Frieren 1x26 The Height of Magic - GROUP REACTION!!!

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

I am so happy you linked Frieren's "pinnacle of magic" with the attack that killed Basalt the demon general.

[@Ozai75]

The one she referenced wasn't that attack tho. She said "Last time I was forced to use that was 80 years ago" IE she had to use it against the Demon King.

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

@@Ozai75 She defeated Basalt WAYYY before the Demon King. That was the last time she was forced to use it, not the only time.

[@Ozai75]

@@jaideepshekhar4621 That's what I said.

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

@@Ozai75 Pretty sure they referenced that time when she first met Flamme. You are talking about something else.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

@@Ozai75 there's no contradiction that she could've used it against the Demon King AND Basalt as well. So it could be the exact same attack.

[@raqueloshio8252]

Frieren's magic is not explained, however my personal belief is that her magic is so advanced and strong that is equivalent to a curse. Remember the Chaos Flower episode? Frieren explained that demons and monster's curses cannot be sensed because they are beyond human understanding, and therefore cannot be defended against.

[@nikolah.8472]

My theory is that she really reached the pinnacle of magic. Frieren mentioned that most of the spells are not fully understand the principles behind it, like flying. So i think mages use mana, but only to a degree. They can twist it and manipulate it to do what they want, but they dont comprehent the fundamental laws of nature behind it. In the attack we saw Frieren using literally the law of gravity to crush Fern. Fern cant detect mana in it, because she is crushed by nature itself. Its true power, not twisted but pure. So she cant get hints, what to protect from. All the mages tell they can detect attacks because all spells release mana, because they bend it. Also i think Übel does the same, but Übel only does it out of intuition. She doesnt get the laws behind her power, but enough to use it to cut even the best defences. Frieren on the other hand has fully understanding of this law, so its her trump card, because no mage would expect that. I also think Frierens seek for new magic is to get more knowledge in all directions to get a better picture about all laws of nature. She would be more powerful then Serie, because Serie might have more Mana, but if Frieren has this power she could defeat her. Serie could maybe not learn it, because she only cares for spells as tools. If you are so focused on one sided magic, it would be very hard to get the bigger picture.

[@Howard213]

That's why frieren is the🐐

[@HaibaneRakka571]

I think the show just doesn't make a clear distinction between magic and sorcery, it's possible there's a difference that hasn't been defined yet by the scholars of the world of Frieren

[@sneakyguy4444]

"Visualization"

[@geebeepman]

now imagine if the spiegel can summon several copies of the same person at the same time - multiple frierens in this case; and then they instantly respawn the very moment you kill them.

[@Olagoob]

Magic: entire ability system based on vibes.

[@tiagoh.4120]

Fern got hit with Frierens bombastic side eye 😏💨🤷‍♀💥 😂🤣

[@kagani6202]

17:15 Frieren has just always been OP it seems

[@HaibaneRakka571]

Ubel's magic is literally "nah I'd win"

[@Panster7]

Übel is just built different. Like literally, her brain is probably wired differently than most people 😆

[@domothebro2435]

Ubel using the power of delusions

[@JewJitSuSixty9]

Ferns first blast did not kill Frierens clone. I mean as you can see Frieren outclassed Fern by a landslide. Fern thought she could kill Frieren but she was completely overconfident. If they fought 1v1 she would have been killed in 45 seconds max

[@matthewk320]

i think her secret magic is her imagination. she uses her anger and imagines how to defeat her enemy.

[@markvicferrer]

Ubel's spell seems to be a single cut. If faced with something "impossible" to cut, I imagine she'd send out two simultaneously attacks that converge on a single point, like shears cutting through cloth.

[@HaibaneRakka571]

Ubel is 100% red flags but I'm colorblind

[@vishky4907]

I really want to see the battle between fern clone and methode

[@kpetalis]

Ubel's visualization is not exactly a talent as much as it is a mental disorder really. Consider this, when you see cloth for the first time you see it as a simple fabric. Whether that cloth is thick or thin, it is still cloth and you assume it can be cut right? Now, imagine that that cloth is reinforced with carbon fibers or even thin metal rings. What would happen then? You identify the reinforcement and you know intellectually that this isn't just a simple piece of cloth anymore. It isn't something that can be cut with a pair of scissors and you will search for another way to bypass the new armor. That is the logical thing to do, that is what been able to identify a difference in a previous concept leads to. No matter the imagination you might have, there is no way a person would gaslight themselves in believing that a pair of scissors would be able to cut reinforced steel. That is what bewildered Sense. Ubel is doing exactly that. She knew that the cloak in front of her was tank level armor, she knew that anything she threw at it would do nothing to it, yet, she actually believed that what she saw in front of her was not reality and that it was a simple piece of fabric! I mean who does that? Even idiots that do the same attack again and again against a fortified position believe that the attack will eventually work because the previous attacks did some damage, not because they actually believe that the new attack will actually work on its own. Ubel literary has programmed in her soul a belief that if something is cloth or hair as a general concept, then that something can be cut period! It's not something that can be taught, its not that I will convince myself that I can do something. She actually perceives this as reality no matter that it objectively is not. And she actually knows it is not in an intellectual level. That is why Sense is horrified and calls her crazy and her ability a superpower. Because it is actually something that IS crazy and Ubel IS crazy. And that is where the limitation of her power comes from. She can cut anything she has identified as something that can be cut since she was a child. Meaning cloth, hair, flesh etc. She can't cut cleanly stone, steel or wood or anything else like that. Her attacks might do some damage, but those attacks would do as much damage as the force behind the attack, it will not bypass it completely like it would do to cloth or hair. But defensive spells such as the one used in the series is another thing entirely. The defensive spell used is a mana construct that its entire purpose is to block completely mana based attacks such as her signature spell. She learned this to be the truth when she first learned the spell and grew with that concept as an absolute truth and reality. She never had any other influence about this, so she can't convince herself that her attacks can actually bypass this defense which is why Wirbel managed to defeat her. Her attacks were blocked and he is overall a better fighter with far more experience and talent likes she herself admitted. As for Fern, while she is an impressive mage and will certainly grow even stronger with time and experience, she in not ready to face Frieren alone anytime soon. The episode cemented the fact that Fern could not face Frieren, she acted as an assassin the entire battle, waiting for the perfect opening in order to exploit it. The clone was focused on Frieren for the entire battle, and we were told in the episode by Frieren herself that some of the openings she created for Fern to exploit, Fern was not able to recognize and use, meaning that Fern is still lacking both in experience, skill and sheer strength. While she does have the potential to grow enough for her to defeat Frieren in the end, that is still many years down the road if it is even possible. In her current state, I would place her under Denken, Wirbel and Methode since I believe all three of them could win against her in a one on one battle. Denken because of his experience and knowledge. Wirbel because of his battle experience, versatility and his signature spell Sorganeil. Fern is a long range mage and does not know a lot about his magic, so it would be easy for him to place her in a position that he can see her whole body and trap her. And finally Methode is extremely versatile and has restrain magic that we were shown to be extremely effective against Fern, and it is implied in the episode that she defeated Fern's clone in a one on one battle already.

[@Erwinjvc]

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