Taking steroids is cheating | Natural vs Steroid Bodybuilders | Middle Ground

[@imrgohard270]

Add Jeff nippard and coach greg and this would’ve been a generational video.

[@gregdoucette]

Yes

[@kari-boon]

@@gregdoucette LOL

[@ashleyturner2627]

totally agree, I didn't get the point of Shane he wasn't their to discuss and looked bored, and Alex, whether it was edited this way, said 1 thing

[@bakumemes8572]

​@@gregdoucetteIm waiting for a video greg

[@Stonemon16]

Get Dr Mike and Gregg on the same episode 😂😂

[@mihirnayee938]

Noel Deyzel would’ve been a great addition here as someone who has openly taken steroids, but also does not advocate for it

[@thirtythreeteam]

Agreed

[@agustinjr.enriquez6238]

Noel is the father of all gym bros

[@lanadellola]

@@agustinjr.enriquez6238*daddy

[@anonymous563b]

what about Greg Doucette 🔥

[@Lilbhrisman]

@@anonymous563bhe was on before, so they could’ve contacted him

[@dennisa8789]

No way this alligned with togi's sleep schedule

[@SenorSmooovington]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@davidthompson184]

Lmfao

[@Gfitstrength]

LMAO

[@ZaddyTrump]

BRUH lol

[@t_rok]

i hate that junky

[@alisquared3730]

Marc the guy in blue is one of the reasons i would never take steroids

[@Soul_Flow_]

Why? He is charismatic

[@Amiri0411]

​@@Soul_Flow_ he's lunatic

[@beewalk34]

😂😂😂😂😂​@@Soul_Flow_

[@Soul_Flow_]

@ , you are the problem, people like you would hate on Wes Watson too. You need to grow up

[@beewalk34]

​@@Soul_Flow_You probably don't even lift, and pay Wes your whole paycheck. Betas like you never have a real profile picture. 😂😂😂😂

[@tonyboudro]

"So you say steroids are dangerous, but what about water?" You got me there, Marc.

[@RocSandy]

That was honestly the most braindead take I've ever heard. That could be applied to literally anything like Meth.

[@lxstcheckll9348]

@@RocSandyDHMO is dangerous 🤯🤯

[@gibbsm]

@@RocSandy He's never not been brain dead. Been aware of that clown for over a decade at this point. He sucks. He also has the worst triceps in bodybuilding.

[@katebarlowmusic]

he was so loud i had to turn my volume down

[@kyawzwehan5525]

@@RocSandythat was the point

[@nickdftw215]

"Saying something is cool isn't necessarily promoting it." Dude that's basically the definition of promoting it

[@michalvrabec454]

yeah i was like... wtf is he saying

[@peoplebeforeprofit]

Honestly, he’s not the brightest bulb on the tree.

[@realrareap2420]

😂😂

[@roneitback]

Is it impossible to consider that an ASPECT of something is cool? Like yeah the testosterone boosts and muscle growth from steroids ARE cool, looking huge can be cool to a lot of people. The health detriments are NOT cool. I just said something about steroids is cool without promoting it? Why is everyone one dimensional on this

[@myprettygirl91]

@roneitback thats not what marketing is about. Companies have to sell in one dimensional marketing or it wouldnt be profitable

[@TrishaaaBbz]

The guy in the blue shirt abusing steroids so much he can’t even see how unnecessarily angry he is

[@kellen_hendrix]

not angry just seems passionate

[@breadman5048]

@@kellen_hendrix nah dude he's raging

[@kellen_hendrix]

@ just cuz someone raises their voice a bit and speaks with enthusiasm doesn’t mean they’re raging

[@khadeeja2154]

@@kellen_hendrix oh no.. u can tell by the way hes talking he is mad

[@juanantoniomoreno3409]

Yup

[@viv1dre4m33]

U see how calm the natural guys are vs the steroid users

[@wwnd1]

theres no natural in that room m8

[@michaelleszcynski595]

@@wwnd1na bro u can tell how calm the naturals are

[@Ed95366]

That's in your head mate. You also can't automatically blame steroid users for being loud based off of steroids instead of it being their personality. You don't know them.

[@jmays2599]

@@Ed95366its a pattern of behavior that correlates with steroid use in a linear manner. it’s not unfair by any means to associate it with steroid use.

[@0scarsap]

Nyle is literally the calmest guy there and he is on steroids..

[@fahadaljubori8677]

coach greg boutta be on this so fast😭😭

[@adj2006]

ong 😭🤦‍♂️😂

[@Rezzy7n]

Thank you Greg.

[@equa4803]

dude he already replied to another comment💀

[@hulkchicken]

It'll be so fantastic. Him being a hypocrite and acting like TRT isn't steroid use. As well as his constant brain rot clips being used at Mike Israetel's expense. Greg, the vengeful narcissist. Fantastic.

[@Ishowpeed]

Hes gonna make 7 videos about this, 3 of them will be about togi.

[@strawhatspeed]

togi is actually a troll 😭😭 who let this dude on here

[@DaRealMuffinMan6]

When they brought up steroid use vs steroid abuse, I was thinking Togi does NOT belong here😭😭

[@OuweDibbes]

He does belong here. He is an influencer and is talking openly about everything. People can disagree about his influence on people and that's why he should be there.

[@lukadaring7]

He just being honest bruh

[@beingofstrange]

naw, he's refreshing and im older

[@juancarrillo4547]

He should go on the whatever podcast 😅

[@TheIdeaBulb3579]

They should do a take 2 with Dr. Mike, Greg Doucette, Jeff Nippard, and Noel Deyzel

[@Atem.333]

no literally

[@TheIdeaBulb3579]

@@Atem.333 Jubilee caught lackin, smh 🤦

[@terrastrike2026]

+ togi, shan

[@kelb-r7f]

@@terrastrike2026ong

[@TheGuitarGod90]

And sam sulek

[@Salvat95]

That guy Joshua saying he’s natural and 22, this debate lost all credibility!!!

[@noahsmithproductions]

Says 27 at the start of the video 0:34

[@kkwok9]

Absolutely. Muscle mania is not natural, its drug tested...huge difference

[@BrandonPerry-io3hv]

Hahahahahaha i was lmao when joshua started talking. Boy takes t, sarms, dhea, and hgh 😂

[@willthomas7666]

U can def get a crazy ohysiue natty if u habe the genes. But josh def looks like hes on them or has been.. even if his arms are a strknf point. I still think hes been enhanced

[@BD-bc6sc]

Just comparing him to the actual natural body builder the arms is just a dead give away.

[@fannynabseth7772]

Quite contradicting that the guy in blue shirt doesn’t want to glorify obesity due to the health implications however he does want to glorify steroids because you ”look awesome” despite any health implications

[@SuperJudah1]

Facts.. buddy sounds like a bozo haah

[@lukadaring7]

Because taking roids to give you the extra push and achieve the top physique with some consequences is a lot better than just having a loyalty card at mcdonalds and crying about how its someone elses fault that you need a crane to stand up

[@Bluestarferies]

@@SuperJudah1they all sound like bozos. Useless video

[@fannynabseth7772]

@ that ”top physique” includes serious health complications however. Neither should be glorified

[@ColynKirkland]

Homeboy got some obvious brain rot going on.

[@joshuahernandez2428]

"cocaine positive movement" .. togi bro 😭

[@mi.san.thro.pe.]

Jjjajajajajajajajajsja

[@swooshwtf4017]

make cocaine great again

[@Venom-nk8nd]

😭😂

[@SourceHades]

Bro is the frat boy stereotype and it was hilarious every time he spoke 🤣

[@LauraVicente-l1r]

He’s projecting

[@OhAwe]

"In some cases steroids are therapeutic" Sure, but not in this context lmao.

[@doctorgonzo7777]

it was in the context of the question.

[@OhAwe]

@@doctorgonzo7777 "Steroids are dangerous and should not be normalized in fitness" So you think it's possible it was meant about corticosteroids, do you? Or endogenous? Lol.

[@TigerFitness]

That was the context

[@sambf]

I used to suffer from bouts of anxiety. Getting on TRT absolutely cured it.

[@paulyvii]

I think they were talking about (anabolic) steroids being therapeutic in the sense that they get gains 😂😂

[@Akira-jd2zr]

For those that don't know, corticosteroids are not the same as anabolic steroids. Corticosteroids, a cortisol analog, like Prednisone, reduces inflammation. Anabolic steroids, a testosterone analog, builds muscle.

[@edibaber5525]

Thank you, actually insane how no one called him out on this. People with autoimmune conditions aren't getting yolked from their medication.

[@h33-q8w]

The promt didnt say anabolic steroids. Nor did it specify corticosteroids. So.. his point was valid.

[@user-cr4pz5yg7y]

Prednisone causes the worst roid rage ive seen. Also divides families and friends

[@randy2152]

@@h33-q8was if that isn’t already a given

[@davidbreukers5706]

Anabolic steroids like nandrolone are used in aids patients and heavy burn victims

[@andrewgilbert9637]

Lmfao Shizzy on the natural side is the funniest part of this video

[@Failedstateofcali]

I’m certain he’s natural. He’s interested in hopping on though he said. But he’s natural

[@sus4524]

@@Failedstateofcalihe’s not natty 😂😂

[@SadisticSpartan]

@sus4524I read this in Greg’s voice😂

[@HAYDS510]

@@Failedstateofcali He's as angry as the roid users, and making arguments for them most of the time. I'm certain he wants natural credit because he doesn't want the stigma, but he also doesn't want the stigma to exist at all so he can just be honest.

[@Failedstateofcali]

@sus4524 have you seen his blood work to determine he’s on roids or just by his looks you can tell?

[@Fury6996]

Love how everytime Togi is talking, i'ts about drugs. Not steroïds

[@sugafreethapimp3489]

why do love that

[@chillaxer8273]

Why do you love that

[@DeliLifts]

@@chillaxer8273idk if you’ve learned about metaphors, expressions, or any type of word play in school yet, but he doesn’t literally “love” it. He’s saying that because I’m sure he just finds it humorous.

[@jacobramirez4894]

@@DeliLiftswhat if he does love it

[@BigRam2010]

😅​@@jacobramirez4894

[@mamzzx4098]

First impression, some of these naturals gotta be lying 😂

[@ben9234]

Joshua 😂

[@Shady_br]

31:38

[@MrMortimus6]

especially Hussein, look at that Gyno

[@aJxxw]

100% lol

[@reinaert.c6253]

​@@theSWBFman look at shizzy then, he prbbly weighs 40 pound more and sais hes natyt

[@bobdog90]

As a physician, I'm pretty disappointed that these are the people they went with. This is a discussion that should be driven by medial ethics and data. Instead you just let Marc Lobster dominate the discussion by IRL shitposting, repeating debunked pseudoscience, and contradicting himself.

[@mrmentalmuscle]

I’m the guy in the maroon shirt. I’m a college professor in psychology and exercise and versed in these topics both psychologically and physically. I’m also a former D1 athlete. Bottom line is you guys only got to see what Jubilee wanted for entertainment. I had numerous points in here that didn’t make the final plus the people who knew the least talk the loudest

[@Dogwalker447]

@@mrmentalmuscleyea they wasn’t talking about you. Although you wouldn’t be in the discussion they want. They want medical professionals not psychologists.

[@bigcrispy1005]

@@bobdog90 it’s more of a bro video than anything if you thought this was going to be ground breaking and medical related Jubilee ain’t it brother

[@chelious1973]

Exactly. A bunch of I thinks? No hard data or facts involved.

[@randommf3549]

​@@mrmentalmuscle🙏🏽

[@andreiniculae2871]

The dude in the sky blue polo T-shirt is a prime example of the negative effects of steroids. Look at his anger and tone

[@eaautodetailing5303]

He’s just a loud person lol he’s been on the internet like that for years

[@Miss_Kisa94]

Yeah that behavior is scary from a woman's perspective

[@eaautodetailing5303]

@ being loud and energetic ? And usually has a smile on his face majority of the time

[@Miss_Kisa94]

@@eaautodetailing5303 What smile? Dude he's a contradicting muscle head. I'm telling you as a woman we avoid types like him. At least the smart ones do.

[@shinaplaystwitch]

Same ​@@Miss_Kisa94

[@sierrakelly7147]

I feel like the guy in the beanie was one of the best people to be in this panel, I appreciated him sharing his experiences and his calm tone.

[@ronakkakar7893]

He’s known as Shizzy online

[@zingdude23]

He’s nyle nyage

[@vapeurdepisse]

He’s like Cena’s twin

[@drnemo2073]

Do you mean shizzy or nyle nayga

[@kodymcgrath7148]

His podcast is called "Trensparent with Nyle Nayga" and it's a great listen!

[@nevillejames1613]

greg doucette is gonna somehow make a 3 hour video on this in the time it time it takes us to simply watch the video

[@deuris2673]

He’s about to have a full documentary on this one😂😂

[@pearl3g877]

I think he made it. Just waiting to post it.

[@lowkeyyyiannn]

On Gawd😂

[@lawsofpower1217]

3 hours? Lmao he has content for 3 months with this one

[@C.amooni]

​@@deuris2673 LMAOOO😂😂😂🤣 we know it's coming 😂

[@Killamonk_32]

I respect the guy who is on steroids and spoke up about it not being safe.

[@waleedehsan2307]

Saying something is “cool” to an audience of children is one hundred percent promoting it. Children are blank canvases that absorb what’s around them. If everyone says something is cool to a child, they will then adopt that same mindset and think it’s cool.

[@AllabarnBordeDODAS]

No stop underestimating children they are not retarded

[@JustChill-zd4ib]

You can't protect children forever its unrealistic. Let them out and learn from their own mistakes.

[@bsbg-lifts]

@@JustChill-zd4ib The problem is that taking anabolic steroids as a child will f up your endocrine system for life.

[@Li0nHearted]

@@JustChill-zd4ibthat’s the wrong approach.

[@blackmoldog3890]

100% true

[@hamerson8061]

I love this middle ground moderator!!! So calm and jacked 😂😂

[@tylerd8609]

Is he natural?

[@AFadedGamer]

@@tylerd8609not even close…he’s bigger than the guys on steroids

[@hamerson8061]

@ no

[@nflstreetowner123]

@@tylerd8609 No he's an IFBB pro bodybuilder Eric Janicki.

[@BayAreaHoops415]

@@tylerd8609 Impossible to look like that without gear, still dedicated his whole to the journey tho can't knock it

[@hieloz]

This is ridiculous. The 5 naturals should have been ; - Mike O'Hearn - Simeon Panda - Ulisses Jr - Joshua Manoi - Shizzy

[@chrisfit365]

Shizzy is crazy small

[@hieloz]

@chrisfit365 not for his height, taller than Arnold as lean with very close proportions

[@chrisfit365]

@@hieloz on stage he shrinks significantly. He got beat by showmegains in ifbb

[@GODLOVESUSEVERYONE]

Shizzy isn’t natural

[@chrisfit365]

@@GODLOVESUSEVERYONE of he's not natural he is very unimpressive. Look at his stage shots

[@JoeyBeeFit]

I love how Mark's normal voice is screaming at the top of his lungs.

[@saberterminal871]

Blue polo is way too aggressive 😂 bro is literally the poster child of roid rage

[@xhaunted-x1x]

Blue polo just wants to push roids to teenagers so he can make money. It's pretty obvious he's a predator

[@KevinHernandez-pr2qk]

Lol bro that's the OG himself. Look up "tiger fitness". He's Hella passionate.

[@rns6889]

He's not aggressive at all, he's just very hyper 😂

[@kira4036]

Nah bro, he's not even raging.

[@Lift4gainz]

You have no idea what rage is 😂 i cut my arm in half thats rage

[@TheWankadank]

3 natty vs 7 on the gear 😂

[@Hello-iq5ux]

some these guys lying

[@hyangster4843]

They got shizzy on the natty side lmaoo

[@Hello-iq5ux]

@@hyangster4843 hilarious

[@Supermoi1234]

*2 nattys vs 8 on gear

[@jrbionic404]

Cope

[@vylkostyle7632]

joshua's as natty as Mike O'Hearn

[@butch4410]

Test injections counts as natty these days 😂

[@troyclayton7040]

I was thinking the same thing bro lol , some of these natty guys are on juice

[@hairybatemanballs9573]

@@troyclayton7040right like shizzy

[@Exoticho3]

Shizzy who

[@knuckledraggurz1090]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@maloghurst2741]

This is like a 5 way intervention. An ADDICT will justify his using no matter what. Like talking to a wall.

[@SalilRawatSaxena]

Some of those nattys are NOT natty AT ALL

[@chsims12]

Nicholas is for sure natural.. Adrian and Joshua are sus. The hussein and Sean are lying most likely or natty now but use to use or something.

[@bigkushgod]

@@chsims12 hussein literally has gyno

[@nh7680]

Hussein is natty though he showed his blood work and his progress. Just elite genetics.

[@chriskappler3321]

@@nh7680 No he's not. 3 years of training? age 22? with those traps and shoulders? Let me guess you're Muslim and have to defend your Muslim brothers no matter what edit: just saw his before photo, thats not indicative of "elite genetics". I knew a guy that didn't lift weights and packed on muscle, that's what they mean by elite genetics

[@ImDehydrate]

@@nh7680he has very viable gyno, he isn’t natty

[@CostaDoinBusiness]

W Togi just sitting there thinking about gambling lol

[@jacobwatson7650]

😂😂😂

[@Fury6996]

Real. he must have had something before the video😂

[@simizy3726HAPCNW0185]

That’s no w wtf

[@nh7680]

Togi is a loser what skill or contribution does he have?

[@DavidFisher-zm7rp]

So sad that young people my age idolize this looser he’s open to promoting gambling and steroids to young audience

[@cpdhbtp]

natty guys looking better than the guys using steroids tbh

[@shaniece7149]

Yea it ages them too

[@jeremyformerlyknownastoken8218]

because natty arent even natty lol

[@paulyvii]

Hussein looks better than all the roid ragers combined

[@JodyOuO]

cuz half of them arent actually natty, theyre liars

[@okkk608]

​@@jeremyformerlyknownastoken8218idk about all the other guys but hussein is natty

[@chessbergen]

I would for the most part agree with Adrian, I like how he gives his arguments in a calm, respectful and collected manner too.

[@420yaboi3]

Drug test people before just going with the lie that they are natural. This is legit contributing to further confusion of what is possible natty smh

[@lukadaring7]

Pretty much all of their physiques are possible for 95% of people natty, and even the roided up guys have great physiques but ive still seen proven natural guys look better than them

[@420yaboi3]

@ No offense but you have a lack of knowledge of what is possible natty and what is not. You need to watch more physiques, hear peoples explanations and watch more MPMD. Black shirt natural guy, grey tank natural guy and Shizzy are all 3 not natural and you cant acheive that naturally. Get more experience and stop believing people who bodybuild for a living

[@FiveN9ne]

@@420yaboi3 Drug test only proves they haven't taken anything in the past few weeks or however long the drugs they take stays in your system. Nothing else.

[@rollo6203]

@@lukadaring7 lol no

[@lukadaring7]

@@420yaboi3 if anyone has a worse physique than lexx little stef meyers tye trentwins before gear all of these guys then they can be quiet about "achieveable natty".

[@Tazio_01]

Nah Joshua needs to switch teams, he's not fooling anybody🤣

[@jlammii2002]

Dude is blasting lmao

[@epointc]

Same with shizzy

[@nanaomari6479]

Bro dude said Panda is natural . Like wtf?

[@tashaax1993xanimalloverx]

Wtf he's defo on them or adleast been on them

[@Monti258]

Bro I thought the same thing 😂 3:03

[@UpliftJai]

The fact that Joshua is still claiming Natty is diabolical lol

[@joshuaicoqnito4445]

Dianabolical

[@UpliftJai]

@ ayeoooo 🤣🤣🤣

[@matthewpinson4208]

100%%%.

[@AzineDzn]

31:50

[@B4R7H0L0M3W]

@@AzineDzn 34:13 This mf thinks that Simeon Panda and Ade Rai are naturals and at the same time claims the same thing. The only name missing was Mike O'Hearn to prove his "innocence"

[@kevinsendar4629]

Tell Joshua that he needs to stop lying😂

[@kayjelsmithen4173]

I havent listened as yet but I absolutely love that Erik is the moderator. I saw him as a participant in another episode and he was so respectful

[@sergiodelrioreyes7655]

He didn't do much tho

[@arbiter8246]

How come they didn’t invite Amrou Fudl to this episode?

[@Cattivo4bueno]

Coach Gregg finna have a field day with this

[@imrgohard270]

They just gave bro three months worth of content 😂😂

[@yahya2700]

@@imrgohard270LMFAOOOOO facts

[@haru4ls]

@@imrgohard270 LMFAOOOOOOOOOO I JUST KNOW HIS EDITORS GONNA COOK

[@m4andi0ca]

Correcting the title Low dose Steroids X High dose Steroids

[@alexsolo4085]

Or no steroids

[@okkk608]

You're either jealous ignorant or both

[@emfyve]

I think blue shirt, maroon shirt, and possibly neck tat dude are natural. They look solid and not balloon'd up like the others.

[@ahkosorsomesaykosby9999]

Nah. You could probably see the size dif side by side

[@xaldinfash8252]

@@emfyveballoon up? That makes no sense. U can be on steroids and not balloon up. It depends on what compound u take and ur diet

[@connorlake44]

I love how civil and supportive of each other's differences these gentlemen were.

[@shadow_hx]

im like halfway through the vid and the juiced guy with the oversized purple t still hasn’t said a single word😭

[@randomname4898]

I didnt even notice him before reading this commend and i cant s top thinking about him lmao

[@Elucidator18]

The craziest thing to me is that guy is only 22. Bro looks 32

[@yurrhonorr]

Dude legit only spoken once 😂

[@showan3339]

28:57 Here's a once in a lifetime moment my eyes caught

[@shadow_hx]

@@showan3339ya that’s literally the only time he spoke i’m pretty sure

[@Bandz772]

Funny how shizzy said 415 on bench and they put 315 for his bench 💀

[@youtubecommenter8532]

LMAO, not Jubilee fact checking him 😭😭💀💀

[@tylerspecht7553]

I feel like a lot of their numbers were wrong but I don't know these guys much. Just hard to believe none of these guys bench over 405 especially the gear users

[@shenalashendra]

where is this part in the video

[@kodymcgrath7148]

​@@tylerspecht7553Probably because most of these guys are bodybuilders not power lifters. Most body builders don't bench press at all anymore, let alone hitting 1RMs

[@SadderCatLin]

@@shenalashendra it's like the first 10 seconds

[@InfectedTigerMonkeys]

Bro with the blue collard shirt said that people with Ozempic really don’t have the will power to lose weight they just want to inject themselves with a needle. Meanwhile we can say the same with him not having the will power to be natty and just put in the work to reach his natural potential. But he’d rather inject himself with a needle.

[@TigerFitness]

He’s not wrong 😂

[@Loscito]

Most of the people who use ozempic can do that naturally. And I say most because some overweight people have medical conditions. People are still able to lose that weight naturally. However, the people who are smart about using steroids only hop on gear once they reach their natural limit. This means that the people on steroids already achieved what’s possible for them naturally.

[@InfectedTigerMonkeys]

@ yeah I see what your saying. But I’d say that the people who actually achieve their natural potential is very low. We live in a society nowadays that wants everything now. They don’t want to put in the work just whatever can give them the look the quickest. Whether that’s losing weight, gaining muscle etc.

[@tr4sh.doll_]

@@Loscito taking something that will end up damaging your health when it's not even necessary (like it's not for their health or anything, they could choose to stay natty) will never be smart, it's just vanity, like I don't see how that is any different than people getting addicted to plastic surgery to get "a better physique"

[@usussr]

@@TigerFitness bros not slick😂😂

[@johnnylee4820]

Fitness meaning the condition of being physically fit and healthy. So anyone taking steroids automatically disqualify them self from being apart of the fitness industry.

[@CM-hs7sy]

FACTS

[@trevormorey925]

I love how hard Joshua is trying to convince everyone he’s natty 😂

[@LykeArgy]

Nah dude, he's 100% natty, he mentioned the word at least 37 times so it must be true, you cappin

[@smuleforsyth]

His voice has genuinely changed over time getting wayyy deeper bro is snitching on himself 💀

[@wydellbirchwood9146]

i mean he is black, they have insane genetics and muscle bellys... arms look crazy tho, and i wouldnt put it past himself to lie about natty status

[@alphaburns_ifbbpro]

He isn’t natural

[@Daswaggermasta]

Although I think he probably natty, those shoulders look sus.

[@williamrhodes8611]

Blue shirt acting like being an over grown muscle freak is healthier than being obese. Either way your hearts gonna pop.

[@MissLeonable]

I thought the exact same… Crazy how judgemental he is.

[@nitolinilo9034]

Yeah he seemed like a total tool from the very beginning lol. Dude should just admit it’s 100% for vanity. It doesn’t make you evil, just cringe and an ego hit.

[@mrhockey9723]

I felt like many things he said contradicted 😭

[@usussr]

He's my neighbor😭😭

[@meltedsnowman9637]

Steroids is generally less healthy if anything.

[@frederikharders8050]

Not adding Jeff Nippard and coach Greg is tone deaf jubilee... Letting Greg have his way with Togi would be content.

[@joshuawoo7026]

Strongest oat vs strongest today😂

[@NateAlyn]

Legit the most civil and well adjusted middle ground

[@IKrnag_Adam]

"Coolest thing i've ever did in the gym is benching 415" Proceed to show "Bench : 315"

[@grahamvandyke]

That's his all time PR, means he's currently benching 315. Usually whenever people list their stats it's by how much they're currently able to hit.

[@stratavosstuff7575]

sometimes its with assistance, so while they know they were able to move it, it isn't something they could do reliably, and alone.

[@Sammich88]

​@grahamvandyke Tbh, I feel like he meant to say 315, not 415. 315 is 3 plates, a huge milestone. 415 is a weird 4 big plates and two tiny ones. 4 plates is a giant milestone, aka 4-plates club. Never in my life have I ever seen anyone celebrate 415 bench as their biggest achievement. It goes as 225, 315, 405 lbs.

[@mikethaison432]

@@Sammich88I’ve seen him bench 365 in a video, but never 415. He meant to say 415 but he’s lying

[@men-om6ue]

​@@stratavosstuff7575he stopped juicing 415 to 315 is a big difference and its not that he stopped training

[@ZoRoaStErR2299za]

"saying it's cool is not necessarily promoting it" and what is "promoting it" if that isn't?

[@tr4sh.doll_]

yes thank you, i was like so they're saying that if someone say "cigarettes are cool" or "drugs are cool" in front of a audience they wouldn't consider that promoting it or encouraging it ? lmao they're a bunch of hypocrites

[@Squabble_Hub]

@@tr4sh.doll_if you actually watched the video, and had common sense, you’d know that everybody makes decisions for themselves(common sense), and that they can’t feed their “audience” decisions(said by Togi in the video)

[@ridhuanashri137]

His a kid who takes steroid early with steroid rage

[@thered28]

@@tr4sh.doll_ he definitly contradicted himself, but he goes on later in the video saying he does promote it and that kids need to make choices on their own basically

[@asdfg1346on]

Saying i promote steroids

[@JoshJr98]

Title should be: “CLOSETED STEROID USERS VS OPEN STEROID USERS”

[@FadeI2Iblack]

This 👍

[@jezza437]

Yes

[@jrbionic404]

Cope

[@nitolinilo9034]

Way to be blackpilled lol. Put 5-10 years of consistent lifting/ eating and you can have a very impressive body. Should do that before you say everyone’s on roids

[@ItzJamm_]

Some of the naturals are natural but there definitely might be a handful that says otherwise

[@Warchaeology]

Salute to the guys being honest about being on gear, I personally think only two in the natty camp are truly natural

[@naturessounds4118]

If Joshua is natural I’m an astronaut 😂

[@cloroxbleachg5377]

He has massive arms but he’s not super veiny so I’m on the fence

[@19Schalke04]

@@cloroxbleachg5377bro just stop. I Will realise one day

[@michaelreichert9059]

@@cloroxbleachg5377 yeah he has also clear and healthy looking skin, so very hard to tell.

[@TheRetrist]

@@cloroxbleachg5377 ah because you need to be veiny to be on steroids xD

[@loganagolw]

I hate to inform you, not everyone on steroids is huge and vascular

[@rimlatv]

It's funny seeing Joshua getting more and more nervous over the episode, realizing nobody's trusting and viewing him as a natty. 😅

[@BLACKBOGUSDOG]

😂True

[@bubba_sawyer]

😂😂😂

[@Before-GTA6]

If you're a kid and you're reading this as a male. Learn that natural bodybuilding attracts females and that unatural bodybuilding attracts males. It's up to you who you want to attract as a male

[@MakaylaWilliams-y3c]

This is weirdly true 😂but I don't know know I'm a girl and I don't like men with big muscles except maybe the guy with the glasses

[@jaybrand882]

Exactly

[@digglebick]

Lmao speaking from what experience exactly? Im on gear and ive had more attention from girls on gear than i ever have off

[@todimotska]

@@digglebick Maybe your unnatural transformation just looks natty?

[@michaelkun1594]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@MakaylaWilliams-y3cthe guy with glasses has elite one in a million genetics for bodybuilding so that makes complete sense. Naturals simply don’t weigh much when very lean because of biology and evolution, so if someone is very lean and has huge amounts of muscle, they’re likely enhanced.

[@tfoka5551]

I have the feeling Joshua begins talking without actually having any idea of where he’s going with what he’s saying.

[@laviation2977]

Nahhh Togii being here is crazy haha

[@GWDell]

Bro natty

[@andyyy-e5p]

Guys, you don't need ster0ids or supplements for body transformation. Perfect video for me to post comment. I dropped 80lbs in 2024 with no restrictive diet. I didn't set any timetable goal for anything, I just started to live clean. I started my morning routine with warm lemonade, fast walk for 20 min., and eat healthy breakfast and drink green tee. I started to make 5k steps per day and drink 13 glasses of water. Exercise and meal plan are the most important, I took my meal plan from website OnlyMeal and I was strict with meals. I had only 1 cheat meals per 10 days. I exercised 3 times per week at the gym too. Thats it, happy new year!

[@DaniaILewrone]

exactly! 👍👍Proper diet and workout are the most important for weight loss and muscle gain. Congrats you on the results

[@Martha_12312]

I also need to lose 43lbs, thank you for sharing your story I will definitely try that morning routine and meal plan 🤗

[@andyyy-e5p]

@@DaniaILewrone thank you 💪💪

[@highoncreatine]

❤❤

[@BrokeMechanic]

Don't need them but it's nice to have them

[@Beloti44]

Glad they brought Eric back as the moderator. W guy fr 💯

[@cloroxbleachg5377]

He definitely helps destroy the stereotype that ALL bodybuilders have roid rage. He is very calm and respectful

[@nh7680]

Eric is wholesome af

[@gamebae14]

This was awesome to watch and listen to from all perspectives. Noel would have been the only person missing for great knowledge on this and cause he's South African. Great guests and great all round conversation

[@filmwarsproduction]

Not inviting coach Greg into this shows how everyone here is probably not natty

[@Hello-iq5ux]

truth

[@a.rleather9420]

Inviting him rn would just make him yapp the whole vid lol

[@Anubis_-_]

@@a.rleather9420he’d be justified in his yapping because half the natty dudes are on gear lmao may as well stick Mike O’Hearn in there too

[@HexityOnVal]

shizzy in natural is crazy

[@rodneyjperdue]

Came looking for this comment. Lmaooo dudes a con artist

[@vagabond61714]

was going to say the exact same thing 🤣🤣

[@jakeeeeeessas]

@@rodneyjperduehe was literally addicted to heroin, what makes u think he wouldnt use the needle this time to actually benefit his career 😂😂

[@Hello-iq5ux]

sean is steroid abuser, he is shizzy

[@havocmg]

Shizzy is natural. Look at his last natural show he underperformed.

[@hammeredemu9417]

Joshua on the natty panel like we can’t see the barcode from his last steroid cycle. Bro’s delts have delts, and he’s out here preaching about hard work like his pharmacy isn’t his real coach.

[@ChrisM-h5u]

Genetic jealousy

[@thiccboibrigade]

@@ChrisM-h5ucope glazing

[@csengercsizmadia]

And they said simeon panda is natty. You see the gas lighting?

[@indiansmokar]

@@ChrisM-h5u that dude is not natty no matter what way you twist it

[@Hello-iq5ux]

@@ChrisM-h5u clown bozo

[@jeffmorabito10]

Lucky guys to get on this panel / discussion. I hope i get the chance to be able to help / reach millions someday as a Health Coach

[@titusmuli035]

Spoiler Alert. The 'natural' guys are low key taking roids as well

[@theSWBFman]

Hussein high key bro. 0:42 he claims just 3 years training and he's at 365 bench 425 squat at 165bw?

[@sebastiankovac7605]

@@theSWBFman look gyno

[@geteriking4865]

Some of the prob not

[@alexsolo4085]

@@theSWBFmanit’s called superior genetics. Not everyone is like that.

[@jeffk4710]

a few are, they probably just take less which is why they "look" better since they aren't as unnaturally big looking

[@jaym4k]

nah, should have invited Greg here, we need some Doucette

[@solarey6453]

if greg was on here he would just be arguing with togi

[@roaklarson9699]

How else am I gonna Greg my doucette

[@Loislikes]

If Greg was on, it would definitely be the Greg Doucette show. lol

[@YHWHsam]

Greg would’ve taken over the whole vid

[@user-cu8rl5pe1m]

He should’ve been the presenter

[@mosessedgley9156]

Addicted gamblers vs casino executives. And bring back Togi for this one. Love the vids ❤

[@SimeonPanda]

Great discussion! Kudos to everyone involved 👏🏾

[@monarchdoge1330]

my favorite natty

[@lanes3908]

Not natty argument: “water is dangerous”

[@faintedmemo]

His argument was one of semantics. You could replace steroids in that question with anything. Weed, alcohol, water; it doesn't matter. Anything is dangerous when consumed inappropriately.

[@svenvdv2880]

@@faintedmemodoes that mean it should be normalized

[@kantaim4195]

@@svenvdv2880 I don't think it should be normalized but I also don't think it should be vilified, as long as people are being responsible with it and being honest it shouldn't matter.

[@daliam8715]

It's a decent argument in some cases, but not in this one. It's usually my exact thought when content creators fear monger over certain skincare ingredients or foods. In this case, it's really not appropriate.

[@cammymiami24]

Next do BBLs verses naturally curvy women

[@maxabdulhadi]

Needed 🙏

[@FoougieTV]

Yessss!!!

[@1TapWay]

😂😂😂

[@RandomNinja-g8c]

why? you sound so offended because of this episode lol..Actually most women don't lie about plastic surgeries like guys do about steroids..

[@cammymiami24]

@@RandomNinja-g8c what are you smoking

[@sacul3861]

Hussein is 22 with 3 years of training, is 165lbs and can bench 365lbs all while being natural? Is that even possible?

[@pizzasmasher5143]

Yes it is

[@imrgohard270]

Possible- yes, likely no. especially without arm sleeves

[@sacul3861]

@imrgohard270 he must be 1 in a 100 million if he's doing all that natural 😂 that's a stat that's impressive even on steroids

[@mazzabazza2014]

@@sacul3861 no youre just dumbfounded that someone could do this, ive done the exact same- im 88kgbw and bench 160kg and squat 180kg in 2yrs of training

[@sacul3861]

@mazzabazza2014 but also that stat is not nearly as impressive as hussein's. his bench to bw ratio is 2.21 and yours is 1.82. Also he weighs 13kg less than you do and is benching more. You really think you can achieve his ratio of 2.21 in the next year, even though yours is already incredibly high? You are likely 1 in a million and he is likely 1 in 100 million (assuming you are both natural of course)

[@8095jleon]

Marc is such a pro juicer snd downplays the risks. All Prescription drugs are prescribed to people to aid in some way- and yet even in therapeutic dosages have risks and side effects

[@CAC6363]

Eating dairy has side effects for most…

[@Mitro.t]

Mike O'Hearn would have been a great advocate for the Naturals 🗿

[@MyEffex]

why is joshua trying so hard to sound like a wwe character

[@pavlebogutovic6033]

yesssss Roman Reigns xddd

[@natalia222]

lmaooo

[@mybootscamewithoutstraps]

"The young fitness influencers who are promoting copious drug use to get to their goals..." *Dude slaps Togi on the shoulder to tag him in, because that's literally him.*

[@babanesprtluas]

Some of the best strength gains I’ve had came from just keeping things simple. There’s even a book called Banned Spartan Rituals that breaks down how ancient warriors trained and maintained high testosterone naturally

[@chrisalvarez6899]

This is arguably the most stacked jubilee episode ever

[@gainestonprod]

shizzy and togi the only people i’ve ever seen in this

[@aidenn245]

​@@gainestonprodstacked if you lift

[@Mpilo_zah]

11:34 "just cause it's dangerous doesn't mean it's bad" lmao 🤣🤣...

[@nocarebutyes3436]

I means sports definitely fall into that category

[@MrLoowiz]

@@nocarebutyes3436 High performance sports are terrible for the health of the athletes. But there's anti-doping for a reason, bodybuilding is a joke.

[@nocarebutyes3436]

@@MrLoowiz yeah people should watch cartoons and anime instead 🤦🏽

[@BdaB164]

It's true. Dangerous does not equal bad.

[@Oliver-wx8sf]

Is true MMA,NFL,Rugby,Bull riding,Sky diving,Mount Everest climbs.yes is dangerous but it not bad for that certain person I might think MMA is dangerous but I wouldn't mind doing it is something they enjoy.

[@Andre87191]

Joshua: I believe Simeon Panda is natural. 🤣 theyre both as natural as Mike O'Hearn.

[@sloob44]

Can you do a significant weightloss edition? Natural loss vs bariatric surgery?

[@byzmogyzmo5852]

Bro really said he was natural and started lifting 3 years ago wiht that phisique. Dude what?

[@jeffk4710]

genetic anomaly or lying

[@238jfnsfdjnisdfnjk_sadoj]

He is natty, he has shown his bloodwork and went to a drug tested bodybuilding show.

[@Tazio_01]

@@238jfnsfdjnisdfnjk_sadoj that means absolutely nothing

[@238jfnsfdjnisdfnjk_sadoj]

@@Tazio_01 It means something but, he could be natty could be not natty I don't know.

[@ashleyturner2627]

@@Tazio_01 it means he was tested, so it means something, it doesn't mean he has been natural all his life, but considering he has been training 3 yrs and the test is for 7 years the maths adds up, but I am sorry I am sure you listened to the video or know more.

[@everythingman798]

Being natural teaches you alot. It taght me patience, delayed gratitude, shows people im a real gorilla , i like the grit. I like seeing small changes, i like seeing what men are suposed to do in life and thats working hard and working hard being tired.

[@digglebick]

"Im a real gorilla" ok big guy

[@michealmcain5784]

and thats the entire reason people jump on gear, because they have non of those traits, unless you're trying to be a champ in some mr olympia

[@KalisthenicsKid]

yes indeed, steroid users are trying to bypass the suffering necessary for a great physique, it is a sign of a weak mind

[@JustChill-zd4ib]

@@KalisthenicsKid its not that simple lol

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

Deferred gratification

[@niruh__2595]

Eric should be the ONLY go to host for any fitness type videos. Dude is awesome.

[@RyanWinters3]

"We should not glorify things that will eventually lead to someones death", meanwhile the same steroid dude argued that its okay to glorify steroids, despite it leading to peoples death

[@byzmogyzmo5852]

theres like 2 guys tops that are natural, who are they trying to fool here? lol

[@tr4sh.doll_]

I honestly don't see how taking steroids is any different than getting addicted to plastic surgery for example and I think we should treat both the same way, like it's all about vanity, continuously taking unnecessary risk and damaging your health just to get a "better physique" and both shouldn't be normalized for obvious reasons, it is not healthy or cool

[@OhAwe]

Yea, 100%. Just body dysmorphia taken in a different direction. Arguably plastic surgery has lower risk too which is wild lmao.

[@daliam8715]

It's not different. They're both awful.

[@Goldenboy04-t8x]

It's more dangerous than plastic surgery

[@tr4sh.doll_]

@@OhAwe I'd say it depends which surgery and which surgeon you choose but yeah they're both dangerous and we definitely need to talk more about body dysmorphia in men and in the fitness community

[@fintan9218]

Theyre different in a lot of way, but both can be really bad and stem from body dysmorphia.

[@420yaboi3]

Blue ahirt guy lost me in his first argument. The average test of a woman is 15-70ng/Dl, average male 35-39 is 350-470ng/Dl

[@naomifernandez1864]

Yup

[@epointc]

He tweakin off the gear for sure taking to much gear

[@mariusphysique]

All the statistics he used are just lies…

[@sundvallen]

No its not LMFAOOO

[@j.quinton572]

yeah that was one of the more insane things blue shirt guy said

[@goodboyzeta]

This is honestly ridiculous how they literally said they were influencers but it isn't their job to influence the public/what they choose to take from their promotions.

[@StMiles]

Half of these “naturals” aren’t natural. Hussein isn’t, Josh definitely isn’t

[@just_b_chillin1632]

Do you think Geoffrey varity Schofield is natural?

[@Michelrs]

@@just_b_chillin1632 he might be. tough to say.

[@Jvannyyy]

​@just_b_chillin1632 yes look at geoff in natural lighting he doesn't even look like he lifts

[@fake-PSL]

​@@Jvannyyy what 😭

[@bustedknuckles6051]

That guy with the throat tattoo definitely isn't natural either.

[@eastherkyaw]

guys please don't take roids, no matter what these guys says

[@maxabdulhadi]

You don't know anything, steroids are awesome.

[@RandomNinja-g8c]

@@maxabdulhadi well nobody gonna stop you bro..especially women!! they won't give a fck about you

[@poisoneddarttv6515]

@@maxabdulhadireal

[@0wnmoan94]

Gear definitely gets results and absolutely have consequences. But dosage also matters. If someone decides to get on gear they definitely need to do their due diligence taking it.

[@ruSLek_]

​​​@@0wnmoan94any gear hurts you a lot, you shouldn't choose anything because a healthy gear is only hrt and it's described by your doctor.

[@martin96991]

Joshua is natural 🤥

[@sakibc1787]

🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥🤥

[@garyreyes2284]

🤥🤥🤥🤥

[@Liad138]

And hussein and shizzy...

[@henrikswanstrom9218]

He's definitely natural. Can't you see? He's smaller than Mike O'hern.

[@Darkanent]

Did you hear him say he’s been training for 14 years? There’s photos of him online at 16 with muscles. Hard work and genetics.

[@Reign_Abov3_610]

We need a part 2 with this!!! Gotta add in Coach Greg and I'd love to be part of this too!!

[@jalamela1480]

Bald guy with blue shirt, black dude with burgundy shirt, and guy with glasses and black shirt on are the only ones that are natural.

[@OT-mj8nr]

None of them are, only the black guy.

[@khoya]

nah bald blue shirt and black guy only, the guy with glasses and black shirt is def not natural

[@Hello-iq5ux]

accurate bro lol

[@GalacticExplorer_Edits33]

💯

[@celerywarrior6493]

Probably.

[@theplanewalker5727]

Ngl this is one of the most respectful and push back but everyone respected each other even though they have different view, props to everyone on the set !!

[@TigerFitness]

Love these guys!

[@Invhytas]

8:50 guy's just misunderstanding the entire discussion on purpose and arguing in bad faith. If somebody said 'alcohol is bad for you' there is no way he'd answer 'no, this is the problem with you anti-alcohol people! There's also isopropyl alcohol and that is very important and useful!'.

[@AllabarnBordeDODAS]

Lmao

[@iHeyItsMattRah]

this feels like a modern classic ive never seen anything like this in. the body building community. do more. new ppl too