FSD 12.5.6.3 | E2E Highway & City Driving + Smart Summon

[@StrangeDays25]

All of this is freaking crazy cool. Who cares about drivers that are rude and impatient. They are rude and impatient no matter how you drive.

[@CanadaFSD]

@@StrangeDays25 yeah the technology is honestly so impressively cool. I drove for 3.5 hours yesterday and only had two interventions the entire time, it’s crazy how good it’s getting. And true about impatient drivers, lol.

[@walidoutaleb7121]

@@CanadaFSD that really impressive. Tesla is saying that v13 6x the amount of miles between interventions. really excited for the future. i hope they dont make it any more expensive to buy once they figure the thing out lol.

[@CanadaFSD]

@@walidoutaleb7121 yeah I currently just pay $99 a month for FSD, but if they actually manage to pull off unsupervised FSD I could see them raising the price, why wouldn’t they. I’m just having a hard time committing to purchasing it outright.

[@RubenKelevra]

3:12 FSD is actually excellent at measuring the speed of the car in front, way further than how a human does while driving. So it usually keeps like 1-2 km/h higher than the car in front, even if it is 30 car length away. So it just very slowly creeps up to the traffic in front, instead of accelerating unnecessarily and then needing to slow down as it reaches the car in front. Which wastes energy by driving faster AND by having to slow down again, without any benefit.

[@RubenKelevra]

21:05 well, it's matching the speed of the vehicles in front there, if the road would have been clear, it would accelerate much more quickly now with hurry :)

[@RubenKelevra]

21:32 I don't know if that's in E2E Highway yet but previously you would need to set it in the navigation system "use HOV lanes" if that's allowed for this route.

[@RubenKelevra]

15:21 recognizing brake lights is a bad thing. Most people hit their brakes very softly and if FSD would react to brake lights all the time the ride would be pretty rough. So it's understandable that FSD basically ignores brake lights in most situations and looks out more for differences in the distance to the car in front and changes in trajectory of the car in front more as a signal. The delay there was odd, but not uncommon for human drivers as well to take a second to react. Maybe just an issue in the training data itself, which tells FSD "it's normal to wait a second before hitting the brake even if the car in front starts braking heavily".

[@RubenKelevra]

12:07 A human just proofed you wrong ;)

[@velocity5629]

Late braking and following too close were the immediate observations both my wife and I had during our first Toronto commute on the DVP and 401 with 12.5.6.3 in a 2024 Model 3 LR. Speed profile changes didn't seem to affect the behaviour at all.

[@DevinOlsen]

Was that highway only, or did you notice that on the city streets too? I found chill kept a good follow distance, the other two follow closer than I would like.

[@velocity5629]

@@DevinOlsen 90 minutes of mostly highway driving. There was definitely a distinct difference in the behaviour of FSD - I just didn't see anything I would consider an improvement.

[@DevinOlsen]

@@velocity5629 That's interesting, for me I feel like this is a night and day difference from 12.5.4.x... The way it accelerates and handles traffic is notably better. I haven't spent a ton of time on the highway with it, but overall it does seem more capable, just a few small QoL improvements that I would like to see. Overall though this is imo the best build of FSD that I have ever driven, and I have driven nearly 30,000 KM with FSD.

[@velocity5629]

@@DevinOlsen I really want FSD to succeed, but it is still effectively a "guessing technology" - albeit an extremely sophisticated one. It's essentially guessing at shapes for identification without any validation and mostly gets things right. I think FSD v13 and acesss to the full resolution of the HW4 cameras will be a major improvement in its guessing skills, but I suspect FSD will remain a supervised feature for some time. Kudos to the FSD development team for what they have accomplished to date - it truly can be magical at times. But I think those final few inches to get it across the line ie. unsupervised with the existing tech hardware will be a real challenge. There are just so many changing variables and environments to account for.

[@mikegiron3071]

I saw the same on both local and highway driving in Chicago rain yesterday on E2E, excessively aggressive stopping for the conditions. Not an issue for my car stopping, but unnecessarily fast stops for the car behind. Especially since it will snow soon we may need a tweak to Chill mode, or even an inclement weather setting to prevent rear end accidents

[@fergyspoolshots]

Nice work. Where u get those nice foot pedals bro?

[@CanadaFSD]

@@fergyspoolshots I got them from amazon, if you search “Spigen Stuttgart Designed for Tesla Model 3 & Y (Carbon Edition) Non-Slip Performance Stainless Steel Foot Pedal with EZ Slide 5 Minute Install 2023/2022” it should pop up for you! They’re great

[@kush9195]

Just so you know there is an option to use hov lanes in the map navigation settings

[@DevinOlsen]

Oh yeah you're right... I honestly forgot about that.

[@billh3860]

Two years now and FSD has never recognized HOV here in the lower mainland of BC…

[@MagivaIT]

I'm confused. you don't think running a red light is a critical safety issue?

[@DevinOlsen]

I was pretty clear I thought, yes it’s an issue but I had time to intervene and like I said it’s FSD Supervised. Ultimately every decision the car makes is being “approved” by me. Should it run the red? Definitely not, but I’m certain they’ll fix it.

[@MagivaIT]

@DevinOlsen it's a safety critical issue, not because you'll catch it but more that others may not. that's what holds it back from wide release. it will get fixed in the next release ha ha. that's the message since day 1.

[@DevinOlsen]

@@MagivaIT Sure it's a safety critical issue. The key thing here is this at the end of the day is a level 2 ADAS. The word supervised is in the name, so that's what you need to be doing when you're using it. It's not perfect, if it was and these issues were happening I could see reason to be upset - but for now it's an ever evolving system. If you're genuinely coming here to complain about FSD and cannot see how the software (though not perfect) is incredibly impressive today, then we really don't have anything to discuss. FSD will save lives, human drivers are ignorant, selfish drivers. The sooner we remove humans from the driving equation the better.

[@MagivaIT]

@DevinOlsen strange that you would assume that I'm complaining about fsd. I love the software and the progress. this was just a point that way too many dismiss very important things as being fine. it's easy to lose perspective when gaining complacency. thousands of people use in its current form and running a red light just isn't acceptable to be allowed out from walls of internal testing. it's only my opinion. good to have a dialog.

[@ehuna]

Yes, of course it is and with the hundreds of thousands of Nvidia GPUs Tesla has purchased this year alone, the improvements on its AI/FSD models can clearly be seen and are exponential. Unsupervised FSD will soon be here. Yesterday I saw a Toyota driver burn a red light, no accident happened, but it's certainly another safety issue, and thousands happen every day by other folks driving manually.

[@VishnuKamath]

As you mentioned its supervised. I don't trust this over yielding left hand turns. It doesn;'t place itself in the right lane especially in city.

[@maxsteele1]

100% FSD should not ever tailgate no matter what mode is selected especially on the freeway and while we are in active development. If people really love to tailgate then I suppose add a follow distance to be more aggressive but I would argue against that especially if Tesla ever gets to level 3 or higher and takes liability. I generally want the largest follow distance possible on FSD, even in chill mode the follow distance is too small on city streets and may be a bit too far on the freeway. But ya ideally there would be 2 follow distance settings with 1 for city and 1 for freeway.

[@RubenKelevra]

15:33 well, sorry, but that's the problem of the car behind you. Texting is illegal, and driving with too little safety distance is too. If they do both and rear end you, they are at fault 100%.

[@CanadaFSD]

@@RubenKelevra sure, I get that I wouldn’t be at fault if I got rear ended, but I’d rather just have the car drive defensively so that the chances of me being rear ended were minimal.