Frozen | Does It Hold Up Ten Years Later?

[@amethystimagination3332]

Every little girl who’s remotely creative has a character like Elsa squirrelled away in a notebook somewhere in her room. A girl with a sad backstory, cool powers, a pretty outfit and hair style all that good stuff. This was true well before Frozen and it’s at least 40% of why the movie did so well. Elsa was basically made in a lab for little girls to role play as and for nerdy teenage girls to write angsty fan fiction about

[@awhimsyreader9015]

honestly kind of insane how Disney thought Anna was going to be the more popular of the two when Elsa literally had all those aformentioned traits

[@BioLivbanon]

This. Yep, this. Everything is bad about the movie, but it sold because of the power and the "self insert" aspect.

[@jamiek8123]

yeah, both of them really, both have a bit of anxiety and such, one goes the romantic dreamy, 'oh I want true love and for it to work out' bit, and the other does the 'power trip' and 'run away from it all' bit, they are the conflict of wanting attention and being left the fudge alone with a hefty helping of emotional angst. and to be honest it is quite interesting how well it does it, and how I can't think of other movies that do that so well, they hit that niche quite well (and this isn't to be negative, I go thru those emotions, ugh life is confusing)

[@saigecade5830]

right? It's also why I loved Elsa and couldn't understand how people didn't like her. Nowadays, people don't even want characters without some sort of trauma and Anna and Elsa were very much that. I just really love how, for lack of a better word, flawed Elsa was. She was princess with problems. Real, life altering, therapy-needed problems lol

[@barbarabaker1457]

Even Cinderella wasn't about marrying a guy. It was about a blatant abuse victim who stayed positive despite all that and merely dreamed of one night off to forget a cold and violent family dynamic and take one night off from her indentured servitude. And she was gifted it, even got to be a normal teen falling for a cute guy for a night. That was enough and she went back to her life she had no way out of. Then bam! An escape in the form of said cute guy appeared and she fought tooth and nail to get out. The prince? Well, he Had to marry either way, may as well be someone he found appealing. Little more shallow, but it wasn't really his story to be honest.

[@BetterWithBob]

And given that he was like "no I'm going to marry the girl who spent the whole night dancing with me not knowing I was the prince, meaning she liked me for me" that's a pretty good indicator that he's a decent person

[@barbarabaker1457]

@BetterWithBob Excellent perspective, never notice that. Thank you. And on her end, he was probably the first human to ever be kind to her since her father died.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@barbarabaker1457 I only just thought of that as I read the comment so give yourself the credit for the inspiration XD

[@hunterolaughlin]

That’s not an excuse though for lack of character development and chemistry and I don’t care if Cinderella ends up with a bland guy. I’d be more happier for her if she married any other Disney Prince that has more personality than hers like Aladdin or Prince Phillip or Prince Adam or Prince Naveen.

[@daitigris3473]

​@@hunterolaughlin Static characters aren't bad and just as important a fixture as dynamic characters in stories. I think many overstate the idea of chemistry of being a definitive marker to tell if romance is worth it, along with emphasizing all the loud parts of romance. Enjoying the attraction, keeping space for quiet moments, and upmost attentiveness are just important. If not key factors in building chemistry together.

[@Rawan.9472]

A thing to point is that Hans wasn’t originally meant to be the villain. The original villain was just going to be Elsa. When you look at the behind the scenes, you find out that the Hans’ villain plot twist was made last minute. They changed their minds halfway through the script. There’s even clips of deleted scenes that shows Elsa being a villain. For example: the scene where Anna & the rest, fall off the cliff because of the snow monster, Elsa goes after them and intensifies the blizzard towards their direction. All of which takes place after let it go, where it’s her time in isolation. There’s another clip where, she uses her powers on two guards for information and then it’s revealed that she’s been building up her own army. The beginning of the movie was trying to buildup Elsa into becoming a villain. So because of the change in villains, it made a lot of plot holes and ruined certain characters and their relationships. Which explains why Anna and kristoff had no chemistry because Kristoff wasn’t intended to be a love interest.

[@dominiqueodom3099]

I always hated the sequence of Kristoff running back to Anna on his deer because he doesn't do anything. He runs back,stumbles through the storm and then just stands there

[@SplatterInker]

I actually love Kristoff as a love interest. Because he is plagued by self doubt which a lot of young men are. Because she's oblivious, which a lot of young women are. Because Kristoff isn't sweeping her off her feet and promising the earth - he wants to build something together. Because we don't need a complete romantic arc in this movie for those characters, I'm fine with just a beginning. Because Kristoff doesn't intercede himself because he can see its not his place, but also he comes back, because he does care. Gents, you don't need to be the big damn hero. You just need to be there for people, to offer your help, to ask what needs to be done rather than making it all about you. And that's more realistic too because people ain't psychic.

[@sorcerersapprentice]

The part that gets me is that there is a way that they could've had their cake and eat it to. Just make Elsa like a darker version of Bruno from Encanto. Have her be the black sheep of the family that was locked away thanks to her powers and somehow got away. Cut to years later, and she's plotting to get back at those who hurt her. Anna's goal is trying to get through to Elsa and save her from herself. Boom! Close sister bond and villain Elsa.

[@ThePreciseClimber]

I guess they were trying to break away from the traditional Disney formula. Hey, it worked for The Emperor's New Groove when it was re-worked from The Kingdom of the Sun. But it didn't really work here, IMHO. It feels sloppy and I would've preferred an evil Snow Queen.

[@oceanlilly9408]

Yes he was? Yes Elsa was originally going to be a villain but not a classically evil one like most people think. Its kind of a long story but in one of earlier drafts of Frozen Elsa was going to be a sympathetic villain that got a redemption at the end and Hans was going to be revealed to be the true villain of the movie. The reason his twist was so sudden was because I think certain creators (and i think John lassater?) pushed for that to make his villainy more iconic and surprising (oh the irony). I get why people believe this but no Hans wasn't originally a good guy if you look at the cut drafts and concept art his twist was just REALLY badly done.

[@gemstonejasper17]

When this movie came out, I was in my first year of high school and my second major depressive episode. I stayed in my room in my basement, would cut and fantasize about suicide, struggled with bulimia, was bullied at my new school, was SA'd by a friend of the family but wasn't believed, was watching my grandmother slowly die on hospice at home, and many other things. My baby sister (9-10 at the time) would always come knocking at my door. She would ask to play cards, of all things. I had taught her several games and she wanted to finally beat me. That was our "Do you wanna build a snowman?" I was scared that my depression, my toxic behaviors, and many other things would hurt her. She was the only reason I made it through that year. Everyone started talking about Frozen and how it's about sisters. I saved up my money from my summer job and took her to see it. Popcorn, soda, candy. I went all out for her because she was and still is the most important thing in my life. We both loved it and I related so much to Elsa. It became our special movie. Though it has it's flaws, this movie will always hold a special place in my heart❤️

[@shmee123ful]

the bigest mistake with hans is that making him a villain is unnecessary , firstly elsa is already an unintentional antagonist and if you need a villain the duke was already primed. i know we are all about subverting expectations these days but sometimes when you set something up its ok to pay it off with out pulling the rug from under us. if anything that would have being interesting if both cristoh and hans had being good men that anna liked and having to cose between both. maybe anna gets swept of her feet by hans immediatly but bonds more with cristofs 'more down to earth personality and maybe you could have a heel turn with hans but have it be out of fear and love for anna, he thinks that killing elsa will save anna when his kiss dosnet work

[@CleverGirlAAH]

That's not bad! And I'm a tough critic.

[@BetterWithBob]

YES! That would be so much better.

[@Rikrobat]

I love that idea! However, I’m quite cynical in that I think Hans was also made “irredeemable despite the lack of set-up” so that people cheer for Anna when she punches him off the ship at the end. If you make his motivations more reasonable or have him be more empathetic, then I suspect people would be mad at Anna for not picking him.

[@charmedx3219]

I always head cannoned that in the song "fixer upper" the trolls cast a spell on Hans to become evil because of this line "Her quote 'engagement' is a flex arrangement And by the way I don't see no ring" implying they couldn't use their magic if a ring was protecting the engagement.

[@BetterWithBob]

Lol excellent head canon. Trolls are evil beings in most mythologies. Totally what they'd do XD

[@ariwl1]

I am a person who thought Frozen was amazing the first time I watched it, and then had my enthusiasm dwindle upon rewatches. I couldn't quite put my finger on why for a long while. And then I watched Honest Trailers refer to Frozen as "The feature-length music video for 'Let it Go,'" and I went "Ah, that's why."

[@TomWDW1]

I'm glad to see someone who admits to really loving the film be able to objectively criticize it and it's flaws. I always disliked this film, so some of the points I try to make come off as 'mean' or 'biased.' But hearing you balance the positives and negatives is refreshing. Ps: I so agree that this movie is ugly.

[@BetterWithBob]

I did rewatch the sequel recently and was like "oh thank god it still looks pretty"

[@BioLivbanon]

You have always disliked it too? Will you be my friend?! 🥹

[@MrHenrytheoctopus]

The movie relies a lot heavier on the music and beautiful animation than people care to admit. There are a few moments that made me cringe even back then. But the moral of showing compassion and reaching out to each other still rings true.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@MrHenrytheoctopus and I don't even think the animation is that good 😅

[@MrHenrytheoctopus]

@@BetterWithBobyeah, I thought to give it a rewatch and the animation doesn’t hold up. Lol. I also hate how fucking ugly all the merchandise is, come to think of it. I think I mostly just remember how cool Elsa’s magic looked.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

I think this was one of the ideal films to do in 3D, since I feel like the appeal of 3D is it's realism, so the snow, ice, the fabric, and Anna's hair were so great to see.

[@EgeKor-qk5vz]

But that's the thing with musical. They need to rely on the music

[@stephaniewozny3852]

And the cast. The cast, no matter what you think of the characters, is phenomenal.

[@trinaq]

This movie is still watchable, but there's better Disney films, namely "Encanto", "Coco", "Tangled", etc.

[@BetterWithBob]

Is Coco Disney or Pixar?

[@henrymockingbird9645]

@@BetterWithBobit a Pixar movie

[@OpticalSorcerer]

​@@BetterWithBob Pixar, but ironically it had the songwriters from "Frozen."

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Absolutely no disprespect to your taste, but I found "Encanto" good but overstuffed (the side arcs felt rushed and Pepa's family felt underdeveloped) and "Tangled" only good for Gothel, her songs (her reprise is one of the greatest Disney villain songs and I will defend that), and Rapunzel herself. The setting, Flynn Rider, and supporting characters I wasn't entirely crazy about. And "Coco" is Pixar.

[@BetterWithBob]

I think Tangled is a better story and it succeeds by being less obnoxious about its pandering than Frozen and Princess & the Frog do. Rapunzel is a good character, and Gothel is a great villain (she should have set the template the way Ursula did for the Renaissance villains). Flynn is quite good too, though making him a commoner who starts out rogueish and gets redeemed through love is still pretty cliché compared to the prince from the original - who gets blinded and still searches for Rapunzel even after she's been cast out Its songbook is very weak - with only Mother Knows Best and I See The Light being decent. It's more a movie with songs than a musical. It still has some of that 'trying to be Dreamworks' that at least Princess & the Frog and Moana didn't have that prevents it from being truly great. It has good ingredients but the execution is a bit lacking. And yeah I just don't like the CGI animation, though the Kingdom Dance sequence is very stunning

[@gilangsetyawibawa185]

That's alright, we've got a Wicked movie now, Frozen is just a stall for Wicked fans who at the time, were still waiting for a Wicked movie.

[@BetterWithBob]

Lol one of my friends described it as 'Wicked on Ice'

[@skzip888]

Kristoff is the snarky ordinary guy trope that's used as a self-insert for writers. At best you get a copy of Mr Darcy and at worst you get Xander.

[@BetterWithBob]

#Dead (do people still say that?)

[@skzip888]

@@BetterWithBob never knew they started.

[@skzip888]

@@BetterWithBob but Santino Fontana played a Rom Com desonstructon of this very trope in Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.

[@growingupwithdisney]

I HATED Fixer Upper for years, until I realized it’s about Elsa and Anna’s relationship, NOT Anna and Kristoff. Like “his (her) isolation is confirmation for his (her) desperation of human hugs”, that’s why Let It Go is not the end of Elsa’s story, she needs human connection. “I’m not saying you can change him (her), cuz people don’t really change.” Anna couldn’t FORCE Elsa to open up, when she took Elsa’s glove, that made Elsa say enough and people see her as evil for her magic. And when Anna went to her ice castle and said she KNOWS Elsa can stop the winter, it stressed Elsa out and froze Anna’s heart. “Loves a force powerful and strange” and “but throw a little love their way” aka Anna and Elsa’s love saved both of their lives.

[@myperspective6207]

Yes! I always believed that the bridge was about Elsa and the female troll giving Anna some insight as to why her sister was behaving that way. You can even see it on Anna's face that she's internalizing that section and thinking about her sister. I think that that's also why in the end, although Anna was extremely hurt by everything Elsa had done, she still sacrificed her life to save her sister. She threw a little (more like a lot of) love Elsa's way instead of leaving her alone to meet her 'fate'. So the song isn't as annoying and pointless as many people think.

[@InternetNonsense]

Wow, if only there wasn't these rushed love triangle plotlines going on ( a well-mannered yet evil or well-meaning yet rude guy, Anna deserved better to be honest, someone more understanding and empathic with high EQ, as both canon guys were kind of bullies to her), it might've actually been a tolerable song about familial love. It doesn't work as a romantic one at all, "settle for someone incompatible with you out of pity" is worst advice you could ever give, while for understanding differences in family members it makes more sense. And if the movie is about prioritizing those bonds it should've gone all the way, not playing around with romance for so long "trying to subvert expectations" to the point it's reductive to the movie as a whole. They did it better, without silly love triangles in Maleficent a year later anyway, where the guy was okay, not a villain, not lackluster, but he didn't know the princess for long enough for it to count as "true love".

[@awesomezilla]

Thank you! This is something I've always noticed and that the songwriters and directors talk about all the time, yet it doesn't seem like many people who watched the movie picked up on the message! One element of the central core of the movie (this is even according to interviews) is that one sister represents love and the other fear, and while Elsa's arc is about learning to accept love and control her fear (let it go, she literally says "there's so much fear" in the scene at the ice palace, her final speech thawing the fjord), Anna's is about learning to control her love (this song, learning not to be deceived by Hans, the scene with Olaf by the fireplace).

[@BioLivbanon]

It did not. Elsa did NOTHING. Which is was I have always hated her as a character. Absolutely nothing, such a mary sue.

[@InternetNonsense]

​@@BioLivbanon Are you an extrovert? Because Elsa very much has a personality and quite relatable one at that. When you perceive yourself as a monster is it better to run away or embrace people you care about? What if your true self is alienating and opposed to others' expectations of you? She has a subtle, but very deep personality and is far from perfect with her self-isolating nature and being stuck in a lose-lose scenarios regarding treatment of people she loves.

[@yesensei]

Your point in making Kristoff like Elsa because he loves ice anyway actually makes so much more sense considering that in the sequel Elsa does eventually give up her throne to live in the woods anyway, and Anna would’ve ended up being queen with Hans. So Elsa and Kristoff would’ve been able to bond more post sequel.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@yesensei ooh excellent point, I hadn't thought of that

[@AileynRed]

Ok, hear me out: Unpopular hot take, Frozen doesn't go against grain and panders to the critics by renegading True Love, if anything it doubles down on the power of True Love and the messaging that appearances aren't everything and good (and love) conquers evil. Anna is still correct in believing in love, Hans wasn't just a charming Prince, he was a villain pretending to be one, much like The Evil Queen in Snow White's beauty was only skin deep. The reason why Frozen is associating with the pandering of criticism, is precisely because like with the Reinassance movies before it, the online discourse repeated at naseum that it was **the point** of the movie, when it really wasn't. Agreed on the trolls, they are the Frozen equivalent to Hunchback's Gargoyles. And I love that Kristen Bell is getting some love! I adore Idina, she's my undisputed Queen, but Kristen Bell is **slept on** in this movie and that's criminal.

[@awhimsyreader9015]

I feel Frozen is kind of overhated and that isn't just my bias talking because I loved that movie as a kid but I feel like since Disney did that annoying thing with twist villians for a while people looked a lot more unfavorably towards Frozen and always bring up how tired it is, often forgetting that at the time when Frozen had come out it was the first time Disney had done a twist villian and was at the time considered new and refreshing because they hadn't done a twist villain before (atleast in an animated movie because I know they did do it in Sky High)

[@terysame]

I love your channel so much as it tackles both the negative and positive aspects of a film, rather than just dunking on it and saying it's bad and taking away it's good parts even if they're limited! I love how in depth you are with both sides of a film

[@BetterWithBob]

Thank you!

[@Yidenia]

I've done a casual survey with my friends. Those who had siblings loved this movie. Those, including myself, who didn't have siblings, actually found this movie very unremarkable, if not bad. I think this movie certainly bit off more than it could chew, but if there's one central theme to be picked, it's that (sisterly) love prevails. Which, in this movie, was absolutely not believable for people who didn't grew up with siblings. I think people who do have siblings take for granted that their bonds are unconditional, but for those of us observing from the outside, particularly among royal siblings, the thing we tend to hear about are sibling rivalries that quickly turn into sibling murders in the quest for power and feeding one's own ego. Even among lay people, siblings sometimes hate each other's guts, and though most of the time something certainly seems to keep them tied together and encourage them to forgive or give each other chances no one else would even entertain, this is usually done with reluctance, hesitation, dread, wariness, apprehension, etc. The kind of fully enthusiastic zeal in which Anna supported Elsa wholeheartedly despite not even seeing her for a decade made absolutely no sense to those of us who expected there to be much more foundation behind this honestly blind belief in her sister. It was such a moronic presentation that made Anna seem like a total idiot and it colored the whole movie, because the entire time we were like "but why? We don't support your decision". There are other ways they could have shown this bond prevailing, the most important of which was that you can be supportive of someone while still questioning their motives. Anna could still have gone on an adventure to find her sister, but she could have gone with a more thoughtful attitude. Hans could have been with her, feeding her all the reasons why she might want to turn against Elsa: You don't know her, she's clearly kept secrets from you, are you even sure she likes you? What if she hurts you too? And Kristoff could have been the encouraging side: Even if Elsa does turn out to be a monster, she's your sister. Of course I understand. This would have made BOTH Hans AND Kristoff more compelling, and Anna, too, could have looked far smarter if she went on this search with a clear head, knowing that there is a lot she would lose if she's wrong, knowing that Arrendale is literally missing BOTH of the heirs to the throne while she's away, maybe even blaming herself for not being the sister Elsa might have needed. As it is, the central core plot was so poorly done, the only way this movie could have worked was with someone who has a sibling already and simply took that love as a default nature rather than something they had actually unwittingly built over their childhood years. I'm sorry, but if you never interacted with your sibling during a whole decade of critical growth during your childhood, you're not going to have the same relationship with them as you do now. That sort of love doesn't just happen without any effort.

[@BioLivbanon]

You also didn't like this movie? Thank you! I have felt so alone 😂 But those who dislike it seem to emerge from their corners now. Finally. It had so much potential, might I add. But they just did it all wrong in the movie.

[@Yidenia]

@@BioLivbanon I agree, it had such potential, many great ideas that it didn't really take the time to realize, even in preproduction, it was like they thought simply having these great ideas would be enough to carry this movie. There were actually a lot of us who weren't impressed in my circles, but we didn't want to rain on anyone's parade. It's harmless enough to like this movie, for whatever reason. I just didn't understand it, myself, but I attributed it to most people having siblings and having that default mindset that of COURSE Anna would love Elsa, because they themselves love their siblings. As an only child, I can't be expected to love someone who literally doesn't exist and at this point will never exist, so I think people like me were closer to Anna's situation of not knowing or even hearing a peep from this sister for a decade, and we were waiting for the movie to provide a reason for us/Anna to love Elsa, and it never did. I certainly felt sorry for Elsa, but I didn't love her because aside from her being scared of herself, she didn't have much else to her personality or her deeds throughout most of the movie. So this film didn't even have dramatic irony for it, none of us knew what there was to love about Elsa, much less why Anna thought there was. And I honestly don't know if this way of thinking is right, because maybe with siblings you don't need a reason to love them, but based on the number of inheritance wars and stories of brothers and sisters who cut each other off for good, I think at the most you can say that it takes a lot for siblings to kill each other (which, again, with royalty, doesn't even apply) but it sure doesn't mean you love them, much less even LIKE them, the way Anna inexplicably does. For all my friends who do think they love or like their siblings unconditionally, as an observer, I find that categorically untrue. Your love IS conditional, it's built from years and years of having to live under the same roof and going through life's trials together. It didn't just happen because you happened to share the same parent(s). And since this sibling bond was the main glue holding the film together, it was impossible for someone like me to accept its central theme, and everything about it becomes utter nonsense in the face of that.

[@Rikrobat]

It’s interesting that you found those with siblings liked the movie. It was my brother that made me realize how meh this movie is from a story-writing perspective. I was taken off-guard by Hans’s villain flip and liked the movie enough to share it with him. He clocked Hans as a villain at the beginning when he and Anna fell into the water. “Nah, he’s evil, he just wants something from her.” My brother tends to be cynical of early love interests, but it did make me wonder why I thought the twist was a surprise. The answer: because it wasn’t set up at all so it was a surprise because what? Also, the only thing my brother ended up enjoying about the movie was Olaf, so the sibling thing didn’t work on either of us. Maybe if the movie spent more time exploring Anna’s attachment and belief in her sister after YEARS of being rejected and ignored, it might have hit harder. But the movie taking place in what looks like a day makes the conflict feel rushed and not that serious.

[@jewelvex]

That's... actually some brilliant insight. As someone who both has a sister and loved the movie, i do think i applied my own love for my sister onto Anna and Elsa, instead of really focusing on the story. Because of course i love my sister enough to distance myself for her safety, like Elsa, or to keep trying no matter whag, like Anna. My own background smoothed over some of the plot weaknesses. Sorry fot the rant, but again, kudos to your brilliant insight

[@sakura4331]

I always thought they could've just take out Hans being the villain and take out Kristoff's ice obsession and just merge Hans and Kristoff together. That way Anna would get to know Hans as a person. Like talking to Sven and maybe being an architecture nerd hence Hans being amazed by a castle made out of ice and it's design, true love's kiss won't work as usual, and they just get to know each other more. Also if they wanted the villain, might as well use the Duke since he's already a villain. By doing these slight changes, the story would've been the same.

[@BetterWithBob]

Yep. This ^

[@jamesa.romano8500]

All I remember when I saw this in the theater is that when Hans' heel face turn happened and he dissed Elsa and implied he was planning on making her have an "accident" if he had married Anna I let out this huge belly laugh for the first time in the movie because Elsa had been annoying af up to this point - and getting stared down by the people in my row because everyone else was shocked - shocked I tell ya - at this turn of events

[@provider-of-guardians7964]

I remember being so excited by the trailers for this movie, and even after watching it the first time I was riding the high of what I had preemptively assumed was a good movie. But soon enough I became jaded to it and realized it's really not as great as I was hoping. This was only compounded by the sequel. I have a personal gripe that I don't ever see anyone else espousing - did Elsa ever, _ever,_ say or show her love for Anna? In this movie supposedly about the power of sisterly love, which gives us a definition of what love even is, does Elsa ever display it? In both movies I can't think of a single time she put Anna's needs before her own. (Maybe there's some external media, like a book or something, that shows this. But my point would remain that it's not in the films) Even in regards to mental health awareness, I would say Elsa is a very poor example. She runs away from all her problems and responsibilities and shuts Anna out at every turn, not even coming back to Arandelle of her own accord. Her isolation is displayed as something empowering (Let It Go) when it really shouldn't be. Am I the only one that feels this way?

[@BetterWithBob]

I'd disagree that her isolation is displayed as empowering, since the entire second act is about Anna trying to convince her to return, and when she doesn't return, things get worse for her. Trying to run away continually fucks up her problems And yes Elsa does display that she loves Anna multiple times. Anyone can say "I love you" and not mean it but Elsa does show it: *Warns Anna not to marry Hans, worried about what her sister might be getting into *Tells her that she can leave Arendelle when she says "I can't keep living like this" *Tries to ask Hans to take care of Anna as she runs away, which is motivated entirely by wanting to keep her from getting hurt *Is completely destroyed by Anna's supposed death and overjoyed by her resurrection. *Is visibly trying to make amends to her in the ending And why is Elsa a bad example of mental health? Trying to do everything on her own and shutting others out to avoid hurting or burdening them is a fairly typical behaviour - I'm guilty of it myself. It's extremely accurate. And Anna is the one demonstrating that to make progress, you need to have people who will check you on these unhealthy behaviours and be there for you without enabling. Once the secret is out, it's a good example of how a healthy dynamic should be

[@provider-of-guardians7964]

@@BetterWithBob Fair, I honestly forgot she asked Hans to look after Anna. I wouldn't say that telling Anna to leave Arendelle is exactly a display of love but that may just be a subjective matter of interpretation. I was cooking dinner at the time of writing my original comment so I kinda rushed it, but what I meant to say about the mental health is that yes, Elsa is an accurate representation, but I personally feel that it's not healthy to show her leaving Arendelle and building her ice castle as a good thing, which is what happened during Let It Go. At least, that's how I interpreted it. If Elsa's habit of shutting people out/shutting herself away could've been overridden by a need to protect/help Anna, putting Anna's needs before her own, I feel like that would've made the plot/character development a bit stronger is all. Not to say that all her struggles should be magically done away with by the end of the movie, that would be unrealistic. But still, it was an act of love from Anna that saved herself, not one from Elsa, y'know?

[@whatzittooya1075]

@@provider-of-guardians7964 I mean I think at the end of the day, Let it Go IS supposed to be from Elsa's perspective. I think in the moment, yes, the movie is asking you to sympathize with the girl that spent 15 years repressing herself and is now discovering that perhaps she can make room for those repressed parts of herself. And I don't think that's the wrong direction to make plotwise! Like it gets brought around really quickly when Anna informs her that Arendelle is cut off from the rest of the world because of her magic and we see her lose all confidence and revert back to how she was before she accidentally revealed her powers. I suppose if I had to compare it to any other scene from a Disney movie I'd compare it to Hakuna Matata from The Lion King. It's a fun number but I don't think the movie is actually suggesting to take the song literally and ignore all your problems.

[@provider-of-guardians7964]

@@whatzittooya1075 Very true, very true

[@awesomezilla]

@@BetterWithBob There's also a clear series of smaller details too. In Do You Want To Build A Snowman, when Elsa is finally shown on the other side of the door during the 3rd verse, she's shown sitting there right at the door listening to Anna (demonstrating how she wants desperately to connect with her but feels like she can't). During the coronation she's initially excited by the idea of being with her sister forever before jumping into fear mode and saying it can't be that way. During the Reprise of For The First Time In Forever at the ice castle, during her first verse she's justifying her own position by framing it as to how she's giving Anna the opportunity to have what she's always wanted and to not worry about her (Elsa). This could be willful delusion, and it's clearly shutting down the feelings of her sister, but it also seems said genuinely as though she believes it to be true.

[@henrymockingbird9645]

I hate Olaf to me. He’s worse than Jar Jar Binks

[@Rikrobat]

I liked Olaf in the first movie because a lot of his commentary was naive whimsy. I was so tired of the idiotic sidekick who exists to be an idiot-see the dragons in Quest for Camelot for my most hated example. Olaf being a representation of when things were still good between the sisters was one of the only highlights of the movie for me. Once he became an idiot character, Olaf dropped off hard.

[@acousticmonkey2209]

Had to watch this over a few days, but got there in the end🙂. Thank you for going all out and finally being a voice of reason that Anna is the better character and Kristen Bell was a superb choice. It saddens me that kids gravitate to Elsa purely for the dress. Anna is and always will be my favourite. I first saw Kristen Bell in "Veronica Mars" and had no idea she could sing. It's also worth noting she did audition for "Tangled" but they put her on hold for their next movie, so they knew they wanted her as Anna. And thank you for saying you haven’t seen "Wicked". I haven't either, but in this day and time it's apparently a sacrilege to say it 😂. I do have a few nitpicks on your cons list. I love you, Bob, so this isn't personal. I think your bias is showing when you say you don’t like cgi in a Disney movie, but gush about "Moana". It's fine to say cgi works, but it wasn’t great here. I agree with you. They aren't well done. The only time it really works is in the building of the ice castle with all the reflections, refractions, colours, etc. It's stunning and you can't do that level of visual affect and detail in 2D traditional style and for that, this movie needed cgi. And Disney should stick with 2D to keep it's place in the world. I would still have loved it in traditional drawing. I will always defend "Enchanted." But mostly because Susan Sarandon makes the best evil queen. Her and Regina from "Once Upon A Time" (hint hint *cough cough* I will keep asking for a Regina video *cough cough*)😂

[@jaimeerindy4573]

I feel like I have a weird attachment to Frozen because I went to take my little cousins to see it on the day it came out, Thanksgiving Day, when absolutely no one knew what it was. Ana & Elsa weren't even featured in the marketing campaign for it, so this was the truest instance of me going completely blind. The movie was most certainly not perfect, it had some glaring flaws for me, but I will NEVER forget how it felt to experience Let It Go before the entire world. To be the one to hear it and see it before it blew up truly changed my media consuming experience. And to this day, I still think Let It Go is one of the most beautiful sequences put to film and I absolutely went home and listened to it on repeat. I do have big issues with some of the plot elements of Frozen, but it gave us some seriously amazing moments and I thank it for that.

[@LaBellesGrace]

“Snow Queen 2002” getting a mention just made my day. I’ve been on a current peak with that movie due to the holiday season and hardly anyone talks about it aha.

[@BetterWithBob]

Haha if you liked that song "The Two of Us Will Always Be One", the guy that wrote it finally uploaded it to his channel last year

[@LaBellesGrace]

@ ooh I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve *already* listened to both the original and the extended version!🤣😅 such a nostalgic and beautiful song.

[@sagev.5818]

I honestly would love to see you review Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) to see how well it has held up after all this time (if you haven’t done do already)!

[@BetterWithBob]

I did do a video on the princesses where I talk about Snow White but that is a short section, so maybe :)

[@sagev.5818]

@ oh yes, I remember that one!! omg yaaaaays!!!

[@Showman_87]

Awesome video, I fully agree with many of your thoughts. I remember seeing Frozen on its opening weekend and walking out of the theater feeling like something was off. I felt a disconnect that I couldn't quite explain but I remember thinking the story felt weak compared to past Disney movies because it didn't have the same impact for me. Especially when it came to how glossed over Elsa's life in isolation was and I really didn't like Hans being the twist villain. It bothered me for a while that Hans and Anna weren't the couple of the movie because they were great together and she had better chemistry with him than with Kristoff who I was never a fan of either. I still don't find him that interesting or likeable, his talking on behalf of Sven was very cringe, and his relationship with Anna felt massively forced. I also agree about the problem with art style, personally I never loved the look of Disney's 3D animated movies as much as their classic hand drawn ones. It's true sometimes it works well like with Moana and I would say Wreck it Ralph also, but more often than not it just doesn't compare to how beautiful, vibrant, more expressive 2D has been throughout the years. One of my biggest issues with it is Disney used to capture realistic human movement more accurately when they were hand drawn. I notice Disney tends to make their 3D characters move around too much or too fast and they don't have the same sense of gravity and timing that would make them move more naturally like older characters. I don't see this issue as much in other 3D animation companies like Pixar and Dreamworks so I think it's true what you say that the traditional animation look is best suited for Disney. And it's interesting to look back on a time where Disney made the effort to appeal to more demographics than just young girls and even altered the names of the movies due to this. More recently it seems the opposite, I've become more disappointed that the majority of new Disney Animation Studios movies focus heavily on female protagonists and we haven't seen an adult hero character like Aladdin, Hercules, Tarzan, or Flynn Rider in over a decade. I'm glad you pointed out that Hans and Kristoff weren't well developed characters, that signaled a trend Disney would only further lean into. I always thought it was a shame that they couldn't complete Gigantic, I see a lot of potential in that one and had it been released around the same time as Tangled and Wreck it Ralph I think it could've had the legacy of a beloved Disney movie with a great hero protagonist. Clearly though the mid to late 2010s wasn't the right time to develop that story given the path they were currently on so it's probably a good thing it wasn't, but I do hope the idea is revisited in the future. In the years following Frozen's release I kept feeling disconnects with pretty much every animated movie Disney created. Partly due to me generally not being as much a fan of Disney animation when it's done in 3D but also because I felt hints of a passive aggressive attitude that would once in a while resurface in most of them. This weird sense of cynicism and resentment that seemed directed at fans of classic Disney, the annoying Chief Bogo line from Zootopia is a perfect example. Looking back on it I see that a lot of problems Disney animation is currently facing are the results of seeds planted by Frozen and because it was so massively popular they continued doubling down on them. Disney had previously dabbled in addressing feminist criticisms of classic Disney Princesses in the 2000s (like with Enchanted which also always put me off because although the intention was to be a light hearted self critique I felt in the process they portrayed the classic princesses as dumb and more one note than they were), but Frozen was definitely the start of Disney no longer just simply poking fun at itself but being more active in aggressively deconstructing classic Disney tropes and talking down to audiences who always loved them. This has been especially disappointing for me because due to this approach Disney has now created many stories out of rebellion against what made many of their older ones timeless which often leaves the newer ones with more contrivances and less . These flaws weren't that noticeable at first but the closer we look the more ill thought out they appear. Of course Frozen has some positive qualities which is why it resonated with so many fans, the ones you brought up are great especially Kristen Bell's performance as Anna who is the only character I like and can truly appreciate. But as of now I can't help but look at this movie as an overall disappointment because in hindsight it did play a large role in Disney taking a bad turn with their approach to storytelling which led to the quality of their filmmaking taking a few nose dives in the years that followed which we are unfortunately still seeing today in animation and live action. As a 90s kid I had a great time seeing all of the Renaissance movies in theaters, but in recent years I've become so disinterested that I haven't bothered with some of them because the magic I've come to expect just hasn't been there which is very disheartening. I'm also of the opinion that for the most part 2010s Disney is already aging poorly, I have a feeling this era won't hold up over time as the Renaissance era has, and this will likely be seen as another one of those awkward phases that eventually leads to a return to form but only time will tell on if that will happen this time. I'm so glad you made this video and that I could share my thoughts on it as well, thanks a lot for everything you discussed.

[@BetterWithBob]

I think Disney buying Marvel and Star Wars also meant that they originally focused on just pushing that stuff to boys, which is why they discontinued the Disney Heroes/Adventurers franchise, so there was less motivation to push a fairy tale or animated film to boys, even though there are plenty of boys who enjoy the fairy tale films. And now they're building up the marketing to girls in Star Wars and Marvel, but they haven't done the reverse and included boys in the animated films. I suppose we could argue that the problem started after the Disney Princess franchise was established, because now each film is created to be part of a franchise rather than stand on its own - every princess before Tiana had her movie already out and established when they made the franchise, so every princess created after has to be a collection of traits that will hit X demographic

[@sorcerersapprentice]

The funny thing is that I'm also a part of the Twisted Wonderland fandom. For those of you who don't know, it's an official Disney mobile game created by the author of Black Butler. The story is about the self insert player character being isekaied to another magical world, being forced to attend an all boys magic school filled with original characters inspired by Disney villains. Think Harry Potter meets Once Upon a Time, if it was a boarding school au. Something that's popular at least in the western fandom is creating OCs inspired by other Disney characters not used in the game. People can get pretty creative with these, basing their OCs on obscure Disney characters like Mozenrath. One of the more popular options people pick is Hans. I've read plenty of fanfics for that fandom. Honestly, these Hans OCs are fairly well constructed characters. For one, they often forgo the stupid plot twist and set him up as an antagonist from the start, which makes them better constructed as characters. This also gives them a consistent dynamic with the hero or heroine. These characters are always nice to the public, but are self pricks that use others for their own game. If there's a romantic element involved, they are always the negative end of a love triangle from the get go like Frollo or Cal from Titanic. Granted, they aren't perfect. Some of these stories have logical inconsistencies like why the fuck would Vil, one of the prefects, allow someone like that to get away with everything for so long? He seems like the type of guy who would step in if he caught onto that. But, at least they are better written than Hans in this movie. That's really sad.

[@Rikrobat]

It will be interesting to see if Hans is ever implemented into Twisted Wonderland. Though, considering the train wreck that was the Frozen world in Kingdom Hearts 3, I have to wonder if TWST will just avoid the Frozen stuff altogether. Wooooo, Mozenwrath mention! ❤

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

Lilo & Stitch is Disney’s best example of sisterly love. Argue with the wall.

[@BetterWithBob]

Gonna be borrowing that sentence

[@darbs2112]

YES. 👏

[@goddessofanguish]

I also love the Hallmark Snow Queen mini series, I remember attempting to record it into dvd way back when. Annoyingly half of it is behind a paywall on Amazon, would love to rewatch it at some point. Also I’m glad to find someone else who liked S4 of Once Upon a Time. I really liked how they made the Snow Queen a separate character and tied Elsa’s past struggles with Emma’s current struggle to control her powers, and them bonding over it. It was a fun season, even though Frozen was obviously added due to Disney mandates but the showrunners did well I think!

[@BetterWithBob]

The full miniseries is on here by the looks of it

[@beltingtokra]

Frozen is perfect imo. Anna is so underrated, as she says in frozen 2 she literally went through everything without powers. She is so brave and i feel is the true hero of both stories. The Next Right Thing is also a beautiful song, goes so far i didnt expect Disney to do. I could watch these movies all day ❄

[@BetterWithBob]

Agreed on The Next Right Thing being beautiful XD

[@inlocoparentis]

I haven't seen Frozen, so I can't really comment on the critiques you leveled. I can still give you mad props for the level of detail and analysis you brought to the table. Bravo Zulu!

[@thejester2751]

Personally Hans taking Kristof's role and going out for Anna to help her after she leaves for Elsa and then joining in with his horse taking the Reindeer's spot would've actually been cute. I never really cared much for Kristof and Anna I thought Hans n Anna was a better ship. Very good video btw! I unironically watched Gravity because of the passing comment in the start lol, it was great.

[@BetterWithBob]

It's been years since I saw it but I remember finding it visually stunning :D

[@alexp.d3689]

My problem with Elsa is that she has an underdeveloped arc, she's clearly suffering from depression and Let It Go is the moment when the person removes themselves from rest of the world as to ( in their mind ) not burden their loved one's with their problems but she doesn't have a wake up call. Everything went well until after For the First Time in Forever Reprice, It would've been so much better If instead of her being forcefully brought back to Arendele and run away the first chance she gets not even trying to undo her unintentional mistake ( which further highlight's her lack of grown ) ,she has a solo musical number ( called : I'm happy, a rough suggestion for the title ) where at first she tries to gaslight the audience and herself into believing Anna was wrong and that she's happy being alone with the lyrics and the visuals contradicting eachother ( say's she's happy, but her face say's otherwise, musically start in a similar manner of Do you want to build a Snowman,then develops into For the first time in Forever and end like Let it go . ) , ending with her leaning against the window frame looking yearningly into the sunset . After Anna gets left by Hans to die we cut to Elsa who sees the storm in Arendele getting worse and after some contemplation she looks at the camera with a self-assured look as strings play an fast upwards run and a small reprice of "I'm happy" plays where she decides to take action, attempt to fix things regardless of cost ( they tried something similar in the stage version with "Monster" ,but she's still not as active as they could/should've made her ) and mend her bond with Anna ( making it even more gut wrenching when she's informed of her death , meaning she'll never have the chance to reconcile and say "I'm sorry" ). And the last alteration,after Anna comes back to life the mood switches to suspense because Elsa has to fix things and she's still scared but Anna gives her a look of reassurance holding her hand and Elsa kneels and touches the snow then cutting to a closeup of her face being incredibly tense , we look at her hand in the snow from above ,silense , nothing happens ... We cut to Anna's grip becoming even tighter ( as If to say ,you can do it ,I believe in you ) with Elsa's tense face getting relaxed and we see the snow starting to melt and the grass to appear underneath her hand ,the spell gets undone ,the sisters have a last duet with Anna's Melodic Part in For The First Time In Forever going to Elsa and Elsa's part to Anna with different lyrics of course 😅😂 ... The rest ends as it does in the actual movie

[@nicholasneal8057]

Please, please, do more Charmed episode reviews! I'd watch a review for every single episode!!!

[@BetterWithBob]

One day you never know

[@nicholasneal8057]

@BetterWithBob A real Charmed fan, with a history of reviewing Charmed in such a perfect way, would certainly do it! ;D

[@sebastianshook6771]

Some Actual Thoughts On The Video: Appreciate The MLP Movie Shoutout. "Open Up Your Eyes" Is The Best Song In The Movie, No Contest.

[@EuroMIX2]

Maybe this is sad but it's the only song from the movie I find myself listening to. It really stuck with me.

[@sebastianshook6771]

@@EuroMIX2 It's Not Sad At All. I Enjoyed All The Other Songs, But "Open Up Your Eyes" Really Sticks Out To Me, Especially When You're In The Front Row Because Your Dad Had No Idea You Could Reserve Seats In A Theater. Tempest Shadow Still Stands As One Of My Favorite MLP Characters Of All Time To This Day.

[@gabx0725]

Yep, wayyyy more chemistry between Anna and You-Know-Who than Kristoff tbh 😬 He should have stayed as a best friend/comedy /side character at best. It feels they sacrifice poor Anna with the same lame "princess trope" =get married etc but oh well, the studio will always try to appeal to the super extra conservative parents buying $$ all the merch so we have to put up with this "romance"( A+ K )that has no chemistry

[@whatzittooya1075]

I do agree with you that a lot of the self-flagellating the movie does is annoying, but for me personally I do think the good parts outweigh the bad by a lot when it comes to Frozen. Animation wise, I don't mind that it's CGI but I do hate that it popularized every single Disney movie from now on relying on the Tangled blueprint for their character design lol.

[@christiancardenas2975]

It never did. It’s so aware of itself, that it doesn’t leave much room for sincere magic and emotion. The random secret villain also ruins the morals of the story.

[@BetterWithBob]

The second one is what the first should have been

[@vincenthoule5643]

Frozen should've been 2d animated with the original concept. If frozen was release in the 2020s, it would flop like wish.

[@BetterWithBob]

Hmm possibly. It hit off something very specific to the early 2010s

[@abiwonkenabi7027]

I think Fixer Upper is essential because its ultimately the thematic turning point for Anna and ELSA's relationship. All the advice and such the trolls say in the song can be applied to Elsa equally, if not BETTER than Kristoff (other than like the smelly, 'thing with the reindeer' of course lol). Also without it, there's literally no songs in the 3rd act, which is a common problem in most Disney musicals if we're being honest.

[@BetterWithBob]

Oh it's plot relevant for sure. I still hate it out of pettiness though lol

[@nicklundy9965]

If anything, OUAT was my favorite iteration of these characters because of Ingrid. (Plus no Olaf)

[@scarlett5247]

Tbh, OUAT is the only thing I like about Frozen. I've only watched Frozen once and a couple of times after that to make sure I don't like it. And I was so over the Let It Go song by the time the Demi Lovato cover came out.

[@BetterWithBob]

Elizabeth Lail understood Anna so perfectly you'd think she was lifted out of the film. I also quite liked Georgina Haig as Elsa, and her being the one to help Emma come to terms with her powers felt so organic I'd all but take it as canon And Ingrid...my god I love that character. Elizabeth Mitchell was magnificent

[@cerisejaxel9636]

I remember being really excited for Frozen with other Disney fans online before it came out, stuck between wanting to know everything and wanting to go in knowing nothing! I ended up learning too much, (heard some of the soundtrack, got the Hans plot twist spoiled from a kid’s book, and saw the clip of Elsa first revealing her powers after arguing with Anna) and I think that made the first experience of watching the movie less enjoyable because I knew so much already. That said, after rewatching it, I came around to liking it a lot, despite the feeling that it could’ve been thought out a bit more. I agree with a lot here! I don’t think this movie would be in my top 10, but it’s a good time every once in a while Side note, I think a lot of people forget that Anna is the main character in the first one. She gets by far the most screen time, she’s the one who we follow 90% of the time, the one who we see having to learn a hard lesson and the one who ultimately saves the day :D

[@BetterWithBob]

Yep, and the original title was Anna and the Snow Queen, so she is to be considered the main character

[@kerrough]

I liked Frozen 2 more than the first movie, but neither have ever been on my favorites list. But "The Next Right Thing" from the 2nd movie IS one of my favorite Disney songs. It moved to actual tears when watching in theaters.

[@BetterWithBob]

Yes! Kristen Bell does so good with that song

[@everettparker1313]

This Incredible Masterpiece for Frozen. I can definitely agree that Frozen Absolutely Amazing but it’s has a lot of Flaws.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

When I saw it, it was my favorite Disney film ever. Now, I don't really do rankings, but it's still amazing. Of course, one does wish they used the mirror from the fairy tale so we could have good Elsa and evil Elsa without the nedd for Hans to become a villain. I also wish Disney used the Anderson-Lopez team for more musicals in addition to the franchise (a moment of silence for "Gigantic").

[@BetterWithBob]

@@OpticalSorcerer ah Gigantic, so much potential

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@BetterWithBob The fact that Disney was planning a fairy tale musical set in Spain and they didn't bring the team over to do "Wish" feels like a missed opportunity (but then again, exec interference could've ruined that, too).

[@orangeslash1667]

@@OpticalSorcerer I think it might have easier to translate the SnowQueen into a mini series rather than a movie, since it's about Gerda going on a journey trying to save Kai??? Disney doesn't know how to develop the SnowQueen, because she's barely in it.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

@@orangeslash1667 I'd LOVE if in the future, Disney makes miniseries out of films that's stories were too long to condense. As someone who doesn't remember the tale that much, Gerda, TSQ, and Kai are the only ones I can really remember. And IDK what you mean about The Snow Queen barely being in Disney's film, since Elsa is kind of a central part of the plot.

[@orangeslash1667]

@@OpticalSorcerer I was talking about the Fairy tale it's based on, the Snowqueen. Not Elsa.

[@jaduspeaks4754]

I think you and I were in a similar boat, Bob, in terms of reactions to Frozen. When I first saw it in 2013, I was swooning over it. Thought it was one of the best animated films Disney had ever made. As someone who'd suffered from mental health issues, I found Elsa quite relatable. Looking back, though, I see the cracks. It's odd that Disney came off of releasing Tangled, which is unabashedly a princess movie that throws back to and celebrates the classic princess movies, and then just three years later released a movie whose writing takes such a defensive stance against bad-faith criticism leveled against those classics. A bigger heel turn than Hans made in this movie, ho ho. Thank you for reminding me that Elsa was intended to be the villain in earlier drafts instead of Hans. The thought of what could have been with Elsa as the antagonist (different from a villain! it must be said!) will now bounce around in my imagination for the rest of the day. Overall, another great video from you!

[@BetterWithBob]

Thanks for watching! Hope you're doing better these days

[@skylerturner9339]

Without seeing the video yet, yes, Frozen holds up. It's not even been that long since its release. I still see Frozen themed stuff at the store, it's still a constantly rewatched film among kids.

[@LyricalLinder]

My family also watches The Snow Queen around the holidays!

[@BetterWithBob]

I may start redoing that lol

[@ReviewsWithAL_]

Gotta say I didn’t expect this 😂 DO YOU WANNA BUILD A SNOWMAN

[@BetterWithBob]

@@ReviewsWithAL_ didn't expect what?

[@ReviewsWithAL_]

@ A Frozen video aha

[@BetterWithBob]

@@ReviewsWithAL_ Oh I considered doing one last year for the 10th anniversary

[@dokiepkosa]

I worked at a Girl Scout camp in the summer of 2014 and I swore Frozen off after that experience. I think I’ve only watched the making of documentary with my bestie since then, but I still got my fill plenty.

[@gemstonejasper17]

Here is an alternate ending I think would be much better: Frozen would have been better without the twist villain. It probably would have been better without a villain at all. It would have been so much better if Hanz did kiss Anna to try and save her, but it didn't work because they weren't truly in love. Then they both have to accept that she is going to die. They quickly do actually say their wedding vows so that Hanz becomes the next in line so that the kingdom doesn't have to deal with both a tragedy and having no leader. Hanz tries his best to both comfort Anna in her last moments as well as start taking over to care of the people. He still sends his people to hunt down Elsa, believing that she's the true villain. He imprisons her but she gets out. Elsa tries so hard to find Anna. She doesn't know how to save her, but she knows she needs to. Hanz, confused and believing that Elsa is trying to hurt Anna further, hunts her down and is about to kill her. But Anna steps in front of the sword to save her just as her heart fully freezes. Elsa is sad and cries. Hanz rethinks how he views Elsa. Anna saved her, so maybe she deserves a chance. Happy ending. Hanz and Anna both accept that they aren't truly in love and were both just desperate for connection due to their respective traumas. So they officially renounce their marriage vows, as they were technically given under duress. But they remain close friends because they do have chemistry, just in a friendship way. (If we absolutely have to have a romance instead of just male friends): Christof, having realized that he loves Anna, decides to come back to be with her. When she's healthy again, he decides to hang around and they continue getting to know each other. Elsa is the queen. She is now able to use her powers for the good of her kingdom, though is still trying to learn not to fear them (because trauma is trauma). She isnt immediately accepted, but has to work to gain the people's trust. But with Anna on her side, she is able to overcome this. Anna and Elsa are able to form the sister bond both of them have always wanted. The End

[@ginster458]

I feel like Frozen was a cut in how Disney stories are communicated. Tangled was cgi but played out like a straight story that has no integrated audience witnessing it. Frozen feels like a stage musical and I do not disappear, I am an active participant and part of the story. Anna‘s jumps in front of the paintings only work with an audience, even her song feels like it is sung TO us and not her working through her feelings. All scenes in Love Is An Open Door feel fake and lile setpieces because they are supposed to look unreal as commentary- they aren’t just there because the story takes place there. They feel calculated and unnatural. In the second movie, Olaf even directly breaks the fourth wall and addresses the audience. This is not an epic story or timeless fairytale, it’s quirky musical theater. Which is unfortunate because Elsas story and the visuals would make for an amazing Disney Renaissance movie. The quirky humor works for me in Moana, because it is dialed back in the epic moments, Frozen has too many characters with Anna, Kristoff, Olaf and Sven all being quirky all the time. And we can see all of that replicated 1000 worse in Wish.

[@BetterWithBob]

Hmm that's an interesting point. Kristoff and Sven are definitely superfluous, or at least needed to be heavily rewritten

[@Capydapy]

Frozen feels like the "Not Like Other Girls!" Of the Disney canon. If you get what I mean.

[@BetterWithBob]

Oh lord that made me laugh too much ha

[@IceFireofVoid]

Wait you're so right. It's even got the part where actually, she was like the other girls. "You can't marry a man you just met!" Sure but if you wait a couple days then it's all good!

[@BioLivbanon]

@@Capydapy That is exactly what it is! Hence why I really dislike Elsa. She does nothing through the entire movie. So many problems with the movie.

[@loka-chan6695]

When I watch it I only watch my fav parts. Mostly Elsa’s struggle. I love the emotions drawn into her body language

[@BetterWithBob]

Very fair XD

[@gabx0725]

Please do another video but including the Broadway musical songs** because it does bring the movie to a different level. The songs "a little bit of me ans you" "Dangerous to dream" "Monster" bring so much to the story and yes, there is also a CLOSING* song of "let it go" sang by both* girls that makes the ending amazing.

[@DrWhack]

Hahaha wasn’t expecting the side shoutout to the more popular un-canon pairing 😅

[@BetterWithBob]

Anna/Olaf right?

[@DrWhack]

@@BetterWithBob Of course of course 😄 The tried and true ship of the ages 😇

[@cierudaeru]

The worst part about Frozen to me wasn’t the movie itself but that terrible trend of the mid 2010s of constantly comparing the princesses against one another and people bullying you if you said you liked older princesses like the classic princesses or Ariel. Or that TERRIBLE Elsa vs Snow White rap battle where they turned Snow White (the most innocent and youngest Disney princess) into a self-absorbed 24 year old woman to make Elsa look better. Literally the Frozen fandom was awful specially Elsa fans and I’m so glad that era ended because they literally seemed like a cult. Besides people love to say that Elsa and Anna are the first and best sisterly love example in a Disney movie but Lilo and Stich came out more than a decade before and Lilo and Nani actually felt like sisters, Elsa and Anna didn’t have as much scenes together. In the end I just think it did well besides of the music, because it it the first Disney movie with 2 "princesses’ (yes I know Elsa is a queen but the overall concept still is a Disney princess). Tangled to me has much more of a soul than frozen, the song transitions feel more organic to me, Let it go literally feels like a videoclip the way it starts and ends. The original frozen concept arts were a much more interesting idea where Elsa was the villain and was initially going to be a mix of cruella and Yzma but with ice powers but they had to go with a more commercial design to sell dolls… I just think frozen did good because it came out at the right time and that’s about it, but most of the modern Disney we have nowadays started with Frozen and it just isn’t the same to me anymore

[@awhimsyreader9015]

even when I when I was a kid obssesed with Frozen it pissed me of how people attacked the older disney princesses, like I didn't get how they were "sexist" or "weak" and ironically all of arguments the self-proclaimed feminists who were criticiszing the older princesses ended up circling back to being misogyny but also I think the mid 2010's was also just a terrible time to be a person with feminine interests/mannerisms because all the people who would attack older princesses were the exact same people who were accusing Barbie of being a "bad role model" even though Barbie has litereally held every job on the planet and her motto was always "You Can Be Anything" all because she was conventionally good looking and had feminine interests? honestly i'm so glad nowadays people realized that the criticism towards these charcters were in such bad faith and wrong

[@cierudaeru]

@ literally…..the people that criticized the older princesses for being "antifeministic’ where actually the ones who were misogynistic themselves. Each Disney Princess was ahead of their own time when their own movies premiered

[@jarehelt]

Ill take any Disney Renaissance film any day.

[@BetterWithBob]

They were made better back then anyway

[@IceFireofVoid]

I saw this movie on the day it hit theaters, with my two younger sisters who were below the age of 10. It's the first time I saw a movie in cinema where I would periodically look at my phone to see if it would be over soon. When it was done, both my sisters, the target demographic of the movie, said it was bad. I thought it was awful. The characters were annoying. The twist was both incredibly obvious but made no sense. I fully expected this movie to fade into obscurity. It blew my mind when it got so popular. I still remember my youngest sister would come home from daycare crying sometimes because she was annoyed that they kept making the kids watch Frozen. I, to this day, do not understand at all what people saw in this movie.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@IceFireofVoid wow lol

[@IceFireofVoid]

@@BetterWithBob Sometimes it feels like we fell in a parallel universe and saw a completely different movie than everyone else did.

[@BioLivbanon]

@@IceFireofVoid Where have you been all these years?! You also hated it? Will you be my friend? 😭😂 I am so happy to find and hear more from everybody who also didn't like the movie.

[@IceFireofVoid]

@BioLivbanon a lot of people disliked it. It's a really divisive film. The problem is that a lot of people didn't bother to see it and just decided to hate on it because it's popular, and that's kinda goofy. It's not too hard to sift through and find legit critics though.

[@sebastianshook6771]

Because Its 15th Anniversary Is Next Year, I'd Like To See You Take On The First Kick-Ass.

[@BetterWithBob]

I never really watched it when it came out so we shall see lol

[@MrHenrytheoctopus]

@@BetterWithBobdon’t forget you only have 20 years left to do your 55,85,15,45 Back to the Future special. Where you talk about how time has been in the past 30 years since the 2015 they predicted. Perhaps by then we *will* have holographic billboards that try to eat us, or maybe mankind will still have failed to produce one. Upsetting we still haven’t, where did we go wrong?

[@katemaloney4296]

I was working 70 hour weeks, so I was one of the lucky ones who missed the whole FROZEN thing. Never watched the movie. Never heard 'Let It Go'. I don't think I'm any better or worse off, but that's okay. My favourite movies will always be 'The Sleeping Beauty', 'Beauty & The Beast', 'Shrek', and 'Cinderella' (1950).

[@BetterWithBob]

Sleeping Beauty is my number one!

[@Gotohell576]

I remember enjoying the SyFy mini series, a video about Tin Man or Alice would be really interesting to see. This was another great retrospective, thanks 😁

[@BetterWithBob]

Is that Hallmark's Alice you mean? Or Disney's? Haven't seen the former but do love the latter

[@omarmohyuddin5672]

I loved Frozen so much when I first saw it in 2013. Everyone praised the film like it was the best thing ever around 2014. But as time passed, people have started to hate this film more and more. I honestly find it it really sad. I personally think Frozen 1 still holds up well. The film definitely has some flaws and there are certainly other Disney films that are better than it, particularly from the Renaissance, but I still think Frozen is one of the better Disney films of all time. The animation is gorgeous. The soundtrack is phenomenal. Anna and Elsa are some of the best Disney princesses. I loved the film’s focus on sisterhood and togetherness. I absolutely loved Elsa’s arc of overcoming fear and self-acceptance. She’s one of the most complex Disney princesses and there’s a reason she became so popular. I feel like this film gets way too much hate nowadays. The film has flaws, but I feel like most of the criticism towards the film are just huge nitpicks. Like I get that Elsa learned to control her powers very abruptly and the parents made poor decisions and Hans may have seemed like a rushed villain, but it doesn’t really take away from all the highlights of the film. That’s like criticizing Beauty and the Beast for the Beast coming back to life as a human at the end, same with Flynn Rider in Tangled. I’ve watched lots of Disney movies recently, and I enjoy most of them despite some apparent flaws. But I don’t see anyone bring up issues with those films. I don’t see any other Disney movie get criticized or nitpicked for every little choice or scene more than Frozen does. I think it honestly has to do with the film’s popularity. It made the film a target. I still see people say Tangled or so and so Disney movie is better than Frozen even when Frozen isn’t mentioned anywhere. I feel like Frozen went from an objectively overrated movie to an extremely overhated movie. I never see anyone say it’s one of the best Disney movies anymore, and it’s also super rare to see anyone say that it’s even a good film. This movie will always be S tier for me, even though there are other Disney films that are objectively better. I still think it’s better than a lot of other Disney and animated movies. Also, I think Frozen 1 is way better than its sequel. I honestly hated the sequel

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

With Frozen I think the CG animation really shines with the ice, and there is a lot of it. Does it hold up against older 2D Disney movies? No. Although IMO it does look better than Snow White because that movie’s art hasn’t aged that well anyway, but it was his first full length feature film. As others have said the decision to make Hans a villain and Elsa not was very last minute, they were recording “Let it Go” as Elsa’s villain song and when they were listening to the recording they thought it sounded better as a self-actualization song. Hans becoming a villain though honestly reminds me of bad shipping fanfiction, the type where one or both of the characters being shipped actually have a canon love interest and the writer has to come up with a reason why the canon relationship breaks up and one of the things bad writers do is just make the love interest evil. “Fixer Upper” feels like the other half of that where the writer more or less declares “and now these two love each other”. So I think there what happened is someone on staff decided they liked Kristoff as a love interest and decided to break things off with Hans but this happened late enough in the development process that they already had a lot of finished scenes of Hans being a decent guy that they didn’t want to get rid of for budget reasons. IMO Kristoff would make more sense as a villain with him deciding to help Anna just as a way to get close to Elsa so he can steal her powers or kill her, and Elsa accidentally freezing Anna while trying to defend herself from Kristoff. The opening song, Frozen Heart, even hints at a reason for this if he were raised in a culture that routinely kills people with Elsa’s powers because it perceives them as dangerous, and it would make way more sense if that was supposed to set up and reinforce the idea the trolls put forth that if Elsa’s powers were discovered people would try to kill her. In the finished movie Elsa’s powers have little to do with the danger she ends up in, yes people are scared but ultimately it’s greed that motivates Hans instead of fear. It would be like if in Sleeping Beauty the start of the movie establishes Malificent’s intention to curse Aurora to death and then in the second half we find out she’s forgotten all about it and gone off to Bermuda to hang out with Merlin while the main conflict is Aurora having to adjust to being a crown princess and then having an awkward romantic comedy skit with Prince Phillip.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@cathygrandstaff1957 Kristof being a villain is an intriguing idea 🤔

[@rinitaislam3927]

10 years, 20 years or 30 .. I still stand by what I said. This film was such a giant disappointment. Must admit though that the reviewers had set such high standards for it that it was fated to fail. I won’t say it was one of the worst, but one a very good one either. The story can be summed up with one line from the film,”you can not marry someone you just met for one day.” The entire story was like that. No build up, no nothing. When a ice snow man has more emotional depth than the sister pair or the main love interest, it is not a very well written story. They gave us one glimpse of a relationship between the sis where they loved for like 30 sec followed by a story which does not explain give any context for building a relationship between the sisters. believe it or not, relationship can not be built without communication and there was absolutely zero investment on this. and please don’t come with the kid film argument. Big hero 6, Moana, Tangled all have better emotional development than this one. When hiro lost tadasi, you feel it. when Moana lost grandma, even Maoi, you feel it. You can feel the betrayal Rupangel felt by mother gothel. but here, everything is like for the sake of it. they literally give us nothing to feel there was any relationship between the sisters. Elsas’s response was understandable. She wanted to leave, wanted to be free from judgement.So no issue there. But why did Anna went after her. And why at end, it was Elsa’s love that saved her. Because they shared one scene of playing ice skating together in childhood. 😂😂😂

[@ckm5702]

In regards to disney and 3d i mostly agree that pixar and dreamworks feel much more at home in 3d to the point it feels weird acknowledging dreamworks has 2d films even though prince of Egypt slaps I really feel we'd still be getting 2d animated films from them if it werent for the fact pixar absolutely carried the disney brand throughout the 2000s because the main studio was going through its weird mostly failed experiment era I think the only walt disney animated film that really needed to be 3d was wreck it ralph (there is no sequal idk what you're talking about) cuz i just really cant picture those characters or that world in 2d, but i could se ebrave as 2d. 2012 really had disney make a pixar novie and pixar make a disney movie didnt it?

[@BetterWithBob]

Yeah with it being based around video games, Wreck It Ralph suits being 3D. I suppose Zootopia as well

[@loka-chan6695]

Frozen heart is my favorit song up with let it go. The Joik is also so good

[@BetterWithBob]

It is!

[@darkjaguar789]

In my opinion, the main problem with Frozen is that it is a trial run: it tries to balance between a fairy tale and its deconstruction, which works, but not at all moments. But despite this, it is still a great story.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@darkjaguar789 accurate

[@bunsmasterbunny]

Yes it absolutely does.

[@paulsparkes7404]

A really enjoyable watch 👏☺️

[@BetterWithBob]

Thank you my guy!

[@TheRealValGalstyan]

Also Rapunzel appears in this movie too.

[@BetterWithBob]

Yep with the short brown hair during For the First Time in Forever

[@twiggyjali]

hans would never be king, anywhere, like, ever. the best he can hope for is prince-consort.

[@raptorboythebest3375]

Great video. I began relistening to its soundtrack and besides fixer upper I really like its soundtrack including let it go. Also can you make a video similar to this but about tangled. It’s one of my favorite films and I would like your opinion on it. ( but if you don’t. Want to thats 100% fine since your probably busy)

[@BetterWithBob]

I'm tempted to actually, especially since they've now announced a live action remake of even that XD

[@raptorboythebest3375]

rest in peace another great film that was apart of my childhood again 😭

[@bridgettelair370]

I’ll be honest I always liked Tangled more because I just found Anna very annoying and didn’t quite like her relationship with Kristoph either, Rapunzel and Eugene were so fleshed out and adorable so seeing the romance in Frozen flop was kind of disappointing. Frozen is a cute movie but the hype never made sense to me personally.

[@BetterWithBob]

Fair point

[@slayerangel6597]

Hot take, pun intended: Frozen does hold up, in my humble opinion. I will always say that Tangled is better overall, but I still believe that Frozen is a good movie, even all these years later. The songs, while overexposed in 2013, are still great even now. Let it Go is a great song, and For The First Time in Forever is still one of my favorite songs, period. It laid the foundation for Frozen 2, which in my opinion the better movie and an amazing sequel, and it introduced concepts like true love being between family and independence as true strength that were still relatively new at the time. Anna and Kristoff's relationship still holds up as one of the best romances in Disney, which is saying a lot where Rapunzel and Eugene exist. The animation is great, voice acting is awesome, and the movie is visually, still good. However, I can absolutely see where criticisms arise. Hans is not the best villain by a long shot, I will always say that, but I actually like the fact that Frozen is a loose adaptation of The Snow Queen. It's not like The Snow Queen also didn't have a message about how friendship and positivity are the way out of cynicism and fear, Frozen just made it about family love rather than friendship. The themes of The Snow Queen are still expressed, just in a different way, which is what we all want from an adaptation. See also, the live action remakes that are almost shot for shot like the originals and are weaker because they don't do the same exact thing that Frozen and Tangled did. Also, on a personal level, Frozen helped me understand my relationship with my younger brother, as, when I was Elsa's age around when this movie came out, I really related to her, as a natural introvert that preferred to be alone. My brother was more outgoing like Anna, so watching the movie together really helped me understand a good relationship between my brother and me. It really helped me understand the consequences of isolation, both personally and professionally. Also, as a psychologist, I cannot emphasize enough the mental health growth of both Anna and Elsa. The channel Cinema Therapy has a fantastic miniseries breaking down Elsa and Anna's growth, attachment styles, and overall psychological development through Frozen and Frozen 2. Go check it out if you're interested.

[@williamhanekom9882]

Hear me out. But I think Hans as an antagonist could have worked better if his feelings towards Anna were genuine. No hidden agenda or manipulation, just a guy who thought he was doing the right thing but got corrupted by fear and desperation. He see's firsthand how Elsa's magic is slowly destroying Anna and the kingdom. So when the true love's kiss doesn't work...he's convinced that killing Elsa is the last viable option. That would not only deconstruct the notion of true love better than the movie , but show how even well meaning people can take a dark path. Elsa's fear isolates her from everyone, whilst Hans's fear turns him into a monster.

[@BetterWithBob]

Yes, that would be a much better story!

[@xarenanotmyrealname4134]

Yeah I never liked Frozen and I know it probably sounds like I'm jumping on the hating popular things just because they were popular ship if you think that about me I can't blame particularly because as a teenager I did go through that phase😅 I'll also say Frozen had one thing I was probably never going to like or it was going to make it really hard to like I don't as a general rule like musicals I also wasn't able to watch the movie right away because I was homeless and my time and money was going to more important things hell it I think two years? Before I was able to watch it so I was hit with Frozen mania without being able to watch the movie I even remember telling myself when I was finally able to watch it 'don't let the hype kill it.' Maybe it did I can own up that, that might have happened but I just wasn't impressed with anything about it the music is obviously good but it didn't blow me away I'm also 100 hundred percent one of those people who thinks Let it go is just a song glorifying running away. I even remember people going gaga over the animation and I really don't get that one because it was nothing new even for the time. I also didn't care about the characters Anna is nothing new for Disney and Elsa makes a better book or even tv show character where we can spend more than an hour with her... Am I forgetting anyone? Any men maybe? I don't think so... Oh well. 🤷‍♀️😜 I also hate how people made a big deal that was a Disney movie not about romantic love which is also nothing new to Disney we have the sisters in Lilo and Stitch, the Fox and the hound, Great mouse detective, The rescuers, Pinocchio, Dumbo, Alice in wonderland, Jungle book am I making my point or do I need to list more? The only truly revolutionary thing Frozen did was make Elsa queen and honestly? That title deserves to go to another Disney princess.

[@hunterolaughlin]

Who is that other Disney Princess that deserves the title of Queen more than Elsa?

[@xarenanotmyrealname4134]

@hunterolaughlin Oh plenty of them I didn't have one in mind mainly because my two favorite Disney chicks could never become princesses.

[@hunterolaughlin]

@ Who are they?

[@xarenanotmyrealname4134]

@hunterolaughlin Well hmm... Their first Disney princess Snow white she was the first Disney princess to grace the screen if they had made a movie years later about her being a queen that would have been interesting oh there's Disney's four biggest money makers Cinderella, Jasmine, Belle and Ariel I don't even like two out of those four but their undeniably iconic you have any I missed?

[@hunterolaughlin]

@ There’s Rapunzel, Tiana and Kida, but she’s not part of the official Disney Princess lineup.

[@0h_hi_mark]

I was 17 when I saw the movie and I’m 28 now, even then thought the movie was waaaaay overhyped. Sorry. I’m not a die hard fan of frozen. 4:39

[@somewackoonyoutube2449]

I feel old considering I was 10 when this film first came out

[@BetterWithBob]

I'm still trying to comprehend that people born in 2000 are turning 25 next year

[@SpiderNightcrawler]

I'm really glad someone else is out here championing for how Anna is just... a better character than Elsa (at least at times, though I consider her a stronger and better character overall) and it's interesting because Anna doesn't really change. She doesn't have the dynamic character arc and she ends the movie more or less how she started - you always got the impression that she never stopped loving Elsa and everyone who can read between the lines knows that she wouldn't have skipped a beat in supporting Elsa, powers or no. She really is the de facto "Disney Princess" of the movie. I might be biased though because it's really easy for me to find criticism with Elsa and how she acts and reacts compared to Anna; I'm an older sister on the spectrum and technically part of the alphabet people (asexual, don't really feel part of the community but it's whatever) with mental health issues (that's literally everybody nowadays though if we're being real) and I'm really self-critical, so that is kind of projected onto Elsa. Meanwhile my younger sister's a wide-eyed, intelligent, _hilarious_ weirdo who I adore and look up to because she seems so much stronger and proactive than I've ever been so when I see Anna, I see a beacon of love, empathy and strength and Elsa's the angsty distant one who's needy and makes everything about her however unintentional because she's "different" (Yes, I haven't forgotten about Frozen Fever where ANNA'S BIRTHDAY PARTY got turned into "let's focus on Elsa more") ...Like I said, lots of projection. All that being said, I love Anna, she'll always remind me of my own red-head, freckled, strange sister who makes me laugh and never fails to do everything in her power help her own distant, needy, emotionally stunted sister

[@ionasappy2732]

how much of an interesting analysis would be to make that Wicked has influenced modern Disney in both good and bad? There's title naming patterns (Wicked, Enchanted, Tangled, Frozen), the poppy music, the more sitcomy upbeat humor, the "misunderstood villain" / twist villain, the "deeper story", the meta humor, the two types of female characters (adorkable Glinda and girlboss Elphaba). Wicked came out in 2003 and was very very very popular.

[@growingupwithdisney]

And is a supposed villain’s origin story, Maleficent, Cruella, and sorta Frozen with Elsa as a non-villain now

[@azural8347]

I'm sorry but wicked's soundtrack is far from "poppy"

[@TheActualAldo]

I love your videos and all, I truly consider myself your fan, but this video on my favourite animated movie made me really sad by making me actually open my eyes and say You're right :(

[@dokiepkosa]

Tin Man mention, I cheered

[@BetterWithBob]

I haven't rewatched it all but it has so many interesting ideas!

[@ZombiiChix]

Considering Astrid is heavily responsible for the attack on Berk (she literally eggs on the villain) and the narrative never calls her out for this nor does she experience any sort of guilt at her mistake. That alone makes it impossible for me to see the film as a 10/10.

[@BetterWithBob]

Oh I'd have to rewatch. It's been a few years

[@cantthinkofabettername6758]

the attack would have happened regardless of what astrid did or did not say to drago. hiccup's main motivation during the first half of the film was to confront him directly in an attempt to change his mind, which, thanks to his tendency to overshare, would have still caused berk to become a target

[@scarlett5247]

Totally agree about the CGI thing, that's why I don't like Tangled, even though Rapunzel was my favourite fairytale ever growing up. Disney fairytales don't look good with CGI, Meet the Robinsons is the only Disney CGI movie I like cuz it works with the futuristic setting. Even though 2D animation is my favourite form, the Barbie movies for example, wouldn't work in 2D as an actual Barbie doll is three-dimensional. A fairytale in a book is two-dimensional, therefore 2D is the perfect arena, in general 2D has more heart. My favourite quote by Jeffrey Katzenberg is, "2D animation is like a handwritten letter, 3D animation is like a typed letter."

[@BetterWithBob]

Ooh that is an excellent way of putting it :D I may steal that in the future

[@scarlett5247]

@@BetterWithBob Couldn't ask for a better compliment

[@manorex1c]

Idk if you've ever seen this movie, but would you ever do a review on Penelope (2006) ? It's kinda a modern twist on beauty and the beast and the kinda "girl in the tower" trope. :) it's really beautiful, highly recommend

[@BetterWithBob]

@@manorex1c oh the one with Christina Ricci? Never actually seen but have heard of it

[@manorex1c]

@BetterWithBob yes! You totally should, I would love to hear ur opinion on it

[@CleverGirlAAH]

It wasn't a popular movie... It was a popular song...

[@BetterWithBob]

Oh it was a popular movie lol

[@CleverGirlAAH]

@@BetterWithBob That's not what I mean. The song is the movie, really. The opening one, and Let it Go. everything else is so forgettable.

[@fergusclarken8437]

Hans plans shouldn’t be deconstructed it’s a kid’s movie that doesn’t need multiple layers of logic

[@TanyaParker-r8c]

No, it doesn't hold up. Peoppe still hate Frozen and they can seem to let it go already. 🙄 See what I did there? 😏

[@BetterWithBob]

Slow clap

[@ericgeddes3353]

I really dislike Frozen even though Frozen Heart is a great song. Growing up on fairy tales The Snow Queen absolutely terrified me, to the point of being afraid to be outside alone in winter. Since then though I have come to like its themes and the fact its a common girl [not a princess] who goes through all that hardship to save her best friend. I was really exited when I heard Disney was making a version of it because I knew they'd make one that I'd probably like. Then I saw the movie and realized (later) they had changed so much that it didn't even seem like the same story. I'm not saying anyone is wrong who likes it I'm just not one of them.

[@BetterWithBob]

I actually have similar feelings. And the same towards Tangled, since a strength of the Rapunzel fairy tale is that she's a common girl who becomes a fallen woman - gets pregnant out of wedlock and is banished to the desert by her stepmother - and the prince doesn't care and searches for her while he's blind.

[@needhd7159]

I heard good things about Frozen, watched it, didn't like it

[@BioLivbanon]

It didn't even hold up back then!

[@bavard100]

As an animator its is a classic for reference. The body language and face expressions are amazing and full of motion. (Let it go was good for its time when I first watched it though be more OMPH it was bit underwhelming. BUT show yourself in frozen 2 blew my mind away, imagine let it go 6 years later) THE CONCEPT ART now they are the best. There video on ‘life too short’ the way they storyboarded the sisters arguing at a distance is AMAZING! As animator I use frozen as a daily reference. Story wise I prefer concept art Elsa being the villain, I do not like that Hans twist it felt out of place….then again I love any living the body language just before Anna comes in to kiss Hans. One of the people said ‘arrendale look to you’. That hopeless sigh in body language and face expression in Hans saying ‘I have no choice but he’s right’ Also that scene Elsa in the jail, he begs for her to stop she responds ‘I cant’ the expression he returns is like ‘i have no choice,’ or shocked maybe he never wanted to intend to kill her, maybe he he did. Sounds stupid while typing this but like ‘I have no choice but get rid of her as she can’t stop it hersekf’, like that’s last resort. Then when Hans says ‘your sister is dead’ the face expression that’s pulls and the slight head shake. *french kiss*. When Elsa falls you see Hans expression in distance is hopeless and sad/worried. Omg the scene when he outside Elsa ice castle ‘no harm comes to the queen’. That body language and head movement along with the expression of determination but worried. It’s stuff like that why put the effort in these expressions and for him to turn out to be the villain. I love analysing Hans and what’s going on in his mind. I guess we can parallel with that with Elsa with her body language and expression as she’s ’misunderstood villain’. Frozen 2 you could understand why I was pissed no Hans, and Anna cones queen. It felt like slap in the face because if Hans didn’t turn villain he could’ve been king. I rather have Hans than kristoff to be king. Kristoff doesn’t like the ritual stuff (in concept in frozen 2) but also ‘fixer upper’ not right for a king. Sorry just nerd when it comes to films,

[@BetterWithBob]

No need to be sorry. It's great to hear an animator's perspective :)

[@crystaluwu1012]

Lmao am i the only one or are you all people in the comments being way to biased? Its not a terrible film the concept is interesting and decently done, your all just hating it because its overrated. Not to be the hater, its a childrens show wether you like it or not children like it so no matter how slop it is because its popular to children Disney won't give a fuck about your opinion.

[@eszterbalogh5252]

I never liked this movie, Tangled zootopia moana and encanto are better.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@eszterbalogh5252 was never the biggest fan of Zootopia myself

[@TomWDW1]

​@BetterWithBob we could tell from it's inclusion in this video, lol. I'm "meh" on Zootopia myself. Not sure how it won the Best Animated Feature Oscar. I much preferred Kubo & the Two Strings [for the art alone!!] and Moana.

[@ChrisTheAspergerGuy]

Honestly, I never understood the big deal about Frozen and that Let It Go song is nails on a chalkboard to me. I'm glad so many people enjoy this film, but it's not for me. Also, I have to disagree about the animation style. I very much prefer CGI animation to the hand-drawn stuff. Everything just moves smoother and clearer on screen. I'm not saying the hand-drawn ones aren't good. A lot of them are, but I like the Pixar/Dreamworks style better.

[@BetterWithBob]

The CGI stuff just gives me uncanny valley vibes with how plasticky it is

[@ChrisTheAspergerGuy]

@@BetterWithBob Animation in general doesn't compare to live action, though.

[@QUEENOBSCURE]

always felt the plot was weak, but yet the character felt full and well rounded. Why the flim was meh...the plot didn' carry the characters, Why I always say. I love the characters not the plots.

[@BetterWithBob]

That's why I prefer the second. It balanced plot and character much better

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

oh? Bob is a lowkey cute actually wrestler dude? well well well

[@BetterWithBob]

Haven't wrestled in ten years aha

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

@@BetterWithBob oh, well, nontheless, if that was you at the beginning, just sayin' :P hehe

[@0h_hi_mark]

5:48 omg when was there a frozen 2!?!?

[@SplatterInker]

Can we stop calling the parodies and jokes made about Disney online in the 2000s and 2010s "bad faith criticism"? 1. they weren't criticism. They were jokes made either at the expense of something super popular you didn't like (Twilight) or they were loving send ups of things you did... its the same dynamic when teens in a friendship group completely disagree over a movie, but they can agree X didn't make a lot of sense, or Y was a bit dodge. 2. they were the chat of immature teens and their 20/30 year old enablers. We've taken it seriously for far too bloody long. And every generation needs to have its little vent for figuring this stuff out on their own. Yet the internet makes it seem like every casual dissection for funsies is some deep and meaningful thesis. And sure, some of them can be that, but mostly people are just talking shit about the stuff they love?!

[@Capydapy]

Nah. They're bad criticism.

[@awhimsyreader9015]

To be fair there were actual instances of bad faith criticisms like all those Buzzfeed articles published at the time