

[@Dan01-01]

Everton C glad I didn’t take not even close to a month to get tired of “ratpoisons”

[@lordseaworth6055]

This comment is so wrong lol

[@mathematicalninja2756]

@@evertonc1448 is that so? Lol. I'm glad I settled with KDE

[@WizardGambles]

YES!!!! I WAS COOL BEFORE LUKE WAS! MY LIFE IS COMPLETE NOW

[@AtomToast]

Oh no, he started WM hopping

[@TheAlison1456]

I'm inspired to dress myself in colorful formal outfits at work even though I don't work yet

[@atimholt]

I am so glad I recently discovered this channel. I’ve been having a lot of minimalist UI thoughts lately, and hadn’t known how much of it already existed. I despise monolithic software. I’m actually thinking of switching from 10 years of Vim to Kakoune.

[@gaonkarprajwal]

I've been using bspwm for about 6 months now. Glad to see you trying it out.

[@ezmod0]

An execootive running leenox?

[@WizardGambles]

I see yuu runneeng gnoom!

[@LANstorm.]

@@WizardGambles i preefer kde

[@____-gy5mq]

LANstorm mr robot?

[@LANstorm.]

@@____-gy5mq you ruined the joke , ok?

[@redd_cat]

I guess old habits die hard, huh

[@aptget1974]

looks like a DT parody :DDD One thing I like in my windowmanager is to navigate workspaces also left and right. super + {Left,Right} bspc desktop -f {prev,next}.local Iam using dwm atm and this option was much harder to implement.

[@____-gy5mq]

In order to stop this switching hell, just design your own distribution with your own window manager.

[@xGOKOPx]

All written in shell script

[@xGOKOPx]

@Cameron Sanders As a side note, I love their website. It's very simplistic while also being incredibly aesthetic

[@Dantastic]

Windsor knots are bloat; use the Half-Windsor.

[@JesseNeckred]

Admittedly responding before watching entire video: I was an extensive user of bspwm in the past. It is awesome. Very unix in philosophy. I am now on dwm. Mostly because I am all about the layout system. But bspwm is friggen awesome. i3 is cool and all, but bspwm is so much better if you ask me. now as I am listening to the video as I respond, about status bar: I love the status bar in dwm, because it is simply the same as a window header. let me give you a neat hint on bspwm, try to place the mouse cursor in a certain segment of a window when you hit a hotkey to open a new window. this will show you it is manual like i3, but in a much more intuitive way. yes sir, if I did not love dwm, I would be on bspwm without a question. this is coming from someone who has tried nearly all the tiling window managers. to conclude, I would suggest anyone who wants a manual tiler to go bspwm, auto do dwm. bspwm is also a nice place for those who kinda want to be in the middle of the two. my configs are here for bspwm and sxhkd, if interested sir Luke: github.com/notjessel/bkup

[@LeadasTwoKings]

Are you able to use Fake full screen - with Sys tray? I could never get that to work. (DWM)

[@JesseNeckred]

@@LeadasTwoKings oh i haven't tried, possibly. but I have a more refined fork of dwm now. started over from source, reinstalled all the patches, and switched to the versions of the layouts that support gaps. so every layout now has gaps. gaps that disappear and remove window border, when thete's one remaining window. took a bunch manual patching, but it's been so stable. I could try to add Fake fullscreen. the difference would be that I removed status colors. I'd say it has everything I like about every tiling window manager. the tag system is unbeatable. calling on any floating window at a whim. it's wizardry.

[@ariathyf144]

@@JesseNeckred Can you give us a tour and explain on vid how you set it up? Would love to see the workflow on that custom build.

[@Little-bird-told-me]

@@ariathyf144 RTFM

[@0xstev3]

you dressing up for us now?

[@kostasapostolopoulos_yt]

In the end, you will embrace Gnome.

[@pokefreak2112]

Wow, I can't believe R*ddit was using the perfect window manager all this time

[@abointedtoyblingofmats]

They did it for the wrong reasons, you're in the clear

[@twonumbernines9185]

@@abointedtoyblingofmats which are the wrong reasons?

[@KingZero69]

time to stop living the virgin tiling life and start living the CHAD XMONAD life my man...

[@twonumbernines9185]

>I'm just a normal person... >gets way too excited about trying a new window manager oh no...

[@nobu1730]

add this "xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr" to your xinitrc to correct your cross cursor!

[@OJSXGIIK]

I actually added a link to the Arch Wiki entry for bspwm about that a few months back.

[@netbotcl586]

what is wrong with the cross cursor?

[@Rankhole123]

Please make a comprehensive tutorial on bspwm!

[@MurderHornetProductions]

Some guys Distro hop. The truly elite window manager hop! I hope this one works out well for you!

[@davidreeves1408]

I was about 30 + yrs before I'd put on a tie. It became a requirement at this place where I was workin at the time, so I grudgingly obliged. Managers of our new project all wore 'em, and it was hinted at that those of us in "heads-down" positions had better do so too. I chafed at it all week. But, after a time... Catching myself in the washroom mirror... I found myself thinking "This isn't so bad"... "It doesn't seem terribly elitist, just wearing one with a long-sleeved shirt." "As long as it isn't one of those 'power-shirts'." Time passed and I became the owner of several ties, and the type of "trendy" shirt the other guys always wore: * Izod *. To me, that was some "meme" from the 80s: but I noticed * everybody * in our Dept. wore an Izod shirt. With the requisite grid pattern. After a time, I began to feel that we American men ought to dress up once in a while. Yeah, it's part of greed-head consooomer crapitalism. But sometimes, we gotta swim in the same pond as the rest of the fish ("normies"). (And my GF at the time really liked it.) :)

[@mentalmarvin]

You think a suit and tie is enough to prevent i3 from taking your house and car in the separation?

[@luke_filewalker]

I started in i3.. moved to bspwm for its simplicity and power and shell file config (with polybar and sxhkd).. then went to dwm thinking "more lean, more clean".. but with all the patching and admin, I'm back in bspwm - love it

[@beastbum]

You won't get away with this, Cypher!

[@serratedwarstep]

Mr. Smith is an agent of the Matrix now.

[@microcolonel]

I just forked dwm and deleted the bar and the borders, been using that since 2013 on everything from single-board computers to Threadripper workstations.

[@PantsYT]

>just forked >using that since 2013 huh

[@spenzenpoek]

90s infomercial guy selling idea to boomers. (hence the suit)

[@victorlasa]

I started using i3 because of you, but some time later I switched to bspwm/sxhkd/polybar mainly because of the less bloated approach and the Linux philosophy and all that. Also, having the binary space partitioning and gaps by default without having to rely on a fork is pretty awesome. I'm glad you made the switch as well!

[@raymondgradzewicz]

I have been using bspwm on my main machine for months, and I love the fact that it can be written as a shell script as it offers more extensibility in my opinion. I have tried several tiling window managers in my past. Qtile, Xmonad, Dwm, i3, herbsluftwm, and honestly im really liking bspwm. I think I have finally found one that I will stick with. (or i'll go back to i3) I prefer manual tiling window managers over dynamic ones.

[@jamesm5192]

Do any of them allow you to have a grid-like layout of workspaces? I want [some key combo] + up/down/left/right to switch between workspaces. The sensation that a workspace is physically left, right, up, or down from the current one is satisfying & intuitive.

[@raymondgradzewicz]

@@jamesm5192 I don't know about it tiling window managers but I have seen something like that in xfce distros, might be a good place to start.

[@mskyba]

Have you tried any window manager similar to bpswm in terms of philosophy/extensibility? I like dwm's tiling system but I like bspwm's minimalism and config system

[@raymondgradzewicz]

@@mskyba technically you can run your own scripts (written in any coding language) on any WM or DE allowing for plenty of extensibility. But if you really hate yourself, you can even go so far as to code your own custom made WM to fit your needs.

[@mskyba]

@@raymondgradzewicz What do you mean? On dwm, for example, you have to use the built-in keybinding system to be able to manage windows. To manage it with a script, you would have to either spam xdotool commands to simulate yourself pressing dwm's keys or use a patch like fsignal, neither of which are as elegant as having the window manager built with scripts in mind, right? I've been testing bspwm and the tiling system seems good enough for me to use it (but not ideal). Making my own WM seems like way too much pain, though... The fastest language I'm comfortable with is Go, which probably doesn't even have any Xorg bindings

[@zhejabello658]

Finally! Welcome friend. But seriously, I cannot use anything else ever since I tried it.

[@cherloire7978]

>window manager hopping

[@BlueBetaPro]

I knew this time would come some day, because superior. Bspwm just gets out of the way and you can do whatever you want with it. I have made a theme system just using simple scripts to change layout and stuff using bspc. I have tried numerous window managers and bspwm is just for me.

[@simonedeiana2696]

How do you tell that someone keeps changing his Linux setup without settling down? There’s no need, he’ll do a video about it

[@wytrzeszczux]

Like year ago Same guy said he don't wear underwear to save time today he got full tie

[@drumpf4all]

I need time to think. Too much here to take it in all at once.

[@jameswiltshire5173]

I do miss that classic Luke Smith Polybar

[@wewd]

0:36 - "I'm just a normal guy" NORMIE GET OUT REEEEEEEEE

[@ronald556]

Thats exactly what a non normal would say (;

[@SeanzieApples]

Luke you already converted me to DWM from i3 and now there's this. I gotta get some work done man! .. after I try out bspwm..

[@igo5543]

In this video, you focused on telling the advantages over I3, but not so much about the advantages over dwm. I would like to hear about them, because dwm is also programmable, both in c/c++ (which is super fast) but also with an external shell script.

[@talkysassis]

First: DWM documentation is just the hell itself. The code became so bloated and confusing that you must spend a whole week to understand how it works. Second: DWM is not trivial to install as they do not provide binaries with default settings Third: DWM needs a lot of tweaks to be riced as bspwm is a lot more out of the box with that

[@СергейГордиенко-п4д]

​@@talkysassisok you cool kid

[@mauc3102]

this will never stop, you just will keep switching from program to program with the excuse of productivity, while wasting way more time on this process than if you had just used whatever

[@LukeSmithxyz]

oh no! I guess i'll be sentenced to making ad revenue from linux minutiae for the rest of my life!

[@mauc3102]

@@LukeSmithxyz wow i cant believe luke senpai finally noticed me

[@guyincognito5663]

ooo wo dude that was so beta.

[@watkinsishere]

So you are saying luke should finish his PhD?

[@Cerv3ra]

The meme continues.

[@ryukshinigami5106]

When you just finished configuring your dwm build after seeing Luke's dwm video....................

[@ulissemini5492]

luke: you can do if statements in your config! dwm: am i a joke to you?

[@simonkomaratonko]

wants advice, whole comment section full of memes

[@madsen4617]

its funny how giddy you become when trying out new window managers

[@xGOKOPx]

Now I can say I was using bspwm before it was cool

[@WizardGambles]

Yeah man. Now we're the cool kidz on the block

[@BrodieRobertson]

I'll have to check out bspwm if nothing else it'll make good content for the channel

[@aimossy6466]

Where it started

[@maxmustermann-hx3fx]

Why does he look like a man who never eats chocolate

[@AgressiveHouse]

would be nice to have a step-by-step instructions on how to switch to bspwm if you are totally unfamiliar with it: install, default config, additional things (status bars, volume control, monitor setup tools, etc), and a walkthrough of how do you use it (shortcuts, actions walkthrough)

[@shimeo81]

archwiki has most of this but you just want to be spoonfed dont u? lmfao

[@AgressiveHouse]

@@shimeo81 IV-injected with all the needed stuff instead of spoonfed :-P

[@pinguino123698745]

Is suckless bloat now? What comes next, a window manager that consists of an empty C file where you write in your own wm?

[@TheVikingProgrammer]

So glad to see you switching to the simplest and easiest window manager, I switched about a year ago or so. Now we just got to get you on NixOS /s

[@DannyMexen9]

Man, these older videos watch differently now. Haha

[@recarsion]

Hey Luke I recommend you check out lemonbar. It's a very simlistic panel, you basically just pipe a string into it and it will display it, all shell based but I think you could use whatever language you want for it. It's not as easy as polybar but maybe you'll like it, I definitely recommend it.

[@SalarKalantari]

It's been two month since I moved from X11 and i3 to Wayland and Sway on my Gentoo Linux. Highly recommended.

[@Mankepanke]

Too bad about us Nvidia cucks, though

[@Mibaa]

@Gatgeagent Using any program other than a terminal emulator and a browser is bloat anyways

[@DavidSmith-bh6ez]

Luke Smith beginning to WM hop.

[@rubenvd3913]

I don't like ties, but that tie is damn cool

[@UCm0i6w5lBlRthCtZEoj99tg]

have you considered self leveling concrete?

[@Viken43]

I trust him I would vote for him... Luke for President

[@johndoeradiok]

Aww i3 was too proudy?

[@oORoOFLOo]

You are very influential in the LINtuber community :)

[@TrouvatkiDePercusion]

I would absolutely love to see a video from you about the Dvorak layout, regardless what your specific opinion actually is

[@martinprochazka3714]

Someone should tell the guys at suckless that dwm is not suckless enough.

[@secdeal]

BSPWM is my first tiling WM. I started using it 15 months ago, and I did not feel the need to switch from it. It works well. Simple config.

[@MrConcord75]

Luke, I feel like you're giving us the 12 Days of Christmas with these videos.

[@duffman6088]

muh minimalism

[@ethanp5215]

Dressed for that sexual harassment case?

[@astralchan]

3:20 I notice that your cursor isn't set to left_ptr and is the unassigned one. Bspwm doesn't even do this automatically. To fix this, add xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr & to your xinitrc as suggested here: wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cursor_themes#Change_X_shaped_default_cursor

[@abucket3915]

Weird i dont have this issue on void linux The void wiki also has instructions for that but I since I dont encounter this issue I did not even bother. Maybe it's because i'm using lxdm or maybe because I have xfce installed or maybe because I already applied a theme using lxappearance. I remembered xfce appearance settings probably already themed my cursor. Welp another correction to my comment: it seems lxdm sets the cursor. Because when I startx on a tty it has a cursor like that. Well my question solved also why am I correcting myself. I dunno it bugs me to have a comment that has the wrong answer but I know the correct answer for. So this comment was kinda pointless. Also pls ignore this

[@bassbatterer]

Thats actually a really nice shirt and tie.

[@charliesuarez1033]

> normal guy sure luke

[@mc4444]

You can get it to go in a spiral if you configure `automatic_scheme` to `spiral`.

[@daksh6752]

The only thing, literally the only thing I don't like about bspwm is that you've separate commands for shrinking and expanding a window... Which kinda is a bummer for me...

[@robotglock6909]

Boomer either had a court appearance or he got a job managing a Blockbuster video

[@leviticus8930]

You should try Spectrwm. Like bspwm, it is written in C, was inspired by dwm to be light, and like xmonad and qtile, it handles multimonitors the same way. Very light.

[@JivanPal]

This is just xmonad, but 5 years younger, and extensible via a shell script rather than Haskell.

[@chronos1081]

BTW, sxkhd isnt really external, it was made by the person who made bspwm for bspwm.

[@b4ssripper]

Luke's specter progresses exponentially.

[@wacesferpit]

I use and really like bsp, I just love the scripting potential it has for automation

[@telotawa]

luke smith in 2020: yeah im just using x11. nothing on top of it just x11

[@b4ssripper]

screaming just tty and emacs

[@tonn333]

FINALLY!

[@ChipAltmanxD]

Call me crazy, but I've been wanting to configure a window manager to be modal like Vim.

[@agh0x01]

i3 has modes

[@psykotedy]

There was a while where bspwm was all the rage over on /r/unixporn, so you might be well served to trawl the depths of that subreddit for configuration ideas (despite the often low singal-to-noise ratio there).

[@shaftymaze]

I love watching a uniboomer go down this rabbit hole after I’ve been there. Lots of inspiration on /r/unixporn. Sadly there’s no 12 step program that’ll save you.

[@zZGzHD]

god damn it luke i just got my dwm rice just right

[@hanshofman2685]

Maybe you should take a look at Herbstluftwm, which is quite similar to bspwm, but much more flexible to customize.

[@GuerreroMisterioso95]

Now please try ratpoison.

[@marcussmithwick6326]

window hopping

[@klintmuse2241]

@LukeSmith is their a book like the Lingua latina for konie Greek or a good concordance into English and Latin ?

[@bruderdasisteinschwerermangel]

very classy today

[@forgiveness_denied]

true linux evangelist

[@shater1164]

Awesome or Herbstluft!!!

[@NotAFanMan88]

Lookin fit for leaving KZbin to go and be a wagie.

[@schukaproallied9834]

I cant wait to write scripts for bsp with python now

[@andibensisva2155]

Nooo... I just start following your i3 style.

[@muela8491]

If you don't want that X cursor when it's not over a window run this or add it to your bspwm xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr

[@GCoda]

i am ashamed now i used i3 - as a noob, it was first one usable out of the box for me i used bspwm - predefining split, not resizing all the windows, "monocle" zen cycling, or monocle + 50% padding and a floater on the side. i used herbsluftwm - coz i really missed tabbed\stacked layout from i3. and it is still by favorite, ...i guess and now ... Gnome with PaperWM and not going back

[@gronki1]

FRIENDSHIP REGAIN WITH i3. Now i3 & bspwm Both are My best Friends.