This Masters Player Can't Stop Going 8th - Uncapped TFT Coaching

[@shrikarneredimelli9848]

Thinking of brotherman shurkou

[@AceElla]

I smell you brotherman

[@kevin55442]

I got recommended this video right after watching one of shurkou's, this is why?

[@tinblaha3672]

Ahh, mustard

[@mora1faqq]

i went insane like a baus

[@Omycrome]

Am i insane? It was recommended to me as well, maybe i consume too much mustard brothermen

[@ivankok4724]

This is a very good learning series. So many of my games look like this. Greeding items, not scouting, playing HS units for too long, and not optimizing team comp/headliner are some of the biggest mistakes in this game. The level 9 greed was pretty smart actually, but lost too much HP with no combat augments.

[@willscubingchannel3062]

What is HS?

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

The discussion about how to play stage 2 in the first 12 minutes is great. I'm also new to being masters and around the same lp, but would have played that stage quite a bit differently, likely with plenty of my own mistakes, but different ones. There were multiple times in this video where I paused and considered a decision which helped me decide on something I likely wouldn't have in game (whether optimal or not). It's definitely interesting seeing reviews of other players around my rating with different weaknesses than myself. Some of the commentary backed up what I would have done, while other parts didn't. Also, the question about what the purpose of greeding around 20 min in is great; that's something I think I suffer more from that the person being reviewed. I would have made the same decision not to roll on 4-1 they did, but understand why it's wrong (at least without lobby knowledge). When I paused and made that decision, I wasn't even thinking about level 9... I just didn't consider how much damage that decision could make to the board and hp total compared to rolling 1 round later with only a few more gold. I think later game decisions like that are definitely one of my greater leaks. I think my decision-making there is much worse than either yours or the player being reviewed. I've definitely noticed a tempo difference so far in masters, but hadn't been punished for that sort of greed before. I can't imagine playing the Akali sell at 22 min myself, but when I paused there just couldn't decide if it was reasonable... they have a lot of hp, but I'd prefer a pretty guaranteed good placement myself. It just looked like it was way too big a sacrifice for my playstyle. I had plenty of other thoughts while watching, but they were more specific to my own gameplay and likely errors. Thanks for starting this series; I think it's very helpful to see reviews of both comparable and better players than ourselves.

[@zephyr7347]

How did he reach master without scouting

[@typejanina]

Your frustration was very felt especially in the late game haha! Great video!

[@seanbastow4601]

Not taking that Senna at 2-5 is just shockingly bad. There are 0 downsides to taking it You've got shojin components and true damage is active straight away with Kennen already in.

[@FortWhenTeaThyme]

Headliners definitely seems like their biggest weakness after selling a Poppy for Thresh in a Jazz board. I'm pretty bad with headliners myself, as I haven't played a set before this one that had them.

[@sosik7547]

could've shojin as superfan item

[@WilliamAndrews0]

I don't think I've ever seen someone play so greedy, and then also be so bad at pivoting (for this ELO). You have to know your own strengths and weaknesses as a player! If you know that pivoting into a level 9 board isn't your strong suite, don't greed for a level 9. I personally know I'm relatively bad at pivoting good lvl 9 boards, but I usually have good early-games and decent level 8 boards, so I choose my augments accordingly. I want to either win early hard and then bleed into top4 or I play for a fast8 board and get a top2-3. My Double-up mate is an amazing level 9 player, and he knows how to pivot from almost any board with almost any shop-rolls, so he's playing a lot more greedy and with way more focus on econ. Usually that means he goes either 7/8 or 1/2, whereas I usually place more in the 3-6 range. In the end we climb relatively evenly, so I wouldn't say one strategy is stronger than the other, but if I played his strategy or he played mine, we'd both lose a lot of LP. Obviously, if you want to play tournaments and place first, you need to take more risks, but for regular climbing playing safer may be better suited to your playstyle.

[@dph9220]

if u grind 4-5 games/day u will eventually hit master but with dog elo

[@MiloshRistanovich]

man, this looks exactly like my game, and i even wanted to submit but i guess no need, it's literally the same mistakes i make, and it's so great to watch and learn. thank you Frodan

[@notjqn]

I feel attacked by the title of the video 😂

[@user-kc9ic8uk2v]

Holy fuck that lvl 8 and.9 rolldown was the craziest thing i ever witnessed. I am 450lp above this guy but holy shit, why is he picking up a thresh headliner at 9 and rolling pass emo poppy chosen, zac, and zed lol. Brutal watch

[@Rellowallo]

What crazy for me is he is not rolling at level 8 with that much gold

[@strix3055]

While the early game wasn't perfect, everything up to lvl 9 worked out and had some really smart plays. This player was in a strong spot, but the roll down at level 9 was horrible, no offense. If you can clean that up (strong board, pivot out of Heartsteel, recognize dmg/tank needs and actually utulise the headliner lol), you can easily go top4 and climb.

[@dthlight]

It gave me psychic damage. So many units missed that could easily get him to top 2.

[@umdoxx7097]

@@dthlight ngl I’m a diamond shitter, and it’s ok to not have the most confidence/knowledge in the AD flex lines, but like Damn, It felt like getting punched in the stomach on loop with that poppy sell into thresh buy, into one of the worst roll downs I’ve seen. I was thinking that at the very least with the knowledge of rushing 9 and hitting poppy mosher he was thinking about 4 mosher with yorick which he hits, losing some jazz strength for pretty strong frontline , but no just pain

[@chubzies7113]

so we are still not rolling

[@nuzthemonkey]

saw this video right after going 7th at masters 0 LP. it's a sign, it's time to improve

[@nezyth8764]

Hello frodan, i wanna ask, how do i decide what comp to play?, what do i need to look for?, because thats my problem sometime i get confused on what comps to play, so can you give some tips greatly apreciated

[@Nothingnowhere909]

Man was in such a good place to go first. I think the first two augment choices were good and young wild and free from that spot is so sick. I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t hard roll down to maintain hp at 8 and pick another Econ augment.

[@cygnus__]

The crazy thing is the greed would have been fine, but he failed to put together a good lvl 9 board - chosen Thresh should be a last resort, not something you keep in while you roll down 50+ gold

[@dthlight]

actually the last augment choice was sooo sick and really not a play most people would go for. He was super rich lvl 9 but yeah he missed the rolldown pretty bad

[@Starguardianbard]

The balanced budget choice was actually really good in the end, Frodan even said the greed paid off massively for it since he was still healthy, level 9, and a ton of gold. His issue is that he has no clue which units are actually good outside of knowing to click 5 cost units lol. Passing up on emo Poppy, EDM Zed, Crowd Diver Zed, or Bruiser Zac, etc for chosen are obvious but he also just didn't prioritize the Zed or Zac whatsoever which makes know sense. You already have an Illaoi **why** would you play around 4 guardian instead of picking up those Zacs and playing around 4 bruiser for your frontline?

[@oworex497]

didnt watch the full vid but the early game and level 9 rolldown gave my eye cancer perfect headliner swap from jinx to senna level 9 - dude skipped 3 jhins 3 sonas and 3 ziggs which if he grabbed those its a free 1st place

[@oworex497]

and for the first augment, choosing spoils of war over shopping spree, stationary support (or radiant gloves) is just insane

[@angkuhpride1642]

this is amazing, i have a suggestion, why dont we make it shorter? thank you for ur video!

[@hueyyang10]

I dont understand how people get to masters playing this greedy. There was no tft 101 rules used here. No scouting, no combat augment. No board upgrade. I understand his play of trying to fast 9 into a 5 cost board but oof. That was a top 4 easy.

[@pokemahan]

Rolldown at level 9 with Ez 1 and passing by multiple Jihns is criminal. Imo it’s time to just skip Ez and go straight to fully itemized Jihn 2.

[@justinjohnson769]

Scouting is an area where I really struggle. I will scout and gain very little information other than what comps are contested. What is a good way to get better at evaluating board strength when scouting. What are some other things that we should be looking for when scouting? Or positioning tips when facing 3-4 possible boards.

[@VortexMagus]

The most important information you can get when you scout is where to put your fattest tank. You want their carry caught on your fattest, most itemized tank, so you want to place your tank where it will get hit first or second by the carry. Usually a ranged carry is in a corner of the board and a melee carry is on the edge of the board, so knowing which side to put your tank on to catch carry aggro is important. --- Another important thing that scouting helps with is identifying how weak your board is relative to other boards. This guy greeded way too hard because he didn't have a good sense of how strong his board was relative to everyone else. He lost two big win streaks that were salvageable if he had spent more on his board and slammed another item or two. He also kept thresh as his headliner which I think was a large mistake since his frontline was reasonably solid already and if he had scouted, he likely would have realized he really needed another carry aside from ez.

[@amvnumber1018]

holy shit i thought i was greedy player

[@mr.arocenastech]

That choice of prismatic augments is tough. I don't think you could go wrong with any of them depending on your long term game plan. I would have gone Shopping Spree or Spoils for that lv8 roll down with a tonne of gold (or early lv8 roll down with the econ advantage). I've done the 2-5 switch to a 2-cost headliner before (provided the 2-cost headliner is the same as my current one, so like a tank for a tank or dps for a dps) and it's helped keep my win streak alive through stage 2 and part of stage 3. The no roll down at lv8 and being relatively healthy was really surprising. Could have easily gone into a 7-KDA Ahri+Akali board to get through stages 4 and 5 and then go lv9 when people have died. I really appreciated the analysis for this game as I'm at the same level (Masters 150ish LP) and this helped me identify what I need to do to get better.

[@FloodSnow]

Makes me feel better knowing even masters players can tank a game. There's hope for me.

[@catfishpoptart8895]

Lmao I tank games all the time, masters arent as good as people think they are.

[@phrg7262]

We're not perfect lol. I've fumbled stupidly good angles like you wouldn't believe it.

[@vastnumber]

Anyone can hit masters brother, and everyone has to go 8th every once in awhile

[@AnotherGeekOnTheWall]

@@catfishpoptart8895 I assume you're higher rated than I, but as a masters player I recognize I tank almost every game I bot 5 (and some where I do better). I play other games as well, so I'll only slowly get better at this game unfortunately. Any decent player at almost any tough game needs to realize they suck before being able to get good. I think TFT may be difficult enough that we all suck, tough I am not experienced enough to say that yet. All I can say so far is that I suck and it's a fun game.

[@DaRocketGuy]

Challanger players go 8th, if you're in a tft lobby with the best of the best players, someone's going 8th. Don't let that discourage you

[@NatineCruks]

Ty, I really like this serie, please analyse more games, I learned a lot ❤

[@bobcorn6502]

You give great feedback without being mean, which is great for this series. Although I do want to see soju demolish someone’s game

[@kimalfonso]

Rolling with thresh really is detrimental

[@cuneytunsal5422]

This dude literally shows you how bad the game really is right now. If you said this was a gold-plat elo player I would believe it. But im not really surprised this guy is masters, since headliner mechanic is just gambling. Basically every game u level up 8 (sometimes 9 but usually its a throw) , roll down and pray to hit ezreal chosen in 2 3 rolls for top2. If you can hit it under 10 rolls you go top4, otherwise you go 8th. Remember, every lobby has 2 3 ezreal players. Anyways, if you repeat this process long enough you can be in masters too. Ggs guys, best set ever. Im pretty sure that this guy forced ahri everygame when the set first started, then tf, then karthus now ezreal. You change the champs when nerfs/buffs come in but the gameplay is always the same: Level to 8 -> roll. You only need to know which comp to force. Which you dont even have to memorise since there are lots of websites to tell you which comp is op right now. By the way, you dont have to level to 8 every game but other route is more rng dependant. Even more rng dependant than first one I mean 😂. You can get 3 stars 1 cost units like olaf, jinx, annie at 2-1 because, guess what, headliner mechanic. That also lets you climb masters easily too. If you hit at 3-1 you can go top4, otherwise you go 8th. Same with 2 and 3 costs. With 2 costs, if you get it 3 starred 3-1 top2, 4-1 top 4, otherwise 8th. With 3 costs, 4-1 top2, 5-1 top4, otherwise ff. I was masters around 100lp but stopped playing ranked. I cant dude.

[@Igorex2930]

Isn't that Edgelord Riven in shop at 3-2 just straight up better? IE + superfan item, titan's resolve with bow and chainmail. Also duplicator for reroll.

[@Nothingnowhere909]

Or the senna head liner plus urgot to maintain streak? Homie is auto piloting

[@cuneytunsal5422]

Bro played first headliner he saw got 9lvl with almost 100 hp into 5th stage then he managed 8th. If he hit ezreal headliner im sure hed be top2 atleast. Imagine how bad this set is that this guys gets masters 100lp without knowing how to play the game. Dude literally doesnt know what headliner to pick with 60 gold roll at level 9. Anyways this set is almost over ffs.

[@JerGonz]

not hating, but this type of play won't get pass emerald in our region.

[@cnguyen0831]

thank u for doing this series! 🐐

[@rvaldooooo]

Is the meta in tournament and ranked mode different or the gameplay?

[@zetscaf5511]

Wow, a video exactly targeted towards me.

[@Nothingnowhere909]

Man idk how this guy is a higher rank than me

[@justinjohnson769]

19:28 I do this all of the time. I will go fast 8 and forget to roll. It is something with the combination of picking the augment at the same time, as well as in most situations you are ether leveling or rolling. A fast level 8 roll down feels unnatural to low elo players like myself.

[@yeonwoosvt3130]

frodan is probs the nicest guy out there lmao, my king

[@brunoamado221]

Saw the title thought it was about me after dropping 200 lp in masters

[@dev1lykt14]

It happens) I dropped from 580 to 150 climbed to 500 dropped to 300 and now at 680.

[@reimonpangan8637]

Tbf, i think the player heeded Frodan's feedback, already at 400LP with 3.3 avg rank and 16 top4s

[@thatguy5233]

as a master myself, this is exactly how i imagined other masters play. there is 3+ heartsteel players every game. is heartsteel really the way to play with spoils of war? also he has 3 econ augments and the only thing it did for him is sit on lvl 9. + imo if he truly wants to hit GM/challanger he should learn what augments are actually good on hs and check all the hs variations, coz he missed quite a few good units. no hate tho, everyone has bad games sometimes. i respect the courage to show your 8th where you clearly didn't lowroll, happens to all of us mortals (coz no one will convince me this was a lowroll game. he had amazing opening and augment choices and hit many good headliners which he just refused to take)

[@iksnirkS]

gotta commit to your decisions, even if you made the wrong decision. if you greeded for too long, then greed it all the way. you can’t pick the first mediocre chosen

[@A79-s5p]

The lv9 rolls starting from neutrals are not emphasized enough. buying thresh chosen with 50 gold left at lv9, not holding units like zac… Looks like he’s literally rolling for nothing and just spending the gold. Watch any high challenger player rolldown then you’ll learn how they holds much more units.

[@teemimika7105]

Hardforcing heartsteel while having zero combat augment, not rolling nor hitting champion that he wanted just spiralling him to 8

[@aram69420]

one of the biggest grief this game was not to slam LW on Jinx in the early stages since he wasn't going for Senna anyway. Jinx doesn't need IE that bad

[@Jace9IX]

Played super greedy all game kept 5 Hsteel in after the Jazz tech and played thresh headliner and was safe?? So greedy in every decision except the one that payed off their greed interesting depiction tho

[@shins0ub0y]

11:45 They changed streak gold to be +2 only for 5 streak iirc.

[@OutstandinglySteve]

Didn't know Scrooge McDuck played TFT

[@pedromoura8806]

this video is attacking me personaly

[@whatupcuh6722]

ive never even thought of these things, you make me wanna hop on now but ill probs go 8th and not know what im doing xD

[@marcos.a1005]

I'm just as greedy as this guy and also mainly play heartsteel, and also a masters player. I understood all the choices until that absolutely scuffed level 9 rolldown. It's either fast 10 from there because you commited so hard, or actually buy good units, I can't understand rolling while having thresh as ur headliner... I understand the greed, because your going for insane late game, but then if this is your late game, then idek

[@cuneytunsal5422]

When they remove headliner mechanic from the game next set all of the heartsteel players go back to plat where they belong 😂

[@marcos.a1005]

yea if u cant play other comps then ur cooked fs@@cuneytunsal5422

[@floriankubiak7313]

The thing I learned from this: even in Master tier, people don't scout.

[@Lesterberne]

That IE slam was horrendous imo

[@intingpillow590]

I dont think I've ever seen anyone play this greedy. Dont get why he was clinging to the Thresh headliner

[@johnhulleza2870]

He got so many better potential headliners but chose the thresh.

[@kaanercan1774]

I am having really a bad time watching this player, it amazes me in many ways that this is actually a master player

[@taylorgriego6357]

Great video.

[@sadi8251]

They changed the interest rate

[@Rare_K_]

My man just skipped 20 zeds & zacs while playing level 1 heartsteel units. => 8th

[@JLoo_]

I see this right after going 8 8 to 0LP

[@minatoarisato7234]

i would like to watch a live coaching

[@jrsmiththegoat3012]

Think the thing holding me back is watching too much soju XD

[@omegaminus2866]

He fast 9'd and went 8th

[@frankli4944]

I think the early game was ok, the superfan guinsoo on jinx is not much worse than senna early game. Prob should level for urgot there. It’s for sure a top 4 if he took a combat augment last augment and just rolled to stabilize on 8 and then go 9. And selling that chosen poppy for thresh was such a grief. Having 3 Econ augments and ezreal solo carry is kinda troll

[@dthlight]

yea but senna as a unit keeps his streak going and even if jinx is okay in the first round it easily falls off specially if you don't slam items. Senna gets stronger just with superfan item and true damage active. It was definitely a miss play but you're right it didn't cost him the match. What costed them the game was the awful rolldown on lvl 9, god they missed so many possible two star units i cried.

[@Lesterberne]

He slammed an IE on jinx and didnt slam anything useful to preserve the streak after aggressively leveling 😂 the early game didn’t make sense at all actually

[@tackywacky99]

Seems like he just played the early game on autopilot.

[@eonesigasaga2346]

Ty

[@cmkiller5032]

deserved eif

[@xBeatzyTFT]

One of us

[@daakufureimumastah1732]

how is this guy masters lowk

[@haleygoeswhoohoo]

this dude whom hes coaching is a pepaga LOL

[@EchoShockTFT]

First

[@derpderp1562]

I like this series a lot, but I’m worried about the comment section just shitting on the person who was vulnerable enough to submit this and try to improve. Please be kind to everyone on their LP journey 🙏