The Truth of Medium Format (vs Full Frame) It's not what you think..

[@sebastiang7183]

For the 16 bit color remember that you are looking at it at best on a 10 bit monitor which is your biggest limitation. Put it to paper in a quality lab.

[@Double_Up_Studios]

So true

[@ivaniliev2272]

But more colours means more room for adjustments, other than that I am happy even with 8 bit image quality as a final on screen image, with some exceptions in sky gradients.

[@bene_eins1308]

Thats even more of a limitation. Even a high end printer doesnt come close to the possibilities of digital displays. The Canon ProGraf hast the ability for about 100.000 to 1.000.000 halftones. A 10bit Display has 1000 times more colours.

[@photographiezautrement]

I think you are confusing the colors displayed in the end and the CHOICE of colors at the time of shooting and post-processing. It's a bit like if - being able to display only 256 different colors on a drawing for example - you declared that a box of 2500 pencils would have no advantage over a box of 300 pencils to make your drawing. 16 bits is largely superior to 14 bits by definition, because the "color palette" allows a wider choice of shades, and therefore a more natural final result (in 8 or 10 bits). I work every day on a Medium Format in native 16 bits (Hasselblad H5D-60 with "MF Full Frame 4.5x6 » CCD sensor) and I can assure you that for the restitution of flesh tones, I have not found anything equivalent.

[@iseewood]

I think we’re starting to reach the point of diminishing returns. Paying more for smaller increments of improvement. Having said that, the GFX is an amazing piece of tech and I’m glad Fuji entered the Medium Format space to continue pushing technology and innovation in photography.

[@RaistlinMaj]

Being shooting the gfx for years and I 100% agree with you. Images are better but you pay in weight and features. I use it because I work 100% in studio and slow pace shots. In any other situation, I would go with FF.

[@ivo919]

Any other situation? Also for landscape? I don't think so...

[@summonedfist]

@@ivo919 I think they mean if they had to hike or backpack to a landscape they would probably choose a camera with a smaller footprint?

[@ryanclouse299]

I've seen quite a few landscape photographers use the gfx100s

[@anadrol9934]

@@ryanclouse299 The huge problem is that ultra wide lenses are not available for the GFX system, whereas there is even a 9mm FF lens from Laowa.

[@friendofarca6550]

@@anadrol9934 but gf 20-35 outperforms everything on the Sony side

[@stonecult]

In Full Frame vs Medium Format I think it can be best summed up as the more you can control the environment of the shot, the better Medium Format can perform in comparison to Full frame when all else is relatively equal. I feel like Medium Format leans towards "creating" the perfect shot where Full Frame is more able to "capture" the perfect shot.

[@JamesSmith-uw1vj]

You are right. The average person doesn’t look at an image like a photographer does. Shoot to move the “heart” and all else will follow.

[@ourtexasfamilyvideos62]

Or as old school photographer Dean Collings said "Beauty is in the eye of the check book holder".

[@wanton1234]

my phone shoots great pics.....

[@OmarRamosPhotography]

I have been shooting with the Fuji 50sii for about a year now and I just love this camera. I still have my Sony's for most of my run and gun corporate work but the color rendition and filmatic look that I get from the Fuji is not matched by Sony. The autofocus sucks compare to the Sony, but sometimes the images that you get with Sony cameras are too digital looking. If you want to slow your pace down and focus on the art of photography I truly enjoy shooting the Fuji over Sony's.

[@blackentrepreneur244]

I agree. I just brought a Fuji XT5 and love this camera images. I haven't picked up my Sony a6400 for photos since.

[@SteveShootsFilm]

100% agree

[@Caracalaba]

to me all the digital current sensors that I've seen look very digital looking, none have any filmatic look (imho). Any old digital FF camera blows it away, If I want some of that filmic look on digital (in my case I'd grab my old 5Dii + zeiss 50 1.4) but many other will do: 5d, d700, d3...

[@LeopoldoManuelRamirezMena]

I shoot apsc and ff, and y have an analog mf and even an analog 8x10", the bigger the medium the heavier,bulkier and less portable the camera... so, it all comes down to what do you need for doing photos of what ...and where! I also use mi phone hahaha😊 ...being cruel and honest, for editing you need a special monitor and gpu capable of displaying all those bits of color most laptops don't go beyond 6-8 bpc 😢 and mid range monitors go from 8-10bpc... still far from cameras.

[@AllCarsUnited]

I think the reason for these " digital looks" are the size of the small pixels. I know this is going to sound weird but my 12mp sensor images look less digital than my 42 megapixel camera.

[@eavesphoto]

I’m a full-time Digital Tech in Chicago, I agree with some of the information that you’re seeing in your video. Being a photographer is like being a Carpenter. You pick the hammer that you need for the job. Depending on how the photographer shoots (Lifestyle, people, table top) that will determine the type of camera you get. Shooting with the medium format, phase XF system 100 -150 MP is a slower and more methodical way of shooting. On the other hand, the GFX system is a happy medium between medium format and shooting with a Mirrorless system. Here is a example from a job last summer. We were shooting the GFX 100 and the Sony around 5000 ISO for a setup at night. The photographer was shooting stills while they were filming the commercial at 9pm inside of a large camping’s tent. The DP wanted LED lights mimicking a lantern between 3 young girls camping. I was pleasantly surprised when using capture one (NOT Lightroom) how good the files looked in the shadow detail held in the uncompress Raw file. I zoomed in on one of the talents faces that was about 50% of the frame and I could see that she was lit a little under exposed. I could see the eyelashes and see that her pupils are dilated. The Sony files were OK, nothing to write home to mom about,the shadows are blocking up. But this photographer had worked extensively with a GFX 100 system so he knew the equipment and the software (Capture One)limitations. I’m very glad that most photographers actually rent a Med Format from Doddcamera.com or Lens Rentals.com. or Borrow Lenses.com Don’t go out and buy something cold turkey without renting it first. Pretty much how Manny did his side-by-side with his shooting style. Renting something over a holiday weekend may/may not get you an extra free day of Rental to play with the equipment that you want to consider purchasing or rent for a job. disclaimer: I’m a Fuji shooter and 99% of my jobs. Photographers want to use Capture One for every Professional job that I am a Digital tech on.

[@blueridge8992]

Man those SOOC images from the GFX look like they were taken with my Canon 35mm DSLR from the 90’s. Absolutely gorgeous.

[@blueridge8992]

And the Sony images look like they came from any Sony FF camera since the A7II lol.

[@sols9449]

There is something you are missing here. Look at all the side by sides again. While the 110 is an 85 field of view it still has the compression of a 110! In every side by side you can see the background compression way nicer more compressed. That’s the medium format look! If you are on an 80 and it’s like 50mm equivalent you still get the compression of an 80 if you’re standing in the same exact spot. Because it’s not a 50 it’s actually an 80 but gives you a less field of view. That’s the medium format look and it makes things more three dimensional. As far as the 16 bit colors that you will see in editing latitude not sooc.

[@NazirAzhari]

My last 3 assignments I have been using GFX100s and I once used the big GFX100 last year. The weight and the slow camera speed really meant for portraits and landscapes.

[@AllgoodthingsTv]

Photography has plateaued in terms of technical capabilities. If you have to punch into 200% to strain to see the most subtle distinctions, the point is moot because no one is doing that. Now, more than ever, media is being consumed at the speed of light. Back in the 90s or aughts, a photo like the one at 7:07, across two magazine pages, might have caught people's attention. But now, ppl scroll right past something like that on Insta in 5 seconds (if even that!) I liked what I saw with the Fuji GFX 100s here, but even with the Hasselblad $45,000 digital backs, I doubt if your average person would notice any difference from a Canon R5 in the way most media is consumed today, which is on cell phone. I will say that the one exception is lenses. Those $50,000 lenses major productions are using to shoot big budget movies still probably make a difference.

[@rolosaenz]

Agree, "Those $50,000 lenses major productions are using to shoot big budget movies still probably make a difference." Cause you are in front of a 16 feet wide by 9 feet high or 20 feet wide by 12 feet high screen , the highest resolution optics and lens are a must.

[@rockmusicvideoreviewer896]

It has not plateaued. Human eye can see 20 stops of dynamic range. Cameras still have a lot of room for improvement.

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

I agree, and you're right about lenses for movies. Anamorphic lenses specifically with a 2x squeeze or beyond have a visibly different look, and all cost 10,000 or more for the real deal. But I also believe HDR will be important in the future, as display technology advancing will allow for finally dynamic range to matter beyond the ability to edit. Itll matter in end delivery. But that will take some time, and ultimately it'll be displays leading the charge more than the actual cameras, but it will allow us to use the cameras more fully.

[@SuLu_B]

I've been saying this! I stepped out of the photography game to focus on learning and mastering videography, but when I came back and bought another photography camera, I was blown away for two reasons: 1) the autofocus is SO good 2) the raw images didn't look THAT much better than a 9 year old Nikon D750... there was a difference but the actual image quality was very close.

[@stevemuzak8526]

@@rockmusicvideoreviewer896 That's why we have HDR option in the cameras. HDR is more that 20 stops.

[@irutgers]

I do really love the skin tones from the Fuji over the Sony…wow ❤. What you are demonstrating is portrait photography, but would love to see a comparison with landscape, fine art etc

[@anthonytriana4209]

Outro: This video is only meant to shine light and not throw shade. Find what works best for you to flourish and thrive. Never stop learning because photography is always a work in progress. Beautiful work. Thoughtful content. Humble man. Keep up the great work, Manny!

[@ks_portraits]

Same thing can be said about full frame vs crop sensors. Nowadays there are really no major differences but the perceived thought is that there is. Well there is the lack of super fast lenses but that's slowly starting to change. I've seen many KZbinr's full frame vs crop sensor videos and the photos all come out looking the same, where you can't tell the difference unless you're told which is which.

[@mariusgodeanu5069]

One could argue that there is a BIGGER difference between DX and FF in terms of ISO performance than the FF vs MF. Truth be told, there has been A LOT more R&D in the FX/DX field than the MF space. That's where the money is so they pushed these "smaller" formats as far as they go, whereas MF is only a niche field. Anyway true medium format means H-series from Hasselblad and Phase One, and even THOSE are smaller formats than the smallest film medium-format :)

[@Smoothblue90]

Two problems. The lack of pro level crop lenses. And. Crop bodies often don't have the same buttons and settings available. What's the point of buying a smaller Sony a6600 to then mount on the exact same 70 to 200 2.8 lens and then not have the performance of an A7S or A9?

[@thisistimmy]

There’s still a noticeable difference in high ISO performance. Also, a high end APS-C body comes close to a FF body and at that point, it’s like might as well go FF. More lens selection and I don’t need to do math to figure out the FF equivalent 🤷‍♂️

[@visionz_n_media]

I agree KS. I have majority full frame mirrorless bodies, but when you have enough experience with crop sensor bodies, you can replicate a similar image. Ive been using my fujifilm X-H2 a lot more lately. The images I can get from it are just as good as my Sony and Nikon full frame cameras, but with a welcomed weight reduction. I don’t shoot a lot of poorly lit portraits regardless of me using FF or DX, so ISO performance has never been an issue for me. I think most ppl just run with the popular narratives instead of just getting out there and trying for themselves.

[@hunterhart1]

I shot with the Leica Q for years and switched to fujifilm XPro 3 and everyone still thinks I’m shooting a Leica. It’s hard to tell the difference if you’re not a photographer that shoots wide open. And even then it’s tough.

[@room007]

Skin tone difference is night and day.There's so much complexity there in the Fuji shots. It shifts from the warm yellows to violet tones to magenta. It renders the reflective complexity of the skin so much better. The Sony is way more uniformous in the way it interprets skin tones. Which can be good or bad. In portraiture a more simple rendition can be beneficial. But if you're looking for the absolute most light information, MF is probably gonna be it.

[@room007]

If you look at the picture at 1.05 . Under the chin you have almost the same yellow reddish tone in both pics, a bit more saturated in the sony one. But as you move down to the chest area, where the light hits more perpendicular, the sony gives you a brighter tone of the same color, while the fuji shifts to a colder more blueish lemony hue. And you get this variability all over the skin. There's just so much more color resolutiuon there.

[@AllCarsUnited]

Though it is far from accurate. I have yet to see someone outdoors with fluctuating color temperatures and hues in their skin from head to neck. The way her face looked white towards the center of the face is so unnatural looking. Is it stylized sure, but that's not reality.

[@SummersSnaps]

I shoot (baby) MF, FF and APS-C. What I will say is this. With MF there is a 'look' that the other two can struggle to replicate at times, BUT... to derive that look you need to play to the strengths of the MF sensor which actually is not to shoot wide open and seek thin DoF/bokehilcious. If all your experience thus far in your comparisons are as shallow DoF as possible (like you show above).. then yeh the differences are slim to none in seeing 'a different look'. Where I feel differences are felt the most is when you actually stop down the medium format camera. There exists this space, depth and breadth in the image between your subject and environment (which you haven't blown to smithereens with bokeh) that APS-C definitely struggles to replicate (even with f0.85 glass) or FF glass at an equivalent aperture. It's an 'environmental' portrait look, the buildings behind, windows, clearly defined with context, yet the image does not feel flat like it can do with APS-C and FF and instead this breathing room seems to exist. You have to get everything dialed in, the right lens, distance to subject, subject distance to backdrop etc, it might be f4 on MF and f2.8 on FF, something that stives to get about the same DoF or bokeh amount, but when you manage it and the two images look similar... the MF will have more space and life about it. And also of course those f11 or f13 studio headshots, try some of those. Basically in summary I have never felt the shallow DoF or bokeh was a strength of MF, and if all your comparisons are based around such styles then definitely its hard to see a difference with todays fast FF primes. The smaller the sensor the more flatter things feel at certain apertures. MF feels spacious but you'll only experience that under the right circumstances.

[@RossHa1e]

For me the biggest take away is that every camera has a purpose. And if you use the camera to it's ideal use case then you will get the images you want. From my perspective the Sony is 100% the better camera for you and what you shoot. For me on the other hand I shoot product photography in a studio where a camera like the Fuji would make getting the finer details easier. It's okay that medium format isn't for you, and I think if people watch this with an open mind then they can decide whether this camera will actually work for them or not.

[@DeeRosa]

Manny is there a reason you didn’t go for the 80? Or try a wide angle lens? I feel like something people misinterpret about MF is that it has to be shot like a FF camera and I think if you tried wide environment portraits and also the 80mm then reviewed your prints you’d be wildly surprised at how VAST a difference there is.

[@EddyTheChump]

When people talk about sensor or negative size impacting depth of field, a crucial detail they miss out on is that it's not a 1:1 comparison. If you put a 35mm (focal length) equivalent lens on a camera with a 6x7 negative vs an actual 35mm lens on a 35mm negative, the 6x7 shot would have significantly shallower depth of field at the same aperture and field of view. There are no digital sensors that big. The "medium format look" comes from different DoF at comparable field of view and the visual impact of that is greatly diminished when the sensors are actually really close in size and aspect ratio (like FF Sony and Fuji GFX). Even the largest digital sensors are only like 645 negatives and to be fair, you would start to see a real difference there, but what do you know, that's what you have to pay $20K and up for. Don't sleep on 16bit colour though, if you're shooting for a magazine or a big campaign and your images area going to be retouched by elite level techs, they'll wish you shot everything in 16bit

[@michaelfarkas50]

Next video will be titled “Why I Gave Up Full Frame for Medium Format”. That chat at the end, that full frame is pretty much all you need, is what I usually tell myself when a new lens with 1.4 or 1.2 aperture is announced. “I don’t need it. My f1.8 or f2.0 is pretty much there.” That conversation in my own mind happens about a week before I get the new lens with the bigger aperture 😂

[@vishkumar]

😄

[@ryanclouse299]

Too relatable lol

[@charlesjames9783]

Before you get it it’s not your norm. After you get it you see all of the reasons why it costs more. The old adage is still true. You get what you pay for. If you can’t see the difference who cares. If you can and are anal like me it will drive you crazy once you can see the difference!

[@artmaltman]

In Manny’s examples the Fuji had VASTLY superior skin tones. Massive diff.

[@Yupthereitism]

That’s fixed so easily in post with a click or two

[@mimoreque1805]

Beautiful organic focus gradients, and pleasing colors, but 90% of the clients won't see a difference. Thanks for the video Manny!

[@nathangregory9824]

I see the difference more in my prints. On the screen , I agree with you for the most part. Though it does seem I can push the raw files more with the gfx100s. Low light and high iso I get way better results also.

[@SimeonKolev]

1st - turn off that electronic first curtain :D 2nd - go test out the PhaseOne Trichromatic 100mp ;) than compare colors and dynamic range.

[@KEHA14]

I have been so curious about full frame and how it compared to full frame. This video was awesome I hope you do more comparisons with type of gear!

[@akhyarrayhka4048]

i wish ultra ultra wide angle lens are more popular like 9mm, imagine seeing photographers using 9mm lens, I'm gonna shoot this 9 mill gonna have a whole lot of different meaning

[@petrpohnan875]

The really great asset of the GFX is that using an adapter you can throw fabulous Sigma Art primes on it. They are intended for FF but their image circle can comfortably cover 44x33mm sensor as well. Lenses like 40/1.4 or 105/1.4 do give the GFX another level of rendering, separation for very reasonable prices (considering the Fuji MF lenses). It is awesome!

[@petemay4373]

Great comments, Manny. I shoot both Sony and Fujifilm, and love both systems, but each has it’s own use case. I agree for studio or landscape, the Fuji is a fantastic tool - that resolution and dynamic range are incredible- but for run and gun the Sony is the much better choice. One thing about the user experience that I’ve noticed…the Sony feels a bit like a computer with a lens attached, whereas the Fuji feels more organic, almost an analog shooting experience. But again, both systems are wonderful tools that can create superior images.

[@LuisGabrielPhotography]

I think the issues are that FF difference vs MF are much smaller in terms of IQ than from FF to smaller formats. For example the DOF advantage of MF is actually the opposite since FF offers faster lenses. And then you have FF bodies with far superior features like AF way above any MF. good video

[@peerlessportraits]

I think it all comes down to knowing. Meaning, if you KNOW you get smoother tones and gradients then what are you going to do with that knowledge. That's different than, say, a business decision where you don't think the client will notice and you have to decide if it's worth it. Olympic races are measured differently than a high school track meet and there's a reason for it. Diminishing returns are a very real concept, but with that said "it's lonely at the top" in terms of ability and in terms of knowledge. So, I guess when deciding if medium format is worth it personally, it depends on where you see yourself in terms of the high school/olympian comparison. And also if it's in your price range. "Your" refers to any reader, not necessarily the producer of the video.

[@davidligon6088]

I’m wondering if you would come to the same conclusion doing landscapes and architecture instead of portraits.

[@ivo919]

Good point

[@user-2fkheS6COV1UKE6]

Hasselblad is a king here, but for landscape photography you don't need an autofocus.

[@photographiezautrement]

Where the conclusion would be different is by using much more closed diaphragms. I don't really understand how we can realize the performance of lenses in the background (where the MF is much superior to the 24x36) if we "erase" the background with this horrible blur devoid of resolving power (since if the lens no longer displays details in the blur, it is because we are well beyond its optimal operating zone) I know that it is very fashionable, this mania of making a sharp character "stuck" on a blurred background. But it does not do justice to the lenses. I work for major cosmetic brands (Redken for example) and I can assure you that these photos with a collage effect would never be accepted. It probably works for Instagram, but not for B2B professionnal images of the "cosmetics" type for example. For using MF every day (Hasselblad H5D-60) I can assure you that these portraits are NOT representative of what an MF can do in portrait. And even for a small sensor MF like this Fuji you can get much better results by using the optics to its full potential If you really want to see what the optics give, shoot at ƒ/5.6, ƒ/8 or ƒ/11 in portrait outdoors or in the studio (I use both)

[@ritterklaus]

Hi Manny, I was a Nikon guy for many years using FX full frame, about a year ago I purchased the 100s. Manny, I still use my Nikons but after working with the 100s for a while I found the clean-up on so-so shots are much easier and cleaner.

[@andrefelixstudio2833]

If you really want to see a change in your images use a Hasselblad shoot film and have it scanned you’ll be stunned ! Use a 150mm lens!

[@PhotoKitchen425]

I don't think you a radical difference in the color until you do something like a landscape shot, with the radial gradation of color in a sunset or sunrise.

[@marike1100]

Exactly, which is why so many top landscape, portraitists and studio photographers shoot medium format. A handheld outdoor street portrait is hardly a definitive test where we can claim to have uncovered “the truth about medium format”. Lol.

[@nitni0002]

When medium format used to mean 6cm x 7cm vs 2.4cm x 3.6cm, there was a big difference. Nowadays medium format sensors are closer to 3.3cm x 4.4cm, I don't think there's much difference compared to full frame.

[@tedtedsen269]

remember a small difference can mean a lot to a photographer, the different doesn't have to be big

[@ALWH1314]

I shoot Hasselblad, Leica and Sony. Bringing Hasselblad to beach at dawn capture the sunrise, the prep, the framing, the slow down pace is a magical experience. It may not be technically much better in image but it’s satisfying to my soul. I love my A7R V too, the autofocus is great, the flexible screen is convenient but it excites me instead of relaxing me like Hasselblad. Occasionally I do street shooting, 100% people let me use Hasselblad to photograph them, Sony on the other hand is about 60%, even though Sony does better job focusing.

[@eliasali9383]

ttartisan 90mm f1.25 on that gfx is out of this world

[@AdilSher786]

I think you should have used a wider lens to compare both formats ( say a 50mm for meduim forrmat and 35mm full frame).. As larger sensor allows you to get close to the subject without the distortion you would see with an APSC or a full frame.

[@77dris]

Guys who lift weights to impress girls don't realize that the only people who notice or care are other dudes - for the most part girls don't care. Photographers who use medium format cameras now to impress clients and viewers with image quality don't realize the only people who notice or care are other photographers - for the most part the average person/client can't tell the difference (even most photographers can't tell the difference unless you do a side by side comparison viewed at 100%). The current disadvantages of MF outweigh the advantages.

[@ralphmwhite3]

Probably the best comparison is between medium format and full-frame on film, because the different designs of sensors keep the comparisons from being apples to oranges. Also, film medium format is so much larger than full-frame that if there’s a difference, it will be more dramatic.

[@anttiranki3690]

Depends entirely what you are shooting. For Manny, full frame is the place to be. For a studio photographer, someone reproducing artworks, etc. medium format is the choice. Different tools for different jobs. I use hasselblad and sony both.

[@kennyacid]

I shoot with the Pentax 6x7 and you can really see difference compared to a full frame camera. It’s a snail but my oh my the images you can get

[@michaelscott1778]

Manny, when I was video taping weddings back in the 80s ,90s early 2000s, if a photographer shot with a Hasselblad, he was given great respect. If you do Hasselblad I would say don't use one of thier lower priced ones.

[@fabipuello]

Great video Many, my two cents are, the a7rv is one of the best that full frame has to offer, the Gfx not so much(some purists might say that it's not a real medium format)it would be interesting to see the A1 vs the best Hasselblad or phase one.

[@dwightsbeetfarms3611]

A1 is worse than a7rV in terms of image quality.

[@PeteCocoPhoto]

Great video Manny. As you mentioned, it really depends on context. Sure, the medium format is better, but is that slight difference in quality worth the much bulkier and slower system? Probably not for most shooters outside of those who are in a completely controlled studio environment. And once you've experienced the performance of a FF Sony or Canon, it's hard to go back, especially regarding autofocus speed and accuracy.

[@jaychow94]

It’s not a slight difference in quality though, it’s far better on the GFX

[@DeletedDelusion]

@@jaychow94 I just watched this video in 4k and saw the images side by side. The difference seems marginal. I would even say that it is difficult to tell them apart in a double blind test, especially if they aren't side by side.

[@jaychow94]

@@DeletedDelusion You can't just go by two images presented on a youtube video. As someone who has worked with both extensively, there is a difference. The same difference that you see when you compare FF to APS-C. I'm not saying that full frame is bad in comparison, just different. For slower things like portraits, I much prefer the look and handling of the GFX files. For fast paced action like sports shoots, I would completely avoid the GFX and use the Canon R5 which is an incredible camera.

[@Yupthereitism]

@@jaychow94it’s really not, I love owned both

[@jaychow94]

I use both commercially. The GFX has better image quality, the Canon is better at everything else. @@Yupthereitism

[@vedadrokkor]

Internet needs this video. I got the GFX 50s II and compared it to Sony A7 III with same Canon FD lenses. Sold the Fuji after 2 months. More money, weight, slow lenses...all that for 5% difference. Fuji is good if you want a crop compact camera with film simulation.

[@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy]

If you want fast, flexible, and easy to carry, then get full frame. I have APS-C with a full suite of lenses, Nikon Full frame digital and film, a full Medium format GFX digital system and medium format film, but the camera I always grab what I want to produce an image I'm going to sell, is my Fuji GFX system. I just got that GF110mm lens too. It's incredible. Only things I use another camera for are video, macros, and long tele shots. The dynamic range, color, and detail are just so superior on the GFX. My favorite thing are the completely recoverable shadows. Definitely not needed though to make a living. Sometimes I wish I had a Nikon Z8 system, or a Canon R5 setup too, but at some point I've just got to stop and focus more on creating artwork with all this gear. Anything used well is better than the best gear just sitting on a shelf.

[@rafanaluzie2062]

For me this GFX look is different and worth the price. I'm Sony user but if I had a chance to change it I would do it. If you want to have this fashion/cinematic look, medium format with better DR is everything.

[@carlopapagno7298]

If you don't shoot sports and bird life, high end ff makes no sense. I had A7r4 and use A7r5, 100s always wins. Sharpness, ergonomics, stabilization, color science, jpg in camera, menu, noise, vibration, low iso file, high iso file, 100s wins hands down. Manny made the mistake of using the 100s for two hours and came to the wrong conclusion. However the 100s is not an all around camera. For the photos that Manny takes, GFX 100s for life! I am convinced that the reference is still the full frame but without exceeding the cost of 2/3000 euros. Besides, better GFX. This is my opinion as an owner of both cameras for years. Sorry google translator. 😊

[@KoenKooi]

It’s still hilarious to me that sensors significantly smaller than 6x4.5 are considered medium format nowadays. (being very envious here)

[@ivo919]

Should't medium format only be 6x7cm? I would never buy a 6x4.5 camera...

[@KoenKooi]

@@ivo919 my experience is with 120 film, my Yashica takes square pictures, 6x6 and the pinhole cam does 6x12. So as long as one side is 6cm I’m fine with calling it MF :)

[@pwolkowicki]

People think that medium format is superior. They also think that FF is superior over APS-C. But differences are often negligible.

[@thesamuelnam]

You have hands down the best outtro. Genuine awkwardness. So good 😂

[@piotrgorajek1289]

Everything you said relates to APSC vs FF comparison too. I just did exactly same test myself and can see much more difference between medium and a FF than FF and APSC.

[@markwayne8502]

Shot Sony A7R4 for years and recently switched to Fujifilm GFX 50Sii and I miss the AF and speed of the Sony, but the IQ from Fujifilm is superb! Glad I switched.

[@cbphoto87]

If you want to notice a big color difference try a Hasselblad. That was the biggest difference I immediately noticed going from full frame.

[@lol-di3tf]

I switched from Sony to Fuji GFX100S just because of the image quality. The sensor size already beats FF sensor when I used it in real life and I never look back. You wont gonna notice the quality difference because you have a poor quality of display which is quite possible, looking images from smartphone which is impossible to compare between MF and FF, and not using pro software to check. If you dont have a proper device with MF and FF RAW files in person, you can not tell the difference. Clearly, GFX is much better even if Sony uses GM lenses on A7R5 and that's why I ditched Sony. You cant tell the image quality from KZbin which is limited by 4K or even 8K. GFX100S is 100mp while 8k is more like 32mp. For DOF, No, medium format isn't that great. Yes, FF lenses have more fast lenses but medium format doesn't really outperform FF. They just equal. Sony has way better AF system while GFX sucks at it. But if you are a professional photographer, you probably need to know how to use a slow camera anyway. Not a big deal.

[@michaelkhalsa]

To me the skin tones looked more natural with the GFX100s, except at 2:22 where the sony looks better. However, to be fair, i would match the white point and color in post (not straight out of camera). The sony looks warmer with more saturation and a different gamma. Look at the white singlet when side by side. Of course, there is only so much we can see once compressed for you tube. I imagine that one of the reasons someone would go with say the Hassy is predictability in the color science and the excelent lenses, as much as the fact that it is medium format?

[@1HDBIZ]

You should watch some of Carl Taylor's videos. His results with a Medium Format look amazing, even on KZbin.

[@oliverlison]

This is a very good comparison between two formats. For me the GFX is a bloated FF-system. And here is why: The 15 stops of dynamic range may only be important if you do photoshop heavily. Most cameras have a recorded output of around 12isch. The lenses have a dynamic range too. Not all lenses perform equally at all frequencies. If you like bokeh, then FF is the better system and more affordable. I am not sure if the GFX50 is better since the photocells should be larger. I would rather consider a real MF system such as the Hasselblad H6D-100c or the Phase One System. Speaking of dynamic range and the recorded 16bits. Hasselblad was recording 16Bits with their 50MP senor but only 14Bits were processed. Going down the line, how many bits can your monitor represent? 6, 8 or 10? 8-bit+FRC or not? In the end an image is getting diluted a fair bit before you can see it.

[@nationalzero269]

The photos out of my Hasselblad X1D are mind-blowing on a 5K monitor. Unfortunately, most people will never view the photos on a 5K monitor.

[@vishkumar]

I used A7R2 and A7R3 for years and I finally moved to Fuji XT4 and now rocking Fuji XH2. Every Sony image you showed has the same green and yellow tones on Skin which I hated on my previous Sony cameras. It looks like after all these iterations, Sony still SUCKS on Skin tones. Fuji has the best natural even skin tones. I always had to correct the skin tones on Sony but on Fuji I do not have to correct them at all.

[@manuelilic9195]

I assume, that you adress the portrait photography area; in this case, the Sony and the proper glass will be better. I use the GFX 50s I for landscape photography and I see a big difference, because the image looks more plastic, like 3 dimensional and of course it depends what you are shooting. If you shoot a wall, there will be no difference.

[@jamesspicewilliams8835]

Every point you made is spot on. I’m shooting the Z8 and I’ve made the same observation.

[@samgao]

a lot of people will be confused and not really understand what FOV (field of view) translates to in real world application. You only want to step up to a Medium Format if you know it'll get you that extra frame coverage at a given focal length ("zoom" -- 35mm, 50mm, 85mm, etc.) at a particular exposure setting (big aperture for that shallow depth of field). The reason why it's "shallower" is because now you have more frame coverage. So if your subject is 75% in the frame, and everything else is out of focus (bokeh), a medium format will give you the same image but now your subject is 25% in the frame, 75% of the elements is out of focus. Granted, the digital projection onto the rear LCD doesn't really show this, when I shot film, that's exactly how it came out to be. The best way to do this is to equalize the lens and the exposure setting at the same exact spot with the same exact subject.

[@bizpixvegas7651]

I shoot with an A7RIV and chose it over medium format because of all the advantages you are talking about. Although I shoot landscapes mostly and can use the additional resolution, I feel with 60MP sensor, I have plenty of resolution to work with.. Another important consideration is aspect ratio. If I turn a 4:3 medium format into a 2:3 FF sensor orientation, I have to crop away. Then I lose some of the resolution advantage. Most of my landscapes are 2:3 and stitched panos.

[@rebirthtreatmentcenter]

Are you looking for a trademark out ro for your videos? Just to keep it consistent. You can just say. “See in the next one” or “keep shooting, have fun, and thanks for watching” I don’t think any of us care about the outro. Just keep making great content. Thanks Manny. Always love your videos.

[@MikeLikesChannel]

Most of the people who downplay medium format digital, *have never tried it* and want to justify their A7, which is perfectly fine. I do a lot of still life and landscapes. Medium format *always* wins when you compare back-to-back to full frame. On their own, you'd never spot it.

[@thegorn]

Are we just going to sit here and ignore the fact that the Sony skin tones looked yellow?

[@sharrieflentz1035]

First thing I noticed

[@sharrieflentz1035]

First thing I noticed was the harsh color reproduction

[@VinhNguyen-dv9zr]

Yeah. The skin tones from Sony is too yellow, skin tones from Fuji is magenta so her skin look at bit like dead skin. I'm an Asian, so I'm not gonna pick any of these camera. Because all my customers are Asian, their skin tone already yellow. If I shoot on Sony, they not gonna love it. That's why in my country, Canon cameras are the best. So it's really depend on who are yours customer. Western people, African people, Indian, Asian we all have different skin colours. So some camera that's work for you, don't work for me.

[@Yupthereitism]

They really don’t anymore

[@SilverHalides]

I noticed that difference in colour too. What would happen if you created a colour profile for the A7R V, say with a ColorChecker Passport and applied it? Would that make the skin tones look more neutral?

[@jesters16]

Always great videos. I agree Medium format for commercial work but for most work full frame will get the job done.

[@davidlarosa5374]

There's a huge difference. I had a pentax 645d. The pictures were more than amazing. I got so many good comments! Wish I still had it!!!!!

[@5stopphotography]

100% agree on the benefits of both sides but the Sony Pictures are kinda digital and crunchy vs the GFX smooth and vibrant with natural skin tones. Great video 👍👍👍

[@ZackCrain]

I don't know this any difference except the color is warmer but that's something you can very easily change

[@DCAMM720]

Medium format does have a certain look vs. full frame that a trained eye can see. Majority of people won't, though. Prints also have a different quality in medium vs. full. I like using medium format whenever possible but it just can't capture movement well enough for me.

[@chrisreist]

What nobody talk about is how much more information you get from the gfx to play with. and honestly the light room dont give you the full potential of the gfx out. you can never push a fullframe camera like this. thats what i learn from the year. But your right for every jop the right tool. this is more important:)

[@beyondthecutworldwide1]

If not Lightroom, what's your favourite tool for developping your raws?

[@chrisreist]

capture one :)@@beyondthecutworldwide1

[@intothebeyond8763]

I see someone has caught the synthwave bug. Also if you shoot with a Phase One or a Hasselblad it would make more of a difference cuz their sensors are bigger and have more color depth.

[@ThreeCeeProductions]

For studio work I’d rather have the Fuji. The colors are much better IMHO. Also the micro contrast is what adds that special, hard to explain look. Why people like Leica and Hasselblad. For sports and wildlife I’d chose FF. Pros need differentiation and MF gives that if you make your living with the gear.

[@SDA-Sound]

Appreciate your honesty! I am so torn between the A7RV and the GFX 100 ii or S ii, just seems like Fuji is forcing me to buy a Sony. In my opinion those Fuji photos are waaaaay better ❤️

[@aaronm5149]

Great Video! Appreciate the perspective

[@Meth0z]

dang.. idk about you guys but to me it was incredibly obvious the difference in color when comparing them side by side.. all the medium format photos had a much smoother transition from color to color than the full frame photos.. but.. that was just because i was comparing the 2 next to each other.. if i was to look at pictures separately, i probably wouldn't be able to tell if it was medium format or full frame.. specially on a tiny screen.. just like is hard to tell between crop sensor and full frame images if they're not next to each other.. but you still know that full frame photos are just better..

[@loudandclearmedia]

Great video Manny. In fairness, one of the advantages of medium format, especially compared to a full frame sensor as dense as the 61MP A7RV, is that the noise can be effectively descaled. That's what makes them great for product and architecture...basically anything commercial where you want really clean results. For portraiture that's typically not as important, and especially in outdoor environments where you were during your model shoot, I doubt you could tell a difference unless you're really pushing the shadows in post. By the way, brother, you're doing great... don't let your anxiety lie to you today! 👊

[@mynewcolour]

This. Signal/Noise ratio means it stays cleaner further into tricky conditions.

[@dmacrolens]

Until the grid pattern shows up...

[@miljo2146]

The gfx sensor has the same pixel density as the sony.

[@mynewcolour]

@@miljo2146 Yes. Larger pixels = lower noise (all else being equal).

[@miljo2146]

@@mynewcolour pixels are not larger. They are exactly the same size.

[@clementstevens1541]

I recently discovered your channel and I'm fully enjoying the content. I must say after years of using APS-C I'm looking at full frame and the Canon EOS R8 looks very good. Keep up the content great work

[@DJJoMix]

At the end of the day, bigger sensor, higher bit dept, will always equal better image quality, that is just the reality. You have to remember cameras are tools, each type will fit your need differently. Medium format requires you to slow down, while full frames with fast tracking capability will typical suite your style of shooting. If you are looking for image quality, smoother color tonality, better shadows, or that 3 dimentional look, then medium format it is.

[@michalsierzchula]

There is one thing that so far no one I watched has covered when comparing the sensor sizes, and it applies for even switching between an APSC and 36mm. Compression, which is very important when it comes to portraiture work. Bigger sensor let you keep the compression (distance) while getting a wider view. It is very well visible on the old analog huge format photos. So with a medium format, you can get a compression of a 110mm lens, while still having a fov like 85mm on a Full Frame when it comes to GFX, not that huge difference, but better visible on for example PhaseOne or analog.

[@miljo2146]

That is not true and is a long busted myth. With that logic an iPhone portrait image would look horrible with its 6mm lens. There is only angle of view. The 110mm on the gfx has the exact same angle of view as a 85mm on full frame and therefore creates exactly the same image.

[@user-2fkheS6COV1UKE6]

I bought a7RV and going to sell the Hasselblad x2d, I would never move away from Hasselblad, but the slow autofocus as biggest limitation for me.

[@Roman_4x5]

Dude! Audio levels !!! and channels!

[@johns6290]

Thank you for a fair comparison. I know I shot at a meetup and a guy was shooting this camera but I did not see a big difference.

[@izzieb]

This might get lost, but some fast full-frame lenses do have an image circle large enough to cover this sensor. For example, some of the Voigtlanders. Take a look at Benj Haisch's channel if you want some examples.

[@aznoy]

Already liked it in the beginning because we need more comparisons between the full frame and medium. More pls!

[@KriMaster08]

Dear Manny. I agree with most. I feel you failed the direct comparison to the FF 85mm. The thing about GFX sensors, is that you can get shallower depth in comparison to FF because of the sensor size, and the 0.79 conversion to FF. The right way to test that is using a 85mm in both cameras (80 1.7 in this case) and get the shot for comparison. I feel the same as if you told me APSC is the same as FF because you used a 35mm in a crop camera and a 50mm on a full frame. Now I’m about to go watch your second video on this matter, and see where you’ve gotten from here. Thanks for the content!

[@majkiboy86]

Yeah,that is what i thought that it does not worth it. Easier to navigate in the full-frame world. And you still have the option to do brenizers if that is your desire. I think this was a good review without really getting into too much detail. It would be interesting to test a real medium format digital sensor that is recent and covers pretty much as a medium format film does to see but again those are bricks and not for every day use,unless you are rich and have the crazyness too(talking about non commercial photographers)

[@orlandonoa]

It's 14 bit vs 16 bit color depth. Weather you need that or not, only you can decide for yourself. If you shoot with a Phase back, you'll see more of a difference because the sensor size is closer to true medium format film. But I agree, if you can control your lighting, full frame is sufficient for 90% of the work. I'm a digital tech and look at people's files for a living. I'll see a medium format camera maybe 3 or 4 times a year. As opposed to 10 years ago when medium format was the norm.

[@ettepet9308]

I’m waiting on the upcoming 3D-curved sensors that got patented, to see what that does. I thought: Combined with medium format it might be worth stepping into that world, but now not sure the “medium-format”-part seems a game-changing factor. Thanks Manny for your insights into the affordable part of the “medium sensor” world. 👍💯

[@ThisGuyRocksLikeCrazy]

I was always under the impression that medium format is for those who want to print their photos or those who do product photography.

[@yuriyork8094]

I love this video. Feels unscripted and real especially by the end

[@anta40]

Most digital medium format are actually smaller compared to their film/analog counterparts. There's no 6x6, 6x7, 6x8 etc digital medium format. I believe P1 sensor is even smaller than 6x4.5. And I'm not even talking about large format. Bigger image sensor means bigger lens, which may hinder your portability. Unless you 100% do high end studio work, or regularly make huge gallery level fine art prints, or shoot static object like landscape, I agree full frame is the best all arounder: more compact, more lens choices, more affordable, etc etc

[@anupew3276]

One thing I dont like about 'medium format' is how broad that term is... Its anything smaller than large format (9x12cm) and larger than small format (fullframe, 3.5x2.4cm). the 'medium format magic' stuff began when comparing DSLR to Hasselblad (as far as I know they have both large and small medium format sensors)/Phase One, which is still smaller than smallest medium format in film era, but quite close. Compare those and the difference should be simmilar to comparing APS-C and FF. But this small medium format would be closer to APS-C than FF in that analogy.

[@santhosh880]

medium format with 100mp vs full frame 61mp is not a proper compression try with 50mp medium format vs same 50mp full frame

[@photofervorphotography4997]

What I notice straight away are the skin colours - the GFX appears more true to life (at least compared to the video) and the SONY more orange - this is what turned me away from SONY having to edit the skin colours compared to the Medium Format Hasselblad X1D I now have and its Natural Science colours. Weight-wise the Sony is the same weight as the Hasselblad X1D as to lenses Hasselblad has the 80mm f/1.9 XCD lens a remarkable lens which is heavier than the Sigma but less than the the old Sigma 85mm. The test you didn't compare is bringing up the shadows which is remarkable in the Hasselblad with little or no noise and the other test is cropping in - again remarkable in the Hasselblad. I have no problem using the X1D hand-held on location for fashion shoots you just have to pick up an X!D to know it feels right.

[@MichaelLaing71]

Gear is very much an individual thing. I have been using Nikon for 20+ years, Fujifilm X mount for 9 years and with the GFX 100s for around 5 months. I bought the GFX 100s because I was at that stage in my life where I could afford it and the lenses to go with it. It isn't going to make me a better photographer and full frame cameras are far more practical for 99% of photographers, for a variety of reasons. But I have fallen in love with the GFX. For me the Sony feels like a toy where my fingers are too close to the lens. The GFX feels similar to my D850, even though it is bigger and heavier. As you say, the sensor with it's 0.79x crop is much smaller than traditional 645 film (0.62x crop) but the GFX sensor has a trick up it's sleeve, which makes it truly wonderful. The big advantage of the sensor is that you can mount lenses like the Zeiss 135mm f/2 APO Sonnar, making a 106.65 f/1.58, with no vignetting and it is an astounding combination. Another lens is the Zeiss Otus 100mm f/1.4 creating a 79mm f/1.11 and that could be the ultimate combination. This is not to say, all full frame lenses work perfectly, my Nikon 105mm f1.4 has considerable vignetting, whilst my Ziess 85mm 1.4 Milvus also suffers from some. But even than if you are willing to crop in a little you can still get amazing images.