Frieza Saga Dub Comparison: Which Version Was BETTER?

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

Happy New Years! Here's our opinion on these iconic scenes. let me know what your score would've looked like.

[@cnsayin8847]

I noticed for the scene where Frieza begged for energy, you actually gave z 2 points out of nowhere despite you claiming it was a narrow victory. You actually did the same thing with your comparison video for the Saiyan Saga (I can't remember which one it was). If you don't believe me, watch this scene again and you'll see. Really, your final score should be 10-4.

[@Mysterious.phanto]

you should react to the kia vs z dub of gohan vs cell i think both dubs have there pros Especially when perfect cell was Raging

[@kelvinusingmermaidaccountk7045]

But why not ocean dub and Bruce falcon version they rock the the dragon

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

@@cnsayin8847 No the count was supposed to be 3 going on 4 but it said 2 so my editor just changed it from 2 to 4

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

I didn't overlay the dbz music onto kai. But yes I can after im done with this version I can go back and do a video with the faulconer version if I can find it

[@nathanialsee]

In Kai, Sean’s delivery in this arc makes Goku sound like he’s out for pure vengeance. My favorite version of this arc for sure!

[@bowserbreaker2515]

I agree. He doesn't sound stilted or like some lame superhero. He sounds like a vengeful warrior.

[@cnsayin8847]

As it should be. Definitely one of the best performances from Sean as Goku.

[@WhiteWomanSlasher]

Should’ve heard the Spain dub version then lmao.

[@evenfm97]

Sean likes z better tho😂

[@bowserbreaker2515]

@@evenfm97 That's not true. He's said before that he is really glad he got to do Kai.

[@HonestLettuce]

Ocean did Vegeta's rage justice. You could feel the utter rage he was exuding. Also the scene where Frieza tortures is more terrifying in Kai. ESPECIALLY with the OST.

[@Jlaps941]

Brian Drummond was something else during the Frieza Saga. He portrays early Vegeta better IMO since he comes across more as a villain while Sabat is better as post Frieza Saga Vegeta who’s more antihero

[@JohnWiku]

​@@Jlaps941 Man!! Totally agree with your assessment, really encompasses Vegeta character development perfectly!

[@awsomeboy360]

@@Jlaps941In Kai sabat is better than Drummond.

[@SunnyD876]

He did really good but I simply don’t like his voice at all unfortunately

[@BlackJacked]

Yeah he sounds way too much like a gremlin for me to like it, tho I liked his Copy Vegeta

[@teeboz6237]

I think most people agree that Vegetas rage scene was actually done best in the original Ocean dub. One of the only scenes to be better than the other dubs.

[@eddy67]

Brian Drummond has a fantastic screaming voice

[@teeboz6237]

@@eddy67 yep, one of the best in the entire DB series and off the top of my head I can’t think of one better. Sean is great too though when he really lets rip.

[@GeteMachine]

Recoome's voice in the Ocean Dub is one I think actually were better than in Funi. I wish Chris Sabat tried to copy that version.

[@aprettyfunnyperson4516]

Drummond and Lanipator actually make Vegeta sound as angry as he looks

[@GIBBEH]

10:23 "Virginia! Hanging out with little boys in spandex I see!"

[@calvincraig3224]

Top tier comment 😂

[@superpaytonmars8852]

Yes.😀

[@secondpath5148]

​@@superpaytonmars8852I LOVE YOU VERGINA BUT YA CANT BE DOING THAT MAN COME ON!

[@superpaytonmars8852]

@@secondpath5148 There's no escape vernana!

[@chrism.1749]

@@superpaytonmars8852 Prepuhtuhduh…

[@andrewsd.r.7180]

Vegeta's rage at beign tricked by Gohan is at his best in the Ocean Dub, Brian Drummond's screams and dialoge just hits different

[@jasontoddler7680]

Brian Drummond??? What video you talking about? This the Funimation dub.

[@happycompy]

I totally agree. Brian Drummond absolutely CRUSHES that scene. That said, the ocean dub is hilariously bad overall.

[@Made_In_Heaven88]

I'm such a sucker for "Ally to Good, Nightmare to you!" that shit had me hyped when I first saw it

[@jasontoddler7680]

Yeah I just really don't like the "SON GOKU" bit in Kai

[@Chrillin___]

@@jasontoddler7680come on I grew up with the Funimation dub but that line is so incredibly corny 😭 the “Son Goku!” delivery is infinitely more impactful and makes WAY more sense

[@jasontoddler7680]

@@Chrillin___ Yeah, I also think it's corny. But I also think it sounds cheesy when Goku says, "Son Goku" in English. It just doesn't sound right, especially because you never hear the Son part. The speech itself was easily better in Kai, but the second I hear Son Goku, I cringe.

[@juelzsantana211]

Ally to good was hella cheesy but it just rings nostalgia for me. Lol

[@rory828]

⁠@@jasontoddler7680kakarot has a better version of this line check it out

[@shunclark596]

the voice crack when goku turned ssj in the kai dub man…absolutely brilliant voice work

[@robertrogers074]

What's a voice crack ?

[@SergeofBIBEK]

Guy legit rated "You'll rue the day!" as better than "I'll kill you!"

[@Rafael-fo9sp]

The second comparison with Vegeta made me realise he doesn't have the same idea of impact and epicness as I do lol

[@MokerB]

Good Video! Although a little flawed. The whole OG Z dub was meant to go with the Faulconer Productions score. That was the original dub product that Funimation made, and was the version that was broadcasted on TV. The Z dub with japanese score is just one of the audio choices released on the dvd's and blu rays. In my opinion it doesn't fit at all since the Faulconer score and dub was produced to enhance each other. It's sad to see that Funimation released the dub on streaming services without the score, because they had a big lawsuit with Bruce Faulconer and now they're trying to not use the score after all. Meanwhile the dub fans absolutely adore the score, a shame. Keep up the good work!

[@loggames3864]

As weird as it sounds I actually prefer the Japanese music with the original English dub it’s probably because I bought the orange bricks when I was a kid and that was the default music

[@oldpoletadpole70]

It's a preference thing, really. I know plenty of people who never would've given English Z a shot with the dubscore. I think the mickey-mousing and lack of silence are really obvious flaws, and in my opinion, the Faulconer Prod. score doesn't really get good until the Buu saga. By then, they have a decent library of solid tracks and the music placement is much better.

[@freezasama5802]

That's very subjective take I grew up with the orange brick sets and I loved the japanese score with the dub I never found it weird or off-putting it was actually my first viewing of dragon ball and honestly while Faulconer peaked in a very few moments overall Kikuchi was far superior and honestly what made me love watching dbz

[@loggames3864]

⁠@@freezasama5802Kikuchi definitely is superior the orange bricks were also my first viewing of dbz

[@freezasama5802]

@@loggames3864 totally agree and any non-american would also agree since they watched the show the same way we did

[@Walshy8113]

Kai dialogue with original Z sound track (the Faulconer score) would be the ultimate version.

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

My saiyan saga video actually had the kai vo with faulconer ost

[@Made_In_Heaven88]

There was a KZbinr that was doing this years ago before Toei went full sicko mode with copyright

[@Lyy0n]

I’m sorry bro I just can NOT agree to that. Like the Kai score had the best of everything for Z. I wish the Yamamoto score could’ve been used for the android saga

[@PalindroneV2]

I much prefer Kikuchi's score.

[@PropainBringer0737]

I've been saying this for years.

[@austinabogert8482]

Need more of these. Loved both videos on this topic

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

More to come!

[@digitaladventurer2142]

Honestly the Kai version was better IMO, though largely due to the VA's having more experience and them sticking closer to the original Japanese lines

[@SuperJayain]

Definitely that soundtrack does not understand the shows tones or story beats. And there is never any silence.

[@user-ou5ls2xc7v]

Kai stomps for me. Idk if it’s even contest.

[@swastikbiswas2121]

4:30 The Ocean Dub Brian's voice acting was killed it he's voice just horrified me when I first heard that " You won't escape my wraathhhhhh"

[@calvincraig3224]

That wasn't the ocean dub though?

[@swastikbiswas2121]

@@calvincraig3224 that was

[@ceciliavaldez843]

I honestly prefer vegetas rage in (ironically) in the abridged version. The pure screaming of his anger and the fact he screamed for so long his screaming could be heard IN DIFFERENT TIMELINES. Also the fact that the face and the screaming fit perfectly with each other as the basis with his eye vains showing an all, even though its very unrealistic.

[@awsomeboy360]

Different timelines? Yeah, that's why abridge shouldn't be used for comparison at all to the official stuff.

[@ceciliavaldez843]

@awsomeboy360 I was being satire, I was just saying that the abridged vegeta scream just fits. Yeah, I know the "SCREAM SO LOUD IT CAN BE HEARD FROM DIFFERENT TIMELINE" thing is definitely a bit over exaggeration at best.

[@birbballs]

@@ceciliavaldez843”Did you hear that?” “No, I felt that”

[@loku7800]

Bitch im Adorable

[@theomnigamer9177]

They based it on the Ocean Dub. And the Ocean Dub of that scene made me gave me chills.

[@DSLego3]

Great video. Honestly, I prefer Kai's iteration more so as I grew up with it, but I can see the merit and appreciation for Z and I respect where it shines. Seeing the comparisons for this arc, I'm pretty satisfied with what I heard for both sides.

[@BlackJacked]

The highs of the original dub are a lot better than Kai, but Kai is consistently excellent

[@DIVECRAFTVODS]

Indeed

[@Meowzuzuzuzu]

I like kai, because Frieza's voice actor actually sounds good to me.

[@Lyy0n]

@@BlackJackedEhh, honestly the only argument people have for the original dub to me is the music and that’s subjective

[@RobGradyVO]

Rest in peace to the goat Chris Ayres man. Gone but never forgotten

[@JoeBug]

when frieza yells i hate you and as you put it, he throws a fit, that actually suits the character perfectly. He was given an empire from his father he has never been told no and nothing has ever been able to challenge him or what he wants. Throwing a fit when his plans are thwarted aligns with him as a character perfectly.

[@ItsJustCastro]

I grew up with the OG funimation and also the ocean dub. Kai didn’t come out until my middle school years and I hated it at first but it grew on me as got older and got into the manga

[@xblade149]

As someone who grew up with the Ocean and Funimation versions, I adored the Kai version. As it's more refined.

[@presidentc4]

​@@xblade149same. I loved it as soon as I saw it. With the acception of like 2 voice changes

[@AJPiersonToonParadise]

I prefer Kai, but probably cause I grew up watching that version on Nicktoons.

[@CHEEZEBUTTERIvI]

I’m ngl, I really wish you included Vegetas death scene. One of my favorite deaths and moments from the entire franchise, and I think Sabat is spectacular in both versions. Great video as always.

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

Man I was about to since thats one of my favorite scenes but I couldn't decide which I liked more 😭 same with a few more scenes in this saga

[@TylenArcher-c1e]

​@@KeyReviewsOfficialI (of course) Liked Kai's version more.

[@red_archive]

@@TylenArcher-c1eyeah Kai Vegeta’s whimpering delivery with “they’re all gone” is so heartbreaking to hear every time

[@mania4270]

I actually like the z version. He sounds more "alien" and came off more scary because we were anticipating him. Those rebels that ran into him really hyped him up. It just felt like they were visiting this Alien planet

[@Beck-J-Hagg]

He sounds weird to me and not threatening at all

[@mania4270]

@@Beck-J-Hagg maybe to you. But it sounds like an alien creature. Plus this WAS the Frieza voice that made the character so iconic. Go play any DBZ video games that's before 2012 and it's this freiza voice. Its like Mark Hamil and joker. Other jokers are good, even great, but that og voice is fire. I even prefer the ocean dub frieza

[@AlmightyKing143]

@@mania4270I mean you say that like the current voice for Frieza wouldn’t have been iconic. It’s only iconic because of nostalgia. I won’t say she wasn’t a good voice actress for Frieza but you can’t lie, some of those lines back then were corny and just out of place. “Pop goes the weasel” is not something that I would expect someone to say after blowing someone to smithereens but yeah.

[@mania4270]

@@AlmightyKing143 but that's not her performance, those are lines. And no lie, I hate Kai and the 04 dub. Krillin mentioning Humphrey Bogart in the garlic Jr saga was funny. Lol. But seriously I liked how her voice changed with each transformation. And again SHE SOUNDS ALIEN. also it's not nostalgia, I still watch DBZ from internet achive because I hate Kai and the current dubs on the Funimation app. So for me, this has remained frieza's voice. Also not to mention she voiced freiza in the games up until 2013. For me, I'm 31, so it's not nostalgia kid. I can clearly remember when they stopped using her voice because I was in college when Kai was airing. And I thought they were butchering it. It's ok if you like the new guy. I think he's ok, but it's obvious that it's very heavily inspired by the old school freiza voice. And I don't mind the corny lines because it fits DBZ. What I hate is how DBZ more or less doesn't have the early 2000s feel of rock anymore. But that's me, enjoy the new freiza, I'll continue to watch DBZ with the og frieza.

[@JSmoothSoul]

Y'all always find some niche reasons to like a terrible dub

[@Oweneldred-tl4we]

My name is recoom… It rhymes with doom… And you’ll be hurting all too soooooooon!

[@gamergoku9001]

I love your pure honesty on both versions. Even though Z has worse overall voice acting, it does shine at times. Kai's line deliveries more often than not dwarf the original Z Dub, but not every time. I mostly seemed to agree with Kai being better, my score reaching 7 to Kai and 5 to Z. Great video, you earned a Subscriber! :D

[@Trilliman707]

Z is better

[@shaneweasl]

@@Trilliman707Kai’s better

[@Trilliman707]

@@shaneweasl z better because of vegeta and better artstyle more proportionate

[@Ben_gamer10]

@@Trilliman707you are being biased because Kai isn’t the one you grew up with

[@immortalfrieza]

@@Trilliman707 Oh definitely original Funimation Z dub is better. They may have been inexperienced VAs back then but they put effort and passion into their performances. Now it's clear that none of the original voice actors give a crap anymore and that's reflected in their bored and wooden performances, despite their experience. Not to mention Frieza and Gohan's voice actors were far FAR better in the original Funi Dub than what we got.

[@TreFKennedy]

14:15 no Falcouner score for the Z Super Saiyan transformation??

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

Not this version. I honestly don't know where you can find the falcouner score

[@TreFKennedy]

@@KeyReviewsOfficial they’re trying to erase the Falcouner score from our memory

[@lssjgaming1599]

​@TreFKennedy even on the DVDs and Blu Rays the score placement for the Falcouner score is all messed up...for some reason.

[@tuckermitchell7869]

Feels a little unfair to compare. Funimation first started dubbing during the Freeza Saga, as Ocean did the Saiyan saga. Funimation went on later to redub the earlier episodes. It’s strange rewatching Z cause you can tell when the dub shift happened, Funimations first dub during the Freeza saga both feels they took some creative liberties for a more America audience and like they didn’t know what they’re doing quite yet. I have a Z box set and when I watch watch it the Funimation dub isn’t that bad on the earlier episodes, but when that shift to Funimations first dubbing mid Freeza arc the quality dramatically drops.

[@ethsinkoh]

just accept that kai has mostly superior dialogue and dubbing lmao

[@HarmonicDX]

Keep them coming! Android and Cell saga next? This is awesome

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

yessir already working on the script for it

[@dmann2116]

I grew up with Kai, so I'm naturally more attached to that specific dub of Z. However, nothing beats the Ocean Dub of Vegeta's rage imo

[@aurorakidd3608]

I dunno if this counts but… Dbza…

[@dmann2116]

@@aurorakidd3608 It's great, but it doesn't send chills down my spine. Hilarious nonetheless though

[@elliotsturtplus340]

You can definitely tell Sean’s delivery is a lot better in Kai when he’s serious I mean

[@ItsAnOcean98]

this video format is awesome, good video dude!

[@rolltide91011]

Idk if you realized this, but I can tell you used the Funimation redub done in like '05, where certain actors, mainly Sabat and Strait, re-recorded dialogue for future home and broadcast releases. Anytime you hear pre-Buu arc Sabat-voiced characters, or Sonny Strait's Krillin sounding more in line with their Kai and Super portrayals, it's the redub. In the original broadcast version, not only did they start off copying the Ocean actors, but their then-younger voices were naturally higher.

[@happycompy]

Yes!! Then as soon as the Frieza saga ends we go back to Sabat's original dub where Vegeta's voice is much higher and closer to Drummond's. I prefer his original dub over the redub for a lot of scenes.

[@BrianAwesome]

​​@@happycompy I hated that in retrospect. Funnymation had advertised the Orange Bricks as "definitive" , "voice consistent", and promised do redub the ENTIRE series.. Only for me to waste around $270 for those bricks, buying into FUNNYmation's propaganda 😒

[@darke216]

I grew up with both Kai on Nicktoons and the later the OG Funimation dub and I usually say that the best way to watch DBZ is by watching the Saiyan and Frieza sagas on Kai and then the Cell and Buu sagas on the OG as both have their moments in different sagas to get the best of both worlds

[@awsomeboy360]

No. Cell Arc and Buu Saga is still better in Kai. You will see in the comparison.

[@shadowrodent1509]

Bruh frieza’s not well executed “i hate you!” Line and goku’s cornily smug “Friend…” line in the dbz version made me laugh way more than I expected!

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

😂😂😂

[@darkgenics]

im pretty sure Goku said "Fiend..." not what you said.

[@red_archive]

Every time my friend and I play a DBZ game and I’m playing as Frieza I occasionally quite Linda Young’s “I COULD HAVE BEEN IMMORTAL I HATE YOUUUUU!”

[@alexnalo3324]

Also, Kai’s dialogue is closer to the manga

[@ros9764]

I feel like your editor takes the music into perspective with these scenes too much because the dub wasn't originally made for these tracks, it was made with Faulconer's music. Yes, i do know finding the original broadcast soundtrack is difficult, because versions of the dub that were sold on shelves used a different mixing of the Faulconer tracks compared to the original TV air, but i still need to point that out. Also i'd love one day for you guys to do the same but compare Z kai dub to the sub (because the Z and Z kai sub are essentially the same). In a lot of instances i love the dub but i think overall the sub wins even though both have phenomenal voice acting

[@Lunacorva]

When it comes to Vegeta's rage, NOTHING tops the abridged version.

[@happycompy]

Man... original Funi dub Z without the Faulconer music hurts to listen to in some of these scenes. Makes me appreciate that soundtrack that much more!

[@bowserbreaker2515]

I like Kai a lot more, and this saga really shows how much better it is. Kai has improved acting, OST, dialogue, and just feels more epic. Lines like "He will bleed" really makes Goku sound angry.

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

100%

[@MASKEDNEKOGT]

You should have mentioned the ocean/westwood dub version of Vegetas Rage

[@Flipitmixit]

Not even mentioning it is Crazy

[@saygoodnighttothebadguy]

​@@Flipitmixitshows you how biased he is towards Kai.

[@TomatoSauce2010]

Didn’t realize dbz Kai had most of the lines I liked I guess I changed my mind about which I prefer, but I also really vary on music..so whoever has the Faulconer score matters to me

[@wingedhussar1453]

Ovewritten overstuffed lines nobody talkjs like this

[@eliravioli]

@@wingedhussar1453 yeah because gohan talking to himself in z when he goes ssj2 is not overwritten and overstuffed

[@marcusaurelius4777]

I think that the Faulconer Z is the better one, imho. It captures enough of Goku's dumb himbo character where he's just a strong warrior guy looking to fight people, but also adds depth to his character, and emphasizes that he IS a different Saiyan than Vegeta. Vegeta is just Goku but evil, strong guy wants to get stronger by fighting people...he has a goal in that he wants power and status, but you get what I'm saying. Goku loves Earth. He loves his family. He loves his friends. Goku saying to Frieza that he's a "light in the darkness" and all that is so fitting because he's evolved. He's grown. He's become something more. He wants to fight evil like Frieza because he knows that he must, because his friends, family, and home will be threatened...the fact that Frieza is one tough MF is also a bonus, but I feel that by Namek, Goku's character has seen enough, lived enough, experienced enough...to not just be "strong guy wanting to get stronger" anymore. It dumbs his character down so much, which I think the JP and Kai dubs just don't understand. Yes, I know, Toriama blah blah blah manga blah blah blah...but we are talking about the same dude that wanted to END the series after the Cell Saga and was forced to continue it against his will basically, and the dude who LITERALLY FORGOT SOME CHARACTERS existed like Launch lmfao. Forgive me for not being a "purist" if the author himself forgets and retcons shit on the regular. I think that this is okay. Goku IS a protector of the innocent, his FRIENDS and FAMILY and HOME (because you know, it's where he LIVES lol) not because he WANTS to but because he MUST and CONVENIENTLY it ALSO gives him strong dudes to fight, scratching that itch to get stronger and fight strong opponents. Goku is a RELUCTANT HERO. He's not a hero because he WISHES to be, it's because he MUST because there's no one else fitting for the job. Vegeta sure as shit won't do it, until after the Buu saga, and Gohan doesn't want to do it either. He wants to live a regular life. "Hero goku" is shunned by a lot in the community and think this is hammy and not like Goku but I think they are wrong. Goku has always loved his friends and family. Isn't that enough to motivate him to fight evil not because he wishes to, but because he must? Isn't that HEROIC?

[@Lyy0n]

Even if the author forgets stuff, I don’t think that negates his intentions for the characters

[@WusigiDr1]

I can see both for sure. I love the speech he gives frieza. I know dub went with a more heroic outlook for him and I feel like he can be both. Why not fight for his family friends and planet but also want to push himself as well as a fighter. I prefer faulconer personally as it is what I grew up watching. And yes toriyama forgets things but to be fair he goes with writing where he does things and is able to wrap them up later down the line. Sometimes well and sometimes not but it is very interesting that he goes about it that way and can more often then not do it well. At least imo. I’m going to watch kais blue rays for the first time this yea with a friend who hasn’t seen dragonball so I’m excited for that!

[@immortalfrieza]

Yeah. Goku in the original Funi dub is quite a bit more heroic than the Japanese or Kai dubs. He sounds like someone who is actually worth rooting for, instead of this battle obsessed jackass he is in the other dubs, which is only taken to extremes in Super.

[@GeteMachine]

@@immortalfrieza I agree. I actually cant really stand Super Goku, because he seems like an exaggeration of what they interpreted from Toriyama, but Toriyama himself seems to forget when he actually did make Goku Heroic. Like when he tells Freeza he is there to avenge the Saiyans and Namekians he killed. Super Goku just has nothing to root for him on because he doesn't really stand for anything. He doesnt need to be Superman (ironically who isnt all that heroic these days) but Super Goku is just an annoying Luffy knock off now. Where he is really dub and doesnt really care about anything. Dub Goku was at least easy to root for him because we agreed with his side of the conflict. You wanted him to win because of what he was fighting for. There isnt really much of a reason to root for modern Goku. He's so flanderized in the other direction I just don't find him likable.

[@immortalfrieza]

@@GeteMachine Hell, the original japanese version of Goku through Dragonball to Z was far more heroic and far less of an idiot than Super Goku is. Toriyama with Super took Goku's worst aspects and dialed them up to 11 while massively downplaying Goku's positive aspects.

[@BradLad56]

Looking forward to the Android/Cell comparison.

[@link1565V2]

With your constant references to the OST, did you use the Falconer score for these comparisons? Because watching the original Z Dub without the Falconer score is like eating an Oreo without filling.

[@Lyy0n]

Eh, I think the Kai score still wins

[@link1565V2]

@@Lyy0n it's obviously subjective and not saying you're wrong if you prefer Kai. But to me the music used in Dragon Ball from Kai onwards is, for the most part, overly kiddy.

[@cerebralassassin2185]

​@@link1565V2you can really notice it in the movies

[@onesaucynougat7471]

@@link1565V2Kai’s score is way better imo. One of the best comparisons imo is piccolos death in the saiyan saga. In Z it’s super out of tone, but the Kai score makes the scene way more emotional.

[@elae4051]

The only point the old dub has for the "I Am" speech is that the video games starting with Budokai initially kept it...until they gradually started swapping it out for the original speech, as if in real time Funimation was learning what DB was actually about. Which makes the moment Sean actually says "I am the Super Saiyan, SON Goku" better. Tldr: they fucked that first attempt up so bad only to gradually realize their mistake and then fix it.

[@charlesmaclellan8124]

As someone who grew up with the actual original English Dub, Ocean dub, then Funimation, and then years later Kai, I much prefer Kai. Better voice acting and overall better voice actors in Kai

[@Marcelo_DBZ_Music]

Lmao wait what, why is there Faulconer music playing in the Kai version?

[@rvmjovi2170]

I don’t know if anyone else remembers. And it probably is better to use this version. But the original Z dub was redone several times. Because Chris was 100% trying to do a Brian Drummond impression even all the way up to Majin Vegeta. I think the scenes being used or when they went back and re-dubbed some of them.

[@shenron7x]

I also want to add that all the vegeta scenes in the DBZ version you have aren't from the original 1999 broadcast. They're from the redubbed orange season 3 releases from post-2003. So that's not the version people grew up with and first heard airing on TV. In the original broadcast, vegeta's modern voice actor Chris Sabat sounded goofy, and tries to do an impression of Bryan Drummond, who was the original English voice for Vegeta from the Ocean Dub group that FUNimation outsources to dub DBZ for them till the decided it'd be cheaper to have their own inhouse crew dub the show.

[@BrianAwesome]

Facts

[@stefanhamilton3669]

The one line I wish they kept in kai fro. The original was when ssj Goku said , No more No more , now you should know the horror Freeeeezzzaaaaaaaaa

[@josephdarkpride8344]

You know, before watching this video even tho i liked kai more, the older fanboys had me thinking z was better cuz they were so nostalgic over it. But this video made me feel more comfortable for prefering kai. It really does enrich a lot of what the original dub put out.

[@EclipseEuclid]

Ain't no way you brought up the Cell Senzu Bean bro.

[@saygoodnighttothebadguy]

Dude is super biased

[@Zilch93]

Vegeta Screaming Chasing after Gohan in the Ocean Dub is the best lol 😂😂😂

[@SuperJayain]

It's the worst that faulconer music don't even acknowledge it. Made up crap that misses the story beats and tones of the show. No silence when the music is playing. Not sure what's worse fans of that dub, the music or the voice acting.

[@Zilch93]

@SuperJayain i just find Vegeta voice hilarious 😂 In this dub

[@AaronRuperto]

Just waiting for you to do the Android/Cell Sagas

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

The script is almost done haha

[@AndersonWave17]

Lets be fair. Nothing will ever compare to the Bruce Falconer soundtrack. It is unparalleled scoring.

[@onesaucynougat7471]

Nah that’s more a personal thing. I think the Falconer track is made overrated and the Kai score is way better.

[@Requiem8040]

Kenjis music was dope plagiarism aside Kikuchi is just fucking garbage

[@FamilyGuyRoks6]

first comparison you mention the introduction being more in your face for the Z dub but you have to remember that we learn about Freeza's existence during one of the short filler arcswith all of he orphaed children on their ship. the way they react to krillin, gohan, and bulma shows just how ruthless Freeza was when it came to thoe he felt were vastly inferior. the introduction on Z, therefore validates all the things we hear about him and informs us as to what he is like

[@fidelgames]

More of these dub comparison pls these are really nice.

[@TRBDemiii]

Glad i grew up with both. I used to watch Z with my older cousins and uncle when i was a kid. Then kai kept those moments alive. Not even recognizing the dialogue switch at the time, made it seem better than we remembered.

[@A.C.E.]

I started with Kai myself, and for the most part I do prefer it. But the original Z Funimation Buu saga is better imo. Cell saga I flip back and forth somewhat. Cool to see someone else's opinion on this too

[@awsomeboy360]

Kai is still better in the Majin Buu Saga. But Z is much closer for Majin Buu Saga because of production increase as well as the actors were giving more time.

[@jym2r]

Agreed. In the original Z dub Majin Vegeta’s speeches along with the faulconer soundtrack in the back is just perfect. It’s the only saga where I confidently believe it’s better than Kai. Cell arc I’m don’t really favour either one and Namek saga Kai is much better.

[@BiggestSniff]

Kai original run is great, and better than any other english dub. However final chapters writing is questionable, where i would call it even with the og dub

[@aprettyfunnyperson4516]

I think they dropped the ball with Buu. I can’t name a single scene I outright prefer in Kai to OG Z there, with Vegeta’s Sacrifice being tied between them. Kai’s Frieza saga blows the OG out of the water though

[@johnraymondpajigal]

ginyu force audio in original is really good. those violins are killin' it. Kai's version turned it into a band.

[@gregorypasciuto3710]

I like this! Your math is off but other than that, this is good

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

It's an editing mistake

[@lxfj2128]

Kai dub is better in everything apart from the buu arc

[@Shell-iq6cx]

Kai has the advantage of coming out after the Z anime and manga were both finished, plus 20 years of hindsight. It would be bad if it wasn't the definitive dub 90% of the time

[@soopahcaboose]

I think we can all agree that Kai did wonders for the Sayain and Frieza saga. I have a few gripes about the android and buu saga. Mostly music choice but that was apparently because it was poorly cobbled together.

[@Nightreavarr]

big green dub. always big green dub. no contest.

[@sytycdt]

The Original Z cooked with a Lot of Vegeta's moments especially in the Android and Buu Saga but overall I prefer Kai

[@vhamer123]

For the most part, Kai just blew the old dub waaaay out of the water with the enhanced dialogue and BALLER voice acting, but at the same time, it’s hard to say as some scenes in Z just can’t be touched imho and then the same for Kai, the atmosphere and enhanced dialogue of the scene right after goku gives Freiza his energy, the shot of Freiza rotating around goku taunting him that he basically has no chance of getting off namek before it explodes, the determined look on his face throughout, the final side eyed look he gives Freiza before he begins to fly away, the physics of gokus hair in the scene, it’s just AMAZING and EPIC. As for Z, the final beam struggle between gohan and cell is just TOO powerful with all of the faulcouner tracks that play, from the bits of the super sayian theme played when gohan charges up the kamehameha, to the anrgy trunks theme that plays when gohan starts to doubt himself, and finally the dragon theme that plays when all the Z fighters come together to help gohan as he finally overwhelms and obliterates cell completely. It’s just too powerful imho.

[@saygoodnighttothebadguy]

Now this here, is truly unbiased.

[@maldito214]

Just rewatched all of dragon ball z and super and I forgot there was kai close to the end of z but I honestly am glad I watched z I liked it a bit more

[@awsomeboy360]

You should do that for every cannon arc. And Dbz Kai destroys DBZ in EVERY ARC. YES, INCLUDING Majin Buu. WHile Dbz improves by then. Kai still beats it in dialogue and overall acting.

[@cerebralassassin2185]

The dialogue is debatable in which one is better and the falconer dub had way better music.

[@awsomeboy360]

@@cerebralassassin2185 Its not debatable. Kai still has better dialogue.

[@onesaucynougat7471]

@@cerebralassassin2185Kai music is better tbh

[@gladecornelius]

Vegeta's monologue in the original when he was dying was more emotional and crazy good. In Kai it was kind of dull. That alone made the original better.

[@fragilis_mal3485]

Although I got used to the Z dub during my childhood now I find the 'I am" speech biased and hilarious at the same time 😅. The Kai speech which is closer to the original is Dope

[@DarkStarFox]

Let’s be honest: the BEST dub for when Vegeta realizes Gohan tricked him is DBZ Abridged.

[@AJPiersonToonParadise]

4:58 Not gonna lie, Vegeta's scream in Kai made me laugh for some reason.

[@trentonwilliams5940]

I grew up with Z never getting the chance to watch Z Kai because i couldn't find it anywhere but now that i am grown and own both both Z and Z Kai on Blueray I have to say that Z Kai in most ways it much better to me with line delivory,voice acting and just better overall auido and sounds in the background sicking out to me more. To me this point really shines in the Namek and Frieza Sagas. After watching Z Kai its hard for me to go back and watch Z for the Namek Saga I would only go back adn watch the fight with Frieza if i were to watch anything but Kai to me still is a better watch for me in that regard. So i have to say Z Kai is just better for me.

[@kd0334]

Oh yeah we definitely need z vs Kai for the rest of the sagas cause this was fire 🔥🔥

[@Otaku__Guy]

Kai just shows how much they improved and got settled into their characters and its cool to see

[@epj-nfnty7864]

Its crazy that i remember scenes from both even tho ive only ever seen the dvd movie version

[@azimuddin1890]

(20:57) I personally disagree, because it’s Vegeta, and I mean early Z Vegeta, not end of Boo Saga Vegeta.

[@youngcnyce]

Personally prefer Z and Z's Frieza alot more than Kai. Its interesting you chose that Z clip of Vegeta rage with the dragon ball and not the ocean dub version (Brian Drummond) which was alot better than Kai

[@snake_eater1963]

its because the video is about the american dub

[@GojiBoiEarth1964]

Imo Sean improved as Goku in Kai compared to how he sounded in Z. In Z, you can really tell that this was one of his first roles as a VA (bro sounded like Frieza spilled his glass of milk). In Kai, he sounded really pissed off (especially in scenes such as when Goku almost broke Frieza’s hand or where Frieza mentions Krillin). Say what you want about Kai, but you can obviously tell how much the Funi cast have improved compared to Z.

[@Ace_of_Horns]

I think nearly all of the kai dub changes, until the buu saga were for the better to be honest. The buu saga i was totally 50/50 on.

[@Ace_of_Horns]

@Napolii_69 yeah i agree

[@joshperkins5974]

Why do I get the feeling this is gonna be some bias bs just from the thumbnail.

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

The thumbnail was just a joke at the i am speech. I tried to be unbiased as possible

[@CoreyHall-c1x]

Your intuition was not wrong

[@jasontoddler7680]

It wasn't really bias. Except I think the Ginyu bit was ridiculous. The song made me cringe and laugh out loud. I could easily pick Z's version over that.

[@calvincraig3224]

Definitely biased, like all who chose Kia over z

[@red_archive]

@@calvincraig3224how is it biased if he’s providing valid reasoning as to why he likes Kai over Z at certain areas? He’s even complimenting the original dub for its efforts and labels Z the pioneer of the iconic SSJ scene (which Kai will never have the title of since it’s a redub)

[@gabrielbastens625]

I personally have to go for dbz on the ginyu introduction. Jeice's voice actor just NEEDS to be aussie

[@swastikbiswas2121]

I liked Jiece's Australian accent 😂

[@ヤウニキャメロン]

I'd say the abridged did the best job at Vegeta's and about the dragon ball even though it wasn't realistic

[@goldhound4389]

Watching dbz kai as it was coming out episode by episode was the good old days

[@SidetrackTV22]

“Ally to good. Nightmare to you!” Literal chills, can’t be beat. But Sean’s voice and screams are by far superior to OG DBZ hands down

[@benslaughter8678]

A lot of Kai's dialogue is actually decent, but the voice actors talking/yelling were just over the top, imo. Moments like, "Krillin can't be brought back with the dragonballs" were intense and desperate, but that and scenes like it sounded a bit whiny, at least compared to the original dub.

[@bladysante2903]

Kai absolutely clears over Z. Better visuals, dialogue and even music. People love the Faulconer score but personally I don't see what so special about and Kai's music, as generic as it sounds compared to Z, it still works to elevate the scene.

[@fabeaux8623]

What song is at 21:04?

[@XpathTheChojiro]

Gohan: Yes. Its a watch. It tells time. And nothing else.

[@Mr.Dealor]

Im glad I grew up with Dragonball Z Kai

[@KeyReviewsOfficial]

i grew up with kai too

[@cnsayin8847]

I actually grew up with both versions, but I prefer kai for a lot of reasons, the voice acting being the biggest.

[@tundrauzumaki]

I grew up watching both lol

[@odshadow2961]

Kai, i don't like the Z version, making Goku look like Superman, that's not who Goku is

[@orlandoacosta2631]

People who say z is better than kai are just a bunch of nostalgic americans who havent read the manga or seen the sub. I like watching the old dub from time to time for nostalgia, but objectively speaking its a pretty bad dub

[@Cutthroatrah]

We don’t want to read the mango. If we’re nostalgic, what does that make y’all?

[@orlandoacosta2631]

@@Cutthroatrah lol, a lot of us grew up with the old dub and read the manga later, so nostalgia doesnt apply. The manga is the real DBZ and doesn't have dumbed down dialogue like the z dub. You all literally just argue that it's better cuz you grew up with it and the faulconer score, which is why you are blinded by nostalgia.

[@franklinikechukwu]

Thanks for the comparisons 👍👍, I watched z for some years but I will give kai a chance. I haven't watched it tho but I would love to thanks to you

[@drawzytv]

Alr no Z nostalgia getting in the way. Can we all agree ginyu force entrance in kai was the greatest thing know to man

[@c0npl3xOP]

Bro I heard king Kai say “wHat is yUO lOse” made burst out laughing

[@Gyaddamball]

10:38 this goes so hard. The other one sounds like some dbza scene

[@foobee_fbe3801]

i'm sorry but dragon ball z version without bruce music isn't Z. the comparison here just isn't fair.

[@PatrickStar-uf1oh]

I like the z music during the ginyu intro more than the one in Kai