AAU Holdbacks Hold Back TALENT & MONEY | Gilbert Arenas Destroys Popular High School Basketball Move

[@2ooClean]

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[@lowerwoodlandallday]

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[@2ooClean]

What’s so funny is

[@TrustTha5s]

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[@_Cal30K]

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[@phillipsosa3353]

Instead of holding my son back I moved him up. He's only 5 played 1 year of tee-ball but I knew he was ready to play real baseball with the older kids. So I had him tryout for the league officials and they agreed he could be moved up to play with the 6-8 year olds where they actually pitch and it's real baseball. He's the smallest kid but let me tell you he has advanced so much quicker playing with them rather than another year of tball. And he actually competes with them he's not just out there striking out and missing the ball lol we trained a lot before I threw him in the fire. I agree 100% holding your kid back is literally what you're doing, holding them back

[@King-ns7it]

Depends on the kid. I coach ball, football and basketball, and especially in basketball, I've seen kids dominate at the younger ages, and have seen kids who were trash early. But the kids who were trash, are now way better than the kids who were good early. It takes time, and everybody is not as focused. Some kids just aren't ready and need the time to develop. Out of all kids that play, probably less then 1 percent are really ready to compete at the highest level. LeBron was 6'8 and 250lbs as a high school senior, that's not normal.

[@vincent763]

@@King-ns7it the ppl the make the pros are usually the late bloomers. Sure big time recruits make it but it’s usually the guys that had to work their ass off every level that end up making it.

[@matthewcasteal4154]

What are some drills you do with him? I got a 5 year old also

[@Thoth722]

Thanks for stating this as a expecting father who wants my son to play baseball ⚾️ I told my old lady we’re not holding our son back in sports

[@vincent763]

@@Thoth722 def play him up

[@vinylworthy]

I get the argument but there was no way D-Wade was going to go to the NBA straight out of high school or be a one and done. Melo and Lebron were McDonald's All-Americans. D-Wade had to develop to become a high level draft pick. He essentially came out of nowhere. He had scholarship offers from Illinois State, Bradley, and Marquette. DWade didn't stay back to try and be top dog against younger guys. People try to play the system to avoid competition and make it to the league. The beauty of sports is you can't run from competition forever. Eventually you'll have to face the best to see if you're the real deal. If you're not you either get better or find a new profession.

[@lamasterbatonlll1383]

I thought Melo won a title in college

[@vinylworthy]

@@lamasterbatonlll1383 Melo did win a title in college.

[@khalildavis8858]

I agree but ultimately that wasn’t Gill argument. His argument was if you you are able to pro go soon as possible

[@vinylworthy]

@@khalildavis8858 I understood the argument but he used a bad example in comparing DWade, Melo and Lebron’s financials. It wouldn’t have been in DWade’s best interest to go pro early but he did go pro as soon as he was ready.

[@f.o.e4942]

@@vinylworthy nah you’re missing the point. Parents are willingly holding their kids back 1 and even 2 grades to get a competitive advantage. His example was just on enetering the draft at diff ages - more opportunity to sign more contracts before retirement when you’re younger

[@Harlemkat121]

Lenny Cooke is a perfect example. When Lebron beat him in AAU and they found out he was a year older. His career was over

[@praeliator]

Oh man. I remember the hype. The top high school prospect in the country. He messed up by declaring for the 02 draft, making ineligible for college. He couldn't play organised ball for a long time and that halted his development. Another what could've been.

[@kadarius213]

It was his own fault , and bout having the right people around that ended his career, lebron out played everyone at one point or another . Lenny was just too overconfident and in the end it ruined him .

[@simpdown1404]

🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@allconditions2259]

There is no cookie cutter process that works for everyone. Some kids need to go to college and learn how to play the game the right way. Some kids already have a high basketball iq along with talent and get play with pros asap.

[@illdaniel]

Gil made some great points but he forgot take into consideration talent and physical maturity. Lebron and Melo are once in a generation talents compared to D-Wade, who was a late bloomer. It may have his chances of immediate success in the league if he went to the NBA two years earlier.

[@freddycalipari4242]

One thing I'll say is CP3 was drafted two years after Melo and made 30 mil more according to what Gilbert said. He didn't come in at 18 either he was 20.

[@ibsmith0685]

Thats a bad comparison being that Melo was black balled out of the league while cp3 was still getting top tier money

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

Melo was blackballed out of the league for one year. Oh poor guy!

[@vizualdreamerz7562]

@@ibsmith0685 I think he said until 2016 which is before he was blackballed

[@RicardoGarcia-li7bw]

I get his point but I think he's wrong. D Wade probably wasn't ready for the NBA at 18 years old like LeBron. Some of these athletes actually need that extra time to compete at a high level

[@thetruthsayer8347]

Lebron is an anomaly.

[@ItsJustZeeBTW]

He's just making the analogy to show you the financial difference it makes, he's not comparing their development as players. If you can be a pro by 18-19, then you shouldn't be held back.

[@malcolmcrawford8929]

Gil makes a good point but lol he started stumbling with the D Wade analogy.

[@369pendulum]

I actually have no clue what he's even trying to say lol

[@kenfolk5309]

pretty much put it in prime perspectives. If Bates & Scoot are 17 in college/ pro lvl comp they'll have the advantage compared to 17 yr old hs juniors/seniors once they both are in the league

[@369pendulum]

@@kenfolk5309 But why bring up D Wade? Doesn't he completely destroy that argument?

[@kenfolk5309]

@@369pendulum he was trying to correlate prime & pay. Which is why he brought up melo & lbj. so basically he feels if wade came out @17/18 he'd be higher in career earning rankings like melo & bron

[@jman1562001]

That is true from a money standpoint....more chances to accumulate. However, if wade wasn't drafted to Miami would he had developed to being a star that he did. The Heat had a structure in place and vets to learn from. Every player doesn't get that which imo hurts their development long term. Which in turn will hurt their bag too.

[@wallermichel2966]

I typically think Gills analysis is spot on. However the point he was trying to make here wasn’t fundamentally sound.. all things considered wade could have ended in a terrible situation or came out of the draft in an earlier year and things could have not worked in his favor do to other factors

[@marchveris]

Gil made some good points, he is just wrong.

[@christopherantoine9657]

@@marchveris I wouldn't say Gil is wrong. There are examples of athletes that played against better comp and had great careers as a result. It just depends on the athlete. While it worked out for someone like LaMelo, some kids are just not developed yet. They need college and that development helps their game for the pros.

[@ItsJustZeeBTW]

He's making that point only to illustrate what holding someone back does. There's no perfect example to illustrate this in real life, but just the fact Wade was the oldest and all 3 of them were superstars in their peak, shows how much financial difference it makes.

[@simpdown1404]

He’s not saying anything regarding when Wade should pro… He’s just using their respective ages to strengthen his point.

[@chaera16]

It's situational according to the players development

[@sjaykay9884]

Right. No way Dwyane Wade would have even gotten drafted at 18. Hell, that final four run is what got him drafted so high the year he was drafted. Now he turned out to be that guy, but Wade is an example of a player where going to college actually helped him and didn’t hurt him.

[@jman1562001]

Paul pierce is another good example too. Some guys need that seasoning too come out more complete players.

[@marrmarbinks]

It’s stupid to be behind every person you grew up with just to try and dominate younger competition at that point you are not an actual athlete or competitor

[@bakgammon]

It's mainly parents who live through their kids.

[@K-Dub67]

It doesn’t work that way for every kid, holding back worked well for some kids.

[@daylonmonette1847]

Works well for HS kids… not for guys with a pro future in any sport

[@willardmatsaudza3101]

@@daylonmonette1847 not true look at Donovan Mitchell stayed behind 2 years in college. I think John wall was held back in high school as well

[@tyreljenkins5655]

With all that said d-wade still ended up as a top three all time shooting guard, the face of Miami sports, top 75 nba team, and helped lebron become the champion he is now. Lastly came out to be wealthy on and off the basketball court. Everyone’s journey is different.

[@bodegaboys7475]

Lol

[@ItsJustZeeBTW]

That doesn't have to do with the point he's making, if someone can go pro early they shouldn't be held back cuz that's years taken off your pro career which is a lot of money, we all know Wade needed some development in college.

[@jman1562001]

I see gils argument but that logic applies to a small subsection of nba players. Probably about 30 to 50 guys in the NBA. Holding players back make sense for their development on and off the floor. But it's situational based on his personality type too. A high motor guy will progress regardless while a low key lazy type needs a extra push. And getting on the right team and coach is key too. Bad coaching with no development has killed many careers on all levels and teams lacking a structure will have high turnover. It's a reason less then 10 NBA teams and 20 NCAA college teams win and are successful yr in and out. Great coaching and great structure. When Bron got great structure in Miami look how his career took off. Melo never truly got that and when he was NY couldn't fully buy in until late in his career when he is looking for a ring.

[@madmaxpirate]

The book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell proves the point of holding kids back. The older kids are bigger, better, and that's leads to more attention. Check it out.

[@ayoPHREEK]

It depends on the kid...what level of talent the already started with? How determined are they to compete and geg better? Are they willing to accept failing and not get discouraged? Already talented, strong willed, and confident kids can move up early eithout destroying their developement....kids not as fortunate need the extra playing time on the court and experience to develop to where they need to be to compete on the next lvl as well. Advancing a kid without the talent and the mindset that it wont be easy will discourage them and probably slow their growth as well. But gipbert is right in the sense that holding a kid back would slow his development, not help him. If hes not good he needs to find a trainer, not play with younger kids. Develop your skills at your level. Move up once you perfect it

[@SkillDoctor]

Thank you 🙏🏾 nothing comes from holding your child back beside false entitlement

[@CiVilianGroup]

Parenting advice from gun Gil that’s smart

[@pmac133]

Cassius Stanley was like a 21yr old freshman

[@Hawleyave]

It was a good example you guys are just thinking about the names he said a little too hard 😂

[@gradymckinney7306]

Towards the end when explains the money... Dont forget the bag gets bigger if u lead the league in stats or make an all nba or defensive team or all star etc

[@yesimemoin0935]

If you're held back and you end up being an elite player, you can go to summer school and start college with your original class easily. If you end up being mediocre, you still have a one year head start to help you get a scholarship. There's no downside unless you're that late bloomer who graduated at 17.

[@sjaykay9884]

Gil be talking slow like he’s about to make a fire ass point and then say something regular asl 🤣

[@stringer2295]

“You gotta remember, if your shoot the ball, it’ll leave your hands”

[@sjaykay9884]

@@stringer2295 🤣🤣🤣🤣 all while pausing between phrases as he says it

[@stringer2295]

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[@A350Airways]

As much as player development might vary a lot from a player to another, at 2:17 one must realize that some states put an age limit on who can play in high school, and what reasons are appropriate for holding back a kid (usually academic issues are the main reason why athletes are held back at that level)...

[@PRODbyKingDavis]

He’s interviewed a few hold backs but never told them this 😩😩😩😩 lol

[@justicekithcart5559]

Man this real shit parents don’t hold your kids back go up a grade before anything else!

[@fr3nzy_clips345]

Paolo and Chet are hold backs going in the lottery

[@nicholaspu]

I forgot so much so I’m glad cause it’s like I gotta remember ….

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

Gilbert has a fair point, but he also fails to realize that most of the highest paid players in the NBA who have 30 or more career minutes per game happened to be former draft picks who were at least age 20. Let’s not forget about the international prospects and redshirting draft picks who did not play until more than one calendar year after they were drafted. He also fails to realize that the overwhelming majority of players who played at least 20 years were 20 years or older upon getting drafted.

[@breeimverythankful1882]

You’re amazing, you make me feel great about my decision for my child.

[@702TifosiGambler]

The league is so much younger now that guys can come in at 18,19 and be contributors or mini stars when Wade went pro the norm was still to go to college for at least two years and sometimes three years. Back then taking the leap was risky, LeBron Kobe TMAC Garnett, those are super exceptions guys like JR Smith , Stephen Jack, Telfair, Brandon Jennings,Amir Johnson they had ok careers but clearly not those other guys and then there’s a tier below them that many have never heard of who lasted for maybe a season or 2, Gil not wrong he just used an example from a different era with different circumstances.

[@jman1562001]

And all those guys you listed would have been more complete players even if they were just one and done. I didn't agree at first with the rule, but the NBA was not interested in developing talent like they are now. It was you get our there and win or we will find your replacement

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

Holding back is just another term for not working hard. These parents are so foolish that they fail to realize that you might also need different forms of experiences (in this case sporting experiences) define success in the path a kid is trying to do well in. Besides, these parents will always fail to realize that specialization hurts success while being a generalist in the path to specialization is the best path to success for most.

[@imjustsayingpodcast3422]

Aau is a necessary evil in todays game. It’s frustrating but it does help kids get to where they need to go

[@VigilanteWilliamson]

Different sport but John Elway was a famous hold back so it has worked out. Edit I think Amare Stoudimire was also a holdback iirc.

[@marvincarter1633]

His point sounds good when talking about the elite players but what about the average player.

[@Thoth722]

Gilbert right in this one, either we set up our kids early for competition or they falter when it’s time to play against competition

[@trejones9751]

Chris paul came in at 20 not 18. It’s about the size of the contract a player was signing. I get the overall premise but dwade was a bad example. Dwade passed on signing the max a couple of times in order to get players to win then was screwed by the heat at the end thinking they would take care of him for takin those paycuts in order to win later on and they didn’t, where as melo never took less. wade sacrificed money for rings melo sacrificed rings for money

[@chesterpritchett4867]

And don't forget when LeBron screwed him by get him to turn down the bulls deal to sign with him with cav for the veteran min

[@bigseltzer5442]

20 is still younger than 21 correct me if I'm wrong?

[@trejones9751]

@@bigseltzer5442 wats your point? If you’re referring to dwade, like i said Dwades career earnings had less to do with what age he came into the league and more to do with the fact he took pay cuts to win

[@SteveMontay]

This reminds me of the Felipe Lopez incident

[@TheFilmSpace1]

This is a bad take. Every kid is different

[@gregorysutton553]

so biased

[@mikejones9906]

Can someone please explain to me what the heck this dude is saying??? Lol

[@369pendulum]

I have no clue brotha 🤣 I tried so hard to follow but I came to the conclusion it's just entertaining nonsense.

[@FuboSports]

TL:DR - Don't hold your kids back😂

[@princetonjoshway4689]

If you dont have kids in sports you probably wouldn't understand. But he saying holding your kids back not advantage in long run.

[@realsinceday1632]

I agree with what Gil says here when it comes to grade school you should not PURPOSELY hold your kid in a certain grade so they can be better but I disagree with his logic once they get to college if you’re not ready for the pros you stay in college longer that’s what it’s there for

[@tucidni]

you gotta member

[@swagg4pres853]

Yep I'm 7th grade playing JV avg 13pts right now.

[@jaylenoo744]

John Wall was a hold back if I’m not mistaken

[@peerlessbeard8914]

He describing Kyrie Walker to me

[@gillokonkwo791]

If he actually looks it up. Most players go back a year including Lebron. Lebron graduated high school in 03 like me, but is a year older. Dwight graduated a year before me, and is the same age.

[@scooterblack5355]

I disagree? My friend dad did it in the 8th. He was pissed but he end up a legend. He ended up drafted 13th in what would've been his class. It was genius.

[@andyorton9622]

Weird. I don’t get all these people reclassifying their 7th graders, but how many people are thinking the NBA is realistic? I think everyone would take DWade’s career and feel pretty good about it.

[@choogafantastic5946]

Facts. Nobody will end up a d Wade to only be disappointed that they weren’t Carmelo - lol

[@Rich-tb6uh]

Is it about the money or being a all time great? I just don’t get this entire basketball community with the reclassification just to be extremely young in the NBA. If you look over history the most impactful players of all time went to college for 3-4 years and were older players. If it’s meant for you it will happen.

[@choogafantastic5946]

I don’t agree on this one, MJ shaq magic and bird all did more than 1 year in college and their readiness for the NBA made them instant stars. It’s also true these megastars are few and far between.

[@hargressthompson1719]

Gilbert Arenas should be a Coach ‼️ His 🏀 mind is ridiculous everything he says when it comes to the game of basketball is true

[@samoso6979]

Nah

[@basketballajboy7683]

both of his kids are hold back

[@thatdudejq]

Damian Lillard's career earnings for a 4yr senior is going to be well over $300M. I get what Gil is saying in theory, but it's not necessarily a proven fact

[@quaniereacts]

03 & 12 are 2 different years. The NBA and players made significantly more money during Dames Career. The CBA earned teams for money and cap flexibility. How you think KD went to the warriors on a max?

[@thatdudejq]

@@quaniereacts I’m aware of that. Even if you put Dame up against the guys in his draft class who came out as Freshmen (Beal & AD) he’s still the highest earner.

[@qundraygray]

You know how many high major players got held back a grade in school. Dudes really be real life weak playing against KIDS

[@terryindachat7296]

Cassius Stanley is a good example, dude was a 19-20 year old senior dominating 15, 16 n 17 year olds..

[@15Jogador15]

The first 3:30 of this video didn't age too well 😂😂😂

[@chinaman1023]

This advice applies to like 10 people in the entire world

[@juliusedwards7199]

I agree that typically the final product does not come out on top. But, holdbacks are winning. Look at all of the highest draft picks over the last few years and they are just about all hold backs. Not only with holdbacks do you develop physically, but ur confidence grows, and confidence plays a major part of sports. With that being said, I am not a big fan of holding kids back just for sports.

[@princetonjoshway4689]

Every kid and journey is different. It shouldn't be allowed to hold kids back for advantage playing sports. Every parent think they kid going D1

[@kingdavid8657]

D Wade caught LeBron and Melo in talent

[@joejett5084]

To be fair to wade, Miami never gave him that max he wanted so he went to Chicago. That could of been that 40

[@SSSMOR.]

Chris Paul was 20 years old win he was drafted he went to college 2 years but he was still younger than wade was

[@OTGDelo]

I knew he was gone say 03 draft

[@chaun229]

You’re in the league longer and you make more money that’s simple but he made it very complicated

[@alleyepublishing8017]

This shit happens in high school wrestling a lot and it's pathetic!

[@taezos3731]

And look at dark milicic he was in that same draft class and he ain’t make shit... it’s age but it’s also talent and opportunities

[@CB-sj7cf]

Gil was incorrect on a lot of his points.

[@kidballerondeck]

I don’t agree with Gil here. We have to take into account the entire league on average. This logic isn’t accurate when you do. Players that go to college at least 1 year tend to have longer careers that are drafted

[@tc911b]

What happened to the white guy?

[@jackiejohnson6891]

I like to ask what should parents do when YOUR CHILD is being held back by the high school basketball coach due to politics for the wealthy kids

[@chaun229]

How he forget melo went to college for one year

[@gregorygray8899]

Ok, Pooh wasn't held back....in Chicago if your birthday isn't prior to the start of the school year(Sept) they won't let you attend. Pooh was born in October, so in preschool he was forced to wait a whole year and wait til the age of 6 to enroll. We are two years apart in age he we were always two apart in school. The confusion is middle school. There's a 5th/6th grade division inwhich Derrick was #1. Then you play 7th/8th grade division inwhich Derrick was #1.

[@Goodguy910]

I understand the comparison but he threw me off when he put Chris Paul in it cause he was 20-21 when he came in the league after playing 2 years of college

[@joemagwood7949]

Jimmy Butler came in the league at 23 Kawhi Leonard 21 Chris Middleton 22 Klay Thompson 21 Steph Curry 21 Kemba Walker 21 and all these guys when they finished playing will make over $200 million plus I see no McDonald All American on this list.

[@francisikwueme1688]

Exactly even Shaq a lot of money comparably for his era after three years of college . Sometimes you need more development at a lower level which can lead to u getting a bigger nba contracts and endorsements. Dame dollar did 4 years in college and has earned about 200m to date not counting off court Revenue.

[@navarrouse3447]

Jordan was 21

[@Chill_Brill]

D wade played in Florida so no state taxes so his net income isn't that bad compared to them

[@ShonTolliverMusic]

I might be stupid (I'm not) but I don't get it.

[@railTaterman]

Melo played a yr and won the chip at Syracuse gil

[@antchancey433]

Wade was low balled by Pat Riley and The MIAMI Heat organization .. that’s why he left to Chicago… Wade was suppose to be 1 team 1 franchise type player

[@Awkward_Inc3l]

You don’t become a successful franchise paying players for what they’ve done instead of what they can currently and do in the future.

[@wallermichel2966]

Tim Duncan

[@hotwaterme1]

Hey LaMelo skipped the 8th, 11th and 12th grade. Look at him now…

[@marlostandfield6054]

Dwade 190 million in Florida no state tax

[@skeyehigh9782]

Wouldn’t his kid be graduating high school at 19?

[@noreasons6709]

I would say it messes you up In a way that you want a little under the radar hyoe

[@MarcBrandMusic]

BYGR - Like if you know what that stands for lol

[@ac_thegoldenboy5218]

All facts

[@Courtdog2k3]

Gilbert incorrect here, it's about longevity. And not everyone benefits from getting to the league too fast, word to kwame brown and a gang of other players who didn't reach their potential

[@dariusstowers1491]

Derrick rose wasn’t held back in 8th grade

[@15Jogador15]

Chris Paul was actually 20.

[@claykingmuzik]

Tell steph curry he'd never catch the shooters of his age..

[@iBlazeCuh]

Chris Paul came in at 20 . not 18 Gil

[@PicassoPP]

How many have fake birth certificates? Asante Samuel’s let that cat out of the bag

[@cali4806]

Lmao scoot and emoni are busts now. Funny how he was pointing out those players then turns out they were bums currently

[@richarddrewwaltoniv]

Too many variables for this to make sense. You have injuries, location, market, etc. Everyone is different. For every Lebron you have a Kwame Brown.

[@benjamin5726]

Lol gilbert giving advice to who? .0001% of parents lmao ?

[@desmondlawson6589]

Kyree Walker

[@critacal]

The problem is majority of the kids are reclassified and it takes the attention away from the natural talent

[@darrelljones3965]

2 time kiddie pool champ lol

[@cl3410]

Huh ????

[@lindseyadams5339]

Gil not making sense on this one.

[@jumpshooter4095]

Gilbert makes a couple good points, except.... It doesn't matter if YOU made $200 million and I "only" made $150 million. That 150 changed me and my family's life. I don't need to compare or compete with the next man's money.

[@pandabear1576]

Of course you do as the next man’s value is how you’re supposed to weigh your value. It’s not even directly about the money it’s about how you’re valued generally in the market

[@charleshigby511]

Should go by age not grade! Sadly even AAU does not represent age but grade. In vegas you can be 19 and play on 17u? Riddle me this???? Bunch of D Arses