Froning Vs Fraser || Who’s your GOAT?

[@gray45374]

I have watched a lot of GOAT debate videos across many sports. This is by far the best. Excellent analysis.

[@wchandler2010]

Rich essentially did what Jordan did for the NBA or Connor did or UFC, he got casual fans interested in CrossFit and grew the fanbase, he was essentially the face of CrossFit. As a matter of fact when I discovered CrossFit it was 10 years ago when a friend sent me a video of Rich Froning doing a workout

[@seanwigman1027]

Fraser for me, he just took things to another level training and competing wise

[@joshmartin3222]

The answer to the question is Tia.

[@taristazin2073]

No. Mat and Rich would absolutely mop the floor with Tia. She is not nearly as strong, fast, or powerful.

[@jackbauer5455]

​@taristazin2073 of course men are stronger and fitter than women thats biology but in terms of dominance of their sport and the category no one come close to how dominant Tia has been in the women cross fit games

[@stevegaspar]

Matt was competitive in the endurance events of which Rich never was is the most telling part. Also, in 2015 at the open (Ranch) Rich was retiring but still the defending champion. There was a Clean and Jerk workout after the event b/w Matt and Rich. You could easily see Matt crushed Rich and especially obvious was the technical aspects and ease of which Matt could lift. I knew then no matter what Rich will never beat Matt at anything again. Also, as you mentioned the mental aspect. Rich stopped in 2014 due to the mental strain. He was only 27 and very rarely do people quit that early in their careers. Could Rich mentally deal with someone who was manical at winning at all costs? To the point they wore protective gloves to prevent any injury while cutting steak? Ya not a chance.

[@stevepasche]

Just found your channel. I absolutely love it!!! I live for this stuff. I vote Fronning all day. Buuuuuuuut he is my idol, so I'm biased. That Friendly Fran performance by Fraser is displays a scary level of fitness. Again, amazing work! Keep it up!

[@masonstartup1410]

Thanks, Im glad you liked it! Froning is my idol too. But im glad you can still appreciate Mats performances as well, your right that friendly fran is insane. Let me know what kind of videos you would like to see in the future!

[@DH1985-MB]

Love your final summary and think you're bang on. At his best, Fraser is the best, no question. But who is the GOAT and done most for Xfit - Froning without question!

[@nikolainavarro6558]

The Greatest / Best analogy at the end was perfect!

[@katez.3741]

I love your videos! Thank you for taking the time to make them.

[@aronlisy6108]

So good video! So on point! You couldn't say it any better!

[@janusnordow]

I LOVE your style of videos. So well structured arguments, thorough research etc. Please keep it going, mate :)

[@declanosullivan8749]

Froning was better. Fraser was a weightlifting specialist, won a junior national championship, while Froning never touched a barbell until he was 21 and he still beat Fraser when they faced off on a max C&J attempt. Froning always had another gear when needed

[@jamesperrin8268]

Analysis of the strength of their respective fields would be interesting too

[@joshhubbard]

This was an awesome video. Deserves more views and attention. The goat answer is Froning. Not even close.

[@Bern1808]

I think this is a very fair analysis. The only thing I'm left wondering about is how much better Rich would have been had he had another elite great like Mat pushing him to an even higher level. We'll never know.

[@robgronkowski947]

I wonder the same thing bro

[@robgronkowski947]

I wonder the same thing bro. I think Rich left some effort in the tank since he could afford to

[@brunoRobot]

Matt didn't care about affiliates or Crossfit community. He trained alone most of the time and was a trash talker. But then after retirement he became "nice" when he had something to sell (his programming). Once he left the competition, he almost gave up crossfit which looks like just a job to pay the rent for him. He was beautiful to see and he crushed others but nothing else...

[@NicholasStarnes-m6q]

These answers are absolutely insane. The sport only progressed as time went on. Fraser is far and away the most dominant male competitor in the individual category that CrossFit as a sport has ever produced.

[@mistameanor1]

Looking at event wins doesn’t take into account how many times May could sandbag events because he was so far ahead. He’s been open about gaming that system whenever he could.

[@masonharris6961]

one other thing to mention is that when Rich was competing the other athletes werent dedicating to the sport like they were during Mat's time. Shows what Rich did for the sport which was getting people interested and dedicated.

[@markbauer5314]

Without Froning there would be no Fraser.. Fraser is great because Froning was great. So its gonna be Froning for me.

[@giedriusbaliukevicius5324]

Since both stoped competing, CF become boring 🥱 Both Legends, but RF for me simply the best, just because of his versatility and continuous competing in teams, cycling, etc

[@comradedyatlov712]

The GOAT is Tren

[@boyardengels]

Who is the GOAT is in the eyes of the beholder but I loved your varied and thorough analysis. 2 Exceptional humans, for sure. Having said that, the first comment here is also on point.... TIA! :D Now how to compete these three... hmmmmmm :D Thanks anyway

[@dolari1984]

Awesome video!

[@masonstartup1410]

Thank you!

[@djones3291]

I respect this detailed take but respectfully I think Mat is the GOAT and its not even close • Personally I do not think Teams titles or impact on the sport is really relevant to the debate of the 'Greatest' individual • One thing not mentioned here is how the level of competition has SKYROCKETED. Your other video about Amanda at the Games in 2010 highlights this. Yes Froning could only beat who was infront of him, but the reality is any of Mat's competitors in any year would have dusted Rich in 2011. Probably any semifinals athlete from 2024 would win the 2011 games by landslide. • Obviously its speculation but I think Froning would have been an average CF games athlete post 2014, and that's why he retired. It's not a hot take whatsoever to say Mat could have won as long as he wanted to. • My actual hot take is Medeiros winning 2 titles in the early 2020s is a better achievement than Froning winning 4 in the early 2010s. Love the videos though. Keep em coming!

[@masonstartup1410]

That last take is HOTTT

[@TooManyCats77]

Yeah-the difference. . . Froning would have turned around and picked up the 10 lb. Bag.

[@studiotranphoto]

Froning

[@activerecoverylife]

Great video, man! Appreciate the impact on the culture. Rich has always been a great example AND member of the CrossFit community. Froning = 🐐

[@daniellara9847]

Rich is the biggest, bascally a sport embassador, but Fraser is the best, peak Fraser was another level of dominance and fitness

[@donjuco242]

I started crossfit when froning won its first game. And I also saw Fraser compete.....perhaps Froning left a good legacy but in terms of performance and dominance who was best Fraser by far.

[@drew8996]

I don’t think the win percentage matters, but instead average event placement.

[@fgonz007]

They're both amazing but Froning also won the games when the softball throw was an event.

[@XandanLion]

Rich's the GOAT. He's the guy that built crossfit into the sport it is nowadays. Fraser is a beast, probably better competitor but the impact is completely differente.

[@lukeoconnell-l4i]

I love CrossFit content because coming to the comment and seeing people saying “oF CoURse there GoOd cause of the amount of gear” forgetting that it’s how they get paid. So I imagine they know every bit of knowledge for the sport to win. IDK it’s funny to me

[@RyanAlvarez-qt9di]

Can’t be the GOAT unless you beat the GOAT

[@robgronkowski947]

you clearly don't know how the NFL works then lol

[@Daniel-uo8um]

To me Froning is the GOAT but it can go either way

[@zebfross]

CrossFit exploded after Froning but is dying after Fraser, so that alone tells me it's Rich. Great analysis though!

[@n90210]

Bigger field with tougher competitors, harder events, more difficult scoring systems… Fraser for sure

[@SamuelSullivan0888]

i love both athletes but its gonna be froning for me

[@BCsoccer05]

I always go back to when Froning beat Fraser in max clean and jerk in the open

[@LPedroF]

Fraser é o papa troféu. Fronning é a “ideia”

[@David-iu8kc]

Rich fronting would win against Fraser. When Richwas pushed he always pushed back harder!

[@mistameanor1]

Rich is great and paved the way. Fraser is the goat.

[@patriciosanchezortega3553]

The goat of CrossFit is Tia, she did not just won 6 straight individual titles, she also is an olimpian, she is the GOAT

[@taristazin2073]

Actually, I bet my retirement that Mat and Rich would both mop the floor with Tia.

[@joaquinecc]

Idk men, I wasn't in the Rich fronning era, but Mat just dominate every events. Each live competition is was certain that mat was on the top, and the others competitors just compete for the second place

[@robgronkowski947]

I saw both eras and let me tell ya, it would have been one hell of a battle between those two

[@leshlycook5068]

Fraser was very lucky for his 5th games win, he only had to beat 5 over 10 events in aromas…it will always be Froning for me..

[@leejensen69]

This is so cool!

[@jacovanwyk46]

Everyone here knows that a peak Matt would smoke Froning.

[@davemwng8623]

Can't talk "GOAT" without mentioning Tia

[@LeviTimko]

Froning, not even close. His accomplishments are 100x more than just First Place finishes like Mat and Tia. The magnitude of impact Rich has had on Crossfit as a whole isn't even on the same scale as Mat/Tia.

[@HeatherChavez-zi3yw]

Mat is the better athlete, but Rich is better for the sport.

[@Robert-jl6hg]

Froning... hands down..

[@jdmiddletontr]

Completely agree with the fact they never competed in their prime so it's hard to debate on their fitness alone. Although Rich was "in his prime" in 2018-2020, he was burnt out from competing as an individual and probably would have fallen. He's definitely talked about knowing what it was going to take to compete as the sport grew past 2014, but he wasn't willing to make that sacrifice. Mat would have crushed him, unfortunately. But you can't deny what Rich did to actually grow the sport. Without him, CrossFit might not have been as popular, and Mat would have probably been a really fit engineer 🤣Plus before Rich went team, no buddy talked about the Team Competition. The Team Competition is now legitimately competitive, and a lot of Team Competitors that compete now could make the Games as individuals. Rich > Mat Great content brother. Better analysis than Talking Elite Fitness (hot take) 🤣

[@evelynn4273]

My eyeball test sees a lot of enlarged jaw and brow lines 🤷

[@Mr.PotatoAWESOMEFitnessTips]

Froning is the Big Z of Crossfit, is that what you saying?

[@ashleyharper584]

Froning, obviously.

[@kalokalelx1099]

Froning goat His times were more difficult

[@Mr.PotatoAWESOMEFitnessTips]

This is just cool content... fuckin awesome, bruh!

[@kcmiles9832]

Matt.

[@davidmaxwell1354]

🤘 *Promosm*