From Rorschach Test to Time Clock: The Zapruder Film

Author and journalist Max Holland traced the tangled history of the most famous yet misunderstood piece of evidence from the assassination of President John F. Kennedy: the 26.6 second long film made by Dallas businessman Abraham Zapruder.
The opinions and viewpoints expressed here are those of the presenter(s), not The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza.
Note: The question-and-answer portion of this program has been edited for time.
This presentation took place at the Museum on May 7, 2015. To see related films, photos, documents and oral histories from The Sixth Floor Museum's collection, visit our online collections database (emuseum.jfk.org). Or make a research appointment to explore the books, DVDs and other materials available in the Museum's Reading Room (www.jfk.org/go/reading-room).

[@chipandsimba]

There is a museum for where nothing occurred.

[@johncostello3174]

'The museum of nothing". that would be an interesting visit.

[@davidrusso1280]

The thing that really trips me up: Everyone I listen to sounds reasonable in that moment. Then I hear the other side and they sound reasonable. I would love to see a debate on each point of contention, where the "evidence" offered by each side is examined and affirmed or debunked.

[@williamtotherow3367]

look up America's untold stories. Start with Did LBJ kill JFK

[@gravitypronepart2201]

Conspiracy theorists never agree to debate, because they know they will be exposed as the baboons they are.

[@billkeon880]

Vast, vast majority of conspiracy buffs (like I was for 30 years until 2017) have never read a single counter conspiracy book, therefore the media-sphere is filled with those points un-rebutted. I have owned and read dozens of conspiracy books and that view was reinforced by Stone’s movie and other documentaries. What people really need to do is read the Warren report or HSCA report cover to cover. The random, undeserved dismissal of official investigations (Warren, Dallas police, autopsy, FBI etc) is done with no evidence and no logical backing…just with suspicion. Just because the CIA and fbi had done dirty tricks in the past, doesn’t mean they did in this case, and no evidence of this is given by conspiracists…only suspicion. When I believed in conspiracy I thought Oliver Stone wouldn’t lie because it would be so easy to fact check him (yet I never did) and so damaging to the ‘cause’. The official fact based version of events can be found in 3 main sources…Warren, HSCA and Bugliosi’s brilliant summary tome of a book.

[@billkeon880]

Bugliosi’s book does this…examines a conspiracy claim and presents the evidence against it, then goes on to the next claim

[@user-sb8yy6zj4q]

Problem is EVERY 5 and 10 years, to make $$$$, people introduce NEW theories and so called NEW information, which MOST of it is garbage, but again it's all about $$$$$.....I checked a number of years ago, and there was around 88 THEORIES on what happened...EIGHTY EIGHT!!!!!!!! smh Mostly SNAKE OIL salesman exaggerating or adding details which never happened....

[@jameslovering9158]

One bullet explodes on impact, one bullet travels through 2 bodies and is in near perfect condition to be recovered as evidence. The claim the exploding bullet was due to it hitting the bone in the skull, yet the other hit bone also, why such a dramatic difference. Have tests been done on these bullets to prove they explode when hitting a human skull ?

[@darkbeach72]

Bullets are weird, man. Watch some Paul Harrell videos. Shoot a box of ammo at the same target and you'll get a range of results. They can vary greatly from shot to shot, but if you shoot enough of them you'll see tendencies toward a certain behavior.

[@jameslovering9158]

@@darkbeach72 Seen enough bullets to know how they react, various rounds and types. But my views come from experts who reviewed the evidence in detail, forensic specialists with very strong experience and qualifications. Multiple shooters and the key 2 shots from front, NOT the back. Its all there if you want to read it, Its settled my mind once and for all. Very complete and detailed analysis very impressive.

[@johjoh978]

firing a 45 at a backdrop sometimes they shred apart and sometimes theyre unharmed outside of rifling marks. dont care what the "experts" say. thats just how things are.

[@jameslovering9158]

The direction of the show is the key point. That should be easy to determine ?

[@aaronz7056]

Bullet is not pristine, it is badly crushed at the nose.

[@MakerInMotion]

Hey if I donate to the museum will you promise to use it to buy a pop filter for your lectern's microphone?

[@judhudon6235]

I don't know if Mr. Holland is covering up for the powers-that-be or if he has tunnel vision. With any murder, especially with a political assassination, there is context as well as the crime scene. Mr. Holland is only interested in the crime scene. He says nothing about the acoustic recording that shows at least four shots. He says nothing about the Parkland physicians who, to the man, said that there was a frontal shot that was fatal. He says nothing about Deputy Roger Craig's testimony and mysterious death. He says nothing about how the president's body was illegally and forcibly removed from the hospital. He says nothing about the botched autopsy at Bethesda Hospital. He says nothing about how the real head of the Warren Commission was ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles and how John J. McCloy, a Rockefeller man, played a principle role in the cover-up. Instead, Holland concocts yet another Arlen-Spector-type theory on how Oswald fired three shots in now eleven, not six, seconds. The question should not be about Oswald in Dallas but the powers-that-be in New York City in 1963. Similarly, the question should not be about Booth in Washington, D.C. but the powers-that-be in New York City throughout 1864 till mid-April 1865.

[@gerardmcglynn3027]

Well put !!

[@carlsartor1423]

The doctors at Bethesda, had never done a gun shot autopsy in their entire career!

[@roberta.6399]

💯 agreed

[@peterfraser9070]

Mr. Holland mentioned that the so-called dicta-belt recording were total bunk - if you search that a bit, you'll see there were no actual sounds recorded, it was a machine showing noise levels. It didn't amount to anything. Unfortunately this is pretty much the only reason the House Select Committee in 1978 said possible conspiracy. It's nothing. The rest of your message was just full of non facts - stories, nothing more.

[@lukula2934]

Well put...They're doing the same thing with the JFK removal that they did with "Honest Abe"... There is so much more behind the Civil War and the role played by so many members of the same families that were involved in Dallas , (And many more). The only interest Lincoln had in slavery was to increase it 1,000 fold with desperate Europeans. Had the south succeeded in secession , it would have been entirely constitutional. But the North went on to crush the Southern Spirit, much like Dresden after WW2...Because they knew they would surely lose any engagement with a people of Spirit...

[@johnbellingham9067]

There were several copies made of the Zapruder film. The chain of possession of each copy is in doubt.

[@terrikay4622]

Also no chain of custody for the bullets either.

[@crystal890]

@@terrikay4622 1

[@terrikay4622]

@@crystal890 1 what?

[@darrell6800]

three copies. CIA, FBI, and ZAP family. Zero issues

[@johnbellingham9067]

@@darrell6800 Oh yes ? So do the Zapruder family still have their copy ? Which copies were kept by Time/Life (General Charles Douglas Jackson)

[@palemale2501]

The security team were out boozing till 5 am that very morning.......

[@peterfraser9070]

Bit of an exaggeration.

[@rerschik]

The fact that the 6th Floor would not allow the display of Matt Shaw's material on Dorthy Kilgallen and Jack Ruby is wrong on so many levels. It's clearly in their financial best interest to support the single shooter theory.

[@thomaswhiddon7638]

Oh yeah.......It's about money. What's not in the USA?

[@myguitardetective5961]

Matt Shaw is just another conspiracy theorist. His material shouldn't be anywhere near the 6th Floor. Dorothy Kilgallen was not murdered...PERIOD. That's based upon the best forensic evidence (and it was reviewed recently and debunked once again).

[@peterfraser9070]

You got yer head up yer, well, you know

[@aaronz7056]

Hilarious paranoia. That's right, the conspiracy is alive and well and still shaking spineless victims down 59 years later.... lol

[@nicenonya3]

Oswald shot NOBODY,I doubt he ever fired a shot at Walker

[@81overon]

The bullet fired at Walker was 30.06 - not from a 6.5 mannlicher carcano.

[@81overon]

@Owen Thorsen The police report. The bullet was described as steel jacketed 30.06.

[@peterfraser9070]

watch the witnesses swear it was him. Believe in reality.

[@aaronz7056]

Is that why he immediately fled the plaza, was ID'd shooting a cop, was caught trying to shoot a second cop, lied about his whereabouts during the assassination, refused to cooperate, refused help from the President of the Dallas Bar Association, acted so smug he even convinced his own brother he was guilty, and just shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"

[@roberta.6399]

His very last statement about the head shot being from the rear is completely opposite of Dr. Cryil Wecht's hypotheses pertaining to the fatal head shot. Dr Wecht also states that the 2 lead Pathologists at Bethesda were extremely inept at best for a litney of reasons. Dr Wecht's argument is very compelling.

[@adamchewy2284]

I have met him several times, and seen him lecture bc I live in Allegheny County. When I was a child, my mother and father got a divorce, I had to fly back and forth from Pittsburgh to Maine frequently. I always sat first class, bc my father had endless free miles. No lie .. No lie, I sat next to him one trip, n at the time , n still to this day, the JFK assassination intrigues the hell out of me. I picked his brain for 5 -6 minutes , n then left him alone. However , as an adult I have also met him , listened to him speak, YT his vids, and I have to say that the man is a total pompous narcissist. Sorry bro. Just facts. I use to love those trips bc every time us kids flew to Maine (and it was a lot) , we used to love gliding past the WTC's and the NY skyline.

[@aaronz7056]

Wecht is a clown. All evidence clearly demonstrates the head shot is from the rear. Kennedy had a cratered entrance wound in the back of his skull, an impossible shot from the knoll but a clear and direct one from Oswald's window. The bullet caused an explosion out at the right temple, also a ludicrous scenario from a shot from the knoll.

[@adamchewy2284]

@@aaronz7056 He is a narcissistic, pompous, ass. I live in Pittsburgh, and have to see him on TV, and he was a professor of mine for 2 courses, at Pitt. However, was one of the first to find CTE, and we both don't know what the hell happened with JFK.

[@rawbacon]

@@adamchewy2284 Oddly enough another conspiracy theorist (David Lifton) told me Cyril was a massive attention seeking narcissist and apparently Cyril's Father helped feed that narcissism.

[@peterfraser9070]

Dr. Wecht should never be listened too. He's a devious liar.

[@clydecessna737]

I find it disturbing that an assassin who would commit the crime from his place of work. This seems unlikely for a sole assassin who presumably wishes to escape as Oswald appears to have done; but it would be perfect for the creation of a "patsy" by a conspiracy.

[@apointofinterest8574]

@Clyde Cessna: The crime was one of impulse and opportunity. No one knew the presidential motorcade would pass by the TSBD when Oswald got his job there on October 15. The route was not published until November 19, three days before the assassination. When Oswald read about it, he made sure he brought his rifle to work the next day. The "patsy" remark concerned his being harassed by the DPD for having lived in the Soviet Union, and was not a reference to any conspiracy. When reporters asked Oswald if he had killed the President, he replied, “No, they’ve taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I’m just a patsy.”

[@billkeon880]

@@apointofinterest8574 agree with everything you stated. Wonder how many of these conspiracy buffs (like I was for thirty years) have even read one opposing book, Warren report, HSCA, Bugliosi etc. I’ll bet not one of them have read even a single book

[@billkeon880]

Oswald fled after his attempt at Walker just like JFK. He would have wanted not to be caught, but his life was pathetic. He beat Marina regularly and was separated from her. She spurned him the night before the assassination. He lost three jobs in the 12 months prior to Nov 22. He was so dumb that he put a reference from the job he was fired from in New Orleans on his first job application when he got to Dallas in October two months before the assassination and a month before getting the job at TSBD. What kind of idiot puts a reference of the previous job you got fired from.

[@apointofinterest8574]

@@billkeon880 I'll drink to that. Bugliosi himself, tells how he had to read (slog thru) all the major conspiracy books in order to be able to write his own "Reclaiming History." That knowledge and understanding of the 'other side' is something the conspiracists clearly lack.

[@peterfraser9070]

Oswald shooting from the window of his work place, not bothering to cover his face, prevent prints, let himself be seen carrying the rifle into the building, etc etc, is consistent with a guy who is doing a desperate, even suicidal-like act. That's what lone nuts do, like Charles Guiteau, Leon Czolgosz, Mark David Chapman, John Hinckley Jr. (failed).

[@robertholmes5355]

This is fascinating and also has asmr qualities too!

[@my1vice]

When you step on the brake.... Your head goes forward. When you step on the accelerator.... Your head goes back.

[@davidwilliams4498]

Limo was slowed way down to an almost stop you see blood an matter going backwards an you see Jackie climb out of seat an when secret service jumps on trunk then driver speeds away. The last awful shot clearly happened before limo sped away. Super slow motion that can be seen

[@NFLMythsandLegends]

Last shot head goes dramatically backwards to show the shot came from the front. It’s velocity and basic physics that u can’t change. Shot came from in front of jfk.

[@arthur1658]

That would mean someone fired from the railway bridge, which didn't happen. There were several people on that bridge and not one of them said the shot or shots came from where they were standing.

[@fobrien1]

@@arthur1658 no one fired from the overpass and no one claims such a thing , well no on ewith any level of proper research . when most people say front they mean RIGHT front or knoll area . but many are not clear when expressing that .

[@wishchris]

There are two or three frames as the bullet passes through JFK’s head where his head in fact jerks forward by several inches and then jerks backward do to spasm and the jet effect of the explosive ejection from the front and side of his head. His head goes away initially from the shot from behind. There is also visible matter which is thrown up and forward away from shot into the back of the head. The shot did not come from the front or from the grassy knoll but from behind.

[@peterfraser9070]

what a funny joke

[@aaronz7056]

Kennedy's massive exit wound seen exploding at the temple is consistent only with a shot from behind. Connally's said the shots came from behind. Witnesses directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead. All bullets and fragments were matched to Oswald's rifle. Autopsy shows the shots came from behind. Parkland doctors had no particular problem with the autopsy photos. It's vastly implausible anybody would assume they would frame this on a lone shooter while firing from multiple directions.

[@sushibar777]

He doesn't address the issue of the head shot seeming to come from the right front, and not the right rear.

[@billkeon880]

a bunch of things here. A shot from the knoll would be at an angle of about 45 degrees to the limo (the knoll is not in front of the limo and it's not yet perpendicular to the fence (this always boithered me when I was a coinspiracist). Half way is about 45 degrees. The autoposy drawing (Robery and Jackie did not want any pictures of the brain autopsy in the Warren report or published later by magazines) shows a straight line from back to front through the right hemisphere ONLY. The left hemosphere of the brain is untouched. There was no shot from the knoll or anywhere else on the grassy/fence area for this reason but add in the other autopsy facts 1 the inside surface of the rear of JFKs skull has bevelling which is a clear forensic indicator of an entry would from the rear...2 lead fragments from the bullet left a trail in a clear forensic pattern from back to front 3 two pieces of the bullet were found in the front seat floor of the limo where a dent in the windshield frame's inner surface (shot from behind). The second part of this is the one we ALL fell for (me included for 30 years I believed conspiracy). This is the biggest piece of evidence and what everyone on starts their conspiracy journey on.... the backward movement of JFK from the headsshot. A couple of major problems here. The main preoblem with this is that the transfer of momentum from a bullet into a person isn't enough to throw their body anywhere. Mythbusters show did two segments onb this (watch the youtube 'Blown away revisited). That effect is plain Hollywood. If you do the calculation or you do the real life simulation (as Mythbusters did) you see that a body moves not distance and at most a head moves about 1-2 inches. Not the violent backward motion in the Z film. The second problem is that from frame 213 to 313 the head moves 1-2 inches FORWARD not backward. Blood and brain splatters up and forward - consistent with a shot from behind. The main reason for his violent movement backward is that when a quarter of your brain is immediately destroyed and a huge pulse of pressure goes through your skull, your legs and back (largest muscles) spams in one grande-mall contraction. The pushed JFK backward.

[@Jim75793]

Holland’s answer to the question re. the comment by Parkland medical attendances that a bulllet entered from the front was wrong because they didn’t see JFK’s back. What Holland leaves out is that Parkland medical authorities would have seen JFK’s back but also the front of his head where Dr. McClellan believed the bullet that killed JFK entered. Had JFK’s body not been illegally removed, Parkland medical authorities would have been able to make a complete examination of the wounds.

[@boblackey1]

If Doctor McClellan believed a bullet entered the FRONT of JFK'S head, he was WRONG. Not only did NO Parkland doctor examine the wounds, they never saw the entrance wound in the back. He is also wrong because there were ONLY THREE SHOTS which is easy to prove but ALL three came from the rear and from the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository using an Italian Carcano bolt action rifle which belonged to Oswald. All of this is easily proved and confirmed by several investigations including the 1978 House Committee on Assassinations and the Warren Commission. You are aware that all bullet fragments have been linked ballisticly to Oswald's rifle including the magic bullet CE399 to the exclusion of all other guns.

[@Jim75793]

@@boblackey1 How can it be seen other than that overt criminal acts occurred immediately after the death of President John F. Kennedy and that the purpose of these acts was to prevent the true discovery of his murderers, to wit: Taking JFK’s body out of the State of Texas by members of the Secret Service before it was legally released by Texas official medical authorities violated Texas state law. Confiscating evidence, including films, the limousine, etc. by members of the Secret Service or others posing as members of the Secret Service also violated Texas state law. That the City of Dallas, the County of Dallas and the State of Texas police and other Texas state officials did not resist or even object to these thefts was a dereliction of duty by these governing authorities. The highest authorities in the Federal government by their actions, specifically the President, the head of the FBI and the Warren Commission demonstrated complicity in these illegal acts. Questions, as far I know that have never been asked but need to be: Who initially ordered this theft of JFK’s body and this evidence? And regardless of who gave the order, even if it was the highest authority of the Federal government: Why did these secret service personnel commit these illegal acts? Clint Hill, and other secret service agents on active duty at the time of this murder, obviously party to these illegal acts, owe the nation answers to these questions to the extent they are able to do so. State of Texas authorities, those at the State, County and City, having never acknowledged these violations of Texas State law, as a minimum, need to acknowledge these wrongs. From these acts alone, there can be no conclusion other than that the Federal government authorities were complicit in these violations of Texas state law, and foremost amongest these responsible for these violations was the newly sworn-in President. Also complicit in these violations were: the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and those comprising the Warren Committee. Not only did these not so much as censure these crimes, the former gave direct orders to Dallas law officials that all evidence associated with the murder of the President was to be given to the FBI; and, as far as can be determined from that placed in the public domain, the latter either accepted the evidence as it was placed before them without questioning its authenticity or discounted any and all evidence that did not fit with their conclusion that Lee H. Oswald was the lone assassin. Consistent with these illegal acts are credible testimonies that: 1) JFK’s body was tampered with from the time it left Parkland Hospital and its arrival at Bethesda Hospital; and 2) The Zapruder film was tampered with prior to it being placed in the evidentiary file and definitely before it was released for public viewing. Beyond these testimonies is the conclusion by Dr. McClelland, the first to see the massive head wound, that the shot that killed the President entered from the front. These only add to the lack of truthfulness that can be assigned to the official version on the JFK assassination, specifically, these facts alone deny the Warren Commission report authenticity. The consequence of these violations by these Federal government officials and these credible testimonies is that it is not possible for reasonable people to accept the official version that the assassination of President Kennedy was by Lee H. Oswald acting solely on his own. This does not mean that this killing was a conspiracy nor does it mean that this killing was not by a lone assassin and that that assassin was Lee H. Oswald. What it means is that we cannot know the truth of this historical event nor can we have confidence in the honesty of our government officials. Even at this late time, those in authority in the State of Texas should as a minimum acknowledge that these acts by the secret service were crimes against the people of the State of Texas. More appropriately these authorities should prosecute to the extent Texas state law allows all of the secrete service personnel still living that were involved in these thefts and any and all others that can be shown to be complicit in these thefts. And this obviously should be done ASAP.

[@lacyron]

@@Jim75793 I totally agree with you. However, let me tell you I am a retired deputy. I started as a deputy about two years after Kennedy was killed. What you say about the law is TRUE. NO ONE had the authority to remove Kennedy's body from the hospital or from the State of Texas, or remove the evidence from the Dallas Police Dept. However, i understand the thinking of cops at the time, though it was WRONG. Many police in that day looked up to the Federal authorities such as the FBI and the Secret Service. There were many police who considered the Feds as having higher authority than the local police. I KNEW that was not true and in 1967 had a debate with an FBI agent and I told him, "YOU and the FBI have no authority over me or this case (the one I happened to be working on at the time)". And I told him if you doubt what I say then go talk to my Sgt. He never did because he knew that I was right. But they usually get away with throwing their weight around, and snowing other cops into thinking that they (Federal Agents) have more authority in the pecking order than a bunch of dumb local cops. It's all B.S. that they usually get away because the local cops are ignorant and don't want to rock the boat. Me, I was a boat rocker.

[@nomadicgringo9312]

@@lacyron There are overwhelmingly positive evidences against lbj,and nixon. Only the fingerprints of mac wallace 100 % could traced back to lbj. Who 's mac wallace? He's key hitman of lbj. Who's allen dulles ? He's an honest underling of ghw bush . He was fired by JFK in case of bay of pigs and operation zapata.

[@lacyron]

@@nomadicgringo9312 You know they say George H. Bush had nothing to do with any of this, and he claims he does not remember where he was when JFK was killed. There was a memo from the CIA at that time with the name George Bush on it, indicating Bush worked for the CIA. But George Bush and the CIA denied it all. However, George Bush owned an oil company name ZAPATA and two of the ships used in the Bay of Pigs were named Zapata and Barbara. Barbara being George's wife and Zapata the name of his oil company. JUST a coincidence, right? YEAH, LOL...

[@BetweenStations77]

Ignore that comment. I posted that before i saw the whole talk.

[@rocketrose2165]

you are allowed to edit or remove your own comments.

[@watermelonlalala]

From Rohrshach to Horsesh**. Zapruder did film the whole thing but the Secret Service was running around with the film over the weekend to special photo labs and they cooked up an edited version to protect the guilty.

[@boblackey1]

There isn't a shred of proof for that. To the contrary the film has been examined by experts including the Kodak lab and it has not been doctored. ALL conspiracy theories are complete BS!! 3 shots all from the 6th floor from an Italian bolt action rifle which belong to Lee Oswald who acted alone to kill JFK.

[@watermelonlalala]

@@boblackey1 There is a video on youtube. Some guy from a JFK archives and he interviews the guy who was called in on Saturday to make story boards with photos from the Zapruder film. But another team was called in on Sunday and made different storyboards. It was kept secret that two different versions had been made. The second set of story boards still exists, or at least some of them do. You have no proof Oswald shot anyone. He worked in that building.

[@boblackey1]

@@watermelonlalala The Warren Comission and the 1978 House Committee on Assassination as well as others concluded Oswald killed President Kennedy!!! There are NO story boards. The Zapruder film is AUTHENTIC from start to finish. That has also been confirmed by experts. You have bought into conspiracy theories LIES. It will 58 YEARS this November since Oswald killed Krnnedy and not ONE conspiracy theory has worked or solved anything. Of course Oswald worked at the Depository. That is how he had access to the 6th floor where he fired the three shots.

[@joesmith8398]

@@boblackey1 If that's true, why would an assassin who's hellbent on killing the president wait until the limousine is driving AWAY from him down Elm Street with a tree and a street sign possibly obstructing his view, when he had an unobstructed view of the president coming TOWARDS him before the limousine made the left turn. Not only did Oswald have a better view but Oswald would have had more time to get off more shots, if needed.

[@boblackey1]

@@joesmith8398 Because the police and secret service were heading toward Oswald too. Best to wait until they turn the corner and drive away from the snipers window. As it was photographer Bob Jackson did look up as he had not turned the corner and saw the rifle before it was pulled inside. And Harold Norman on the 5th floor just under the snipers window heard the three shots loud just over his head plus the bolt being worked three times and three spent shell casings hit the floor over Norman's head.

[@jasonabraham8248]

Minor correction to a misstatement . Tague's wound was actually on HIS right cheek. The scab circled was in fact just that, a scab from a previous wound.

[@benruffo1197]

Bits of exploding ammunition were found in Connelly s wrist. No metal was missing in the magic bullet. Please explain.

[@peterfraser9070]

I can explain, you got your info all confused and muddled. Period.

[@aaronz7056]

Do you ever get tired of telling paranoid lies?

[@paulnail7273]

See my comments above. Briefly, the Pristine Bullet absolutely did not pass through both JFK’s and Connelly’s bodies, as erroneously concluded by the Warren Commission. The bullet that did, fragmented into several small pieces, which were found in Connelly’s right wrist, front left thigh, or on the floorboard between Connelly and his wife.

[@paulnail7273]

See my comments, either right bellow or above.

[@rickraybourn7456]

The first shot was just after they turned the corner

[@iannonsuch8086]

... which would be logical. It was the optimal moment. The president’s car was going at its slowest speed and angular velocity almost zero relative to the shooter. I hadn’t heard about a shot at that time, but I have always wondered why Oswald, or whoever else, didn’t fire at that moment.

[@johnscanlon7757]

If it was Oswald Kennedy would have been shot before the turn onto elm

[@johnscanlon7757]

@@iannonsuch8086 there’s a witness that said he heard the first shot at the turn I forget his name it’s a black man he was a kid at the time

[@Caeruleo]

@@johnscanlon7757 His name is said aloud in this video and also displayed on the screen: Amos Euins.

[@Caeruleo]

@@johnscanlon7757 Why do you say that?

[@rosu5726]

Oswald didn't shoot anything. No residue on him. Plus calmly having coke on 2nd floor.

[@karimC35]

And no Oswald prints anywhere on gun until after he died and and the funeral home said the fbi came and left ink under oswalds nails

[@michaelwoodward9894]

That's absolutely correct,so who did besides Malcolm Wallace ,who fingerprints were found on the sixth floor of the Texas Book Depository,where Lee H.Oswald was allegedly supposed to. Malcom Wallace is known to be very closely associated with LBJ for dark deeds to put things mildly

[@rosu5726]

@@michaelwoodward9894 this should be taught in hi school. People should understand the past is to figure out now and the future. Our gvnmnt keeps everybody very uneducated.

[@Ckom-Tunes]

I’m sorry but you are misguided. Oswald obviously shot a gun that day-the one he used to kill Tippit (with 11 witnesses to that act!) Also gun shot residue (GSR), or paraffin tests, of the time, prove consistently unreliable with regard to determining if someone shot a firearm. ‘Scientific experts concur in the view that the paraffin test has proved extremely unreliable in use. It can only establish the presence or absence of nitrates or nitrites on the hand; still, the test alone cannot determine whether the source of the nitrates or nitrites was the discharge of a firearm.’ So, your comment has at least two big problems.

[@Ckom-Tunes]

@@karimC35 Nope… ‘On November 22, however, before surrendering possession of the rifle to the FBI Laboratory, Lieutenant Day of the Dallas Police Department had "lifted" a palmprint from the underside of the gun barrel "near the firing end of the barrel about 3 inches under the woodstock when I took the woodstock loose." 52’ National Archives

[@250txc]

A human body is going to react to a bullet hitting it according to physics. This guy totally contradicted this fact of the real world.

[@peterfraser9070]

You totally missed the point that his head DID react to the bullet hitting it according to physics; when the bullet hit the back of his head, his head was knocked forward - and the debris from the top right of his head is plainly visible in the Z Film flying FORWARD. If he'd been hit from the front left, there would've been an exit wound on the other side. His upper body jerked back as a muscle spasm; a bullet cannot throw you back like that.

[@andywinger4197]

@@peterfraser9070 You've convinced me to quit wasting my time listening to this crap. Why did Jackie climb on the back of the limo? Answer: to retrieve a piece of JFK's skull, which she handed to one of the doctors at Parkland hospital. Why would the skull fragment be behind JFK if he was shot from the back?

[@peterfraser9070]

@@andywinger4197 it was a piece of brain - doctor Ronald Jones said - and as is shown in the Z Film, big pieces of skull visibly fly forward. It was quite a head explosion, and blood n' brains (gross) also flew behind. The Connollys said they had it on them, as well as on the hood of the car. Bullet fragments were in front too.

[@andywinger4197]

@@peterfraser9070 Kind of like an exploding bullet? Don't believe everything you read on this subject; there's lots of disinformation. There are still people trying to convince the world that Oswald was a lone shooter. You may be one of those people. Oswald was a lone patsy.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@andywinger4197 try watching the film and don't be confused by CT docs like you usually watch. They are garbage.

[@BetweenStations77]

I also thought the first missed shot is on the zapruder film. The little girl running, stops and turns her head, hearing the first shot.

[@MrDuds1984]

I turned this off after him saying the first shot hit, that's incorrect the first missed and the second hit both Kennedy and Connelly. Case Closed by Gerald Posner will clear this up for him

[@vernpascal1531]

@@MrDuds1984 -The Single Bullet Theory is about as likely as the Orioles winning the World Series this year!

[@57Koba]

In Case Closed, Posner postulates that there are three "jiggles" in the film which may indicate when the shots were fired. The assertion is that the rifle shot would cause a reaction in someone trying to hold a camera steady. This was tested several times with people filming and not knowing when a rifle would be fired. In every case, there was a jiggle in the camera. There are three jiggles in the film, fairly evenly spaced which gives credence to the theory. The little girl stopping may indicate looking for the origin of the shot or it may indicate as the defense lawyer Spense said in the mock Oswald trial that the girl's mother called to her: "Rosemary, stop running and get back here!" We can't know for sure.

[@goodgood9955]

@@vernpascal1531 Please explain why. Many thanks.

[@0davydebrycke328]

Zapruder was in hands of homeland security for 15 years before being released, altered and past, copy, cut, cut, insert....

[@billslocum9819]

"The most extensive and best reexamination of the assassination" 22:17 - Does this CBS multi-hour program exist somewhere where it can be viewed today?

[@johnscanlon7757]

Yea I found it on KZbin before it’s hosted by Walter Cronkite

[@billslocum9819]

@Special Videos That's one I've not heard before.

[@nicenonya3]

Warren omission report would make some great toilet paper if you need it for the next pandemic.

[@randyharris3175]

How would you know you didnt fing read it.

[@SuperReznative]

👍👏🇨🇦❤️

[@bryanrmcnair01]

Almost can just use the Constitution!

[@apointofinterest8574]

@John Walker: If the WC report is 'toilet paper,' think what that makes the "Conspiracy Report." If pro-conspiracy side ever compiled a report (which they never will), it would most nearly resemble: the undigested food, proteins, bacteria, salts, and other substances that are produced and released by intestines through the anus.

[@nerradnosnhoj5122]

@@apointofinterest8574 you are full of what you say there WC report is garbage and everyone has known this a long time

[@chha6439]

Great video 👏👏

[@lindaaphillippi7015]

This is all I know. A hunter I used to know used high powered rifles and the entrance hole in the animal carcass was small. The exit wound wad very large.

[@peterfraser9070]

Same with Kennedy's head, unfortunately

[@MashaRistova]

People who hunt are gross

[@Dogheadj]

One publication at the time (which I think was Life) printed a photo of the "sniper's nest". The photo featured a view from the window looking down Elm Street. However, the photo was taken from the 2nd or 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex building, a site that many conspiracy theorists believe shots were fired from. The photo, as far as I know, was only published once; then disappeared. A "Freudian slip", perhaps?

[@aaronz7056]

... and a site nobody who actually looks at the evidence believe shots were fired from, starting with not one witness on Houston ever saying a word about anyone firing from above and behind them.

[@Dogheadj]

@@aaronz7056 Hey Aaron. Yeah, I've read most of the rebuttals to this theory. However, experts say that the CIA and other agencies had silencers, even for high powered rifles back in '63. I am not pushing the Dal-Tex theory; merely mentioned it as a point of interest. Also, consider that there WERE eyewitnesses standing below the grassy knoll who stated that the shots DID come from above and behind them. In otherwords, the grassy knoll. But these eyewitnesses, for some reason, are always discounted, discredited, and pooh-poohed.

[@aaronz7056]

@@Dogheadj Eyewitnesses are hugely unreliable at the best of times, but no bullets or fragments were ever found that did not match to Oswald's rifle, witness including every newsman in the plaza and the guys in the windows right under Oswald firmly heard 3 shots, the medical evidence all points right to the shots coming from behind, modern, exhaustively measured computer analysis tests consistently point to the victims' wounds lining up on perfect trajectories right back to Oswald's window, etc.

[@thomashammer9641]

I saw a book depository with several open windows. How is this security protocol? Also saw several individual's at different open windows.

[@aaronz7056]

@@thomashammer9641 You can see many films of Kennedy riding in limos in parades through different cities with open windows all over the place.

[@skipd9164]

Why after the first shot Oswald wasnt seen . If your ever at an event you're always checking things out till the moment the event happens. Wouldn't people have looked up . And just been aware of a possible location. This is for any building

[@randyharris3175]

He was Breenan 2 people saw the rifle

[@grobbs666]

The acoustics of Dealey Plaza are weird due to its shape, slope downhill, surrounding buildings, etc. If you ever go there you'll see what I mean. I happen to live in Dallas and been there many times. Lee Bowers, who was in the train tower back behind the picket fence and TSBD, testified that earlier in the summer there was construction work on the TSBD. He knew full well that's where the sound was coming from, but said it sounded like it was coming from further to the right (grassy knoll/tripld underpass). So sound and echos are weird there. That's why so many of the witnesses disagreed with where the sounds came from (most said TSBD, but many said grassy knoll/triple underpass)

[@aaronz7056]

The gunman was seen firing from the window.

[@FredLL1950]

"The opinions and viewpoints expressed here are those of the presenter(s), not The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza." This phrase at the bottom of the description is all you need to know about what this guy has to say. If the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza doesn't agree with him, why should anyone.

[@tommysmith5233]

Don't believe that he was alone

[@peterfraser9070]

Well, you can believe he was alone up there on the 6th floor shooting, but someone else could've encouraged him or promised help after. That's possible. Then again, he probably didn't need encouragement and didn't expect to never be caught anyway.

[@jltuttle1667]

The worst day of my childhood..... this is the most thoughtful and thorough examination IMO to date

[@andywinger4197]

I'm pretty certain the Sixth Floor Museum only puts out crap like this. There are still people trying to convince the world that Oswald was a lone shooter. I think Oswald figured out his role a little too late; he was a lone patsy.

[@Purplexity-ww8nb]

I have a hard time believing the traffic light post was the same one after 50 years. A jacketed bullet ricocheting off a lamp post would leave an obvious mark.

[@randyharris3175]

It does not matter they know one shot missed

[@_insertusername_2464]

@@randyharris3175 It DOES matter. Because how did they know where the shot came from if it hit the lamp post.

[@randyharris3175]

@@_insertusername_2464 ofcourse it came from.Oswald theyre not absolutely surevit hit the pole

[@_insertusername_2464]

@@randyharris3175 I did not understand your comment.

[@81overon]

@@_insertusername_2464 The bullet deflected off a tree branch. Ricocheted off a traffic light. Then hit the curb near James Tague over by the old triple underpass. This was the first of two 'magic bullets' that were fired that day.

[@dpitd]

Fascinating. Thank you.

[@watermelonlalala]

I don't think a tiny wobble = being startled. More like he knew what was going to happen and the sound jarred him slightly, but he was waiting for it, not startled.

[@jerryashlock5519]

I believe JFK said as much...

[@aaronz7056]

"He was waiting for it..."

[@beebroot]

What about inability to see the target from the window through the oak tree and the traffic signal that has been changed out since 63? It's always amazed me how many landmarks have been moved in Dealy Plaza since the murder.

[@markrymanowski719]

Including the storm drain 6ft from the target.

[@beebroot]

@@markrymanowski719 not to mention the road surface has been raised several inches due to repaving over the years, making the storm drain opening much smaller than it was in 63. Light posts have been moved over a foot, signs changed out, landscaping moved around. "They" have made an accurate reenactment impossible. Well done! Crime scene secured.

[@markrymanowski719]

@@beebroot We won't find one researcher mention the storm drain. That's the shot that blew his brains out. They all know it. It's like they're white washing as they go along. JFK's head was falling apart in autopsy. They had to clamp it all together. I say 3 shots to the head. People nearby heard 'Pop.... Pop Pop. Gunsmoke was smelt in the street. Jackie and Clint were on the back to clean up the evidence of front shots. Inspecter Cluesou could work this one out.

[@johnadams5489]

@@markrymanowski719 The storm drain was below the Limo. There were no shots other than the 3 shots that Oswald fired. Cut the bullshit. You've got nothing.

[@markrymanowski719]

@@johnadams5489 How do you sleep at night?

[@erikalesi7603]

Imagine ignoring modern day forensic science and ballistics and still believing Oswald acted alone.

[@johanjohansson7717]

Imagine a world full of conspiracy theorists.

[@ronwaggoner6899]

Actually, you have to ignore modern day forensic science and ballistics to believe Oswald DIDN’T act alone...

[@larryyouguessame6078]

It’s conspiracy fact now Johan Johansson!

[@generalfred9426]

They all support the Warren Commission though...

[@jasoncarman9656]

2 people in the know discuss an event, yet the narrative is way off… Conspiracy? Conspiracy theorist is a made up term. Always question, or be ignorant

[@edt8535]

Pictures don’t lie. But they don’t necessarily tell the “truth” either. Or explain anything. They simply capture a moment in time…just my humble opinion. It’s very difficult to hit a small target with a rifle, even harder when it’s moving. Harder still if you’re gonna pull off the crime of the century. I guess one line but could do it (in theory), but who the hell could pull off a cover up for the last 60 years? If there’s nothing to hide, then why in God’s name is there still documents and information being withheld from being released to the public after all this time? If you can’t smell something rotten with all this, you simply haven’t been paying attention.

[@kingmiura8138]

So, Kennedy was very lucky on the first shot. The nutcase Ruby caused most of the speculation because there was no trial of Oswald which would have answered most of the questions.

[@jdunn101ify]

So how would Oswald explain dozens of eye witnesses that heard shots from grassy knoll.

[@kingmiura8138]

@@jdunn101ify Oswald was denying he shot anyone so he would have probably said yeah - it was those people in the grassy knoll that did it. Search youtube for oswald trial - there is a video of a staged trial with real judge..prosecutor...and defense attorney.

[@gravitypronepart2201]

​@@jdunn101ifyhe's undoubtedly agree, as he wNted to evade charges

[@deniseah6129]

This presentation ignores the debate over the authenticity of the Zapruder film. MANY indications that it is altered. See, for example, James Fetzer's book "The Great Zapruder Film Hoax," Doug Horne's "Two NPIC Events," and my own research into anomalies of the film (such as JFK's too large forearm rising IN FRONT of Connally's seat back at frame 226, and the limo flag IN FRONT of the "waving" bystander at frame 227, among others). The "Rorschach Test" inherent in the film is deliberate obfuscation. Holland's trust in the film is misplaced.

[@vernpascal1531]

Good post. Most people though can look at this film and see JFK's whole upper torso was driven back and to the left-same direction as the Bullet from right front.

[@michaelivey1087]

@@rogeeeferrari Dont waste your time with Termsofservice. He or she is nothing but a government paid troll. He works hard at telling everyone, dont believe your eyes. Believe the fi tion know as The Warren Commission and all the other so called Federal investigations! Thats where you find the truth! Yeah right!

[@aaronz7056]

Hilarious paranoia.

[@markmiller6402]

I thought it was common knowledge that the film had been interfered with. With bits missing, and crude attempts to disguise the huge hole in the back of JFK’s head.

[@aaronz7056]

Not true, and no evidence of any of that.

[@DavianSinner]

Sure it's common knowledge. In the nutjob/tinfoil community.

[@peterfraser9070]

Boy, did you ever think wrong.

[@chriscald9426]

@@DavianSinner You don't think the whole magic bullet theory belongs in the nut job/tinfoil community? That bullet went through 2 people & changed about 5 directions in mid air. Say's the guy who believes the magic bullet theory created not by a Dr but a lawmaker Specter. Yeah, I don't think you should be calling people the nutjobs/tinfoil community just because they question something they are told.

[@jamesdrynan]

For people dubious about the film being tampered with, I direct them to the testimony of Dino Brugioni in the video " The Zapruder Film Mystery. "

[@Rocky-xx2zg]

I read that the Carno Rifle fired 6.5 MM Full Metal Jacket would enter with a 6.5 MM hole and exit with the same size . The bullet that was the fatal shot was a 6.0 MM Non Full Metal. Which entered as a small hole, but exploded after that. The conclusion is the Carno rifle did not fire the Fatal shot. He did not address this in his presentation. Why?

[@single55]

If we all saw the original zapruda film,we would all 🤮up. Kennedys head was literally blown off.

[@peterfraser9070]

Do you know what 'literally' means??

[@single55]

@@peterfraser9070 The adverb ,literally ,means, actually, and we use it when we want others to know we're serious, not exaggerating or being metaphorical.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@single55 uh huh, and was Kennedy's head "literally blown off"? No, it wasn't. What you're seeing in the Z Films on KZbin is what literally happened. He wasn't shot by a cannon.

[@jenpsakiscousin4589]

As a former photo journalist covering combat in Iraq, yugoslavia, Somalia and many other conflicts, I have seen many people shot. I've never seen a person shot in the back of the head jerk forward towards the shot.

[@spudrain]

Bernie Lomax recent enhanced analysis of the Zapruder film actually shows an initial movement forward before the violent backward and to the left movement. This is yet another example of how as time goes by and forensic science improves, the conspiracy theories are discredited.

[@sticks0012]

And you never will.

[@juliechase2047]

You forget his back brace! RC

[@LaGrandeBayou]

Julie “What about his back brace”. And so were to believe JFKs “back-brace” was so effective it defied physics by slinging Kennedy’s brain matter INTO the direction of the assailant ..? Yeah. No. It doesn’t work like that.

[@jefferytokarsky1930]

Forget that. Part of JFKs brain ended up on the trunk, not in Connally’s lap.

[@WG-tt6hk]

There has always been a question in my mind as to what happened to the bullet that passed through Kennedy's head (the fatal shot). The one that went through the back of his neck , then through Connally's chest (breaking a rib) , going through his wrist (breaking more bones) , and finally lodging in his thigh (to fall out on a hospital gurney in pristine condition , the so-called "magic bullet"). Therefore ,should not the round for the head not have entered the back of the front seat of the limo, and subsequently the Secret Service Agent driving it. The bullet seems to vanish just after leaving Kennedy's brain (and no one ever addressed this little item of of interest). The answer came to me decades later. The bullet that hit the President's head was a "frangible" bullet. That is why there was no remaining cartridge. However, Oswald was not using "frangible" ammunition. Oh well. Nothing to see here so move on.😎

[@Caeruleo]

"The one that went through the back of his neck , then through Connally's chest (breaking a rib) , going through his wrist (breaking more bones) , and finally lodging in his thigh (to fall out on a hospital gurney in pristine condition , the so-called "magic bullet")." It is both amazing and amusing that there are still people in 2023 using the word "pristine" in any context to describe CE 399, the bullet claimed to be the single bullet, more than 58 years after this myth had already been irrefutably proven to be false by photographs of the bullet released to the public in November, 1964. Photographs which show the base of the bullet show the base to be severely flattened, with part of the metal core having been shoved out. That is not what most people would call "pristine." "The bullet seems to vanish just after leaving Kennedy's brain (and no one ever addressed this little item of of interest)." Not sure where on earth you're getting this from. Multiple fragments of the bullet were found in the limousine. And where are you getting the claim that "no one" has addressed this? I remember reading the work of many different researchers decades ago in which this very thing was discussed extensively. You must not have done much study of what the majority of researchers have said about the shooting. "The bullet that hit the President's head was a "frangible" bullet. That is why there was no remaining cartridge. However, Oswald was not using "frangible" ammunition." It has never been proven that it was a "frangible" bullet, and at least one of the fragments found in the limo was ballistically matched to the Carcano.

[@Whydotheheathenrage00Z]

Very good!

[@nobrenobre1]

Say what you want sir I don't know who? But when you take a punch in the face, your head doesn't go to your attacker!

[@nobrenobre1]

It's exactly what happened, front side, left or right, your head goes back, back right, or back left, but it can't be front!

[@kazkazimierz1742]

Spector only came up with the magic bullet theory after he found out that a shot had hit a curb missing the car completely. They had to account for three shots. Since one was out the running, two had to do all the damage.

[@peterfraser9070]

"Spector only came up with the magic bullet theory after he found out": That's just the BS spin that the Mark Lanes and the Cyril Wechts put on it. The Warren Report is frickin' correct about the major basics. It's not perfect, but those guys weren't stupid and they weren't covering up anything. Read Bugliosi's book, Reclaiming History: the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, it'll change your shorts, man.

[@kazkazimierz1742]

@@peterfraser9070 I have been following this since it happened and am still learning things I didn't know such as Oswald's connection to intelligence agencies. If they weren't trying to cover anything up why the Warren commission call the two women as witnesses who would have testified that Oswald did not come down the stairs from the fifth floor at the time of the shooting?

[@peterfraser9070]

@@kazkazimierz1742 But the question is, where are you learning these things from? There have been soooo many conspiracy books cashing in on the JFK bandwagon; twisting the facts around, exaggerating and outright lying. Mark Lane was basically the original conspiracy inventor.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@kazkazimierz1742 Those women never claimed they came down the stairs immediately after the shots were fired; they didn't know the exact time, just that it was soon after. They didn't see Oswald - or anyone else coming down, so how did the shooter come down from the 6th floor? Cause there's no 2 ways about it; someone (Oswald) was shooting up there. They came down after him. BTW, a person could just walk quickly down the 4 floors in under a minute, so it's not a "smoking gun" that Oswald didn't appear to be out of breath. He wouldn't have to be.

[@kazkazimierz1742]

@@peterfraser9070 I have been learning about the matter from various sources, books about it, interviews on youtube with witnesses to the event.

[@nycsongman9758]

Once Holland intoned that the clearly-altered Z-forgery was a "time clock"; I rolled my eyes, and *clicked out* .

[@randyharris3175]

It was not clearly altered if you believe that you're very gullible.

[@nycsongman9758]

@@randyharris3175 I won't waste time rolling out the laundry list of indicators pointing to the obvious alterations of the Z- film. Do the the research, as have I. Meanwhile, I'll let you sit there amid either your sad dishonesty, or your delusion.

[@SuperReznative]

@@nycsongman9758 So true,, the delusion.. GOD help us all. Shalom

[@BilgePump]

@@nycsongman9758 If you want to investigate a conspiracy research Mark Lane. Who he was, what he was doing in NYC in the 50’s when LHO was a truient running around the streets. Why was it so nessasary that he gets a article out doubting that Oswald did it weeks later when he had no hard facts pertaining to the shooting. Oh and just for fun, look up where he was on Nov 18th 1978.

[@mikefarrell366]

Yup, the real film shows the turn on Elm from Houston St. The dark skinned man(Cuban) steps out in Elm St. and gives the military sign to stop(raised fist) the limousine driver William Greer slows the car down to a very brief stop and JFK is hit in head twice. A copy of this film made the rounds on college campuses in the 70’s and one the people that saw it used to have video on here talking about what he saw. This gentleman had an Italian last name, that I can’t recall. The last time I saw the video on here the sound disappeared before he could say what he saw( I wonder why!!!)

[@jt-ff3yx]

Best analysis of the Z film I've seen. I find the idea of the first shot before the film recommences very convincing. However, I thought he skirted over the "magic bullet" issue, i.e., that one bullet could make all those wounds on two people. And at least two people attending JFK at Parkland saw the massive wound on the back of his head and part of his cerebellum fall out on the table. Bottom line, this is the best presentation and defense of the more traditional view that I have seen, but there are just too many contrary eyewitness statements and other pieces of evidence to dismiss alternative positions (e.g., a second shooter).

[@gravitypronepart2201]

The so called magic bullit has been replicated a number of times. Nat geo was one of then. Nothing magic about it. What's often overlooked are the positions of JFK and Connelies jump seats relatively each other, Cornelius was lower and inboard of JFKS, and their body positiones. Don't believe Oliver Stone. Also, the Parkland Dr's never even knew about the bullet hole in his back, because they never even looked. Also, they mistook all the dripping blood for a gaping exit wound. The autopsy confirmed it was the entrance wound.

[@JfK--OBJECTivE]

You mean all 20+ doctors and nurses.

[@gravitypronepart2201]

@JfK--OBJECTivE If you pay attention to who they were, most of them were actually medical students. Those who were doctors, some were resident interns. But regardless, they all mistook the wounds and never even checked his body for other wounds, and admitted to this, which displayed a level of either incompetence or caos. In any case, they weren't impressive.

[@Chicken_Little_Syndrome]

The Zapruder film was tampered with.

[@Judge_Judy]

i thought there was another bullet mark on the windshield chrome surround

[@fobrien1]

there was indeed a dent on the chrome . the secret service tried to lie and say it had happened atleast a day earlier on the 21st . however film / photo from that day prove otherwise . officially there was a crack in the windshield however several witnesses at parkland including police said they saw a hole .

[@jamessullivan9992]

Dulles+Johnson+J.Edger Hover it had to be all 3

[@nomadicgringo9312]

agree with you absolutely. You honest,James but not only the above-mentioned s.o.b. but also 3 more one was cover-up.

[@morganthompson9957]

You left Stewie out

[@andrewgillis8572]

so I get it - there was no JFK shallow wound to the back at right shoulder blade 4 inches below collar

[@randyharris3175]

right

[@vernpascal1531]

@@randyharris3175 the Death Certificate,Autopsy Face Sheet,Jacket,Shir,t and both FBI Agents report put the wound at T3...Some 5 inches below the neck. So, anything else is a revision.

[@randyharris3175]

@@vernpascal1531 I believe Boswell explained that.Did you ever read his WC testimony something about his suit coat being bunched up

[@vernpascal1531]

@@randyharris3175 How could that possibly top what I told you?

[@mikefarrell366]

Gerald Ford moved the back wound from the back 4 to 5 inches below the shoulder blade, to the back of the neck to support the the single bullet theory. This has been common knowledge for quite awhile now. Also the Zapruder Film was hacked the weekend of the murder. Because the real film shows the car stop and JFK is hit in the head twice. This was very well documented by Doug Horne’s interview with Dino Brugioni, which used to be on KZbin but was taken down by the powers that be. Brugioni who recalled how vivid and sharp the real film was, also said the scatter from JFK’s head was high in the air and lasted much longer than what is seen in The extant film. So basically if we had all seen the real Zapruder film, we would all know that there were multiple shooters, and It definitely was a Conspiracy ( The Big Event)

[@petemiksich5760]

The first shot hit a stoplight, then reflected off and made the impression on the curb. This can't be proven because during the long investigation the entire assembly was replaced and upgraded. no one at the time thought to examine it.

[@jdunn101ify]

How would you know then

[@cjmoor6]

One of the best presentations at the museum ever!!!

[@richardt.buryan832]

A perfect example of intellectual conversion from the sensible as objective to correct understanding as objective. Consult Lonergan on understanding understanding.

[@Joebanker80]

"But after they took my measure" (he said verbatim) .. "I received enormous cooperation ... At lest he said it. All that follows is bullshit.

[@Caeruleo]

@@Joebanker80 Can you explain in detail why you think so?

[@peterfraser9070]

You are just completely full of it and not fooling anyone

[@gravitypronepart2201]

I'm not sure your understanding of understanding can be understood by anyone else.

[@louismarucci9056]

This is the best discourse I have seen on the subject.

[@saca4908]

Absolutely.

[@geoffreyjohnstone5465]

If/when the remaing documents are released and/if they sho or prove a shot or shots came from in front of the motorcade.....will they make a Grassy Knoll Museum?

[@tjking1909]

Powerful

[@poppynurse]

Maybe I missed it, but what bullet injured Mr Tauge, all the way over by the Underpass?

[@vernpascal1531]

Supposedly a fragmented richochet from the 3rd Bullet that hit JFK in the head. But,like every key aspect, it's in contention and there is a lot of evidence against it...

[@goc355]

No, according to WC, the second bullet that missed the car entirely. That was the reason they had to invent the magic bullet theory, three shots for all the injuries

[@randyharris3175]

First bulket that misses

[@randyharris3175]

@@goc355 the magic bullet theory was not created it was a fact they just figured it out

[@rich52movie]

Oswalds test fire shot that hit the curb near James Tague

[@nicenonya3]

There were many shooters and they did have silencers in 1963,LHO was getting change for the coke machine as the shots were being fired!

[@jamespuckett5547]

Wrong

[@dr.med.detlefkohler6488]

@@jamespuckett5547 Right, it is wrong!

[@apointofinterest8574]

@John Walker: Wrong. After he shot JFK, Oswald ducked into the 2nd floor lunchroom and grabbed a Coke (to appear nonchalant) when he heard people coming up the stairs as he was coming down. Oswald never drank Coke, by the way, only Dr. Pepper; and that drink was available ONLY from the 1st floor soda machine.

[@jamespuckett5547]

Hey *John Walker* Ohio State sucks, little man!!

[@paulrev8112]

No he drank orange NeHi!

[@trickeydick5024]

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit. Coup d'etat 1963.

[@janetphillips2875]

Never bet the farm, Bob.

[@terrancefoody1561]

Oh dear! Shambolic presentation.

[@SuperReznative]

Yup.,. and probably paid very well to speak (spew).. Hah,,, and he wrote a book called "Deep Throat".. shambolic is appropriate term

[@paulaharrisbaca4851]

I have always wondered why more people don’t question the rather awkward home movie style splice done as he goes behind the Stemmons Freeway sign. Anyone who was raised with parents who had an 8 mm movie camera knows that that type of splice is generally done at the Kodak processing plant you mailed the film to. It never happens in the middle of a straight shot because in order to do that, Mom or Dad have to get in a closet or under a blanket and open the camera and flip the film over in order to continue filming. Now, I guess some amateurs might be fast, as fast as Oswald doing 3 shots in 6.5 seconds without aiming for the kill shot, but I doubt anyone can open a camera and spool up the film and close the camera and match up the shot on .05 seconds is superhuman….so why did the film get cut and spliced by the Secret Service/CIA right there, and was it to hide something or to take a piece of film leading up to the head shot and work on it for a month or two before it got placed in the archives….and waiting long enough that people’s memories became unsure?

[@jayjackson597]

bingo, somewhere on YT there is an interview with the guy that actually processed the film and he explains the fact it was edited after he did his part, been looking for it again but haven't found it yet

[@paulaharrisbaca4851]

I think it’s odd that the original researchers questioned the splice and suspected all kinds of reasons for it, but it’s one of the questions that modern investigators unfamiliar with 8mm home movie cameras seem to just regard it as an artifact of it being an old film. But like watching scenes edited out “Cinema Paridiso” is a great example, a brand new piece of film doesn’t just lose a couple of frames by accident. Especially if a professional Kodak film lab did the processing as opposed to CIA supervised processing….

[@peterfraser9070]

he simply stopped recording and restarted - it's been explained by him and his family. there's no mystery. try researching a tiny bit

[@peterfraser9070]

Paula you should stick to reality and not silly stories

[@peterfraser9070]

What splice are you referring to? Zapruder started filming and got the motorcycles turning the corner, then he stopped filming and then re-started filming after the limo came into his view. That's the only thing about that.

[@erikalesi7603]

There were three expended casings? Why would he bother recycling after the third shot?

[@steveloafe]

You know, that's a good question that I never thought about. It could be a simple reflex and there was (I think) another bullet in the chamber unfired. He may have thought of another shot but Kennedy dropped below the seat out of view. Not that I believe 100% that Oswald was the shooter but whoever fired the rifle...

[@erikalesi7603]

@@steveloafe I just watched a documentary that said initially Dallas PD identified that there were only two casings. But days later there were suddenly three.

[@steveloafe]

@@erikalesi7603 No shit. I wasn't aware of that.

[@erikalesi7603]

@@steveloafe It’s called ‘The Grassy Knoll: The Hidden JFK Files’. It’s on Amazon Prime.

[@rebeccapardue8438]

@@erikalesi7603 There is a FBI inventory sheet that lists 2 spent shell casings and 1 live round. There is also a photo that shows the 2 casings and the live round sitting on a table.I have copies of these. Strange isn't it. Mike Pardue ✌

[@zgray7992]

Why did the car slow down???

[@bobbythorman7421]

Well, your F.B.I payed him well didn't they.

[@dorfmanjones]

I don't understand how anyone seeing the Zapruder film can think the final shot - what has been called the 'kill' shot - came from the rear. The impact is clearly from the front right. Kennedy still had a faint pulse when brought into Parkland. That means the cerebellum (in the back of the skull) which controls involuntary systems was functioning a bit. I know Holland dismisses the acoustic tape from the motorcycle cop that was collected by the FBI. Forensic analysis of the tape registered 4 shots. Holland says it came from somewhere else. Details, please! There were at least two shooters.

[@cordell6181]

Watch the documentary by Colin McLaren called "JFK The Smoking Gun." It changed my mind about what happened that day and what happened afterwards. The documentary should be free online somewhere? The documentary is based on the book called "Mortal Error." The book is based on ballistics expert's Howard Donahue's findings. His findings determined that he third shot was a accidental misfire from the secret service follow car. Kennedy's head wound was from a hollow point round from the rear. Oswald was firing full metal jack rounds. Oswald did get off two shots. First shot missing and the second shot hitting Kennedy in the back of the neck. The secret service rifle that misfired was loaded with hollow point rounds. I forget the secret service agent's name who's rifle misfired? But he's named in the documentary. The documentary is good watch. I recommend it. Two thumbs up.

[@mizzutigerfan1]

Any shot from behind, the exit wound would’ve blown his face off.

[@thearkworldlife8338]

@@mizzutigerfan1 Low calibre wound was seen by the doctors at the lower right area of the skull. Other frangible bullet obviously came in from the right front but 2 rounds hit the head.

[@thearkworldlife8338]

@@cordell6181 Lol, that's the worst of all the explanations. I think several hundred people would've said something if they saw a Secret Service agent stand up and blow away his commander in chief. If a round from a battlefield assault rifle like an Armalite AR-15 hit Kennedy then it would've still been going through the car and ended up something in the tarmac ahead of the car or in the engine bay or another person in the car. It's a terrible scenario and is simply a sick joke.

[@peterfraser9070]

I don't understand how anyone seeing the Zapruder film can think the final shot - what has been called the 'kill' shot - came from the rear.: because they looked at the frames and saw his head knock forward - and brains and skull visibly and clearly fly forward - and NO debris coming from the left side of his head. And it is visible that the big exit hole is top, right front, after all, a piece of skull hanging by skin is visible hanging down from the wound and over his ear. Watch the film.

[@user-kr9iu9qe3q]

Why a flash from front seat?

[@melliott333]

I'd enjoy reading his opinions far more than I enjoyed watching/listening to them. Information is fascinating; delivery not so much.

[@peterfraser9070]

you have a different belief which contradicts his research, so you criticize him personally.

[@tvnist]

The last two shots were to close together for only one rifle to do the work

[@vernpascal1531]

Yes...that's probably the easiest way to show conspiracy... I mean the Z Film should be obvious enough and the Magic Bullet Theory,but the entrenched lies are so deep.

[@michaelbarnhart2593]

Actually, 4.8 seconds between shots 2 & 3 on Zapruder film at normal speed. Plenty of time.

[@vernpascal1531]

No no no...there were 4.8 seconds between the first and 2nd shots!

[@vernpascal1531]

Anyway, The head shot obviously came from the right fron,t and there is at least a dozen good reasons to not believe The Magic Bullet Theory.

[@michaelbarnhart2593]

@@vernpascal1531 Look at the film again. The first shot already happened by the time that Zapruder filmed the limousine in his camera.

[@jayjackson597]

it is well known if you are a student of this subject that the government edited the film, the main edit came as the car was behind the sign. if you watch the film it is extremely obvious it has been edited at this point due to the image is blacked out for a fraction of a second and the whole image jumps so much. there is another edit after the last shot as the driver looks back, to remove the evidence that the driver almost stops the car, presumably to let the security agent get on the car. there are vids on youtube where they interview the man who was involved in the editing

[@timhawks6101]

Please give me a link to that youtube video you mention. This would be a huge jump proving evidence tampering.

[@jayjackson597]

@@timhawks6101 I will see if I can find it and get back. somewhere around the time the car went behind the sign there is an obvious edit because the image jumps and a black frame appears where it should be a normal flow of images uninterrupted. I used to have a similar camera back then and an 8mm film roll was made double width. when the first side was done you had to take it out and flip it over to expose the second half, they tried to make us believe this was what caused it but that makes no sense and an obvious lie.

[@timhawks6101]

@@jayjackson597 Thanks for your reply. Look forward to whatever you can give me.

[@jayjackson597]

@@timhawks6101 I did find a vid on youtube where they show the film and at the 5:50 mark, I was able to double click and watch each frame leading up to the edit which does come as the car is behind the sign. not sure the ramifications of an edit at that point but does prove it was edited. there may be other edits done more cleanly that are not obvious we will probably never know. the title is, JFK Shocking Assassination Film. there are others out there I have seen which concentrate on what may have been edited out but haven't found them yet

[@timhawks6101]

@@jayjackson597 Thanks for this one. If you find anymore, please forward to me.

[@timofranc1959]

I wonder why no further collaboration for this theory of when the fist shot was fired didn't include Tague....he must have previously stated when he received his wound where the position of Kennedy's car was...

[@jacobjones5269]

The real issue is it’s not better evidence when a layman examines a grainy video, as opposed to dozens of expert forensic pathologists who are looking at x-rays and are all unanimous in their conclusions.. That’s the best evidence in the entire case..

[@davidgoetz2576]

Very interesting. An important contribution to the history of the event. A good example of how to synthesize different pieces of evidence. The early first-shot conclusion finally gives Oswald a solid amount of time to get off all 3 shots and provides important support to the lone-gunman conclusion. I agree with the presenter that it is unfortunate that the Warren Commission had not settled this issue when the had the chance. But they had a lot to do and limited time in which to do it. And I think a lot of the criticism of the Commission and the development of all the conspiracy theories would have happened anyway, in large part thanks to Jack Ruby.

[@jetcat132]

Thats a good observation and a lucid post.

[@cjcar63]

No mention of the HSCA's expert photographic panel and their findings regarding the Zapruder film? How do you explain the perfectly round HOLE at the center of the dent in the chrome trim above the windshield of the presidential limousine? I'm sure you've seen the photograph. That's your missed shot Mr. Holland.

[@randyharris3175]

They said that was there before

[@peterfraser9070]

Where are you getting your "perfectly round HOLE at the center of the dent in the chrome trim above the windshield"?? Nice try.

[@cjcar63]

@@peterfraser9070 supply an e-mail address and I will gladly send you a photo of it.

[@happyhankjr]

HOW DID THE SHOOTER MISS THE 1st SHOT? As recovered from the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) on Nov. 22, 1963 the rifle's telescopic sight was so far off that it is unlikely any shots from this rifle hit President Kennedy. On Nov. 27, 1963, with the rifle as recovered, no adjustments to the sights, Frazier and 2 other Special Agents test fired the rifle for speed (of operation) and accuracy at 15 yards (45 feet). 3 shots each. (Warren Commission Volume 3 page 404 Testimony of Robert A. Frazier). The bullet impacts for each shooter were measured from the same point on all 3 targets. Results were the point of impact was 4 inches above their point of aim and 1 inch to the right. (note: one of the Agents had a point of aim 1.5 inches lower then the others). The ranges of the 3 shots at President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963 were 175 feet, 240feet, and 265 feet. The projected points of impact above the point of aim at those ranges are 15.5 inches high and 3.9 inches right at 175 feet, 21.3 inches high and 5.3 inches to the right at 240 feet, and 23.5 inches high and 5.9 inches right at 65 feet. If the shooter aimed his shots (and why would they not aim) no shot from that rifle on Nov. 22, 1963 could have hit a head/upper chest target. The rifle was Oswald's 6.5x52mm Carcano model 91/38 serial number C2766 with attached 4x18 Ordnance Optics telescopic sight (Warren Commission Exhibit 139) recovered No. 22, 1963 from the 6th floor of the TSBD by the Dallas Police and the Dallas Sheriffs Dept. The Dallas Police turned this rifle over to the FBI on the morning of Nov. 23, 1963. FBI firearms expert Special Agent Robert A. Frazier assigned to he FBI Laboratory, Washington, D.C. examined the rifle that day. This would explain the 1st shot missing and, I believe, the 3rd shot missing Kennedy and hitting Texas Governor Connally being hit in the back. The 2nd shot, fired from the grassy knoll, hit Kennedy in the neck and the 4th shot, fired from the grassy knoll, hit Kennedy in the head. If a 3rd shot was fired from the 6th floor window it was before the 1st shot at 175 feet or after the head shot and it too missed.

[@aaronz7056]

Where do people read this stuff? The rifle was in perfect working order (conspirators are unlikely to be stupid enough to leave behind a phony rifle that plainly couldn't pull off a shooting). Oswald was a good marksman but an inexperienced murderer. He got a little too pumped as the car passed under him and let loose with a shot that was deflected by the tree branch. The victims' wounds all line up on a perfect trajectory straight back to his window, as does the third, head shot.

[@happyhankjr]

@@aaronz7056 Do Google search for Warren Commission Volume 3 page 390 Testimony Rober A. Frazier then go to page 402. A 4 inch high error at 15 yards (45 feet) projects to a 21.5 inch high error at 240 feet and 23.5 inches high at 265 feet, the distance of the Kennedy head shot. This was the ONLY test on an UNALTERED rifle, as it was on the day of the assassination. Tests after this were after shims were added and the sight adjusted which invalidates all future tests.

[@aaronz7056]

@@happyhankjr Exactly how many people were in on this conspiracy of yours anyway? Now you've got them approaching and recruiting exactly the right people - and only the right people - and persuading them to risk their lives and careers falsifying evidence in a highly scrutinized case and becoming willing accessories to capital murder and treason. It's quite ridiculous.

[@peterfraser9070]

the scope got off accidentally after the shooting, not b4. Think about it.

[@paulnail7273]

Oswald didn’t miss any of his three shots!

[@xanaduxanadu3605]

My grandfather always said it was a mercy killing.

[@SuperReznative]

yeh... by mercineries

[@lukula2934]

That is an incredibly profound statement, for obvious and not so obvious reasons. Bet your grand dad was cool.

[@mchapman132]

Oswald was behind Kennedy. The famous image of Kennedy holding his throat with both arms up, and Gov. Connolly turned looking back, then the right side of Kennedy’s head explodes. The piece of skull went behind him toward the left side of the trunk of the car, Jackie’s climbs out trying to retrieve it. The shot that took out the side of his head came from in front of Kennedy, not from behind him. Even his autopsy was manipulated to fit the single shooter theory.

[@mchapman132]

@@Supertruckerx - Some people are critical thinkers, they think outside the box. Others seem to accept what they are told face value, maybe fearful of being called a conspiracy theory nut. There is nothing wrong with investigative research and looking deeper into an issue. The aftermath of the JFK Assassination was so clumsy, it begged for a closer look……still does.

[@mchapman132]

@@Supertruckerx - I just watched a clip of the Zapruder film, slowed down frame by frame. When Kennedy put his arms up to his throat, Connolly reacted almost simultaneously. He was hit too apparently, and the sound most likely startled all of them, even the driver. The shot that hit JFK’s head does look like it comes from the right side front of him. The spray of blood and brain matter blows to the rear left not toward the front where Nellie Connolly and Gov. Connolly were seated. The slow speed of the limo altered the direction of the spray minimally. His head jerks toward the left, toward Jackie’s face (poor woman) and then he collapses. If the bullet came from the rear, it would have exited the front of Kennedy’s face or hit one of those seated in front. That didn’t happen. The Warren Report stated the kill shot bullet was lodged behind the President’s eye. His autopsy pictures do not indicate any trauma to either eye. A large bullet would definitely go right through his head. Remember, the same Warren Report claimed the same caliber bullet, from the same rifle, from the same position went through Kennedy’s back, out his throat, into Gov. Connolly’s back, out his chest, broke ribs, broke bones in his right wrist then lodged in his opposite thigh. The bullet, they claim exploded Kennedy’s head, was never removed “out of respect for him”. They never retrieved it because it wasn’t in his head. It blew out the back of his head. If it was ever located, you know darn well it was destroyed. The whole thing stinks.

[@jlmsmith2113]

Good to see a few people can still critically analyze a situation.

[@mchapman132]

@@Supertruckerx - Dead people can’t testify.

[@jb-vb8un]

"cqiticak thinking" = NO FACTS OR EVIDENCE oogala boogala

[@michaeldavis1609]

Its the time between 2nd and 3rd shot that matters

[@david-spliso1928]

Bingo. Most earwitnesses stated that the last two shots were very close together, less than a second. Time and time again they recount the same timing of the shots. That's powerful corroborative testimony. And I'm sure you know the implication for a single bolt-action rifle.

[@randyharris3175]

And you dont have no idea what that period was.

[@randyharris3175]

@@david-spliso1928 Nobody said the last two shots were within a second apart who were telling the truth.The guy in the fifth floor window said they were fairly even.

[@Caeruleo]

@@david-spliso1928 "Most earwitnesses stated that the last two shots were very close together, less than a second." Wrong. "Most" would be the majority, 50 percent plus at least one additional person. But out of c.243 Dealey Plaza witnesses who made statements about the sounds of gunfire that they heard, only c.30 witnesses total said the last two shots were very close together as in nearly simultaneous, or less than a second apart, or less than two seconds apart. That would be only c.12 percent of the witnesses, nowhere even remotely close to "most," nowhere even remotely close to the majority.

[@user6008]

@@Caeruleo Fine disinformation sir, well done.

[@robertafierro5592]

You really can't get away with the same thing today.

[@smallchunkaground2071]

This all took place before I was born but I find myself drawn to it and the many different theories. The only thing I can make a comment on and have experienced is that if you are anywhere near a bullets impact it pops extremely loud and most certainly could be mistaken for a gunshot. Ive often thought this is what people were hearing and were mistaking them for gunshots. You would definitely hear them well before the sound of the rifle.

[@jlo7770]

2/3s of Americans were born after this happened, I'm in the same boat as you. I've done quite a bit of research into all of this over the years because mainly I watched the film and saw that the wound doesn't match someone shooting from behind. But to your point, yes there can be an impact noise depending on what it strikes. Some people say 2 shots some say 3, some claim up to 6. I know the echo in that proximity would make it difficult to tell how many and from where. We know there was 3 for sure though one went through his neck one his head and one missed completely and hit a bystander. If we go off impacts on hard surfaces, there would be 4 shots. The missed impact and the shot, and then the 2 that hit flesh that would only make a slight thud. I think the acoustics in that area would make it difficult for normal people to distinguish what is or isn't a a gun shot. I'd imagine even in 63 very few people in that area hunted/ war veterans/ rec shooters. If you watch or listen to video from the Vegas shooting it acts somewhat the same way the echo is insane and some how an ar15 was able to have the same sound as a m249 saw, but that's a whole other can of worms. Point being I think a lot of people would have a difficult time distinguishing what is or isn't a shot and where they came from given the circumstances

[@smallchunkaground2071]

@@jlo7770 The impact of a bullet that hits flesh and bone is an extreme Crack. Louder than a firecracker for sure. I experienced this first hand when a careless hunter shot a deer that was directly under my treestand. I was watching it when he shot and the impact was tremendous and it's a sound I'll never forget. Well before I even heard the the gun go off.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@jlo7770 A shot is heard from the TSBD and his head is knocked forward (watch frame by frame) and at the same time those extremely visible pieces go shooting up and forward - and we see the top right part of his head is blasted out. Now are you gonna say, "no, the Z Film was doctored"?? If so, they forgot to remove the 'back and to the left' muscle reflex.

[@user-ny6lo9vv8x]

@@peterfraser9070 lol the back and to the left was from the front shot. multiple shooters.

[@user-ny6lo9vv8x]

@@peterfraser9070 and yes, the Z film was doctored

[@brianarbenz1329]

The commenters on this thread are instantly experts on medicine, forensics, ballistics, government, law, and film interpretation -- after reading the words of others who instantly became experts on all these matters.

[@jethro1963]

Conspiratards, God bless 'em

[@paulgeorgia8013]

Paranoia knows no bounds

[@TheMovieMan91]

CIRCULAR REASONING !!!! He's saying all this on a basis that Oswald did in fact do it.

[@jgrisso07]

Movie Man Oswald did in fact do it.

[@reginaldcortez8763]

bull shit

[@johndeagle4389]

Oswald did do it. Read Reclaiming History.

[@phillipfruge8670]

What does V.I.P stand for??

[@Dr.Pepper001]

He begins his talk at 6:02.

[@jopflah416]

I didn’t see anyone in the sixth floor window on the Z film. This guy didn’t either. In fact no one saw anyone fire a rifle from that window.

[@johndeagle4389]

Howard Brennan saw Oswald. Amos Euins saw a pipe. Robert Jackson saw the rifle. Malcolm Couch saw a rifle.

[@lorichet]

@@johndeagle4389 And Officer Robert Craig found a Mauser planted on the 6th floor, not a Carcano. I think the conspirators planted a Mauser there -- then changed it to a Carcano when they realized Oswald didn't own a Mauser. Proving once again that one doesn't have to be smart to be conspirator.

[@peterfraser9070]

you lying POS

[@denmar355]

If there is anyone one still left that believes the results of the Warren Commission findings you must not question anything. There is so much wrong with what went on in that group that it’s appalling. From the terrible way the body was handled, to the explanations of the wounds, to the super fast and furious way the whole entire thing was pinned on a poor shot(Oswald), there is absolutely no way any of it happened the way the commission said. Way off.

[@aaronz7056]

And all credible evidence still points right at Oswald.

[@gmurray96]

And there’s nothing you can point to that will refute the clear evidence that three shots came from the Sixth Floor. Missed shot, back/throat/Conley shot, and head shot.

[@mezchr]

These are the six panels the WC established to conduct its inquiry: What did Oswald do on November 22, 1963? What was Oswald’s background? What did Oswald do in the U.S. Marine Corps, and in the Soviet Union? How did Ruby kill Oswald? What is Ruby’s background? What efforts were taken to protect the President on November 22? There's something missing. I'll let you guess what that could be, but WC shills will never get it.

[@soonermagic6196]

Oswald 100 percent did this. It's overwhelming evidence and impossible for any conspiracy once you see just how much was left to chance and just dumb luck. Warren Commission pretty much got it right

[@aaronz7056]

@@soonermagic6196 I'm still awaiting the day any conspiracy theorist explains how some evil coup went around approaching scores of police, FBI, Secret Service, CIA, military personnel, doctors, witnesses, x-ray technicians, ballistics experts, journalists, whole commissions, and persuaded them all to obey illegal orders to commit crimes and make themselves all accessories to murder and treason.

[@alfredrodriguez7106]

I have watched and read all the representations of what every experts has said and the only conclusion I can come too is that I can't come to any conclusion....!! But one thing I can't understand... According to Texas law...if a gunshot wound leads to death then the body remains in Texas custody for the atopsopsy... SALUTE TO THAT DR who Tried in vien to keep the presidents body at the hospital. Secret service taking that body in such a rush will always for me strongly suggest there's more to this horrible tragedy then meets the eye. The American tax paying public having to wait till 2029 for classified documents to be released is a national embarrassment.

[@aaronz7056]

After the assassination nobody knew if this wasn't the opening volley of WWIII, a very real possibility. Nobody knew who they could trust in Dallas. It was important to get Johnson back to D.C., he wouldn't leave Jackie behind, very possibly still surrounded by danger, and she wouldn't leave without her husband's body. With visions of mushroom clouds in everybody's minds, the last thing they were sweating was some local official nobody knew stepping in front of them and saying, "Hold up there, folks, you ain't goin' nowhere." Their understandable attitude was sue us, we'll come back later and apologize assuming nuclear war hasn't broken out in the meantime.

[@StabyMcStabsFace]

Why were there two bodies? Please look into things before you comment, silly kids.

[@AnthonyL0401]

I find it difficult to believe that the so called assassin-eye view can be authoritative in any way, as they are an approximation at best.

[@SuperReznative]

so many variables 🤔👍. 🙏🇨🇦❤️

[@peterfraser9070]

what does that actually mean?

[@dustinkfc6633]

Look at the video done 6 years ago by the museum, Ricky Chisim says his mom seen the sparks hit the pavement. Did she ever show the police the part of the pavement that the first shot missed? I bet this would be helpful for this researcher.

[@roydoolen5965]

They said the bullet was too deep in the concrete

[@roydoolen5965]

What happened to the sign

[@peterfraser9070]

Maybe. This researcher really knows what he's talking about. you're right.

[@Dogheadj]

@@peterfraser9070 Elm Street has been repaved so many times since November '63 that any evidence of a bullet strike in the street would be virtually impossible to find. However, on my visits to Dealey Plaza, I have seen the gouge left by a bullet strike on the concrete apron surrounding a manhole. There are several photos of this that were taken almost immediately following the assassination. These are the ones that show an unidentified man in a suit reaching down and appearing to be retrieving something from the ground near this manhole. The man picks up the object (bullet), cups it in his hand and walks away with it. This man has never been identified.

[@peterfraser9070]

I think the spark happened when Mr. Holland says the 1st bullet was fired.

[@noellewis6358]

Kennedy's head snapping backwards when shot supports the shot coming from the front of the car and that's the railway bridge.

[@aaronz7056]

Direction a person's head goes after being shot is meaningless regarding what direction the bullet came from, it's not the same thing as being punched by a fist.

[@Cummings7]

If any shots came from the grassy knoll, why are the two guys at the end of the film running into the line of fire?

[@johncostello3174]

They are hearing shots and don't know where they are coming from. Most people on the grass just got down

[@paulnail7273]

Zero shots were fired from the grassy knoll.

[@johncostello3174]

@@paulnail7273 No. At least one shot came from there. that's why the railroad workers on the underpass ran round there. And why possibly as many as 80 people ran up the steps to the knoll. Blood and part of JFK's skull was blown back and away from the knoll (south) because of a shot from that direction.

[@MrLifesavers1]

Not everyone is a great public speaker. Many authors on this topic cannot capture the emotion they see in their mind while writing. Its like watching paint dry.

[@FUNKINETIK]

I hope you have watched Dr Cyril Wecht at the 6th Floor Museum. What a guy, now there’s a person with true emotion and integrity.

[@KenDanieli]

@@FUNKINETIK A true nutter.

[@FUNKINETIK]

@@KenDanieli yep crazy as f*ck… and that porn film he starred in… personally I can’t watch it.

[@peterfraser9070]

I MUCH prefer him to watching Dr. Wecht shout and sputter thru the years...what a quack.

[@watchgoose]

@@peterfraser9070 rude: he has way more education and experience than you do.

[@slundgr]

If Oswald fired the shots from the Book Depository, why did he wait until the target was going away from him instead of coming to him or as they turned?

[@peterzha]

Take a broomstick and try to aim and track object that's moving towards you on the floor and then repeat the same with one moving away. You'll notice it is much harder to track and hold the rifle steady in the first case, as you need to ease your left hand and the target tends to go below the scope. It's pretty much the same as why it's easier to shoot target moving left to right with a handgun as opposed to one moving from right to left. It also takes much more courage and dumbness to fire a rifle in a plain and unobscured sight of the security service agents, directly in their face..

[@wetley09]

@@peterzha i agree. While hunting I've always waited to shoot until a deer was either quartering away or directly running away because they're much easier to track with the rifle so you're absolutely right. I've never understood why people always make this argument other than they've never shot anything moving with a rifle especially with a magnified optic.

[@gordonduke8812]

While the car approached, the president would have been somewhat obscured by the windshield, secret service members, the governor. I would imagine he had the scope on the president during that time and did not take the shot due to all the obstacles. But I bet he really considered it before deciding to wait. You have to realize his target was the president, and this would be his only opportunity.

[@grobbs666]

Also there's another reason not mentioned by others. If the motorcade heard the first shot, it could have very quickly sped up and kept going down Houston Street, or even make a right on Elm. In a couple seconds it would have been out of view of Oswald and he wouldn't have a chance for a 2nd or 3rd shot. However, once the motorcade turned left onto Elm, there was no where to escape quickly. All they could do was speed up and keep going straight, all while still being within view of Oswald until it finally reached the triple overpass.

[@MrDuds1984]

I always wondered that because the car was coming straight at Oswald on Houston street before the turn and would like to think he had a straight on opportunity through his scope.

[@jamesallen8219]

what about the injury to James Tague?

[@rawbacon]

Fragment from the headshot.

[@ghahandi]

Allen Dulles made sure the truth was hidden.