The controller handled the situation calmly and professionally. Props to him and the pilots!
@VASAviation3 ай бұрын
That Approach controller was legendary!
@joshilini23 ай бұрын
@@VASAviation Care to make a pinned comment on the comms once the aircraft had landed?
@stimpsjd3 ай бұрын
@@VASAviationhe picked up that the tower controllers message might not have been heard and did the relay too.
@njebarr3 ай бұрын
I assume a lot of silences have been edited out but those pilots were in an insanely high workload situation dealing with a multiple failures, uncomfortable masks, fire, briefing the cabin, setting up for an approach. That controller was a lot. Would have swallowed up a lot of capacity just constantly being interrupted when you’re trying to do something and then having to get back to where you were. Everyone wants to be helpful, sometimes the best thing you can do is let the crew deal with an emergency. They’ll call you when they need you.
@daltonschumaker67653 ай бұрын
@@njebarrwithout being able to transmit I feel like you’ve got to at least try to give an abundance of information. They really can’t call when they need since they wouldn’t be able to communicate what their need is.
@mkkm9453 ай бұрын
Superbly managed with the IDENT as a backup. My heart sank when I head "radar contact lost" and I knew they landed safely. Can only imagine what ATC must have been feeling. Great work and proof that flying is still ridiculously safe even with a fire.
@VASAviation3 ай бұрын
With a suspect of smoke = fire onboard I would think for the worst at that point. Fire can burn you out in seconds. Thankfully the transponder reply returned shortly after.
@vlieg-piet3 ай бұрын
Just what I thought! Emergency airplane with smoke in the cockpit and than no more contact, ouch!
@aeternusdoleo45313 ай бұрын
Transponder outage plus radio outage... Suggests to me they had something shorting out in their communications systems. Probably popped a fuse and forced the transponder to go to battery, which caused it to be out briefly. Just guesses, but it fits the sequence of events.
@jimandmandy3 ай бұрын
I always thought IDENT on my transponder was useless. Never used it. This changed my mind.
@ace000073 ай бұрын
@@jimandmandy makes your target flash brightly on their screens
@dawsum113 ай бұрын
That was one hell of a calm controller. Amazing job by everyone involved.
@Niklas944923 ай бұрын
"Frontier1326 IDENT obseerrved" Im in trance
@savagecub3 ай бұрын
Calm ??????? What the hell does he have to lose ?
@1450JackCade3 ай бұрын
@@savagecub You see, most humans have a reverence for human life. And the thought of not doing everything they can to save lives is very stressful for them because they care. This might not be something you understand, but non-sociopaths do.
@noob.1683 ай бұрын
panicking is what gen z would do. tiktok gen has no patience.
@cindysavage2653 ай бұрын
As I posted (funny comment on Blancolirio) ATC “I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue”
@SimNico3 ай бұрын
Airbus pilot here. In case of smoke the checklist directs us to try and isolate the source by switching the power off on one side then the other, this is probably what led to the loss of radar contact for ATC (active transponder turned off until the pilots switched to the other one).
@christerry17733 ай бұрын
Thank for the info. How does that help isolate though?
@TheProPilot3 ай бұрын
@@christerry1773because if you cut power to half the airplane and the smoke dissipates, you found the source and leave it unpowered.
@N734NJ3 ай бұрын
Yeah, but they ought to have primary radar only, but they are definitely losing the data block
@chrisf20723 ай бұрын
Can confirm this is exactly what happened.
@christerry17733 ай бұрын
@@TheProPilot would that include the essential bus? Curious how power would be cut to those systems but the flight control computers and actuators remain powered.
@DrDeuteron3 ай бұрын
Legend has it red dog 40 is still waiting to roll.
@Angelum_Band3 ай бұрын
Red dog 40 dating White cat 20.
@JaviR63573 ай бұрын
*KshH This is Red Dog 40! You saID LeGEnd has what? How COPY? Over *kShh
@flyingardilla1432 ай бұрын
Red Dog 40 was just whining about how there hasn't been a good aircraft fire in months. Then at his moment to shine behind the wheel of the over-powered firetruck, he fails to hit the gas pedal when given the green light.
@Kevin-uh4km3 ай бұрын
I was on that flight with 7 of my family members. Crazy experience, no one said a word about what was going on in the plane. Thankful for our pilot getting us down safely.
@Bigmoney7033 ай бұрын
That must have been so scary sitting there not evacuating while the fire trucks are spraying it down
@leneyoungblood40173 ай бұрын
Me and my oldest daughter where onboard. We have really bad back pain
@leneyoungblood40173 ай бұрын
I said to my daughter I think we might explode
@Dstew57A3 ай бұрын
@@leneyoungblood4017yeah looked like a great landing considering
@hundiraisk3 ай бұрын
Aviate, navigate, communicate ... you were on the bottom of the list, they had hands full to get down safely for you to write this comment. No offence.
@A321LR3 ай бұрын
Looking at the photos you can see the RAT was deployed on the belly. This leads me to believe they were in ELEC EMER CONFIG which was done as a result of running the checklist for SMOKE / FIRE / FUMES event. That checklist under certain circumstances will ask to isolate the Generators which may be the source of the Smoke or Fire and have you deploy the RAT for emergency hydraulics and electrics. Things to note…Only transponder 1 operates so that is likely why a brief radar contact loss for a moment. Also COM 1 only. Some issues with the landing in ELEC EMER include No Reverse Thrust, Loss of Nose wheel steering, loss of many spoilers, and brake pressure needs to be monitored and applied very carefully not to exceed 1,000 psi. This would likely be why both brakes locked up on landing and the tires subsequently blew. If in ELEC EMER due to Smoke / Fire the checklist does ask to bring a generator back on a few miles before landing and then to turn it off after stopped. It’s a long checklist when you are worried about being on fire.
@gcorriveau68643 ай бұрын
I'm guessing that this landing config also means that the anti-skid is U/S? Explaining, perhaps, the tire/gear failures and fires from locked manual braking? TBD I guess.
@BruceGinkel3 ай бұрын
Every checklist is a long checklist when your on fire lol
@NicolaW723 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this information!
@omgsrsly3 ай бұрын
I don't know what the exact definition of a 'radar contact' is, but the transponder signals a plane is actively transmitting and the radar return signal of an actual radar station are two different things. The latter one is independent from the aircraft. So was it really missing on the ATC's monitors or how is the information displayed to them?
@intelfx863 ай бұрын
@@omgsrsly Could be an area of poor (primary) radar returns, or too much clutter, or something along these lines. The 7110.65 is not specifying the exact definition of a "radar contact" in terms of primary/secondary radar, either :-)
@robertbutsch18023 ай бұрын
Passenger interviews indicate that there was no smoke in the cabin. Some said they didn’t know anything was wrong until they landed and saw emergency vehicles congregating on the plane. Could have been an electrical fire confined to the flight deck. That approach controller was absolutely Hollywood cool.
@leneyoungblood40173 ай бұрын
We smeller smoke and the crew though someone had smoked in the toilet first
@I-talk-about-tough-topics3 ай бұрын
Someone should buy him a drink. When radar contact was lost, he feared the worst for a moment. How could he not? He sounded so elated/relieved when they were able to ident. And it was a good day for saving the passengers and the crew. No bees involved. (If you don't know what I am going on about, I think the channel is called Texas Bee Works.)
@kcgunesq3 ай бұрын
Given that the engine was on fire, I'm guessing that it wasn't confined to the flight deck. Unless you mean the smoke. But that doesn't make sense if you are discussing an electrical fire.
@robertbutsch18023 ай бұрын
@@kcgunesqThat may be the case. Doesn’t really explain passenger recollections that everything seemed normal till after touchdown.
@DrDeuteron3 ай бұрын
Flight deck. 😂😂😂😂 Come on now, just sit it.
@richarddaugherty85833 ай бұрын
That controller was perfect... he sounded almost bored which is exactly right and what the pilots need to hear. This should become a case study in how to handle an emergency.
@chris.geringverdiener3 ай бұрын
Jesus. That ATC was so cool, I bet he’s warming up when he touches a glacier.
@jamesogden77563 ай бұрын
High stress environments are weird. You drop all the things that don't matter and work with the details you can manage. Everything else falls away. This was super smooth of the ATC. Noncombative, no argument, just worked the problem with the information he got. 🫡
@Quotenwagnerianer3 ай бұрын
He is who you call when you want to prevent another glacier from melting and vanishing forever. ;)
@Subraid3 ай бұрын
Chuck Norris calls this ATC when he has to cool down...
@OntarioTrafficMan3 ай бұрын
That's the most casual "radar contact lost" I've heard
@soccerguy24333 ай бұрын
i looked up from my breakfast when i heard that
@davidkavanagh1893 ай бұрын
It's likely the SRR contact lost. Not the primary return. It can mean an avionics problem affecting the transponder. That makes extra sense considering they obvious radio problems they were having.
@clqudy47503 ай бұрын
Maybe ATC used to work at NASA? 😳😲😵
@MicrowavedAlastair53903 ай бұрын
Dude rivals Patrick Harten.
@TrainerAQ3 ай бұрын
I mean you can get radar contact lost for a number of technological hiccups. It doesn't necessarily mean the plane crashed. The plane could have gone behind a mountain and that could have caused that. No need for a professional to become a drama queen. It's not Hollywood.
@darby59873 ай бұрын
Everything was pretty well spot on until the very end. First ATC told ARFF several times that they had no radio communication with the aircraft yet ARFF kept asking them for information that required radio contact. Radio communication was finally established. Then the pilots were almost begging for ARFF to stop transmitting so they could run their checklists. But ARFF kept interrupting them by repeating information they had already transmitted. ARFF also parked one or more vehicles in positions that blocked the evacuation slides. The pilots could not have evacuated their passengers and cabin crew on the slides in the required 90 seconds had it become necessary. However, based on what the pilots observed inside the aircraft they decided to evacuate on the runway. ARFF, who was not inside the aircraft, then talked the pilots out of evacuating and instead wait for the air stairs for vague reasons seemed to be more convenience related than for safety. On 19-AUG-1980 Saudia Flight 163 had an onboard fire. On landing the pilots decided not to immediately evacuate on the runway. Everyone died. There are some training issues that need to be addressed at LAS airport because it started sounding a bit like a dangerous Charlie Foxtrot at the end. It will be interesting to see what NTSB's conclusion will be in the upcoming report.
@canadave3 ай бұрын
Yeah 100% agreed. ARFF should never place a vehicle in a spot where an emergency slide might deploy. That single act (along with talking about putting stairs into place) confused the pilots, held up the evacuation, and could've been deadly had there been an actual fire. The pilots had already said they wanted to evacuate on the runway--that should've been ARFF's cue to accommodate that plan.
@jimw16153 ай бұрын
Aviation injury data shows it is safer to evacuate using airstairs than the slides, if time permits. The smoke seemed to be isolated to the cockpit and the cabin was clear of any smoke.
@benv58123 ай бұрын
Comm issues yes.... ARFF extendable arm would have been extended to spray the engine/gear area. Only block one door, at least 5 other doors available. If you use the slides, people will get hurt, happens every time. If it's safe to use the stairs, better option.
@jackielinde75683 ай бұрын
Yes, it's safer to evacuate using airstairs over slides, so long as the situation permits waiting for the airstairs to arrive. Airstairs aren't safer if you have to wait for them to get into position and the aircraft is on fire. Also, we don't know what the pilots saw, heard, and knew at the time. If they had smoke in the cockpit and the main gears were reporting excessive heat, they may have thought the aircraft was on fire. Hense why they might order an evacuation using the slides now instead of waiting for air stairs to show up. We know after the video the pilots had time to wait for the airstairs, but the information they had at the time and especially their checklists may have said otherwise. I'm not going to criticize the pilots for wanting to use the slides to clear out the plane. The NTSB can decide what the situation was like in the cockpit and if the pilots made the right calls or not. As far as LAS AARF... They didn't sound like they were on top of the situation. But again, that's NTSB's turf to find out what happened there and what could be done to improve things.
@JoeDFWAviation3 ай бұрын
I was so wondering why they weren’t using the slides…..
@TheGospelQuartetParadise3 ай бұрын
Now we know what pilot mean when they say "We train for this." There is an old saying, "Amateurs practice till they get it right - Professionals practice till they don't get it wrong." Great professionalism by pilots and Controllers.
@Julie-w7j3 ай бұрын
I was on this plane. 1326 The crew kept everything under control and none of us had information as passengers of what actually was happening. Me and my mom was in the back. Last passengers to get off. Glad to be safe and alive. My body hurts from the impact. Thank you for everyone’s service
@mfr4403 ай бұрын
Was everyone calm when waiting to evacuate? I would have been going for the emergency door release if I saw smoke.
@crypticcrazy36723 ай бұрын
Did they tell everyone to brace (lean forward) for the landing?
@Julie-w7j3 ай бұрын
@@crypticcrazy3672 no we didn’t get any warning. But the flight attendants was acting very odd. 20 minutes into the ride it started smelling like popcorn. I honestly don’t even remember them saying we are preparing for landing like they normally do.
@Julie-w7j3 ай бұрын
@@mfr440 we was calm and collected, I was the last passenger to get off out of all. They sprayed us down for 30 minutes straight and took 50 minutes after landing til I personally got out.
@Blue0cean3 ай бұрын
@@Julie-w7j Ouch!
@nimbuskhannk6273 ай бұрын
The firefighting procedures have to be seriously revised. The emergency escape area should never, ever, be blocked.
@marctronixx3 ай бұрын
armchair quarterback response with the benefit of hindsight.
@Ndub10363 ай бұрын
Slides can be disarmed pal
@nimbuskhannk6273 ай бұрын
I've been in this business long enough. But even non-initiated, keyboard warriors should, at least, be able to do simple searches. Here's what ChatGPT would have told you, should you have made the right question "Airport firefighting vehicles should stand clear of emergency slide deployment areas when fighting an aircraft fire. Emergency slides are designed to deploy quickly and with significant force during an evacuation. If a firefighting vehicle or personnel are in the deployment zone, it can create a hazardous situation, potentially damaging equipment or injuring personnel. Additionally, keeping the area clear ensures that passengers and crew can evacuate the aircraft safely and efficiently. Firefighters must position their vehicles and equipment in a way that allows for fire suppression while also respecting the escape routes and deployment areas for the slides. Safety coordination between the firefighting team and the flight crew is critical in such emergencies." Further to this all, just from listening to the radio exchanges with the fire marshall, one can conclude that the firefighting services at that airport are not very proficient.
@j1346793 ай бұрын
@@Look_What_You_Did plane took 50 mins to evacuate by stairs. If there had been an existing fire not visible to the outside this would have been a disaster
@chris522092 ай бұрын
@@Look_What_You_Did thats not even close to what he meant or said
@Tomcat3043 ай бұрын
When I heard "Radar contact lost!" That's when reality set in!! Incredible job by these pilots to bring it in safe !!!
@matt3rd6473 ай бұрын
That was scary. Good job by all involved. Pilots and ATC showing their experience and professionalism.
@FlyingDoctor603 ай бұрын
As soon as the video started I could hear that the pilots had their smoke masks on. Even though I knew they had landed safely, terror set in when I heard “Radar contact lost” and the screen went blank. The controller’s preternatural calm was astonishing. Fantastic job by all involved, including the cabin crew not letting panic and an uncommanded evacuation occur.
@paulstejskal3 ай бұрын
Honestly he may have known they were around because of the IDENTs. He probably figured they were doing something on their checklist. That was my feeling.
@briansmyla86963 ай бұрын
It's Vegas, so with the terrain the controllers may be used to losing contact with incoming aircraft briefly as they fly through the radar's 'blind spots'. Just a guess.
@paulstejskal3 ай бұрын
@@briansmyla8696 What happens in Vegas stays in vegas, even ATC radars?
@Matt-mo8sl3 ай бұрын
Panicking only intensifies the situation. Captain and controller both cool under pressure, remained focused. ATC's use of the "ident" was a very smart backup option. The airplane got on the ground in one piece and it's plenty fixable, all souls safe and accounted for. I call that a good ending to a bad situation.
@NicolaW723 ай бұрын
Indeed, exactly.
@ardeladimwit3 ай бұрын
Awesome job by thecontroller. Did a good job bringing them in and keeping his voice level and commands clear. Sure there must be a lot of hugs and thanks all around.
@tommaxwell4293 ай бұрын
Smart move making the heavy break off the approach. Didn't need any distractions or potential delays in this approach. Well done!
@glennoverhoff65893 ай бұрын
Im sure he had a Captain Philips like breakdown after. I would have, and probably still be.
@hewhohasnoidentity43773 ай бұрын
@@tommaxwell429it used to be standard procedure to keep a runway sterile for emergency aircraft. Once they know an emergency is heading to a piece of pavement it is best to leave that pavement clear so there is no risk of someone else blocking the runway. Frequently now ATC tries to squeeze in landings before the emergency shuts down the runway. This ATC was excellent!
@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co3 ай бұрын
1:30 that controller's heart must have skipped a few beats there. You couldn't tell from his voice, though. Outstanding.
@rdfox763 ай бұрын
Mine sure as hell did.
@persistentwind3 ай бұрын
Kudos to Las Vegas approach and this controller for recognizing the severity of the issue and moving the traffic out of the way for them!
@phattestphil3 ай бұрын
Initially he was going to sequence him behind a 777 🙄
@NicolaW723 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@persistentwind3 ай бұрын
@phattestphil but they moved them... so, job well done!
@keithpedersen36533 ай бұрын
Brilliant production Victor! This video is a perfect example of redundancy, automation, and CRM saving lives.
@VASAviation3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching
@johnh84933 ай бұрын
single pilot ops = dumb for this reason
@chrisj14752 ай бұрын
I appreciate having Airport footage to accompany the audio.
@Anchor_Makes3 ай бұрын
Interesting learning experience for the rescue crews too. Smart pilot. Stay clear of the doors! Pilot was not gonna disarm his only immediately available evac method until they had stairs present, and really they should have been aware of this and staying clear in the first place as they actually blocked the evac route
@joshcryer3 ай бұрын
Evac said they were bringing stairs before that though so he should have picked up on that. The fires were out. Asking if he should deploy the slides was redundant if he had been listening to fire.
@spinkid20003 ай бұрын
Indeed. he stated we will evacuate on the runway. Those stairs should have never been near that plane. When you have an on board fire you may only have seconds to get out safely and ground did not know what was going on in the cabin.
@JimNortonsAlcoholism3 ай бұрын
@@joshcryerThat's not good enough in a fire situation. Either you have the stairs ready to go or you don't.
@JimNortonsAlcoholism3 ай бұрын
@@joshcryeralso you have no idea if the fires were completely out. You can tell everything from the outside. An internal fire can continue burning, especially electrical
@torben7773 ай бұрын
@@joshcryerThe pilot got it right. You did not. He needs to keep the option to evacute via slides open, until the stairs are there. On the other hand he should not use slides until he has to, as an evacuation via slides usually causes a few injuries by itself.
@jakint0sh3 ай бұрын
WOW! Crazy well handled by the approach controller, and using the IDENT button to acknowledge ATC if you're unable to transmit is not something I'd have ever thought of. This is one for the ages!
@jbrown35473 ай бұрын
Pretty standard ops when ATC is trying to get ahold of someone who isnt responding anymore.
@lvsluggo0073 ай бұрын
Not sure but I suspect using IDENT to acknowledge radio transmissions is the standard in a NORDO situation.
@lwheatcraft3 ай бұрын
@@lvsluggo007yep, it’s extremely standard.
@iocat3 ай бұрын
Amazing work by the controller and the pilots -- you can hear it in the pilot's voice, that was a tough situation! Definitely a clown car situation on the ground with the rescue vehicles though. Glad everyone was OK!
@VegasHeavyAircraft3 ай бұрын
Fantastic work as usual Victor! There was much more to this story than just a "hard landing" as initially reported.
@NicolaW723 ай бұрын
Indeed. This initial report was misleading.
@execnav3 ай бұрын
Good job CA and FO. And great job coordinating with CFR with the stairs. There was a ton of crap going on at that point and you guys managed to work it out. I'm so proud of everyone involved, but especially that flightdeck and cabin crew.
@shortylucy2 ай бұрын
A pilot is a pilot, regardless of airline. Great job by the pilot and ATC! So glad they landed safely and no one was injured. Excellent!
@jimmc29903 ай бұрын
That controller was a total ice cube. Thank God we have people like him working all over the country. Amazing job!
@Johnwashere-dt2ov3 ай бұрын
Pilots and ATC superb professionalism, the fire crew may need to review this incident.
@TheChrisJones3 ай бұрын
I just saw this headline on the news and had no idea it was this serious. Thought it was only a landing gear fire on landing. Harrowing to listen to. Great job on getting this out so fast VASAvaiation!
@captkev7373 ай бұрын
Superb job by the Controller & Pilots, the Controller had a calm reassuring voice.
@carolinelvsewe3 ай бұрын
😢Great job, scary watch! Thank you to all who guard the skies and flights!!
@blancolirio3 ай бұрын
On it...Thanks Victor!
@KCFreitag3 ай бұрын
One of the best! This exhibits how variables in a "standard" emergency need to be addressed!
@spinkid20003 ай бұрын
For ATC I agree. I'm not sure how I feel about fire rescue pulling the stairs up after the pilot announced their evacuation.
@HerpDerpNV3 ай бұрын
@@spinkid2000 ARFF was freelancing.
@EoRdE63 ай бұрын
Interesting to note that the fire on landing was a run of the mill gear fire seemingly unrelated to the smoke incident that actually led to the emergency approach
3 ай бұрын
This is why l have the utmost respect for pilots, Air Traffic Controllers and Fire Fighters. As well as all responders. When things like this happens, they do incredible things/
@waynec94443 ай бұрын
The fire fighters did not do a damn thing except get in the way.
@galady86323 ай бұрын
@@waynec9444 * Who do you think put out the fire? Not catering or cabin service or gate agents or ticket agents or bag handlers or fueltruck drivers . . . . methinks it was fire fighters! Yes, the airstairs were in the wrong location. I don't know Frontier's protocols or guidelines but I haven't observed firefighters operating airstairs. Someone must have mentioned 'take airstairs and busses to evacuate the a/c but the Captain had other plans. No lives were lost. Everyone was safe. Overall I consider that a positive.
@keithmiller27143 ай бұрын
Great video Victor. Agencies will be using this for future training for sure!
@sb8593 ай бұрын
That was a nasty emergency to deal with. Fortunately the radios worked on the ground and the call was made to not blow slides, but its chaotic because the pilots cant see the engines or anything behind them.
@spinkid20003 ай бұрын
he did want to evacuate (which was a wise choice based on past mistakes in delaying an evacuation) but ground pulled the stairs up and blocked him. They are lucky that fire was contained because if you had smoke going into the cabin or fire spreading inside (which ground could not see) it could have been deadly.
@sb8593 ай бұрын
@@spinkid2000 in that case, the FAs pop the slides no matter what.
@Glegh3 ай бұрын
5:11 "Can you talk to the pilot?" "No he has no radio" "Can you talk to the pilot?" "No"
@4name2533 ай бұрын
ATC did say "They're unable to transmit to YOU" so fair enough ig
@tommaxwell4293 ай бұрын
Wow! Well done! Better comms than a lot of these videos with working radios. I do wonder what happened with the radios since they came back at the end. Perhaps there was an issue with them being on oxygen and talking at the same time. Everything was going good up until the yahoo parked under the door. Must have been braking really hard to blow all of those tires. Everyone walked away which is the goal. Sounded like the crew had a real pucker factor going on, who can blame them!
@katanamd3 ай бұрын
I suspect they had masks on due to smoke and could not respond. Once on the ground the risk of passing out is much lower so they removed masks. This is just a theory.
@cjmillsnun3 ай бұрын
@@katanamd Masks are equipped with mics, they can respond normally when wearing masks - indeed at the start of the video that's exactly what they were doing. More likely some kind of failure that they didn't have time to deal with in the air, but once stationary could use other means.
@lisanadinebaker51793 ай бұрын
@tommaxwell - braking hard and landing fast. I suspect they were pushing to get that aircraft on the ground ASAP. Minutes can make a difference when fire/smoke is involved. Outstanding performance by ATC and aircraft crew.
@joelinnebur3 ай бұрын
My only thought is that the radios were working fine initially, but maybe after they dropped the Ram Air Turbine (part of the emergency checklist) is when they were unable to transmit. Maybe electronic in nature due to the situation
@smileyheckster72313 ай бұрын
Likely they had lost power to what I assume is their powerful long range transmitters. Short Range probably wasn't affected. Has happened to me on small planes before.
@SuperMyacc3 ай бұрын
That felt hectic, but the controllers, pilots and rescue personnel all did an amazing job!
@augustomartins95163 ай бұрын
The calmest "Radar contact lost" I've ever heard.
@lvsluggo0073 ай бұрын
Usually when you hear "Radar contact lost", you start looking for a towering column of smoke... You gotta wonder WHY they lost radar contact when the plane was ~5,000 feet still?
@buckhorncortez3 ай бұрын
@@lvsluggo007 Because the radar display on the ATC screen is from the transponder, not the aircraft reflecting the radar.
@Ac325723 ай бұрын
I was on the flight. We had no idea there were any issues before a hard landing that popped the cockpit door open. The plane came to a quick stop on the runway. As soon as we stopped we saw fire trucks spraying the plane down. There was no panic on the plane. We were then told we would have to wait for air stairs to be brought to the plane and we disembarked on the runway. They brought in buses to take us back to the terminal. No Frontier staff talked to us in the terminal. Two days later I received an email with a $200 travel voucher.
@ChrisJohnson-hk6es2 ай бұрын
Kudos to the pilots for handling that emergency like total professionals. Also kudos to ATC and fire rescue. Glad to see they didn't have to evacuate, as they seem to generate some injuries. I bet those passengers were freaking when they saw the smoke and fire crews spraying.
@Lucaswingz3 ай бұрын
Sensational work from ATC! As always, awesome video 🐸
@PetrolHeadBrasil3 ай бұрын
The app controller.... WELL DONE!!!
@OSUfan7573 ай бұрын
The controller recognizing the ident as responses from the flight crew was ingenious.
@GeneralDesignInnovation-es4zz3 ай бұрын
Not ingenious. A well known backup method of acknowledging.
@VASAviation3 ай бұрын
It's common practice
@BruiserFL3 ай бұрын
Great job ATC and the Frontier crew!
@yaronsteinbuch39563 ай бұрын
Amazing job by ATC. Incredible sequence of events. Thanks for posting.
@gpslightlock142223 күн бұрын
Sounds like they had an electrical fire. Great work by ATC w/ the IDENT.
@Boodieman723 ай бұрын
Sorry I couldn't talk, I was too busy flying the airplane and navigating. Good job on the controller telling the pilots to use the IDENT button for acknowledgement.
@NicolaW723 ай бұрын
Indeed.
@clarkosaurus3 ай бұрын
Can you explain ‘ident’ button?
@aj7423 ай бұрын
@@clarkosaurus The "IDENT" button in modern jets is usually a way of letting controllers know exactly where your airplane is without them having to look around their radar scope, especially if there are a lot of aircraft and they need to spot your plane quickly. Pressing the button will result in that airplane's details flashing, I think three times if memory serves. In this case of course, since the controller realized communication by normal means was problematic, he told the pilots to use that button to acknowledge his instructions when they heard them.
@duckfeverretrievers6003 ай бұрын
It had nothing to do with being too busy. They had electrical issues, either because of the issue itself, an issue with the mics in the masks, or they turned stuff off to isolate the potential fire.
@dominicdahlheimer68613 ай бұрын
Great job pilots and atc!
@danniballecter79363 ай бұрын
That was the calmest I've ever heard someone say "Radar contact lost." Just hearing the phrase sends chills. ATC and the pilots did such an outstanding job and got everyone down safely!
@lwheatcraft3 ай бұрын
Radar contact lost isn’t always an emergency. Sometimes it’s just routine. If you fly in the flatlands, it happens less often.
@vlieg-piet3 ай бұрын
Very intens flight, not only for the pilots but also for the controllers. Split second decisions that can be amended anytime. Good coordination between all parties and also good not to evacuate via the slides. Because of the panic involved, people would only get hurt.
@Theonedjneo3 ай бұрын
Kudos to the approach controller.
@ynot64733 ай бұрын
communication down to ident, just enough to acknowledge message received.
@Beastjimbo3 ай бұрын
My parents were on this flight, my dad says the flight went well until the approach to landing phase of the flight! At first I thought it was a problem with the landing gear, but after listening to the radio comms it makes things much clearer. My dad also said that some passengers started to smell smoke in the cabin. God is great I'm happy my parents and everyone in the flight are OK❤ salute to the pilots!
@NicolaW723 ай бұрын
❤
@richardgaynor2343 ай бұрын
God is great unless he drowns everyone, Noah liked him.
@jibeji3 ай бұрын
Great job ATC !
@EdOeuna3 ай бұрын
An interesting scenario that seems to be getting addressed more and more in sims lately. Don’t just evacuate. Take information from what the cabin crew can see, what the tower can see and what RFF can see. Don’t just blow the slides in a panic. Take your time and evaluate. Clearly in this scenario they’ve got extra information about the aircraft that is not immediately available to them. Not all emergency landings end with an evacuation.
@iocat3 ай бұрын
It did end with an evacuation, just not down the slides.
@LiamsCarsandblocks3 ай бұрын
@iocat yea thats the point. Blowing the slides almost always results in injuries. If it can be prevented, then it should be. But there is a fine line, because fire and smoke can come quick, if you hesitate it can cost lives.
@EdOeuna3 ай бұрын
@@iocat - that’s not an evacuation then.
@spinkid20003 ай бұрын
@@LiamsCarsandblocks Exactly. Sad examples exist of delaying evacuation. If that cabin had been full of smoke that blocked exit would have been a HUGE issue.
@rdfox763 ай бұрын
@@spinkid2000 Just that one? Not really. The standard required before you can start operating an aircraft type is a demonstration of evacuating a complete planeload of unknowing passengers from the airplane *with half the exits blocked*, randomly selected and marked as "blocked" by a simulated fire *after* the cabin is buttoned up, with all window shades down and all FAs strapped into their seats, and nobody on board having any knowledge of which exits are blocked. This still requires the complete airplane to be evacuated in 90 seconds or less, even though the FAs don't know which exits they can use, and the pax don't know what the hell is going on. (The passengers are recruited through want ads in the newspaper, and are told that the airline will pay them a couple hundred bucks to be passengers on a "cabin crew training flight" to help them learn how to properly operate the new type. It's generally designed to convince them that they're being hired to ride around for a few hours as the FAs test their cabin service procedures... and yes, the FAA does make you recruit an entire new planeload for every test, none of whom may have *ever* been part of an evacuation test *or* an employee of *any* airline before.) So an evac on the runway with one slide blocked? The FAs would have seen it was blocked (which is why every exit door has a window in it), blocked off that door, and evacuated everyone else with all the other slides, no problem.
@FromGamingwithLove04563 ай бұрын
Great to see these personnel on all 3 sides of this call run a clinic on how to manage inflight / runway emergencies. As an ARFF guy we're not seeing a lot of these incidents occur (and we're all thankful) so when we can see how it's happening "out there" during real incidents in excellent replays like this, it helps us gain perspective on the types of challenges the flight crew and responders can face.
@NewmanAttack2 ай бұрын
ATC and Fire were all on point! Get these guys to train others ASAP!!!
@RusskiCommieBot3 ай бұрын
He sounds a lot like the final approach controller in the Airport 1970 movie. Very cool and well spoken.
@W2IRT3 ай бұрын
I was thinking exactly that. I'd never heard of a PAR approach before that. Saw it the day it came out (late-69, I think).
@n0r3gr3ts3 ай бұрын
Give me a ping Vasili. One ping only please.
@lisanadinebaker51793 ай бұрын
@n0r3gr3ts - You beat me to it!!!
@TonyN4913 ай бұрын
That explains why ATC was sending dimensions on Playboy's Playmate of the Month...
@Juttutin3 ай бұрын
EXCELLENT all around - my only thought was to wonder if the controller could have given a phone number to the aircraft for use AFTER landing if radios were still not functioning.
@realulli3 ай бұрын
The controller sounded like he was dreaming of becoming capcom some time, ice cool but very on point. The pilot sounded like he had some blood mixed in the the adrenaline. However, excellent job by all involved!
@johnpoindexter65943 ай бұрын
Cool, calm and collected A+ Service
@nelsonbrandt78473 ай бұрын
Amazing coverage of this incident.
@suphowyoubeen3 ай бұрын
5:35 It is almost like he was talking to you Vasaviation😅
@VASAviation3 ай бұрын
Indeed!
@Antwelm3 ай бұрын
LooooooL
@Republic3D3 ай бұрын
Well done by the pilots and ATC.
@SeligTiles3 ай бұрын
The blancolirio channel has a great vid up about this. The aircraft was in a reduced electrical configuration. The RAT was also deployed.
@PlaneSpotterRVer3143 ай бұрын
Reminded me ba BA2276 from 9 years ago. The controllers here are awesome they always handle the situation in a calmly manner
@bobbiac3 ай бұрын
Aviate. Navigate. Communicate. Even if the radios were working, priority would have been to get on the ground ASAP. Credit to all involved.
@mxb_se3 ай бұрын
Wow this was crazy. Glad they are ok! Huge congrats to the flight crew and ATC for being so on point.
@scpvrr2 күн бұрын
Kudos to the controller who stayed with them and kept solidly calm.
@andij6053 ай бұрын
That approach ATC is so good at their job. I know this is what they train for, but it's rare to hear the training work so well.
@randomnewyorklawyer3 ай бұрын
My friend was in the plane waiting to take off behind this plane and saw fire. Glad to know what happened here.
@mrdan2898Ай бұрын
Amazing Controller! Deserves a massive pay raise! Many controllers would be like you ignore me, I IGNORE YOU!
@cryptobox1283 ай бұрын
When they dropped off radar there, the controller's heart must have dropped all the way down to his shoes. But he kept his voice level.
@cryptobox1283 ай бұрын
@@Look_What_You_Did Begging your pardon, but what on EARTH are you talking about?
@eritain3 ай бұрын
@@cryptobox128 Don't feed the troll. Read around, you will notice all of their comments are just pissing on random strangers.
@theinfinitistig11093 ай бұрын
Great job by ATC and the crew. They all kept calm, and that is how to handle it like a pro.
@johnburgess20842 ай бұрын
So nice to see when everything goes right. (At least, as "right" as possible under the circumstances.)
@elizabeth59853 ай бұрын
Wow that whole thing gave me chills. "Radar contact lost" -- that controller is gonna have nightmares about this for a while. Well handled by everyone!
@crew-dog26683 ай бұрын
Very surprised that the fire department didn’t know he was radio out. That should have been told to them.
@parkerholden71403 ай бұрын
Beautifully handeled by all involved. Professionalism at its best
@Derderderheisst3 ай бұрын
Great video and awesome job by that Approach Controller. Would be really interesting to see how the airspace arround was handled
@rachaellawrence86353 ай бұрын
Brave professionalism by all. Bravo.
@Gatorsfan4563 ай бұрын
Damn I knew the outcome already but seeing them drop off radar still made my heart sink phew
@revcrussell3 ай бұрын
Sounds like ARFF needs more drills. ARFF needs to know where to park appropriately, even during an emergency. Those doors might need to blow. I work nuclear and during a drill I recall FF showing up and parking in what would be in the high radiation zone. As the radiation expert on scene we tried to make sure that didn't happen again.
@imkeerock3 ай бұрын
AWESOME JOB by the flight crew and ATC! Well done!
@CPcamaro3 ай бұрын
That controller was great. Just smoothly transitions to instructions with ident responses and brought them right in.
@QFWP3 ай бұрын
Great job for the ATC to come up with a way he knew they were getting his messages, IDENT saves the day
@vw727133 ай бұрын
Wow, that was interesting! Awesome communication of that first controller. Blind transmissions with a slow and clear pronounciation. After landing it appeared to become chaotic... In daily life fire chiefs are used to be on top of situations, but in that case the captain sole authority to order an evacuation. To get a picture of the situation and make up his mind he needs information from outside as well as the flight attendants (so a lot of communication in that short time frame). Here it sounded more like an interrogation by the fire department. ... While the captain does that, the first officer goes through the EMER EVAC checklist to shut down all engines and depressurize the airplane. Its important that that is done in a timely manner, so that an evacuation won't be delayed. Imagine what the jet blast will do to inflated slide behind and people using them; also in the front people could be sucked in especially with the door layout on an A321. See LaudaMotion flight OE-LOA where the cabin crew initiated an evacuation without the pilots being aware.
@freevillein97633 ай бұрын
That controller was amazing!
@AntCooke3 ай бұрын
Really professional job from everyone. Brilliant stuff.
@simonaustin72233 ай бұрын
If a crew states they’re evacuating, they EVACUATE. That’s how they’re trained. It’s the captain’s decision and once the cabin crew is advised, the evacuation is never cancelled. The crew does not wait for direction from CFR.
@jameskim623 ай бұрын
Excellent handling by Everyone!!!!! Very Professional !!!!!
@SEA-U23 ай бұрын
Amazing Job All the Way Around 👍💪
@KFCMakeGoodWingIets3 ай бұрын
That's a proper shit show. Well done boys for keeping it together
@arkiefyler3 ай бұрын
Tough call, most injuries occur from people not using the slides correctly.
@matt1544zxc33 ай бұрын
"This rollaboard is really important! I have to bring it with me!!"
@nicolassales86793 ай бұрын
No wait I have to save this carry on case full of crap I bought on vacation!