Frieren: Beyond Journey's End 1x25: "A Fatal Vulnerability" // Reaction and Discussion

[@MC-yt1uv]

I always found the scene with Serie walking with Frieren to be really sad. Serie still saw Flamme as a little girl who liked flowers. Her first thought after hearing of Flamme's death was to think about the walks through the woods while holding hands. Poor Serie needed to sit down with someone like Himmel to help her process her emotions.

[@BlackhaloZ]

Sad and beautiful.

[@Maxwellkage2763]

That scene between Frieren and Serie is my favorite in show

[@logikx1325]

@@Maxwellkage2763 Serie asking Frieren to walk with her was her awkward way of acknowledging that Flammes' death impacted her....however annoyed she was with the will, she still, on some level, wanted to take a few moments to remember her student.....even if backhanded compliments are all she knows.

[@BilalKhan-hq6cg]

it's one of my favourites because of the sadness surrounding Flammes death. One thing that kills me is that POV shot from Serie where Flamme runs ahead of her and Serie doesn't let go of her hand until Flamme is too far ahead. Breaks my heart, in a good way.

[@BlackhaloZ]

@@BilalKhan-hq6cgBeautifully done and it hits right in the feels.

[@UFOinDisguise]

That's what I love about Serie's character, she's very misunderstood, she's not a Tsundere, Tsunderes know they're emotions and act like they're not, but Serie doesn't know and doesn't understand, she's as complex as what an Elf that lived for millennias Should Be.

[@mesajarjarbinks9747]

A kuudere I believe

[@DXDragon38]

15:58 I love the contrast between Serie looking into the past, while Frieren is facing towards the future!

[@lenOwOo]

Literally the only Rector i watched that realized serie do follow flamme's will, . . Just a thousand year late on their first time watching.

[@killermartian_3923]

thats why autosave are the goats

[@cattomeow6511]

Yeah, A few reactor notice that at first watching

[@oliverseasky]

@@killermartian_3923fr they have enough notes on this series to fill an entire notebook, no other reactor is this invested and dedicated

[@AndragonLea]

Serie was pouting because it wasn't what she wanted. As an elf, that took her a few centuries.

[@luigimanzelli3786]

that ties back to the flashback where Serie says that elves can afford to delay their decision even for a millennium, so now, after a thousand years, she felt like doing it (probably on a whim if i had to guess :D)

[@SantosoWijaya]

The name Flamme was so apropos. She was basically the Prometheus of this world.

[@lenOwOo]

I just fukken realized that

[@MC-yt1uv]

Flamme was also a master manipulator of elves. Both Serie and Frieren are living the lives that Flamme wanted them to. I wouldn't be surprised if we learned that Flamme and Kraft were adventuring pals and she suggested that he become a monk.

[@hayakueon3230]

​@@MC-yt1uvI doubt it. Kraft is probably way more ancient than Flamme's legacy.

[@pwarner]

@@MC-yt1uv It never says this outright in the show, but the statues of Kraft and his friend all show Kraft as a fighter and his friend as a priest. It seems like he took up priesthood in memory of his friend, at least that is my guess

[@DarwinAwardWinner]

That flashback within a flashback is so powerful. It took me a while to figure it out, but Serie didn't tear up Flamme's will because she hated what was written in it. She tore up the will because she wasn't ready to accept that Flamme had passed away. I think Serie went on that walk with Frieren, despite neither of them really having an interest in each other, because Serie just wanted to talk to another person who remembered Flamme. By the way, we already know what spell Frieren would ask for from Serie, because Serie already made her that offer in a flashback during the first test. (Frieren didn't ask for anything, because "the greatest joy of magic lies in searching for it".) I think the spell that "seals a door at the risk of your life" doesn't mean that the spell directly endangers the caster's life. It just indirectly endangers them by forcing people to kill them in order to open the door.

[@geekley]

Yeah, but in this case Frieren did do something to earn it. So it's possible she would ask for something, I mean, she had to complete a dungeon and everything.

[@miva1214]

What i love about Frieren is how despite the amazing visuals snd animation the highlight of the episode if often about human connections

[@jonathasfgoncalves1572]

Well put

[@raruteam]

Methode would be Sein's type, the anime translated "onee-san" as older woman, but it's more like a woman with big sister energy, which Methode fits quite well.

[@Senji-Ch.]

I also think the Zoltraak reflexive defense thing could also be compared to nowadays technology. For example a child who is born in let's say 2010 will be 14 now and they will have an incredibly easy time operating a smartphone and using it's abilities while a person who is born in let's say 1960 who will be 64 now will have a much harder time adapting and learning how to use a smartphone. It is not impossible but you will need to put in effort to do it, while to the kid it will almost come naturally since they were born in such a time and operating a phone is, as the show said : Engraved into their being

[@jmhaces]

Yeah, just like she told Frieren, Serie took a thousand years to delay her decision to honor Flamme's last request and then came up with a way to do it on her terms so that she only taught and recognized the very talented. And she did so despite having refused already. I find fascinating that Serie is so powerful and knowledgeable but she has been shown to take things other people tell her into account and re-adjust her opinions, like when Flamme told her Frieren could beat the Demon King but they could not and she didn't argue after Flamme explained what she meant, or in this episode when she flatly refuses to do as Flamme asked but then starts re-examining the idea after Frieren tells her that Famme knew she'd get upset and tear up her will but her dream of making magic available to humans had come true.

[@DXDragon38]

3:40 Sein would propose INSTANTLY if he met Methode :)

[@batteriesnotincluded4734]

frieren is a show that can make you cry not because it is sad, but because it is beautiful

[@Swarbie8D]

I just love that this is the first time Frieren has been showing using any offensive spell that isn’t Zoltraak. Fern said that Frieren told her that basic offensive magic was all that was needed to defeat mages of the current era, but Frieren is not a mage of this era. For all that Flamme set her up as a mage of a peaceful era, Frieren is old-school and so needs to use actual battle magic against herself. It immediately puts her on a completely different tier to every human mage in the show

[@geekley]

Yet she's STILL loses because of a Zoltraak lol

[@mattar8432]

​@@geekley if she wasnt there herself the copy would just kill Fern and everyone in the dungeon trying fight her

[@cyberdude4330]

Serie's relationship with Flamme is more or less a direct parallel to Frieren and Fern's, the difference is that one had someone like Himmel to make her realise her emotions. That's why the other can't be honest with her own.

[@GameMaster-sh7tr]

These bunch of episodes are just so good and fun. Animation is on point and so many things tie together.

[@kaguyahioguu12]

12:03 "no, take me back, please!" *instant flashback from 1000 years ago*

[@やすけん-u7m]

13:30 I like how the woman on the right instantly understands and reacts to the tsundere

[@peppys8322]

I don't always watch reactors' discussion--yet I always give you both an ear! You both analyze well. I finished this show a while back, but hearing your analysis opens up new perspectives. Almost as if I'm rewatching and enjoying Frieren in another light

[@chaircheck2424]

I imagine "stops detecting mana when casting a spell" is like the mage equivalent of someone firing a gun and squeezing their eyes shut just as it fires.

[@Ebosan87]

You can tell Anna edits these, love how she leaves little markers for herself (the hand wave, this is done so you can see it while scrubbing through the timeline) whenever Ben decides to go back and look through the episode, so she knows where to insert the footage.

[@bobislav85]

By the looks in Serie's eyes I think she had mother feelings towards Flamme. Also AutoSave are the best Reactors!

[@LawrenceVengeance]

Flamme's flashback was basically a eulogy for her.

[@UltraHD.7]

This is probably my favorite episode of the season, especially that Serie flashback never fails to tear me up. Seeing her remembering little Flamme... 😢 All that flashback episodes with Serie and Flamme are so emotional, they really are 2 of my favorite characters.

[@tamarlevy5949]

god the animation is incredible. & frieren is so pretty 🥺❤️

[@nonko83]

One of the charms of this animation is its wonderful structure!！！

[@artboymoy]

I agree with Anna that Methode would be a good fit for Sein. She's old enough and would be his type. I loved the flashback with Serie and seeing how much she actually cared about Flamme and just doesn't have the capability to express her sorrow. I also really like how Frieren breaks down the difference between generations with magic. Fern has grown up with magic and is able to cast it easily, as opposed to Frieren who still takes a bit longer to cast Zoltrak. Its like kids knowing how to used computers and phones and older generations still might not have a solid grasp of it.

[@barbaros99]

0:44 - Oh Lord, Anna, I empathize with you so hard about this.

[@aediusbarbatus]

1. Methode is ABSOLUTELY the right kind of woman for Sein. Anna gets it. She is 100% "onee-san" archetype. 2. Ben watching Kanne and Lawine and being like "they really are just like sisters" - sure, buddy. Sisters. To paraphrase the wise Fern from way back in episode 3, Ben "seems to be hopelessly dense." 😉

[@mhawang8204]

2. Historians would agree with Ben, though. “Cousins” maybe 😉

[@BlackhaloZ]

Great discussion. You guys pick up on so many points that have been discussed on the r/anime sub.

[@railgunduck]

We all know how Frieren looks good and all. Can we talk about how you two always look so good?

[@Panster7]

Little Flamme was too cute

[@geekley]

22:34 You know what? This is why I love the open-source software community. It's literally based on this concept. Guys voluntarily contributing for the benefit of everyone just because why not. I've used so much free software, so I might as well contribute in something here and there.

[@randomverse1501]

Finally some reactors who understand Serie true feelings. Fern can defeat Frieren alone, who could have thought , Right?

[@druidicdwarf]

they are unbeatable in reactions

[@vix17vix07]

2:09 now it’s been confirmed that Frieren is gonna had season 2 soon. I’m so happy.

[@geekley]

Imagine if Fern takes another elf as an apprentice lol just to continue the cycle I'm looking at you, Craft

[@Shigeru0508]

pretty sure Methode is just the type of "onee san" -Heiter- Sein was looking for

[@sukilma1168]

Worng Priest 🤣

[@gilgameshlfx7006]

Sein*

[@Mannalon31]

Favorite frieren reactor’s

[@maxdon2001]

Great reaction!

[@samcope451]

Low key glad you are pacing watching Freiren because I’ll be so upset when this finishes 💔

[@LooKingG00d]

Serie is very tsundere 😂 she very much feels the opposite of what she claims she feels

[@ethanlynch9471]

It's a shame that the series is ending (until S2 comes out in 2040) but I hope they react to something like Undead Unluck, cause I think they would really like the power system and the world building

[@neretilderem7029]

Serie is a warmage, valuing only combat magic and power. That's why she refuses to fight the demon lord, to keep the world in permanent war. Flamme was an in-between who spent her life killing demons and teaching combat magic to Frieren. That's why Frieren's love for magic diminished, but she managed to reignite her passion after showing the flower magic. And Frieren is the peace hippi, who kills the demons if she has to, but values a simple folk magic over any combat magic and just wants to spend her life looking for them. Fern is the same as her. And this is why Serie dislikes Frieren, she thinks Frieren is wasting her potential and the ideology they believe in are polar opposites

[@ambatuBUHSURK]

she is not best described as a peace hippie lmfao. She loves combat too.

[@neretilderem7029]

@@ambatuBUHSURK Compared to Serie, she is. And im not sure she "loves" it... i mean in episode 10 Flamme asks her if she likes magic and she says she loves it, but after teaching her combat magic only for 50 years she asks the same question and Frieren answers "somewhat". That doesn't sound like she "loves combat"

[@rendezvousonmemorylane]

I love this episode!

[@6fhawk]

The original wording of 'old man' in english translate is referring man at the range between 40-50 (in dictionary) or even 30-50 (by look or how the speaker don't want to interact). I would say 'old man' is a bit too old for the original word. But the 'old man' Lawine said in this episode definitely mean old man, she just want to lowkey insult him.

[@She-Devil94]

To me Kanne and Lawine seem to be more than just "like sisters". I sense a hint of love between them. They have moments that only couples usually get and Lawine being a tsundere can work as well^^

[@filipeoliveiraladislau4533]

take the pages out and put on a "binder"(not sure of who to call this in English)

[@HanabiraKage]

"at the risk of your life" I think this was just a bad choice of wording. The spell creates a seal linked to the caster's own life. Think of it as something like a dead man's switch - it's simply a seal that can only be deactivated by either killing the caster or convincing them to dispel it themselves.

[@arathcortez8803]

Un saludo al Barufis desde NuevoLion

[@martinloss4171]

I like it that they build-up Fern to be an awesome mage and everyone thinks that she will be able to beat Frieren ... until next episode. Fern was smashed like a bug which makes total sense. Becoming incredibly strong takes time. Many others shows today ignore that fact (e.g. Star Wars with Rey).

[@angelovargas938]

Absolutely love Richter having beef with this random teenager he fought once. Dedicated hater

[@Vatsu03]

8:41 Sisters!?

[@rikuzais]

I need yall to react to link click sooo bad

[@squidy6122]

Serie is tsundere elf just it....

[@stra1608]

Guys please watch Sound Euphonium

[@yamlanki825]

Hello, please react to Konosuba

[@bacsrm6897]

Frieren lowkey said to everyone they dont make a step inside the chamber or get vaporized lol

[@moehanekyaw2088]

Is it just me or does Ben looks like younger, more handsome (?) Rekkles?

[@iyari219]

Serie 🥹

[@junzaragoza608]

Day 12 of asking Anna and Ben to watch Dungeon Meshi

[@Keldarin]

Serie is just incapable of being honest about her emotions.

[@aditya01487]

And henceforth a tsundere

[@モブりんご-p8c]

服かわいい😍

[@bigmichael6156]

It´s funny that all the names are German.

[@BlackhaloZ]

Frieren, Apothecary and maybe Kaiju 8 are the shit. Demon Slayer peaked in season one. So much effort towards mid shows. I'd be astounded if you guys did weakest tamer.

[@marquism5170]

i hate when people talk in "smokers voice". listen, I'm way older than this man and been smoking all my life. just why? sounding like weezy