Fujifilm GFX50S II + XF 33mm f/1.4 - Two Reasons to Forget Full Frame

[@themusiclab2621]

Good to see this two guys hanging out ,it's been a while

[@mustachebandito]

I've really been loving what Fuji has been doing with their medium format platforms.

[@marcusoutdoors4999]

Best team on the inter web

[@megaman2016]

Best team on the webby tube

[@oc2phish07]

There are other pairs of KZbin presenters making photography videos but there is a very special magic between Kai and Lok. A combination of fun, p***-taking, genuine reviews and great ideas and friendship that make them just about the most enjoyable to watch. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you both, to your friends and families and to all your subscribers and viewers. Stay Safe and Well.

[@alexsystems2001]

That GFX is really a compelling option, the image quality is beautiful!

[@WillGallagher1]

I cannot wait to see how much it improves further over the next few years. The photos are soooo incredible, just wish it had faster AF.

[@makasii]

I use de GFX100S for street and travel photography. :-P Actually traveling through Thailand with it and its small brother X-T4 (as they share the same battery, very convenient couple! The GFX100S and its super resolution is a fantastic companion for candid shots, as you can crop anything anytime, giving a very wide range of opportunities and its weight is really good (I used to travel with the Nikon D810, it was heavier... (and previously the D4). Fujifilm is really amazing!

[@acrapid7845]

But d810 or d850 costs a x2.5 lower prices and 2 cameras havier then one 😁

[@williamaungleyraud]

Oh boy, the autofocus of this Panasonic camera (shot the video with) literally gives motion sickness to watch. Panasonic makes some great cameras, but they too need to up their autofocus game.

[@voorachter2733]

Always weird to see how a lot of people insist Panasonic is the ultimate brand for video while the AF is just so bad. Yes I'm aware the pros don't use autofocus but then again only a few people are pros.

[@RobBob555]

bollox

[@ush45]

@@voorachter2733 You sort of answered your own question there. But lots of amateur film makers like to shoot manual also because it gets you on the same workflow. AF is definitely finding it's niche in streaming and vlogging.

[@barrycohen311]

GFX and Zoom lens together weigh more than Lok! 25 Stones!

[@RobbyPedrica]

2 Nocts!

[@makasii]

not Fuji's fault if you lack on muscles 😂😂😂

[@ziginox]

"It's a serious camera, it don't do selfie!" And, those people saying it's e-ink have never seen a transreflective monochrome LCD before! Pretty beautiful panel, to be honest.

[@bunmeng007]

Always great to see the bokeh bro is back together again

[@acmdv]

Maybe the X-Pro4 will have IBIS and that new sensor they announced. Looking forward to 2022 with the potential for an X-H2, X-T5 & X-Pro4 with that new sensor (all with IBIS please). I love Fuji cameras with all those dials on the outside so you don't have to fiddle inside the menu system as much as "other" cameras.

[@mikewhiles4635]

Haven't seen Kwi for a while - he's looking so old ! Lok remains 100 % Lok and is a gem.😎 Oh and please ditch the Pana the AF is junk.😞

[@IAmAPhan]

The banter. Oh, I miss you guys.

[@BloodmoonPyke]

Gotta love the Fuji colours!

[@tomaszstramel3594]

Color me unimpressed.

[@gridlock2120]

@3:41 That's Gordon Laing

[@JohnDrummondPhoto]

Well spotted! 🕵🏾‍♂️

[@cameralabs]

guilty as charged!

[@Virenss4]

Fujifilm 5000IQ! "We skip full frame, go straight to medium format and make it as small as full frame"

[@billyshea2405]

I love you two making videos. Great dynamic range of jokes 😂😂🙏

[@losmalqueridos2009]

What does 35mm crop mode do on a native GFX lens? Say you had the 80mm F/1.7 which works out to be a 65mm F/1.3 in full frame terms. Does that 35mm crop mode turn the lens into a true 80mm F/1.7?

[@peterdemuth]

Uh… I want to go to a Fujishop to and get a……cookie to 🤣 thanks for the video. Fun to watch you in action!

[@vyrnmn]

3:40 a wild Gordon appeared!

[@cameralabs]

A rare sighting!

[@messylaura]

3:39 ha ha you spotted the Laing in its element

[@cameralabs]

Yeah, a rare sighting in the wild...

[@shadyninja1]

I think medium format cameras are the future and Sony will try to make one as their E mount reaches its limits.

[@groundcontrol6876]

Hmmm, I don't know, I personally don't think so. Currently I have an A7R3 that I've owned for a year now and I'm in love with it. That's not even their latest offering. They launched the A1 in January and that camera is just absolutely mind blowing in every sense. I've been eyeing it out and might actually upgrade just because of the insane autofocus it has plus the bird eye detection autofocus they added to it. Don't see a reason to increase sensor size.

[@shadyninja1]

@@groundcontrol6876 market dominance

[@cirmothe9]

I see Kai, I see Lok, I hit like.

[@andretim75]

No - false information! The old 35mm 1.4 is indeed 2mm smaller in diameter than the new 33mm 1.4, and of course it is more than 2 cm shorter ! So - it is quite a bit smaller and matches the X-Pro much better in size in my humble opinion!

[@ChrisGower]

Love you guys - including your poor memories! XF35mm f1.4 is tiny - almost as small as the Fuji F2s. Still excited about this lens, but the 33 is much bigger

[@carrieannkouri2151]

I love it in the studio.

[@falseicon]

The new 23mm is amazing

[@gaetanomagliuolo]

Beautiful this video about fujiflm, congratulations, two weeks have passed since I ordered my FUJIFILM X-T4 unfortunately it hasn't arrived yet.I hope I won't have to wait much longer.

[@sveneezy2059]

Good old Digital Rev days..

[@jakubstrumillo]

Fuji Intermediate Format is the new Full Frame. ...so APS-C become new M4/3? :D

[@billyshea2405]

Did you just call full frame apsc 🤔🤓

[@XTJ7]

I really liked the bits that were in focus :P

[@stephcharz9082]

I own the GFX50r. So much nicer to work with than the S model.And i mostly use TTartisan 35mm f1.4 with it , i think images by these lenses are really nice even when comparing to the native fuji lenses, have you tried that?

[@dougmacmillan1712]

I have held a 50r and thought it would be the perfect complement to my X-E3. Sadly, the word on the street is Fuji is discontinuing the 50r form factor. I can understand, though, since they are putting a 50mp in the X100s body, which keeps down costs. Too bad they are putting an older sensor in the 50s. It's like taking a modern Corvette body and putting a 1973 4 cylinder Chevy Vega engine in it.

[@Astrolavista]

I like the idea of 10 elements in 15 groups 😅

[@mikewhiles4635]

Funny !

[@SergioMusel]

GFX50S II is a good sign that they can come up with a MUCH more compact GFX50R... Please and thank you

[@SoCalPresa]

Poster of the movie Heat in the background means you guys traveled back in time and then shifted into the future. Relax guys!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ZJProductionHK]

O baby Kai, u got tanned!

[@KevinEscobarCo]

Why is that aperture ring so loose? Is it electronically controlled or mechanically linked like a Leica M mount lens?

[@average1395]

hey Kai. don't know if you read comments but thought I'd try. love the content been with you sense you were on the other channel. anyway I recently got a 90D and I'm looking to do some video and photography as well I'm kind of lost as to the best lens for should I get I'm looking at the 1000 budget mark so I don't want to mess up. if you can give me your opinion I'd appreciate. thanks

[@burritobrosvideos8060]

"Medium-ish format". So true

[@hungngngng]

Kai I bet you'd pull the wolf haircut look!

[@NunoxFerreira]

Nice that you take Gordon a photo!!😅That's chevallry...or whatever..🤩

[@henrikohm]

Kai, with fuji it’s easy. 100 is the first base version. S is the second. T is the third. F is the fifth because some superstition around four. Thanks again.

[@vanhavirta]

Interesting, but could F still stand for 'fourth' and the V in f100V be the Roman numeral for 5/5th? 🤔

[@sgroadie6367]

The lanterns are for mid autumn festival.

[@daniel635biturbo]

@ 6,45 Kai you got to focus, the S5 won't do it.

[@baraaamir7891]

How is the close focus distance of the new 33 compared to the 35 1.4?

[@stevemphoto]

The 33mm can focus as close as 30cm, the 35mm is 28cm.

[@mjmdiver1137]

The aperture ring is/was a primary reason I left Sony and went to the Fujifilm GFX line of gear... I grew up shooting with an aperture ring and I really like being able to use both hands to control the camera (and not leave all the functions up to one hand). For years, I used a bunch of adapted Leica lenses on the old Sony A bodies (of course, with aperture rings), but with the introduction of the FE lenses, I felt it was best to go with the native glass for a bunch of reasons... and I was forced to leave the aperture ring behind. While the apreture ring wasn't the only reason I left Sony behind, I think it was the final feature that seled the deal for me. I'm nit using the X series yet as I have been holding out until the new sensors become available (and it has been a long time coming!). Next year, I have a full kit with both GFX and X bodies going.

[@stephanschmidt2334]

The GFX50SII is the reason why Nikon has such a huge mount.

[@magiccarpetrider4594]

I plan to use adapted Zeiss ZE lenses. How does this compare to the canon R5 or Leica SL2 in terms of sharpness and color rendering? Anyone?

[@Ni5ei]

Can anyone explain what the deal with medium format is in this digital age? In the analog days medium format allowed you to print larger pictures (or crop) while maintaining sharpness because it used a physically larger film format. But nowadays camera manufacturers can decide how many pixels they want to put on any given sensor. Take Sony for instance: The A7RIV has the same physical size (full frame) sensor as the A7SIII, yet the former has 61MP while the latter only has 12.1MP So the only difference I see is the focal length you're using to get the framing you want. Which means medium format gives you less depth of field than full frame. I know this sometimes is desired but not always and you have to use larger f numbers with medium format (and thus longer shutter times) to get the same depth of field as full frame. Perhaps I'm missing something but personally I don't see myself buying a medium format digital camera...

[@Horrrrrrrrst]

I agree with you. The thing is, you don't even always get shallower depth of field with medium format. Take for example the widest open lens I was able to quickly find, the GF 80mm F1.7. That is equivalent to full frame 63mm F1.3 due to the 0.79 crop factor. Now, I don't think there are any full frame 63mm lenses, but there are Sony and canon lenses with 50mm F1.2 or 85mm F1.4. So in terms of aperture, the full frame systems are definitely competitive in shallowness and total light gathering ability. And the GF 80mm is an exception anyway. Most GF lenses are F2.0 or F2.8 at most, which would translate to F1.6 and F2.2 full frame equivalent, which is definitely matched by professional full frame lenses. About the last part of your comment, you don't actually have to use longer shutter times with medium format if you your lenses match the full frame equivalent. Remember that at the same ISO, shutter time and aperture, the medium format will have less noise because the larger sensor will gather more light (1/0.79)² times more. Example: If you have a full frame camera with ISO 400 F1.6 1/400s your medium format camera with F2.0 1/400s setting could set ISO to ISO 640 and get the same exposure, depth of field, and noise, given that it's focal length times crop factor also matches the full frame lens

[@maxfreedman5786]

A big thing with film/sensor size is compression to fov is different. This allows for more compression of your shot with a wider fov, like how the 35-70 kit lens has the compression of a 35-70mm lens, but the fov of a 28-55mm. This can be beneficial in a lot of shooting applications, like fashion, landscapes, etc. The biggest problem with current MF digi (which you didn't touch on), is the fact that they're not true medium format yet (aside from the 50k phase one systems).

[@Ni5ei]

@Forty Thanks for taking the time to write such an extensive reply. I appreciate it. I wasn't aware of some of the technical details you're pointing out. But still, I think you'll have to be working as a professional photographer to invest into cameras like these. Less choice in lenses to use, higher prices. Ah well, it's always been like that when shooting on medium format. So basically nothing's changed 😎

[@Ni5ei]

@@maxfreedman5786 I was't even aware that current MF is still not up to analog MF physical size. Will read up on it. Thanks!

[@maxfreedman5786]

@@Ni5ei Yeah it's due to the way sensors are manufactured, and how sony (who makes the sensors) is cheap. Basically a wafer of sensor material is made, and sensors are cut off of it in the shape of the sensor. Due to the way they're made, you have parts of the wafer that aren't within spec, meaning you can't use them. So from a financial perspective, if you can get 1000 aps c sensors, but only like 100 MF sensors, you're not gonna wanna make as many MF sensors. This is why "MF" digital is only 44x33mm usually. I mostly still shoot with a hasselblad 500c and scan using a nikon coolscan, but this new gfx may just get me to swap over.

[@eddiegee2940]

So, the GF50S II suppose to be their cheapest line up of medium format 100mp digital sensor, but this case, 50mp.

[@alexsystems2001]

Dang, although I enjoy my Lumix product, this video being out of focus so much really doesn’t showcase the Lumix very well at all 🤣

[@l67swap1]

Walking around with my one plus 9 pro taking shots like.. ehh this is good enough 😆

[@kirkschwarz]

Awwww. I miss days like these

[@ruperterskin2117]

Cool. Thanks for sharing.

[@Snapit551]

Is the 33mm worth the upgrade?? From 35f2 or 1.4

[@williamaungleyraud]

That depends on your needs, for example if you need WR then yes. I don't think those who absolutely adore their 35mm f1.4 will or should replace it, but adding this 33mm can fit the gap in the scenarios where the 35mm struggles. And for those who don't have the 35mm at all the 33mm is a nice way to start with the updated lenses 😎👍

[@DriveCancelDC]

Fujifilm lenses are too close to full frame pricing and very often more expensive than third party full frame options. I like the design of their cameras but if I'm paying full frame pricing them I'll just buy full frame gear. Also they still haven't stopped using X-Trans.

[@maxfreedman5786]

I think the gfx50sii doesn't use x trans (thank god for lightroom use)

[@williamaungleyraud]

In that case Fuji isn't for you. Nothing wrong with that. There are just too many people complaining about Fuji native lenses prices yet pay Sony natives lenses prices which tend to double comparing to Fuji. 🤔 And there are more third party lens makers coming over to Fuji by the day, so soon enough third party options will be nearly as competitive in terms of numbers. Also, people love to brag on specs and prices, and although these have their own importance, people choose to go with Fuji for the reasons they don't choose to go with Sony or Canon. To those who don't know why they would choose a camera over another it just mean that a certain camera isn't for them. 🤷

[@TechnoBabble]

@@williamaungleyraud "Double". Care to give examples that aren't cherry picked older Zeiss lenses? Cause I have a feeling you're not taking sensor size into account. The Sony 50mm f/1.8 gathers more light on FF than a 33mm f/1.4 on APS-C and only costs $250-300, 1/3 the price of the Fuji lens, while still being quite sharp wide open. Same goes for the Sony 85mm f/1.8 compared to ANY of the Fuji 50-56mm options. Also remember that Fuji f/2.8 zooms need to be compared to f/4 zooms on full frame if you're talking about getting the same results.

[@jon4715]

@@TechnoBabble Why are you penalizing Fuji lenses by a stop? 1.4 is 1.4, 2.8 is 2.8. Are you talking about depth of field? The Fuji lenses are fast, an f/1.4 Fuji lens is still just as fast as an f/1.4 Sony FE lens (not withstanding any minor variation in transmission loss).

[@williamaungleyraud]

@@TechnoBabble when fanboys behave as fanboys 🤦 you are exactly the type of people I'm talking about. There you go comparing your third-party lens to Fuji native 🙈🙉🙊 Sony G master lenses start at $1399 now compare this: Sony fe 35mm f1.4 GM $1398. 00 on Amazon and Fujinon 23mm f1. 4 WR LM $899.95. If you want to compare third-party lenses at least be fair and compare to third-party lenses like the Viltrox 56mm f1.4 is just $329.00. And please get educated a f1.4 lens continues to be f1.4 no matter if you're shooting with full frame or aps-c, comparing sensor sizes has nothing to do with the actual lenses, the fact is the faster aperture lens you have the better it will perform in low light for both full frame and aps-c. Now if you will compare camera bodies this is a whole different conversation. The Op stated the buying Fuji isn't worth because Fuji lenses cost just as much as full frame lenses, and that's where I posted my constructive stand, not a fanboy opinion. And again what matter in the end of the day is the photographer behind the camera, no matter how much money you spend, or how bigger sensor size you got, it alone won't make you a better photographer. Experience, composition, light and style is what makes photographs outstanding and breathtaking. Now let's hope no more fanboys will come here to compare full frame third-party lenses to Fuji native lenses 🤔

[@gillettimages9114]

how does this compare to the Hasselblad X1D II 50C ?

[@CaptainPsychopath69]

My brain is too small for full frame.

[@GunawanWibisono-art]

one question, why reviewers always skip camera strap?. I just worry they drop the cam to the ground🤔

[@MikeLikesChannel]

Kai is kinda known for never using the straps on his videos =)

[@MilesBellas]

GFX 50 low light performance?

[@winwinwin282828]

The lanterns for mid autumn festival ?

[@Readwandx]

But where's Alamby

[@maximumtechchannel]

Drop competition: Kai vs. Linus Tech Tips

[@dontshootphotos3372]

Then there me grooving with my Mamiya 7ii still

[@DynamicPhil84]

With all that resolution and large sized pixels, how the hell does Fuji get away with 1080p video only?? This camera should at least shoot 4K, come on!

[@petelivinlarge]

Who even makes cameras now that top out at 1080p ? This is such a waste of money

[@brianbeattyphotography]

I think it has to do with sensor read out speed. Nothing they can control unless they produced their own sensors

[@snmdair]

Kai if you made a Kai and Lok bobbleheads I would buy one. Just sayin......

[@pixelmixture3067]

You missed the best feature : 65:24 aspect ratio

[@michaelfotoshop]

because it is Mid Autumn Festival !! hahaha ...

[@4L4N.L.]

Support 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@MrWiseinheart]

5:10 you guys got mod pizza in England as well hmm, I thought that was a US thing.

[@ovidijuspocius6336]

Those medium lenses prices are expensive as hell :D x mount for my budget is ok :D

[@nohatemedia3786]

If i had the cash id be goin straight Medium Format 1000%

[@yetanotherbassdude]

I still feel they're missing a trick by not treating full frame the way that full frame manufacturers have treated APS-C. Make a "GCX-40" that just uses an existing 40MP full frame sensor as the "crop" version of their medium format, reusing as much of the existing R&D and manufacturing infrastructure from the GFX line as possible, and then price it somewhere between the X-series and the medium format beasts. Add in a few entry-level G-mount lenses compatible with both sensor sizes and you'd have a gateway into the system that could absolutely drive sales for the medium format bodies in exactly the same way that Canon or Sony's APS-C bodies have done for their full frame flagships.

[@makasii]

too expensive logisitic for an oversaturated (by Sony and Canon) and strongly declining market - you'd need new production lines, new R&D for lenses, marketing, etc...). Their move is very smart (Look at Nikon, they are just skydiving... but their full frame parachutes doesn't slow down the fall... really sad for them, they used to be impressive). rather develop the Medium, and improve the resolution of the APS-C (we'll surely have pleasant surprises with the new sensor next year) :)

[@Leekix]

3:44 I see what you did there.

[@tubularificationed]

The small cropped 44x33mm is essentially full frame, the horizontal crop factor is only 1.2 - which makes it identical to full frame for all intents and purposes. Some (esp. X users) think that even the APS-C-to-FF crop factor of 1.5 would be rather small, but then, 1.2 is really negligible. The body is merely a bait, but the monopoly-overpriced lenses are the locked-in penalty. For a user, this would be a risky investment decision, now that the new Fuji CEO had revealed, that their camera department is not really any important any more to Fuji's company strategy. What we see is only the aftermath of some projects already been started under the reign of the previous CEO, who loved cameras.

[@DriveCancelDC]

"horizontal crop factor only 1.2" this just sounds like a weird way for someone who wants full frame but can't get it for whatever reason to make themselves feel better. Difference between FF and APS-C is 0.5-0.6x, end of.

[@tubularificationed]

@@DriveCancelDC No, the horizontal crop factor is 44mm / 36 mm = 1.2 which is negligible for all intents and purposes. This is essentially the same sensor format. Given that, the "wanna-be medium-format" lenses are way too overpriced, or way too slow for their money. This is where you get really ripped off. Also, if you need best bokeh or most clean low-light images, FF appears to be the (far) superior choice due to the good fast lenses choice (mainstream AF primes from F/1.2 for multiple focal lengths, mainstreams zooms from f/2.8) (not talking about F/2.0 zooms like Sigma's 24-35mm, or those T/2.0 cine zooms).

[@tubularificationed]

I think these times are over. It is too late for digital affordable (but real) medium format to emerge (6x4.5 cm, 6x6 cm, 6xWhatever). There's simply no application for that any longer. Full frame (in particular full frame lenses as well) has become so good by now, and on top of that there's AI software noise removal and resolution quadrupling (from e.g. 60 MP to 240 MP), which is just the beginning of software developments to come (AI is still in its infancy). Sure, if there came a "bigger 6x6 boy" along, then its measurable results would start to reach a little beyond being negligible, but the tangible net BENEFIT yielded to any application, that will be more negligible than ever before in the entire medium format (or larger format) history. Unrelated to that, there's a trend for downsizing gear, which can be observed in how top-of-the-line FF lenses, which are getting smaller and smaller now from generation to generation, to serve this market demand. So being a "bigger" boy would a problem in its own right by now 😉

[@schwoon]

what do you expect? this is a camera for landscape photographers and not for videoguys .... and this makes it great. You don't even buy a SUV from Porsche when you can buy a real Porsche

[@PhilipKaskela]

Porsche's bestseller is an SUV

[@kameratalk2703]

@@PhilipKaskela it’s not the Mass of Cars that are sold, but the class of the cars - and SUVs are the combination of no design and no need - just pure status symbols. If the mass of cars sold, would be the indicator, Toyota would produce the greatest cars on earth.

[@hunglemed]

get an R5 to vlog in focus :D

[@MikeLikesChannel]

I got an X100V... and a 50S II... why even bother with full frame when you can hop over it 🤣

[@alexkcchung]

Kai has a fake tan and Lok acquired the English skin tone

[@fundinkuta7082]

The other guy talks exactly like uncle roger

[@damiancanteros]

Panasonic AF makes me want to skip the video.

[@williamaungleyraud]

Indeed, Panasonic too needs a major autofocus update 👍

[@Daniel_Zalman]

Kai, consider an intro theme and graphic, a la....DRTV.

[@Daniel_Zalman]

1:29 That's what she said.

[@Maxime-ho9iv]

For one second I thought it was a 35 1.4 for the GFX50S and I was super hyped.. but no it's just a stupid apsc lens..

[@fahdmoh8424]

Nice. Keep it up

[@kaczynski2333]

I haven't seen any reason to buy this over the A7R V

[@daysandwords]

IQ. There are pixel peeping reviews on YT that show a very obvious micro-contrast difference as well as just sharpness. Sure, the A7 offers a bunch of features etc etc., but that's always the way with anything high end. You get less "stuff" but what it does well, it does very very well.

[@Daniel_Zalman]

6:57 That's what she said, as well.

[@SRC1711]

Oxford English vs Chinese English? Reminds me of Russell Peters😄

[@HoodyKid100]

How big is the sensor chaps?

[@maxfreedman5786]

44x33mm, so still not true MF like film

[@kevinkostolo6949]

My cameras have sensor chips. Are sensor chaps for rodeo work?

[@HoodyKid100]

@@kevinkostolo6949 *how big is the sensor, chaps?

[@fthprodphoto-video5357]

Nice but it still carries the same 10 year old cmos sensor...

[@KholisVirologist]

Login.

[@Daniel_Zalman]

Kai has become too civilized. Bring back the sarcastic Kai who took photos of trolley ladies.

[@twoblink]

How can Kai just have no strap and just handle a camera like that...

[@acrapid7845]

Nice promotion of Fuji))).

[@flyingzucchinis]

I have no idea why you would use this for street.

[@grincadorna4753]

Mega pickles is real

[@RobertoLicardie]

Step one: get 6k. Got it

[@Axonteer]

whos Wohn Ju ?

[@jasonf3959]

I've been a long time viewer like many drtv fans. I know it has been great seeing Kai and Lok together again. However, I wanted to express some criticism about the direction they are going. Lok is beginning sound more like Kai, ie his increase in sillyness. At the same time, Kai is sounding more like Lok, ie. He is trying to be more serious. What ends up happening, there is a lot less contrast between the two. In their younger days, the contrast between their personalities was their asset. Kai pushed Lok to be more creative. And Lok made sure Kai stays grounded. In their more recent videos, Lok and Kai spend most of the time agreeing with each other. This is made worse when these two need to navigate two different channels that are so similar with overlapping content. it was difficult to watch both videos on the rc car pov, wireless video receiver video. I think more contrast in the onscreen personalities is needed for their channels to grow. And maybe some way to distinguish the two channels.