Frostpunk - The Extreme Survival Challenge

Frostpunk is a game about surviving in a frozen wasteland, and it just picked up a bunch of new difficulty options called 'extreme', so I think we all know what I'm doing now...
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[@mid-nite_drive-thru]

"Why didn't I think of that?!? We could have put corpses in the generator! Ok, it's probably thinking like this that got me deposed." XD Hilarious.

[@oneofmanyjames-es1643]

After 50 minutes there are *some* people still alive. I'm impressed! I mean, you've been exiled as a disgrace to humanity, but still.

[@McQueeb]

"I've got little people, who are just chilling out around here..." CHILLING OUT CHILLING

[@Healermain15]

Don't worry, they're cool with it.

[@PoisonInc]

Recently started playing this and having a bit of a rough time with it. This makes me feel marginally better.

[@fatearcher]

You should have been building Gathering Posts for the resource piles. 10 People working at a Gathering Post can work multiple Resource Piles quicker than 15 people working on only 1 Resource Pile. Also if you have enough Engineers they should only be working in Medical Posts and Workshops. Also for nighttime you can turn on the Generator Overdrive to keep everyone warm while they sleep. Helps prevent them from getting sick while they're sleeping.

[@ze_rubenator]

"We are starving and freezing to death. Whatever will we do? I know! We'll build an arena, that will surely solve all our problems!" It's good to know Jon's priorities are in order.

[@fishyface3940]

As if CK II wasn't enough of a test for your moral compass Jon!

[@Yasha_U]

Cocking hell you do not touch the second tier that fast jon You also are going to do better with gathering posts, they gather pretty fast compared to the pile gathering Steam hubs do not require steam cores. Steam cores are only required for big resource factory like coal mine (NOT THUMPERS) wall drill, iron mine and hothouse. Scouts are really essential for your survival as they can bring more people to your city (but also more housing and mouth to feed), but they will pay off in the long run as you're going to need a ton more coal and the people to gather them without the generator shutting down. Hunting does take a lot of people but later there's a tech upgrade that reduces hunter count from 15 to 10 which is amazing. A cookhouse can function pretty good with 2-3 people, no need to fully man them pretty similar to medical posts, esp when you're low on engineers. Faster gathering is really handy on early game, don't underestimate it. Extended shift is better than emergency shift, so pair it with fighting arena, and if you have time, get the moonshine law. People will stop complaining about soups. I generally prefer coal thumpers but coal mine is better if you have steam cores to spare. You can also use kilns to convert wood to coals.

[@Yasha_U]

Once you got a lot of engineers, you can also build multiple workshop to speed up research progress. Child labor is nice to have, but i try to play with child shelter as they have an extra law that allows the children to be squires to either engineering or medics, enhancing the speed of research or recovery. At mid to later tier of the game, you'd do well to invest care house and prosthetics as well as automatons as they can streamline your typical rough holes, containing the sickly and giving them less food rations, no more amputees not doing anything, and a 24-7 working force at the cost of a little bit of efficiency (which is upgradable anyway)

[@GaratghDeloi]

Would recommend going with coal thumpers rather then coal mines. Because coal mines shutdown in the last survival part (and even with a ton of storage it's hard to have enough to survive)...

[@Yasha_U]

@@GaratghDeloi you're right! I just tried a run only using coal mines Coal thumper is straight up better. "Can be used with up to 2 gathering posts" Tfw i ended up building 3 posts just for onr thumper

[@chrisedwards3866]

The A New Home scenario is nice, and you could enjoy the game when only ever playing that scenario, but the Refugees scenario is absolutely amazing. You have to try it - I'd suggest playing a practice round on medium so you can fail safely, then filming another play on medium or hard. It's amazing, and it is beatable on Survival with 0 deaths - but I doubt Jon could do that.

[@kaibean8046]

"How long will I survive? Place bets now!" I say 15 days, 20 max. Edit: Well I lost that bet.

[@thomasesr]

Jon forgot about the exploration team, I am screaming at the screen!

[@missnisarang]

eeeyy i watched Jon's frostpunk vids just last week!! Im so happy about a new one! Yayyy!

[@welldeweye4233]

I'd like to watch a play-through that Jon doesn't ruin by immediately going for child workers, and actually sets up apprenticeships.

[@Sankey84Gaming]

We are stranded in a frozen wasteland and the first thing Jon. Says is everyone will have to chill. I think that was there problem they were to chilled. Another great episode would love to see section of the scenarios

[@thomasesr]

Next one will be Frostpunk: Kill Everything!

[@TheGrinningViking]

Oh Jon, right from the start. Don't go extreme before you master the game! Child labor is... Eh. Child apprenticeship is amazing! Need that research. I'm only just starting so I still leave it there, but I just hope you either show great talent from now on or lose with honor, as long as you don't stop cocking playing right when things get interestingly difficult.

[@chrisedwards3866]

The Grinning Viking The child researchers are useful, but personally I prefer to pick child labor and have several workshops, at least in the Refugees scenario which is overloaded with kids. I can't remember the exact stacking effects, and if the apprentices can add an extra amount (was it 40%?) beyond the effect of multiple workshops. You can get enough steam cores to use hothouses for all your food, and the kids are great at staffing those. The biggest research bonus you can get is from using automatons in the workshop; after I research that I usually re-staff my workshops so that 2 (out of 3 or 4) are staffed full-time by the automatons. You can theoretically gain a bit more efficiency by switching the staffing at workshops every evening and morning so that engineers do the day shift and automatons have the night shift. But, in my experience the automatons can have a long period of refueling that is triggered when they switch worksites, and that can result in no research at all for several hours. And considering that it's easy to build as many workshops as desired, and the automaton ones don't even need heat, it's all-around easier to just give two entirely to the machines while the manned ones provide a boost during the day. And I always have at least two, because the automatons won't hit 90%+ efficiency until much later, and the multi-workshop stacking effect only applies once the research speed passes 100%. So, a pair of automaton workshops at 70% efficiency each will result in something like 130% efficiency total, whereas a pair of fully manned workshops would hit 140% (without the kid helpers). I don't use workshop automatons as much in the Refugee scenario, because it is shorter and the research focus is usually a bit different, but it's useful in Arks as well. Though I'm a bit torn on Arks because I don't have many other warm places to send the engineers anyway. This is all IIRC stuff on mobile, so my percentages may be off. Also I only play on extreme/survivalist difficulty now (except for the New Manchester scenario, which I'm still learning in hard mode) so the development focuses may be different. To me, this is the most replayable game since Minesweeper.

[@sironastillwater]

So glad to see you revisit Canada simulator

[@polishenglish8356]

Truly fascinating game! I have to give it a try! :)

[@sharkofjoy]

I love when Jon does videos of Frostpunk

[@zachbergin6683]

this game looks awesome cant wait for part two

[@thomasesr]

Oh! I love Frostpunk! Its absolutely beautiful.

[@justinbrockway7044]

I’m ready for this!

[@IlrysKadiatu]

I saw those difficulty sliders, and was like "What absolutely insane masochist would voluntarily put these all the way up?!" Ah. Jon would. Of course.

[@tite93]

I was SO waiting for Jon's take on this game.

[@sharkofjoy]

He's played it several times on the channel already!

[@tite93]

@@sharkofjoy really? I must've missed it

[@TheComiKrowd]

Thanks very much for this.

[@Clobworld3]

Man I love frostpunk!

[@yeungscs]

Looks pretty...cool.

[@commanderbrad1199]

Chilling out jon I’m surprised that wasn’t on purpose

[@ilo3456]

Can we just rename this Video as Frostpunk - "British Man Sends Children to Factories"

[@dalvcthulhu]

extra labor hours all the early game, with 2 workshops shifting 24 hours one to another changing workers as needed, kitchen outside the first ring of heat, and you gotta have shelter and 1 hospital for the first night. fight clubs are amazing, just get all your hoses together and rush the small area heaters i forgot the name. honestly this game isnt that hard. but the early game is really punishing if you lack behind. child labour is amazing to be used as gatherers so adults can focus on hunting until you get better tech

[@boringmanager9559]

FINALLY!

[@TUNK92]

Pro tip: build as many workshops as you can affort

[@Penguin1535-p7b]

Welcome to Canada my friends 🇨🇦

[@Penguin1535-p7b]

@Patrick Parcivel lol, but to be real, i lived in Canada, and it can go to -20C

[@Cayde-13]

Kevin yuan -20C is the normal winter temperature. We sometimes have days where it drops to -30C or lower. That usually lasts a couple days to a week in the middle of January.

[@Penguin1535-p7b]

@@Cayde-13 i know, 6years living in canada, winter is the worst

[@BradTheAmerican]

*What's that aboot, eh?*

[@jeaton7734]

I love Jon

[@lou1958]

Gotta get those roads and resource gathering posts fast so citizens don't have to work in the snow and get ill. You can also add heaters and insulation to them after teching.

[@5Andysalive]

It's a bit weird in this game And worse from a logic pov in high dif. You'd think people in this situation are themselves interested in Surviving. That they complain so much and about silly things like not liking soup really makes no sense. It's a bit game mechanic for the sake of it.

[@chrisedwards3866]

5Andysalive that's definitely logical at first. But, the workers do a lot of their 'personal' stuff in the off time, like eating. And they'll build things all through the night and morning. But keep in mind, people will use time away from work to do critical things that aren't their dayjob: repair clothes, repair or improve their tent/house, take care of their family, or just rest and recover from manual labor.

[@5Andysalive]

But still. The imperative need to survive must be obvious to everybody in this situation. Obviously they complain if they have no houses or no heating, but some complaining feels completely silly. so does the fact that the others put up with it. They moan like sims who don't like their couch. Or Anno settlers who want coconuts.

[@chrisedwards3866]

One thing that we haven't considered as much is that the workers complain - but they don't refuse to work (except for occasional special events where the player can end a 24 hour shift early). Their discontent rises - but that's discontent with their leader, not a refusal to help the city. So, the threat isn't that they don't work, the threat is that they'll think the leader is incompetent and disorganized, and needs to be replaced with someone better. And with Jon playing, let's be honest - we know the leader is incompetent and disorganized. The workers will be a lot better off if they replace him. And at the end of the New Home scenario, the workers do show that they'll do long or 24-hour shifts without complaint, because they know the situation is dire and the leader has earned their trust.

[@migwar]

i went for 3 days, with 5 at the max.. so you surpassed my expectations

[@etsonbarentine1223]

More want more Frost Punk!!!

[@skinlesschickennugget2411]

Can you do this as a livestream? I know you already had one, but I really approve of seeing you making Moraldecisions

[@ilo3456]

He is not that good at dealing with the Stream and Frostpunk, I remember the stream he did of the game about when it came out.

[@Anya_khaos]

Wonder if Jon'll be even more cold-hearted this time

[@powzewu7854]

Is Frostpunk meant to be a winter apocalypse? This is what I call a typical Canadian winter.

[@yanhakan9519]

John. this is completely unrelated with Frostpunk and the video, but are you ever heard of game name aegis of earth: protonovus assault it was solid tower defense game with twist from the old genre. i suggesting you play that it was surprisingly pretty good for game that come out like 3 years ago. (great video by the way) (sorry, english is not my first language) also you could longed your food ration using soup. soup and alcohol pretty good when you think about it.

[@JugglerRK]

DO IT AGAIN!!!! FROSTPUNK SERIES!!!!!

[@crescentmethod]

I'll be honest, when Jon was messing with the "neediness" sliders, I was expecting a mean (and likely untrue) Claire joke to happen.

[@maciejcisowski7015]

I'm 15 minutes in and I'm wondering if Jon will ever find out what the 4th main button in the bottom dock does. I mean really, after doing 2 hour-long videos and a 3.5 hour livestream you'd think he would at least click on it. Jon, if you ever go back to Frostpunk (which I hope you will!), there are loads of useful stats in there, showing you your food deficit, coal consupmtion vs. gathering etc. It takes the guesswork out of the equation, at least when it comes to the status quo.

[@Laarye]

"Graves! Thems perfectly fine meat right there! Get to chopping!"

[@shyguynoah9826]

JOHN i really REALLY recommend you play the second season of telltale’s Batman series, it’s so much better than the first one and the joker has such a lovable personality in it

[@skorpion7132]

I'll admit, seeing MATN play it on this difficulty is great! But were it me playing I'd be as miserable as a worker (or child).

[@skinlesschickennugget2411]

Oh yes! Yes yes yes... :D

[@gargoyles9999]

XTREEEEMMMMMEE!!!!🎸

[@aggese]

Less then 2 min in and I are already suprised that the video is almost one h

[@Zargkhon]

I think Claire could do better as a leader. Vote Claire NOW!

[@zeezee9670]

@02:07 _Quite a flipping bad one.. It's -20 degrees C._ Hahaha I lived in Moscow in the early 90s and it was -20 very often and about 2 weeks each year year -40 degrees :D

[@fingusa]

One has to love how people in this game blame you for their incompetence.

[@laxmastiffgaming6351]

Jon. I am not even two minutes in. You... You are a masochist.

[@pennyc7833]

Is it possible to turn the generator off during the day when everyone's working and start it back up at night?

[@e.eriksson8191]

Yeah, but you lose the heating during the day, making people much more likely to get sick due to cold.

[@pennyc7833]

Ubernaut Thank you. I was just wondering because it's a thing we actually do to save money in winter. Heat the house at night and as little as possible during the day.

[@Koyotito20]

Damn the needs of these people hahaha. When are going to start XCOM2?

[@Lothrum]

Mismanagement and Jon? I thought the two were inseparable!

[@crisis8v88]

Maybe with a bit more practice, you can bring a Nice Cup of Tea run to Frostpunk.

[@mysticmystic325]

More

[@zDom]

Where is Captain Oates when you need him?

[@TheChaoticChangeling]

MOOOOOOOOOOOAR.

[@Dennis-vm6lu]

I know its 2018 but you should totally do a SOQR playthrough on rome total wat

[@TheShadowofDragons]

He asked for bets, so I say 8 days. The extra video length must come from a second attempt.

[@tigrecito48]

they should call this game COAL or COLD

[@ethanlai2050]

It’s time to go. *E X T R E M E*

[@tigrecito48]

doesnt seem a very efficient way to heat peoples homes etc just to have a huge open air heater in a crater burning a shit ton of coal.. ever thought maybe have internal areas with pipes so the heat doesnt escape to the atmosphere and like hot water goes along pipes thru peoples housing etc?? something like that..

[@DHGcrimson]

9days?

[@gerbendejong7057]

you should try surviver-mode... you can't pause the game.. XD

[@Tomoyodaidoji]

Two words: Kobayashi Maru

[@tigrecito48]

you should play house flipper extreme

[@DontsleepLTU]

Divinity original sin 2 playtrough or riot

[@jamessakoman7507]

I bet 4 days

[@average_trans_furry]

30

[@MrWeedWacky]

I bought this game, it would not start, found out I had to mess with files to get it to work, got a refund.

[@ledzeppelin27]

I don't know, I just don't really enjoy "made to lose" challenges.

[@Grace1957-]

Is this supposed to be fun?

[@sbsftw4232]

My money was on 6 days.

[@turtdlea8332]

5 day

[@MattG-mw7zi]

Can you repeal laws? Because using children to jumpstart a stockpile and normalizing with regular workers and repealing child labor could help

[@e.eriksson8191]

After laws are written down, you can't repeal them.

[@jegsanchez2946]

No one else said first so I'll be first

[@average_trans_furry]

5th I'm sorry

[@GAnimeRO]

Society's Attitude - Extrem, so basically it's Tumblr?

[@MrPicklecopter]

Why is there always one person that dislikes? Are you that pathetic?

[@Zach-lf9su]

I'm sorry, but the premise of this game is dumb. Why wouldn't you build a structure around your heat source to keep the warmth inside? It's -10000000 degrees out and you have an giant furnace and instead of building a structure around it, you build a shack near it? Those people kinda deserve their fate.