FULL DEBATE | Is Islam True? | Apostate Prophet vs. Finding Truth | Ex-Muslim vs. Muslim

[@skywlkinson2128]

Islam is rational and wolves are vegetarian!

[@generaljg4373]

Christianity is very rational in christianity God is a triune creature who speaks to himself on regular basis he also sacrificed himself to forgive the people, Yup christianity make so much sense

[@conociendoelislam85]

@@generaljg4373 but none says you have to kill evwryone who don believe

[@TheBarser]

@@conociendoelislam85 That didn't stop people in the past when the Christians where just as fundamental as Muslims today. Still Christianity today is mostly pacified, while Islam still needs the same treatment as Christianity had.

[@conociendoelislam85]

@@TheBarser what christianity?

[@TheBarser]

@@conociendoelislam85 Didn't stop the christians for killing unbelievers in the past. Burning witches etc.

[@runeh3022]

One minute in and I'm already thinking "So why the death penalty for Apostats if Islam supposedly encourages serching for the truth???" Makes zero sense.

[@thebabyhumanist1964]

EXACTLY

[@bluerock9238]

Apostate Murder was first introduced by Jesus King of Kings Prince of Peace God of the Worlds Seems like Islam copied it.......

[@princessmoana3705]

@@bluerock9238 Jesus didn’t kill anyone, prove it!

[@toddbeamer6131]

@Rune: exactly. Muslims are taught from an early age NOT to question. They are punished for questioning, and told that doubting is a severe sharia offence. Every muslim knows this. If you criticise muhammed you are a blasphemer worthy of execution. The entire cult forces members not to think, not to argue, not to analyse. Ahmed was lying.

[@Firra007PS3]

Apostate not in a sense of disbelieving in God or Islam. Apostate in a sense of Treason. Leaving islamic group and joining the enemy for financial gains or other personal interests

[@markustanbeck9149]

I can appreciate a respectful exchange like this. Good stuff AP and Ahmad !

[@NThTwS]

On a note over the debate. Ali dawah and MH should learn how to debate by Ahmed. The guy was calm and engaged the topic regardless who he discuss it with. Something so simple, and yet difficult for some people

[@robertx8020]

I agree I don't agree with his ideas but at least he wasn't a dick about it!

[@errata101]

Excellent form by AP.

[@laurameszaros9547]

I fully agree with AP's arguments and conclusions, but it makes a truly refreshing change to hear a convinced and apparently scholarly Muslim debate him so courteously. Makes me realise how poisonously hostile most of his Muslim challengers have hitherto been, and certainly gives an insight into the degree of animosity that Islam harbours towards unbelievers and apostates.

[@chadibk]

He told AP you pay taxes in the US . He should have answered. All people pay equally and they don't have to kneel to pay as slaves and US citizens are all equal which never exists in Islam

[@aka74459]

Bro what... The rich pay less tax. Lol u really think everyone's equal in the US... First of all racism and then the fact that y'all say that women have rights in the US is totally a lie. Your country has the highest sexual assault against women than any other country in the world even tho you are a first world country. Women are assaulted mostly in their work areas yet no one speaks against expect women themselves. Don't even try to talk about equality in your country bruv.

[@chadibk]

@@aka74459 are you living on this earth 🌍? Did you see in Pakistan Mohammed land how women are treated and gang raped ? Yes if it happens in the west people get arrested . Rich and poor are equal under the law . The poor they don't have to kneel صاغرون when they pay . Can I ask you in Islam if you kill a Muslim vs non Muslim is your punishment the same ? Here you know Islam is from Satan

[@timeisfleeting2452]

Ex-Muslim here. I'm with AP of course, but Ahmed Eshrah is a pleasant man. A nice debate. Good work James.

[@solvingpolitics3172]

Congratulations on leaving Islam. What drives me crazy about the Muslims is the non stop “cry bullying.” Not this guest though. It is beyond belief. Your thoughts?

[@Horvat04]

What nice guy ahmed is a liar. Are you that stupid or do you just like liars if they are respectful? If he tell you a lie very nice its ok?

[@timeisfleeting2452]

@@Horvat04 Liar? Stupid? Nice to see you have _adab_ habibi.

[@timeisfleeting2452]

@@solvingpolitics3172 Thanks. Agreed, victimology is big in Islam. It comes out most starkly in debates about the Crusades and Western foreign policy. You'll find people who boast about Islam's bloody history of conquest and jihad act like they're victims when people fight back against Islamic imperialism.

[@Horvat04]

@@timeisfleeting2452 well you are, no doubt about that since ahmed simply claims that allahs misguides nobody in the quran, which is the lie, which only the ones with a brain know that he is talking the exact opposite of his quran

[@alphabeta1337]

Is Islam true? No.

[@Seven_1865]

Look man, if you’re going to spoil the ending, you need to give a spoiler warning!

[@borneandayak6725]

Islam = myth legend

[@christislord7003]

It's a true bull crap.

[@generaljg4373]

Is christianity true? No , christianity is false 6th century religion

[@conociendoelislam85]

@@generaljg4373 prove it!

[@crimsonshadow1649]

Full respect to Ahmad Eshrah for being respectful and doing his best to present his points in a reasonable and logical manner without resorting to insults, stupid grape eating stunts or chest thumping, even though I am still not and will never be convinced that Islam is anything other than a cult of lies. If other Muslim apologists behaved more civilized like him, perhaps dawah would be much less of a joke.

[@jsgn8977]

If Islam is a cult of lies, then how is your religion not?

[@farisa1116]

Why does he crumble and start fumbling around in front of other like Daniel lol you could see him get frustrated while Daniel was very calm The only lie here is an ever-changing religion focusing on the desires of the people a pope who no longer thinks homosexuality is a sin just admits mistakes in Christianity countries debating what's a man what's a woman failed marriages men being treated like garbage for no reason vegan veg non veg useless debates and arguments And where does Islam stand Tens of crusades and one Salahuddin ayyubi one man stands taller than anyone else the true example of a muslim Every morality changing with time Yet only one religion stands firm to take on the world's rage only one religion that grows every day in thr number of converts the only one religion that hating on proves it The one religion signalling of the end times the words of hypocrites being accepted the Arabs rulers losing their faith to please the west One man who is insulted everyday and yet in over thousand years has such a strong holding in the world When satan said he'll attack each believer from all sides to the point of ignorance when he said I'll make it so that this religion would be hated upon he is true to his word When it's too late and you'll turn to him to which he would reply neither can he help you nor can you help me All these would give any other truth seeker a chill down the spine about the faith of those god said would remain ignorant to death and I see it all around me

[@crimsonshadow1649]

​@@farisa1116 “Why does he crumble and start fumbling around in front of other like Daniel lol you could see him get frustrated while Daniel was very calm.” Since I was talking about Ahmad Eshrah, and you just said ‘he’, I’ll assume you’re calling Ahmad Eshrah the fumbling buffoon until you learn how to write in context properly. Also please learn how to use punctuation so you don’t sound like a rambling psycho mumbling off 300 word sentences without taking a breath. “The only lie here is an ever-changing religion focusing on the desires of the people a pope who no longer thinks homosexuality is a sin just admits mistakes in Christianity countries debating what's a man what's a woman failed marriages men being treated like garbage for no reason vegan veg non veg useless debates and arguments” First sentence of yours which makes hardly any sense without punctuation. If only you went to a proper school that taught to how to write with commas and full stops like an adult instead of wasting your life away in Islamic classes. Firstly, the vegan and non-vegan debate has nothing to do with religion. Secondly, the idea that Islam being a non-changing religion is not something to proud of considering you are left with no choice but to peddle the idea that sex slavery, unequal inheritance rights for women, child marriage and child beating to make them memorize your stupid old book is totally fine, since your pedo prophet did all that or condoned it. Thirdly, Islamic clerics and scholars are coming up with new rules and fatwas all the time based on their own interpretation, which is basically making shit up as they go along coz your supposed prophet obviously could not foresee every potential issue in the future and give a guidance for everything. And because Islam has dozens of sects with different Islamic leaders making up their own shit as they go along, you have different rules for different Muslims on what is right or wrong, making Islam not only an ever changing religion, but an inconsistent and confusing one. But that mess is what happens you get when your so called almighty Allah supposedly gave his instructions in the form of a 7th century book, instead of doing what a truly intelligent almighty and all powerful being would do which is appear in the head of every single person on planet earth and tell them exactly what his instructions are and makes them understand it correctly (as he claims he can do in the Quran), so no one gets confused or argues about it. BTW, it doesn’t matter if your Islamic sources are currently unchanged, since your own hadiths show that many scriptures were lost coz memorizers got killed in battle, a verse even got eaten by a sheep, and so many different versions of the Quran were made that some guy named Uthman decided to burn the rest of them and keep the one he taught was right. And since your prophet was dead by that time, there is no way you will every know if the version Uthman decided to keep was the correct one, so for you know, you’re relying on an unchanged but incorrect version of the Quran. And if you don’t believe that, here are the sahih hadiths for you to read and weep: Sahih al-Bukhari 7191 (Book 93, Hadith 53) sunnah.com/bukhari:7191 Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 3 (Book 9, Hadith 1944) sunnah.com/ibnmajah:1944 Sahih al-Bukhari 4987 (Book 66, Hadith 9) sunnah.com/bukhari:4987 “only one religion that grows every day in thr number of converts the only one religion that hating on proves it” Christianity still remains the largest religion in the world, and the only Islam continues to ‘grow’ is not because of converts but because Muslim women are forced or pressured into staying home and making Muslim babies and Muslims are not allowed to apostatize, meaning your cult is forced onto millions of people, many of whom will never have the choice of leaving it for fear of punishment, jail or worse. If you’re so proud of Pisslam being the truth, you wouldn’t need to force people to believe it. But your leader know it’s a lie and Islam is simply used as a political construct to keep it’s braindead followers in line while Islamic leaders enjoy their power and money while telling Muslims to be thankful and look forward to jannah even if they are poor or starving. If you really think Islam is growing on it’s own merit, go tell your leaders to abolish apostasy laws, and then see how many ‘Muslims’ come out as secret apostates once they no longer have worry about being punished by your insane cult. “The one religion signalling of the end times the words of hypocrites being accepted the Arabs rulers losing their faith to please the west” Your prophet made clear predictions that the “end times” would happen within his lifetime or close to it. Here are 2 hadiths that show he predicted the last hour would come close to his own lifetime, signified by his fingers joined, and within the lifetime of a young boy. Sahih Muslim 2951e (Book 54, Hadith 169) sunnah.com/muslim:2951e Anas reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: I and the Last Hour have been sent like this and (he while doing it) joined the forefinger with the middle finger. Sahih Muslim 2953a (Book 54, Hadith 171) sunnah.com/muslim:2953a Anas reported that a person asked Allah's Messenger as to when the Last Hour would come. He had in his presence a young boy of the Ansar who was called Muhammad. Allah's Messenger said: If this young boy lives, he may not grow very old till (he would see) the Last Hour coming to you. Your prophet and that boy are long dead now and no last hour came. In another hadith, your prophet was so scared shitless at the sight of an eclipse coz he saw it as a sign of the end times. Sahih Muslim 912 (Book 10, Hadith 26) sunnah.com/muslim/10/26 Abu Musa reported: The sun eclipsed during the time of the Messenger of Allah. He stood in great anxiety fearing that it might be the Doomsday, till he came to the mosque. Well guess what? Hundreds of eclipses have come and gone after your prophet died and still no end of the world. So ALL your prophet’s ‘prophecies’ about when the end times happening during or near his lifetime have failed, making you an dumb follower of a fake prophet. “When satan said he'll attack each believer from all sides to the point of ignorance when he said I'll make it so that this religion would be hated upon he is true to his word” So a guy predicting that intelligent people won’t believe the bullshit coming out of his mouth makes him a legitimate prophet to you? Wow, talk about setting the bar low. Let me go make up my own BS religion now and predict that people will throw shade on me for it, that will definitely make me a true prophetess for sure, yo. “When it's too late and you'll turn to him to which he would reply neither can he help you nor can you help me All these would give any other truth seeker a chill down the spine about the faith of those god said would remain ignorant to death and I see it all around me” Once again, use proper punctuation so your empty threats about your non-existent God sound at least slightly more understandable and intimidating. In the meantime I’ll keep on dissing on your pedo prophet and waiting for your almighty Allah to do something about it like zap me with lightning in the next 3 seconds…….Oh wait, I’m still alive. Guess Allah ain’t as powerful as you think.

[@yahyaon144]

Arrogant and ignorant person alert 🚨

[@ODaher11]

So called Muslim apologists who are perfectly civilized are plentiful. You just pick and choose to focus on the ones who aren’t because your rejection, or even animosity towards Islam leaves you naturally inclined to do so.

[@ethakis]

It's so funny that Ahmed Eshrah's first words are to claim that Islam is religion that invites you to think about it when that is absolutely not the case. There's a reason the religion's name translates to "submit". Islam tells you to uncritically accept everything it claims and if you raise questions you're beaten into obedience with deception and obfuscation.

[@Horvat04]

Islam without lies dies. Ahmed is proof of this once again

[@al_ibn_fahad]

I will be Muslim till my Last breath Alhamdulillah💖 Love from India☪️🇮🇳💯 ⚔️Allah Hu Akbar☪️🏳️🏳️.

[@Horvat04]

@@al_ibn_fahad there is no love for disbelievers, you contradicting quran or doing taqqia

[@al_ibn_fahad]

@@Horvat04 You opened Quran and read arabic😂? Allah loves everyone ,Is it like that,do only muslim breath eat or live ,Whats diference ,everyone is living life is Allah punished them??😂for non believer ,it Karma they donnt follow Allah ok ,If they are Good Human they will be in heaven 💝

[@Horvat04]

@@al_ibn_fahad what about the 30 million muslims that does not speak arabic? The Prophet also said: “Whoever loves for the sake of Allaah and hates for the sake of Allaah, he has indeed reached the level of complete faith.” [Abu Dawood - Al-Albaani graded it Saheeh Just to remind you that you are a dishonest liar. The entire islamic world knows that allah only loves the muslims and hates the disbelievers. Available in every language on this earth so i wonder why some muslims like you always trying to make it look like allah only speaks arabic. How embarassing...should i continue quoting the quran for you in refferrence to disbelievers? Since you are contradicting your prophet and allah, how to help you?

[@al_ibn_fahad]

@@Horvat04 😎So it written hate everyone , 2 billion people hating others , You dont have nice exuses as muslim i knew it written no where to hate non believers ,You should buy a real Qur'an , I love Islam i lov Allah🇮🇳☪️💝💯😎

[@dotdashdotdash]

I never trust a man with a beard who shaves his moustache off.

[@widescreennavel]

Jake,I had an algebra teacher in high school that had this beard, he might as well have been iSIS to me lol...

[@impeacefulgamer]

😂😂

[@wasayrizwan4308]

@@widescreennavel So weird equating a regular person with ISIS, what's wrong with you?

[@Carolina-rd3gh]

Why?

[@ossierichie7868]

😂😂🤣🤣

[@combatmedic3785]

In the first minute, I laughed. islam is a rational religion? ROFLMAO

[@personmcpersonperson2893]

Same hahaha, just as ridiculous as claiming islam is peaceful. "Mohammed is a great role model" was hilarious too

[@sympatycznyaustriackimalar4105]

@@personmcpersonperson2893 well, it just doesn't change the anything. the fact that God is a sadist does not make him more or less real

[@generaljg4373]

Christianity is rational? In christianity God is a triune creature and his mother gave birth to him in 6th century imagine lol

[@sympatycznyaustriackimalar4105]

@@generaljg4373 so basicly avarage mythology

[@Nov_Net]

@@generaljg4373 straw man

[@RiluLiluCrocodilu]

Being a muslim is being a slave to allah. A slave is not there to think.

[@Carolina-rd3gh]

to Mohammed*

[@antmsurvivorpokemon1153]

@@Carolina-rd3gh indeed

[@virgocluster4260]

Well said

[@coolnizam111]

When you search for truth you think, when you get truth you don't think further , its because there comes a trust and beleif, when you trust and believe someone whole heartedly you became his slave .That's what every Believer does. A believer is who believe in one true God (who is his creator). When a creation ie Man realises his creator ie True God he submits his will to his creator. And that's what is a meaning of "Muslim".

[@generaljg4373]

In christianity ppl being slaves to a white man that claimed to be God

[@Carolina-rd3gh]

Impeccable debate performance from you, AP. You’re a logical and deep thinker and I like how Ahmed actually tried to engage more directly with your arguments and questions and made for an interesting conversation.

[@Horvat04]

Ahmed lied, what are you talking about? He is a flat out liar what to like about this... Ahmed is a complete contradiction to the quran. Disgusting Taqqia boy

[@generaljg4373]

@@Horvat04 according to christianity people allowed to lie and hide their true feelings also in the bible the donkey can speak to people and its considerd as a miracle, yea christianity is a silly belief

[@blackdiamond6077]

@@generaljg4373 Islam sucks. The prophet is a disgusting pedophile.

[@Horvat04]

@@generaljg4373 you need a medical doctor

[@runeh3022]

@@generaljg4373 not to defend christianity, but Muhammedæs winged tonkey ride to heaven is not exactly more credible...

[@TheInformedInfidel]

Islam is true in the context Harry Potter is true to the one's who want to believe. The thing is eventually you'll get beat up if you talk about it too much.

[@ZagrosŞêxbizin]

Mann, the predestination/determinism/free will question will always turn apologists’ brain into mush. Its amazing how they know they are fucked but find ways to dodge the questions and beat around the bush...

[@IvanSensei88]

Funny thing about this... yes this creates a huge problem for them, but I guarantee you - if we ever scientifically prove determinism to be true, they will point to those predestination parts and call it a scientific miracle.

[@ZagrosŞêxbizin]

@@IvanSensei88 I think that’s a misconception. We (and when I say we, I mean science) wouldn’t prove determinism, it would merely stack up data and evidence to the validity of the hypothesis that we live in a deterministic universe. Science doesn’t prove things. But yeah, I agree, apologists would start saying “MIRACLEEEE”. Lmao...

[@Jejjing]

The problem with the idea of determinism is the idea you have zero freedoms of will. Yes all of your thoughts and actions can be influenced by external factors, but does that mean all freedoms of action are predestined? No, I don’t believe so. When we look at freedom of will, we’re looking at too broad a subject to define. It is too vague. Are we talking about natural freedom, circumstantial freedom, freedom of action, freedom of thought, acquired freedom? I do not believe that all of these freedoms are all determined purely by external factors and other people.

[@generaljg4373]

Christianity - believe that the triune creature died and suffered for us so we can enjoy life its the only way to heaven🤩🙏

[@Jejjing]

@@generaljg4373 islam - believe in a caravan robber, child predator, murderer, man who stole his cousins wife from him, married a 5 year old, and was possessed by Satan himself. Also you must believe Jesus was tortured for some reason and was switched on the cross for no reason lmao

[@reincarnationentertainment9885]

Great debate: I thought Apostate won because of his freewill related argument but Ahmed was very respectful. I appreciate watching him/Ahmed debate.

[@a.man53458]

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[@boltrooktwo]

Freewill is a widely experienced phenomenon. Freewill lets us consider ontological comparisons. What claim about God, or what is the author of the order in the universe, you believe can come down to strictly ontology, what you consider greater or lesser. Another way to put it is what are the ultimate conclusions of purpose for the history and speculated future of the known universe? 1.) Is the author of the universe not intelligent, a product of blind purposeless random chance? That is one option you can think is great because it puts you, though you be limited and dying, on top of greatness but the author and conclusive purpose of the universe is least likely to have any qualities of greatness. The ultimate conclusion is to return in time to nothingness, the fruit of the universe spoiled, that conclusion is completely separate from fruitfulness and is only present in outer darkness. 2.) Is the author of the universe capable and intelligent and can pass on to heirs the path to that intelligence and capability? That is the view of the scriptures through Christ, who is described as the perfect heir, who invites others to come follow Him. The voice of the Creator telling the heir, or Son, of that Creator they are well-pleased and to hear Him, like the Father does for Christ, and then Christ inviting disciples to be like Him. The creation of the universe is fruitful so if the ultimate conclusion of the universe is continued sustainable universe creation, that is eternal life available to others. 3.) Is the author of the universe intelligent but immaterial and completely other, that subjects you to rules for their own pleasure and none can be like them? That is the view of Islam, Secular Humanists, and Trinitarians, that has produced in some of their behavior oppression of the innocent, as a result of viewing themselves as proxy for that kind of idea of greatness. The creation of the universe is what has produced all fruit, all fruitful things that sustain life, so if you can’t ever measure up to the intelligence and capability of the creation of the universe you will never be fruitful. Unfruitful things are discarded in fire while fruitful things will remain because they are sustained.

[@buttofthejoke]

it's actually rare for religious people, especially a Muslim to be that respectful. I've seen a lot lot of debates, you'll see lot of shouting and interruptions, lot of anger.. this was a pleasant surprise

[@joerdim]

So being respectful makes for a good point in an argument? An islamic apologist is bound to lose on that question. There is just no way to prove islamic teachings are true. And it is unreasonable to believe in them.

[@boltrooktwo]

@Ashik The prophet Elijah is copied into the Quran and the meaning of that name is "Yahweh is my God" not Allah. All true prophets prophesy in the name of Yahweh. The 7th century false prophet you follow has no witnesses but himself and copied stories from every other religion he heard of at that time. He wasn't in the covenant of Abraham, the pagans he descends from broke from it, he could not have been a true prophet and has only one witness, himself.

[@tiktokarchive_ug]

But where is peace in Islam? 😭😭

[@jamalakinade8175]

Hmmm interesting question u could ask Muslim countries like Kazakhstan Albania Algeria Morocco Egypt Indonesia Malaysia Qatar Bahrain Kuwait Oman u kno the ones western media don't talk about because u kno Muslims are un civilised says some of the countries that have a larger economy than some countries in the west hell even Iran is more stable than some countries in Europe so what's Ur point

[@Miles-co5xm]

It gives you peace, REST IN PEACE 😂😂

[@tiktokarchive_ug]

@@Miles-co5xm 😂😂😂 or it’s actually “pieces”

[@ahsanvideos837]

Sufism Islam is peaceful not sunni

[@Tera_baap_hoon_main]

Peace is only in the cover of Quran , not inside the Quran ‼️🤣

[@hussitewagoner6838]

In Ahmeds initial statement , he seems to know all the weaknesses and pitfalls of islam by attempting to reinforce and pre build a false narrative . His intent can only be seen as malicious to mislead, far from seeking truth.

[@thelegando4281]

Shut up

[@pipbaxter5286]

Ahmed was not here to 'seek truth' but to debate the topic of the debate!

[@giriprasadkotte9876]

That makes him an exceptionally good person among Muslims, if you know what I mean.

[@PotatoChixMoMo]

Full of Taqyya statement from Ahmed. It all garbage in and Garbage Out.

[@peraperic5270]

Why so many Muslims seek Allah’s guidance? Isn’t that in direct contradiction with free will? Islam teaches that earthly life is kind of a test and that you will be judged by God regarding your own, supposedly free-willed decisions. Being “guided by Allah” means your decisions aren’t your own after all, but Allah’s. If you outsource your power to decide to someone else then you are outsourcing responsibility for making decisions too. Who’s tested then? That’s no free will. Islam is such a logical mess…

[@anthonyharty1732]

It’s a CULT!!!!!

[@hassana1077]

I’m underwhelmed by the structure of the debate. It mostly consisted of the pre-destination/free will issue in islam, a philosophical issue. Philosophy is a discipline you shouldn’t use to argue with a religious person, it’ll never work because it’s most likely unfalsifiable. I expected more of the false prophecies and scientific mistakes in the quran and hadiths to be presented to Ahmed.

[@Blue8spiral]

I agree. You summed up how I felt about this.

[@zipzap6783]

Although it is a philosophical issue but it is an important one in Islam because one of the articles of faith in Islam is predestination, and Islam also says Allah is just but the whole concept of him being just becomes meaningless if we are doing what Allah wills. From Qur'an and Hadith we can't come to the conclusion that we have free will even though Muslim apologists claim that we have it.

[@hereweare9096]

How is the belief of Qadr philosophical? Its a literal belief that “Allah” has predestined the lives and deaths of Muslims.

[@MsLemon42]

The predestination issue is a big one in Islam (and Christianity for that matter). In my years on YT discussing religion, I have found it better to discuss it from the text as relying significantly on any other documents (such as scientific research) can be dismissed by the religious as “trickery” or “false” or “science changes its mind too much to be reliable”. For example, I have a video discussing why Near Death Experiences don’t work within the Christian and Muslim theology, rather than using the scientific data that recreates NDE experiences in another setting. It’s more difficult for them to ignore when you use their own text.

[@emailkolar4517]

You can look at religion from a philosophical point of view as much as you can look from it from a scientific point of view too imho.

[@prettypawsclaws458]

i think allah is different cause he said to mohmad to marry his daughter in law after she was divorced by his adopted son and after that allah said to him to abolish adoption cause he or any other person can do it ......Really like how many father will marry their daughter in law instead of taking care of her like own daughter ........really allah is great # stepfather fantasy

[@IvanSensei88]

Yeah it's funny... even Aisha noticed how Allah hastens to fulfill his wishes and desires... I especially like the verse which arose where his followers did not want to have intercourse with captured wives of polytheists.. but then Allah, exalted as he is, descended down and delivered the verse that boiled down to "you can fuck 'em.. it's halal". Oh how great he is! Thanks to Allah, they did not get blue balls. Yet for some reason, he wasn't there when a Jewish girl poisoned Mohammad.... maybe he was at the Kaaba taking a shit.

[@generaljg4373]

Prophets in the bible marrying their sisters lol christianity is a silly religion for sure

[@AliAli-my7hl]

@@generaljg4373 a silly religion that momo copied

[@scixn69]

@@AliAli-my7hl how could he copy when Bible didn't even exist in arab during Prophet's time? 😂

[@AliAli-my7hl]

@@scixn69 r u dumb 💀 he copied jesus and other prophets

[@savesouls7080]

I watched this debate, and you AP are the only one willing to accept what Islam teachers. . According to Islam, yes you are created for hell, bit according to Islam so is half the Dawah team. . Could you please make a video titled, Is Ali Dawah created for hell, or Is Muhumad Hijab created for hell. . You are already aware that according to Islam they are, and you already know where the sources are to back your claim!

[@islamcritic4996]

Wtf, Ahmad said Allah's will is your free will. So where the f**k this free will is. This debate is like AP is talking to a joker. 🤣🤣🤣

[@reydelmuerte]

10/10 reasonable statement lmao

[@ulka7777]

Seems like Ahmed lives in some alternative reality.

[@monacre1]

Mohammed a role model had me there. So much lies

[@stormpilot7477]

Worse model

[@atomkriegreinigungs7737]

It's debates like these that hold my firm conclusion that Islam is false when I became an apostate 8 yrs ago. AP was a gentleman after Ahmed said "you won't find the verse (regarding Christians going to Hell) because it doesn't exist, I've memorized the Quran" when he could've replied, "So much for memorizing the Quran when google can find the verse that actually exists." 😂

[@maryrosefridey]

I appreciate this opponents sense of humor, of course completely disagree with him, but he's cool 😎 APs just on a whole different level though, even compared with the respectful muslim apologists 😌

[@a.man53458]

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[@rkitsune3549]

@@a.man53458 muhammad never existed

[@pipbaxter5286]

Two perfect gentlemen debating civilly and in friendship.. such a pleasure. AP, I respect the fact that you followed the debate topic and didn't argue Ahmed's various qur'an inconsistencies (in his intro) which you and others have repeatedly spoken about.. time for that in your next debate. Well done.

[@Hacker-fh1ft]

MAD MAN OF THE PAST MUHAMMAD WAS VERY GOOD AND NICE 🥰

[@al_ibn_fahad]

I will be Muslim till my Last breath Alhamdulillah💖 Love from India☪️🇮🇳💯 ⚔️Allah Hu Akbar☪️🏳️🏳️..

[@pipbaxter5286]

@@al_ibn_fahad ..do what gives you joy, peace and contentment in your life..if that's Islam...go for it.

[@al_ibn_fahad]

@@pipbaxter5286 Thank you , Huge Respect ,🇮🇳☪️💝 Just love each other ,World will be fine

[@jgdaillet79]

@@al_ibn_fahad Christians are commanded to love everyone including their ennemies : " Love your ennemies . " ( Mathew 5 : 43 ) I love muslims but not Islam . Do you want to know why ? Here ' s one example among many others : " The messenger of allah said : If anyone changes his religion k!ll him." Sunan an - Nasa ' i 4059 May God bless you and your family . 🙏🙏🙏

[@erosquorum8755]

I'm an ex muslim atheist who studied islamic theology for two decades and left islam and have books translated or written on various topics. This guy is lying so much about his religion, or doesn't understand his religion.

[@habibie]

Good debate! Let them reveal stupidity of the dogma. Stay away from Islam! Thanks AP!

[@jhljhl6964]

Islam is of a God who hates. It was spread by the sword.

[@scixn69]

@@jhljhl6964 Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or. the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Here it says Jesus was come to follow old testament and preach the old testament. What the old testament says: Kill Adulterers [Lev 20:10] Kill all witches [Exodus 22:18] Kill Blasphemers [Lev 24:14] Kill false Prophets [Zechariah 13:3] Kill fortune Tellers [Lev 20:27] Kill anyone who sins [Ezek 18:4] Kill the curious [1Sam 6:19-20] Kill Gays[Lev 20:13, Rom 1:21-32] Kill all non-hebrews [Deut 20:16-17] Kill Sons Of Sinners [Isiah 14:21] Kill Non-Believers [2 Chron 15:12-13] Kill anyone who curses God [Lev 24:16] Kill any child who hits a parent [Exodus 21:15] Kill children who disobey parents [Dt 21:20] Kill those who work on sabbath [Exodus31:15] Kill disobedient children [Exodus 21:17, MK 7:10] Kill all males after winning battle [Dt 20:13] Kill those who curse on parents [Lev 20:9] Kill any bride who has been discovered not a virgin [ 22:21] Kill those who worship wrong god [Num25:1-9] Kill anyone who doesn't observe Sabbat [Exodus 31:14] Kill everybody of a town who worships wrong god [Dt. 13:13-16] Kill for kill [Lev 24:17] Yeah Yeah, God of Islam is cruel and god of Christians is Good hearted

[@jamalakinade8175]

@@jhljhl6964 last time I checked the crusades never existed 😂😂😂

[@jamalakinade8175]

@@scixn69 I luv u whoever you are 😅😅😂😂

[@scixn69]

@@jamalakinade8175 thanks for loving me 😂

[@MLamar0612]

"you did make that choice..... With his permission."- said with straight face

[@al_ibn_fahad]

I will be Muslim till my Last breath Alhamdulillah💖 Love from India☪️🇮🇳💯 ⚔️Allah Hu Akbar☪️🏳️🏳️.

[@MLamar0612]

@@al_ibn_fahad هذا مؤسف

[@al_ibn_fahad]

@@MLamar0612 i dont know You language ,I know hindi ,🇮🇳☪️💝💯💯

[@MLamar0612]

@@al_ibn_fahad वह दुर्भाग्यपूर्ण है

[@al_ibn_fahad]

@@MLamar0612 who is unlucky? Edit :its night , i will reply morning sweet dreama 💪💝🇮🇳☪️💝🇮🇳☪️

[@Emperor90201]

52:13 Sorry that's plain wrong. Allah doesn't just allow us to make our choices, He *decreed* every thought and act of ours before we were even born. By definition, we can't also simultaneously have free will. That's the internal contradiction.

[@OFFONE]

Same with Christianity, all religions are bs

[@jhljhl6964]

Allah is the greatest of decievers. Sura 3:54.

[@Emperor90201]

@King Arthur To identify when a theology has logical inconsistencies at its core

[@iqbalswati4786]

Can you produce prove that Allah is decreed upon you everything befor your birth?

[@divinity176]

@@iqbalswati4786 Well, many Muslims take the view that things are not pre-determined but it is simply that Allah knows what we will do in advance. This is contradicted by the traditions though - for example, Sahih Buhkaru 4138 (Muhammad's answer about whether to use coitus interruptus while raping captives): "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."

[@daduzadude1547]

Ahmed is from the same school as Shabir Ali - well spoken, not confrontational, or a bully. Although I don’t agree with him, he has my respect. Ali Dawah & Mo Hitjob can learn a lot from him.

[@lendawg6096]

Shabir Ali has been incredibly disrespectful towards christianity "off-camera" - he was caught mocking Jesus and christian belief while talking to a muslim crowd. I'm not too sure anymore how much of their "respectful behaviour" or manners are just a facade.

[@rocketleague2136]

@@lendawg6096 if I say that jesus ate fish and went in in toilette, is that disrespecting?

[@lendawg6096]

@@rocketleague2136 No. And that's not what Shabir Ali did. He made an impression of Jesus in a very mockingly and disrespectful manner.

[@rocketleague2136]

@@lendawg6096 mocking Jesus will lead you out of Islam too. Its an act of kufr (disbelief) to mock ANY prophet, so i heavily doubt that he meant as you understood.

[@lendawg6096]

@@rocketleague2136 You haven't even seen the clip, so don't speak about it. Go watch it and come back here and declare Shabir Ali a disbeliever.

[@pedroamaralcouto]

Interesting, several commenters praised Ahmed for his attitude, despite not agreeing with him, but that didn't happen with Ali Dawah. Wonder why.

[@___GM___]

He is so calm an decent . It's just a shame he is brainwashed..

[@haithamalmomani4414]

Says the bright guy who is NOT brainwashed of course

[@stevejankins405]

@@haithamalmomani4414 Nobody is as indoctrinated as abduls

[@haithamalmomani4414]

@@stevejankins405 getting brainwashed by the religion of truth is better than getting brainwashed by tom , dick and harries' whims and speculations , steve.

[@haithamalmomani4414]

@Chuslam Puppet Stalin and Mao Tse Tung and Pol Pot and Kim Il Sung and Lenin and Mussolini all agree with you 👍👍👍

[@haithamalmomani4414]

@Chuslam Puppet then why do they have less victims than 1) Christians,2)non religious,3) Buddhists 4)primal indigenous??????

[@kensmith8152]

Most Muslims I’ve seen arguing solely use the rhetoric tactics of denial, lying intimidation and shouting. Very little intellect.

[@eye.cu2b321]

AP is Sharp, Calm, and On Time. Eye C an Apostasy Pandemic coming. Great Job AP.

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

Man your blind what you meant was that he no matter how wrong he is how overmatched he how overmatched he is ican never be wrong because he nourishes matches and meets the needs of your own personal hatreds and prejudices that’s what you mean that’s your reality and personally I don’t give a dam if joy feel cool being comfortably dum all power to ya I prefer the light and right of healthy understanding and processing of reality u know that which your hate blinds you to 😂

[@errata101]

@@lorenzochimelis7359 awesome incoherent unintelligible word salad!

[@generaljg4373]

When we dig deep in christianity we find many sketchy things like why they celebrating the birth of the sun God in Christmas and people kiss the cross wich we see the same cross symbol in Hinduism statues

[@blackdiamond6077]

@@generaljg4373 this is an atheist channel. Who cares about Christianity? They are talking about pisslam. Maybe you should worry about your vile religion instead of defending pisslam by deflecting to Christianity.

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

@@errata101 this reaction stains for brains is was what I mean it’s part of your personal reality your brain blind son

[@businessempirereview1912]

Man, AP is really good in debates 🙏.....

[@dslite7985]

In islam one cannot think but to believe because when I was not thinking, I was a muslim; and but when I started thinking... I became an apostate, and then when I finally happened to know the truth of being an apostate I become a Christ-like meaning Christian, and so say Amen to that."

[@mreza84]

You are not alone 👍

[@IAmjokerAccuserUponPeople]

Bible have shit hole just like Quran you know

[@dslite7985]

@@IAmjokerAccuserUponPeople That's what you ignorantly thinks and believe for being the illiterate of the book, of which it isn't what I wisely thinks and believe for being literate of the book.

[@dslite7985]

@@IAmjokerAccuserUponPeople "And then, can you proof any of these claim of yours..?

[@IAmjokerAccuserUponPeople]

@@dslite7985 I knew Quran and bible word of secret society

[@hebrews1112]

Finding Truth opens with: "Islam is a rational believe and it invites you to think. When a religion tells you not to think, it hides something" Sura 4:59 Just obey Allah and his messenger........... Mmmmmm, am I the only one who sees a contradiction here?

[@futureisyours3016]

.....😀😁😂. Oh! My head will be off now for laughing at their dumb arguments

[@coolnizam111]

This is Applicable only to beliver

[@hebrews1112]

@@coolnizam111 By which you mean muslims? Or do you mean believers in general?

[@sajidmahmood7116]

@@hebrews1112 Muslim literally means believer. If you are not a Muslim you can’t be called a believer.

[@hebrews1112]

@@sajidmahmood7116 No, muslim means to be submitted to Allah. I'm a believer and I am a christian, not a muslim. But tell me , do you think Jesus died on the cross?

[@orwellianpepe7660]

I will never understand why human rationality should be a proof for Islam being the only true religion, to me it is the exact opposite. Because a God doesn’t follow human rationality, God is above human rationality. Islam to me shows that it was created by a human who created it by human logic. From all religions IMO, it is the most obvious one that comes from a human mind.

[@mreza84]

Exactly what I think...

[@marlinbarber2399]

peace be apon mohmad who killed 800 men and boys then gave there woman to be sex slaves for his men....who raped a9 year old child girl....peace beapon mohmad may he rot in hell

[@000Aful]

Very well said.

[@darkira2129]

I think because truth is consistent, and truth is just our way to measure reality and we use rationality as our best tool to find truth. so in conclusion, if god exists outside human reasoning god is as good as non-existent... if he is outside human reasoning, but can influence "our world" the influence is not outside our reasoning so we can infact "find god", and if we need to die first to see his influence, then if there's hell, god is just cruel.

[@TetrahedronIX]

Yes, exactly Prophet Mohammad also gets special revelations regarding himself and special privileges. For example having 11 wives while others are only allowed 4.

[@rawingrambang2141]

Very good debate, I hope many Moslem can watch this debate, so they can respect other people, god bless Mr. AP, amen 3x🙏🙏🙏

[@joerdim]

At least that. But respect doesn't change the fact that all Abrahamitic religions can't be proven to be the truth.

[@saffyteal2209]

What makes you think they aren't respectful?

[@al_ibn_fahad]

I will be Muslim till my Last breath Alhamdulillah💖 Love from India☪️🇮🇳💯 ⚔️Allah Hu Akbar☪️🏳️🏳️

[@hossein.m1912]

Love you AP, I'm proud that a person logically as perfect as possible debating and proofing Islam is lie.

[@Firra007PS3]

buahhaa when did he prove islam is a lie? haha this shows your intellectual capability to even grasp the rebuttals Ahmed bought. Ohh god

[@asalamibacon1131]

*Proving Yes. Islam is a lie

[@nova8460]

@@Firra007PS3 believing Islam is not a lie is the greatest lie...😂😂 Without lies Islam dies...

[@eliteshownight1508]

@@Firra007PS3 bro you should by some medici for your burn,It's look like your inside is burning🤣🤣🤣

[@AliAli-my7hl]

@@Firra007PS3 ofc he did debunking free will proves islam is fake

[@suelingsusu1339]

He says that the message of Islam is you must choose to obey or else ... but then he says it is a religion of thinking and free will... and therein lies the abject unreasoning.... QED

[@slraj1133]

Ahmed Eshrad gave an eloquent thakyia. Or perhaps he has started his own version .

[@alsolmo8993]

According to this muslims, he says that we have free will in islam. Sahih al-Bukhari 3208 Narrated `Abdullah bin Mus'ud: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul is breathed into him. So, a man amongst you may do (good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise." If BEFORE im born an angel comes and writes down my destiny. He writes four things: My deeds, my livelihood, the date of my death and most important for this argument whether I will be blessed or wretched... This is written before I am even born. How is this free will according to islam?` Another thing. When AP was spitting verses from the Quran and hadiths, this muslim did not seem that eager to do the same. Why is that? He says "Islam says this, Islam says that..:" But he gives very few scriptures to back up his claims... And this makes islam true?

[@coolnizam111]

First of all Free will is given to everyone but consequences are also given to those who obey or disobey, Reward as well as punishment, Here AP is only Cherry picking the punishment. If Almighty has created everything which is existing then he is also creator of Right ✅ and wrong❌, these two things(Right and wrong) didn't existed before creation It was created by God. humans who has free will to chose Right as well as wrong but there will be also consequences for choosing the option (Reward as well as punishment). Secondly The fate which is written is not permanent but it may change as per the action of that person. For example if a judge has given a sentence(his fate) of life imprisonment to a person but after looking his good behavior by jail authority his punishment is reduced. Similarly during a lifetime of a person (until he dies) his fate is subjected to change depending upon his actions and will of Allah.

[@alsolmo8993]

@@coolnizam111 This is your answer? Could you show me where it says that what you claim "The fate which is written is not permanent but it may change as per the action of that person". Because from where I stand I see that hadith as very clear that your way of life, action ect has already been written for you. So can you show me something that support your claim?

[@alexali1460]

@@alsolmo8993 He has fled the scene. This is typical of these apologists

[@alsolmo8993]

@@alexali1460 i know. Out of hundreds of communications with muslims over the net. Not a single one has stand his ground and defended his belief. In a way I kind of feel bad for them, because it is not accually their fault. Islam is a religion with so many holes and disturbing things in it, so how could any one in the 2022 even try to defend this? Its impossible. Sooner or later they will have to give a good reason to why the ”most perfect exemple of a man” had sex with a child. Or why their god tells them to kill the rest of us that do not believe what they believe. Things like this can be hard to defend in moderat times like ours.

[@rubenburen7070]

Free Will in Islam ? 🤔 Really ?? 🙄🙄

[@George4943]

There are no rational religions. Except, perhaps, the devotees of Mother Nature. There is no Nature above Her Nature. She has One Commandment: My Way. No magic. No miracles. Experiment and discover when you're wrong. Chip away the wrong things and get closer to the sculpture of truth. Someone else will find another place where we were all wrong all along. There is no ancient knowledge of magic and/or miracles which is true. There are no rational religions.

[@impeacefulgamer]

I really like this kind of debate not like with those dawah goons. This kind of guy should represent Islam not people like Hijab and his puppet Ali! This guy is very calm and very respectful! Wether Islam is true or not I don’t know but Ahmed you are good person from what I can see from this debate. Islam need more people like you so world can me more peaceful!

[@jjthomsan4111]

I laughed in his intro “islam is rational" for 15 min straight 😂

[@mlg1279]

😀

[@chrisskywalker6079]

Ha ha ha, absolutely😂

[@lunarcalips]

I did too! I died laughing!!! I'm with ALLAH right now!🤣🤣🤣

[@jantelopez5626]

yeah how many times in the quran does it say "if you doubt me you'll burn in hell" - -thanks for the rationale

[@farisa1116]

@@jantelopez5626 that's literally every religion you kid

[@africanprophet4039]

The Muslim total failed to prove if Islamic is true, he made a series of claims and provided no evidence. What a what a waste of time. AP gave us chapters and verses to refer to while Ahmed quoted the false translations without giving us the chapters and verses for us to verify his claims.

[@joerdim]

What can you do if there is no known way to prove that your religion is true? Yeah well, he could stfu and keep his guessings to himself.

[@areebachewa8318]

I think African Prophet need to educate the Africans who have invaded the African continent and is time for the African have their own ancestors belief that restore their own African values and costume ...

[@areebachewa8318]

Islam invaded African by claiming peace and invaded them from within using their breeding and still doing it from Nigeria, Kenya and still advancing to the south Africa ...

[@africanprophet4039]

@@areebachewa8318 You are right, sadly most southern Africans don't know how evil the cult of Islam is.

[@americana4193]

I still want to know why inbreeding is STILL a thing in majority Muslim countries when the rest of the developed world got the memo?

[@toddbeamer6131]

Muhammed married a first cousin. He is their best example to follow, for all time.

[@toddbeamer6131]

Ex-muslims consistently say how their questions about islam were seen as offensive by their family and community, and that they were punished, criticised or abused for doubting anything. Even the quran says that believers should not argue; they should just submit to everything, without question.

[@ljubomirstojkovic5368]

Standard misundersting of the history by Arab scholars, when they said that Europe was in dark ages and that they lead the cience and culture. That is not true at all. The biggiest science and culture center at that time was Constantinople. Maybe the west was in dark but the east was just fine.

[@Jesus_is_LORD.]

I love it when muslims shoot themselves in the foot. 1. In the introduction, "Finding truth" said a religion that's true should not be afraid of being questioned but islam did same thing in a.5:101. 2. He also tied divinity to infallibility, can he show any infallibility islam ascribed to the muslim "Jesus"? The quran in s19:19 described the islamic "Jesus" as Holy/Pure. What does he say about that? 3. He also attributed the spread of islam to its truth but truth should not need the power of force to spread. Truth should flow effortlessly but that's not the fact with islam. With these three points, Ahmed proved islam to be false.

[@macgerard9636]

Be honest Ahmed do you really believe there is free enquiry & the pursuit of science in islam?? This isn't the 80s or 90s. We're in the Age of the Internet & there's nothing prying eyes can't see. In fact what we now know about islam is so obnoxious I'm sickened by it.

[@Real_vanGogh]

Even though Ahmed had a lot of false arguments and was beating around the bush, he does seem like a nice guy.

[@antmsurvivorpokemon1153]

Lot of muslim people are good people But sadly islam keep them away and put a border between them and other people Im an ex muslim and still talk to my best friend which are muslims and love them and im sure they love me back , its the religious and radicals whi brainwash muslims thay you shouldn't talk to ex muslims and should hate them

[@Real_vanGogh]

@@antmsurvivorpokemon1153 Man that's really unfortunate actually. Islam is really stopping them from getting more potential out of their lives and their own character.

[@antmsurvivorpokemon1153]

@@Real_vanGogh exactly its sad, and politics is to be blamed as well, cuz governments are forcing islam more and more in middle east by supporting islamic organisations so its easy for them to control the mass Thats why in middle east if u say anything about islam u go to jail

[@generaljg4373]

@@Real_vanGogh christianity is stopping Christians from hitting their full potential and be more open minded its sad that people believe in such an ideology I'm glad that people leaving christianity its for the better

[@Real_vanGogh]

@@generaljg4373 Christianity has adapted much better than Islam and is definitely more compitable with Western societies.

[@jhljhl6964]

Truth does require a sword; it requires the cool light of reason.

[@czeremcha-zjadliwa]

Like it! Very well said!

[@zarine5586]

Wow....🎯

[@zarine5586]

@@maalikserebryakov 😂😂😂😂😂 Research Mughal Invasion in India! Your Cult was spread by the sword

[@wanderingstar5270]

@@maalikserebryakov it’s still spread by force today when you are not free to leave

[@jhljhl6964]

@@maalikserebryakov For 13 years, self-proclaimed prophet Muhammad was unsuccessful. Only when he traveled from Mecca to Medina and began his campaign of ruthless slaughter was he successful-- and only because of his slaughter of rational non-believers.

[@yarnybart5911]

He may be more polite than the average apologists, but he launched into the lies straight off the bat.

[@toddbeamer6131]

They can't defend lies without lying. Rotten to the core.

[@deewesthill4705]

The Quran's repetitive harangues remind me of extremely abusive interrogation techniques that wear down captives until the torturers get what they want.

[@Timeren2010]

I once read a book called "The easy way to stop smoking". I found it used a technique based on brainwashing by repetition, the same message repeated over and over, with different wording and different packaging. I get the same feeling reading much of the quran, instead of it being about smoking, its about the threat of the torment of hell and putting the believer over, and against, the disbeliever. Over and over and over. It didnt make me stop smoking, and the quran didnt make me a muslim, both are/were too transparent, and one was plain stupid and violent.

[@toddbeamer6131]

When the best moral example of islam was a slave owner, and trader, then what else can believers do but lie? They can't defend all the crimes he did, so their only defence is dishonesty.

[@chadgaston8615]

He was also a well documented murderer. Notice how in Judaism and Islam it is ok to kill, enslave or rape non-muslims or non-jews. Nader Shah, Soleimani, Baruch Goldstein or Bin Laden were not just some random extremists. Jews and Muslims are commanded by the lord and master of the universe to enslave rest of the world to their lords will. Many of them join the Red army because Marx gave them a secular way to push their morality to us. Trouble is that we now know every emotion is a chemical reaction in the brain. We now know that disease is not a curse. We now know that lord of the universe does not exists. If there js no God, what is the point of being a Jew or a Muslim.

[@alexanderoneill6160]

The miracle of Islam is how so many people believe it despite all its holes.

[@ineedlotmoreofmotivationbe2170]

Bro plz make video about genocide of Hindus by Muslim in Kashmir and react to Kashmir files trailer plz

[@Seven_1865]

Dude, they totally deserved it! They looked at Muhammad cross eyed that one time. What else were they to do? Surely allah is merciful, kind.

[@AssassinsCr2]

@@Seven_1865 You seem very peaceful...you know that, ye? 😅😅

[@aga7299]

Islam is a religion of peace and love .

[@oceandew7795]

It's heart breaking to see that even after all these exposures....by D Wood, CP , AP and others ...presented to them from their own book ...they refuse to see , wilfully blind...and go on defending their terrible Md.....they really deserve what's coming to them.

[@tt-vc9vd]

An avalanche of deserters, or apostates 🤣

[@JP-mq4zc]

One day they will see the light!

[@rocketmonkey2338]

what exposure bro.hahaha

[@lolasobande8663]

The Christian apologists are waging intellectual warfare and not spiritual warfare. Spiritual strongholds can only be cast down by warfare prayer. Islam has had a,1400 years multi generation lead on David Wood et al. There are at least 80 M muslims in Nigeria. Possibly only a handful of them have heard of David Wood. I have followed Hatun's research on the 37 quran variants. I doubt if any Nigerian muslim has ever heard of this as only a negligible few would follow such issues online. Muslim converts here are birthed by the weapon of the prayers of the church. What is true for Nigeria cuts across the muslim world. Only committed prayer can dislodge Islam. In prayer we can access angelic assistance to that end.

[@carletharochelle2362]

Whats coming?

[@jdstaley3710]

Great discussion! Though as smart as Finding Truth is, I can see him leaving islam and becoming a Christian.

[@grawar1]

Why join another dumb religion😂

[@000Aful]

With as smart as ahmed is, I don't see him becoming atleast a christian.

[@MsLemon42]

What would be smart about adopting another religion that has no supporting evidence?

[@tiatia6723]

@@grawar1 Islam is nothing.

[@deewesthill4705]

Why did "Allah" choose to create people, knowing long before he chose to create them that the choices they made in their brief lives would send them to spend eternity in a hell of burning agony that he prepared especially for them? It appears that the only logical answer is that he wanted it to happen.

[@mamertaondracek4995]

#✝️❤🌍🔥📖🙏..May God Amighty"YAHWEH"..bless U,& guidance, Wisdom, protection covered U sir.Apostate P.. Jesus said; John 8: 31-32..The Trueth shall Set U Free Free indeed!..Amen..More Muslim Open his Eyes & heart in truethfaith in Christ..Amen..✝️❤🔥📖🙏..

[@loveispower4349]

Love u bro, i m Xmuslim , from Bangladesh ""

[@toddbeamer6131]

congratulations. keep safe.

[@loveispower4349]

@@toddbeamer6131 thanks

[@dark_mode]

Ahmed's closing statement was hilarious 😂

[@SisterinChrist12]

I agree😂

[@magnumopus1628]

I'm not there yet, but the opening statement was already quite hilarious.

[@leiatyndall8648]

Less than 2 min in & I'm already having a hard time w/ the first 2 claims. I've already laughed in disbelief @ the first 2 claims (& the "it's been prophesied abt" bit, which might be his 3rd claim). This thing is 2 hrs long?

[@maryrosefridey]

I appreciate this opponents sense of humor, of course completely disagree with him, but he's cool 😎 APs just on a whole different level event compared with the respectful muslim apologists 😌

[@magnumopus1628]

@@maryrosefridey Yeah I agree. I kinda liked the guy, but his arguments didn't even stand a chance. And it was clear from the very first words he pronounced.

[@Mysterychannel12]

Ahmed was a very nice dude but you know just the same bs argument that an apologist would give,his analogy examples were false , watchmaker argument fallacy.

[@MBiernat0711]

54.00 free will argument - Ahmed did not answer anything AP asked but goes in circles. The earthly father gives the choice to his son, and his son is choosing for himself, independently from the father. This is not a valid comparison, because earthly fathers are neither omnipotent nor omniscient.

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

Islam a rational religion? This guy makes a great comedian!!👏👏

[@victorunbea8451]

Me: Is my internet lagging. No? Hmm that's strange. Why is the audio stuttering? Oh right, it's another "scholar" that starts bumbling in Arabic that pretty much nobody who watches this understands or wants to understand.

[@carpediem7654]

Islam just crumbles under scrutiny.

[@00MSG]

"Finding truth" seems to be a intelligent and likable guy, why is he not more famous? All his argumentation goes rather into the direction of proving faith itself not Islam.

[@pipbaxter5286]

I think the intent of the question is not clear. "Is Islam true?". 1) Yes, it exists; 2) Does every word in the Qur'an actually come from Allah as muslims believe? This can't be proved, so it must be based on faith rather than evidence. Does that make it untrue? 3) Can the Hadiths be considered part of Islam as they are written by others than Mohammed. Muslims seem to pick and choose which to believe and follow. 3) Its historicity.. Did the man, Mohammed actually exist in the 600s? How does the information on the proto qur'an being in fact plagarised from Christian and Hewbrew lectionaries, poetry, hymns and childrens fables, in Syriac and Aramaic, then adultered to fit the nascent Islamic narrative, alter what is believed by muslims today. This question is too broad and although interesting to see laymans responding, should really be handled by historians.

[@fish9008]

In Dawah (The act of inviting someone to Islam) there's stages for the invitation. As far as he's concerned, Ap is an Atheist, someone who doesn't believe in the existence of god. So the first step is to naturally argue about faith first then to go for Islam.

[@DL.Traveler.2016]

The muslim guy responded by his own opinion while AP gave references. Hopefully muslims will learn how to respond by citing their most trusted sources, quran and sahih hadiths.

[@joerdim]

I think he did this on purpose because his sources would be terrible then.

[@celestialknight2339]

Ahmed provided a plethora of references from the Qur’an and elsewhere. You must have selective hearing. A clear sign of bias.

[@DL.Traveler.2016]

@@celestialknight2339 did he mention exact references where i can search and verify if what he said is true? Hadith number, book, page or verse in the quran?

[@celestialknight2339]

@@DL.Traveler.2016 You said that he responded “by his own OPINION” which is a far cry from saying that he quoted without precise reference. In that case you need to edit your comment, since you’re not communicating very well.

[@DL.Traveler.2016]

@@celestialknight2339 yes..to me he spoke by his own opinion since references (sources) were not given. And i am not an expert in quran and hadiths to know where to find what he said. Also, That is not how religious debates are conducted with public audience.

[@shivbhakt7317]

The word "Mohammad" is only 4 times in Q ran and it is in the form of past tense, The word allah is also not as first person, both Allah and Mohammad are 3rd persons. Someone else is talking on behalf...if we see the actual Arabic text, it seems Mohammad is already passed, (just like Isha ibne mariyam, passed in q ran) and written late after his death.

[@MilitantAntiAtheism]

The islamic trinity where the third is the quran itself

[@generaljg4373]

Just because in christianity theres 3 gods in one body with 3 heads doesn't mean Islam is the same, Allah is not like Christian God hes not a triune creature

[@Ishuuuxix]

@@generaljg4373 why is Allah god ? Qur'an says so ! Who says Qur'an is legitimate? Prophet says so ! Who says prophet is legitimate Allah says so .... It is kind of a trinity lol if one goes missing other 2 don't make sense

[@shivbhakt7317]

Sorry guys minor correction, not 3 person, it is 3rd person, means in conversations in entire q ran they are absent, someone else is talking about them, seems things are men made.

[@shivbhakt7317]

Qran is copy of Bible, i know, rulars called Abbasis(7-8th century) could not copy it properly ☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️

[@SS-sg4eg]

This is one of the major problems I had with Islam before I left it that God asks us who wants to take this challenge of life if you fail you go to hell if you succeed you go heaven but then he proceeds to wipe our memory like that's a weak argument and idea how I'm I responsible If I can't remember that? that's a totally different person that accepted why blame the current me? this whole idea is enough to prove that Islam is nonsense..

[@sparXKuijper]

A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood .

[@mounishdoli8573]

Then kill the woodchuck for the crime of woodchucking.

[@geeboom]

Shouldn't the question "is religion X true?" be answered by a person who converted to this religion rather than by someone who was born into it? Every person, especially Muslims who are so indoctrinated would be convinced of the truth of their supernatural beliefs, culture and identity.

[@bennywolfe4357]

Only converts have a right to defend their religion? All people born into their religion are idiots?

[@maverick7291]

I wouldn't think so. Then all the people born and raised as atheists wouldn't be allowed to give their own opinion or experience. Same goes for Christians, muslims, etc...

[@MsLemon42]

@Ashik What you are talking about is “retrofitting” the text to make it look like it predicted/explained something. What is the technological discovery the Quran predicted?

[@maverick7291]

@@MsLemon42 their invention was being the first to perfect the pitches used car salesmen use to con people in getting an inferior product thinking it's superior.

[@cheesypuff736]

I wish moderators would intervene when a debater makes an assertion without evidence ... as without evidence, its just a valueless opinion

[@reydelmuerte]

How would the moderator know though? Cant know about everything.guess youd need a fact checker or two on top of the moderator

[@cheesypuff736]

@@reydelmuerte Example - when Abdool says 'the Quran is a miracle' in his opening, this is simply an assertion/opinion. The moderator needs to intervene immediately after it is clear that the debater has moved on - and then request evidence (which of course is a whole new debate) or retract the statement (pointing out that the assertion is an opinion). It makes the Moderator part of the debate process and keeps him/her on their toes, rather than just being a glorified time keeper (which is pretty much a non-job). Thanks ...

[@PotatoChixMoMo]

Agree. Islam died without lies

[@inakaboyz]

@@cheesypuff736 i don’t think moderators should do that. But instead, the opposing side would definitely point that out and ask for the basis of such claims

[@cheesypuff736]

@@inakaboyz They wouldn't get the chance to, or would be charged with interrupting. The whole debate procedure is set out wrong. Imagine how many assertions could be made in five minutes without being challenged. And if an assertion is unchallenged, to those who are unawares, the assertion is deemed a fact ... eg, the Quran is perfectly preserved ... not!

[@getreal3148]

huge respect to this man for being civilised and respectful that being said he really wasnt ready for a debate in english, his english is great as a comunication tool but his speaking abilities and flow are not up to that level yet

[@magnumopus1628]

More than his speaking abilities, his problem was that his arguments were all contradictory to the true nature of Islam.

[@getreal3148]

@@magnumopus1628 that is part of the subject on the debate but his linguistic abilities are not

[@Horvat04]

Its enozgh to lie, to do taqqia like for example quote in the quran allah doesnt misguiding anyone. Disgustinh liar...nothing more

[@generaljg4373]

@@magnumopus1628 christianity is so loving it compare gentiles to dogs and some people are proud to be called gentiles by the false triune creature with 3 heads

[@georgenicolas2857]

@@Horvat04 I'm glad someone else noticed that as well.

[@neo2643]

Very good and respectful debate from both sides. You should show this debate to other Muslim Apologist who accuse you of being insulting and disrespectful, so that they can see that you treat people respectfully if they treat you respectfully.

[@enockt6218]

Its halal to lie

[@maverick7291]

@Thunderous One it's still all lies, we all know that. but to answer flatly yes. Having someone insult you while lying is way annoying than someone who let's you speak and comment on the topic at hand to call on their bs.

[@MsLemon42]

@Thunderous One The lies aren’t appreciated but the civility is (and we have to prove he was saying things that he doesn’t believe to differentiate “lies” from “misinformation”). When AP has debated other dawa fools, they just deliberately twist his words, make things up entirely, and yell at him and insult him. No actual discussion can be had in those cases. Even when Ahmed was having a hard time accepting what AP was saying, he tried his best to explain his point of view to address what AP was saying. He didn’t just call him “boy” and start threatening disgusting things with AP’s wife.

[@skywlkinson2128]

🤣🤣🤣 Prophesied in “Hinduism”! Muhammad is prophesied in one text as evil ghost!

[@gazzamc1255]

Eshraf is 100 per cent correct when he said there is no scientific contradiction in the Quran because there is no science in the Quran. No science equals no scientific contradictions.

[@washimpower2259]

Blessed is He Who made Constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light.” [Al-Qur’an -Surah Al-Furqan-25:61 Disbelievers like you has no science, they have their own morality. Hell waits. Good luck.

[@kraidenb.226]

@@washimpower2259 What an absolutely oblivious and disgusting human being you are. Keep celebrating infinite punishment for finite "crimes" (which aren't even crimes).

[@lordfrieza1866]

@@washimpower2259 the same Quran claims semen is made in your spine please explain that 😂

[@washimpower2259]

@@kraidenb.226. Drugs and disbelief is fun, let alone god. Keep going to hell. Go ahead.

[@washimpower2259]

@@lordfrieza1866 Whose books you are reading? Disbelievers? Or agnostics? And whose contents you are following now man 🤣😂. You Brainwashed entirely let alone god at first.

[@abesakkaki5082]

Mr. Ahmed Eshrah is very vague and unstructured. His ability to communicate his ideas is unsuccessful.

[@timchapman5553]

When you debate a Muslim focus in on key words in their defence of Islam like modesty materialism oneness and have Hadith and Quran verses at the ready to address these points because there probably isn’t one aspect of these things that the Quran doesn’t fail on

[@timchapman5553]

@Ashik Hafs by your scholars was reported to have fabricated Hadith

[@tahahagar7664]

So name one thing the Quran fails on then...

[@timchapman5553]

@@tahahagar7664 the concept of creation Allah gets on the job training and levels up Quran 30 27 Sahih International: And it is He who begins creation; then He repeats it, and that is [even] easier for Him. To Him belongs the highest attribute in the heavens and earth. And He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

[@hans471]

FTs 10 arguments are not only wrong but also intrinsically weak and insufficient. if we e.g. concede the point that the Islamic ideology encourages people to think then this doesnt imply at all that Islam is true. There are many ideologies which encourage people to think such as e.g. atheism, buddhism or Judaism. According to FTs logic all these ideologies should be true (since they make people think). Of course this nonsense since these ideologies contradict each other. Hence FTs argument is flawed from the start and he should think probably a bit more about it 😄 The second problem with FTs arguments is that they are wrong. As AP pointed out Islamic encouragement to think is restricted to religious aspects and the outcome of this mental process is prescribed. This is a very narrow and restricted way to define the process of "thinking". It is not by accident that there are many more Jewish Nobel prize bearers than Muslim who won a Nobel prize... Etc...

[@potts995]

I bet about 0% of people in the audience changed their minds after this debate, but good job, you guys! 👍

[@jhljhl6964]

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully when it is from religious conviction." Blaise Pascal.

[@bwc1245]

He was a firm believer. Heavily influenced by the likes of zealous Church Fathers as St Augustine. So what exactly you are trying to prove is beyond me. I am sure that “religious” here just means “ideological” conviction. People do crazy stuff cheerfully for their ideology. Not only people of what we call “religion” and in his time the main conviction was obviously “religion” cause it was like the only thing around.

[@mohislam3041]

ISLAM is the true religion LOOK INTO ISLAM

[@renee5138]

But they who wait for the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings like eagles; they shall run and not be weary; they shall walk and not faint. Isaiah 40:31 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing. 1 Thessalonians 5:11 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and through the rivers, they shall not overwhelm you; when you walk through fire you shall not be burned, and the flame shall not consume you. Isaiah 43:2trustpromises It is the Lord who goes before you. He will be with you; he will not leave you or forsake you. Do not fear or be dismayed. Deuteronomy 31:8 😊💖💙🧡

[@MEGALEXXXANTHRO]

While he was still speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them; and suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.7 But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.” 8 When they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no one but Jesus only. 9 Now as they came down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”A Boy Is Healed 14 And when they had come to the multitude, a man came to Him, kneeling down to Him and saying, 15 “Lord, have mercy on my son, for he is an epileptic and suffers severely; for he often falls into the fire and often into the water. 16 So I brought him to Your disciples, but they could not cure him.” 17 Then Jesus answered and said, “O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you?

[@jananbarbar8335]

The Quran confused The virgin Mary with Miriam the sister of Moses ,Calling the mother of Jesus daughter of Imran and sister of Aaron ,Imran and Aaron his son lived 1000 years before the birth of Jesus.This is a major mistake.

[@bluerock9238]

The statement "O sister of Aaron"........was clearly giving the Virgin Mary a noble title to remind her of her pious lineage that she came from...... In the chapters of the Quraan mentioning Jesus or Mary or Moses or Aaron there is no mix up at all, the Quraan correctly narrates them in different eras Moses and Aaron were in the time of Pharaoh....... Mary and Jesus were in the time of Zakariya and the Roman rule of the time.... When we want to criticize Islam, we cannot have a go for every aspect, just for the sake of doing so...... We lose serious credibility

[@Christian_Conservative]

@@bluerock9238 no it does not; Quran states Mary daughter of Imran which Mary is not even from the tribe of Imran or Moses

[@bluerock9238]

@@Christian_Conservative Quote me the verse where it states: "Mary daughter of Imran....." ???

[@Christian_Conservative]

@@bluerock9238 easy quran 3:35

[@bluerock9238]

@@Christian_Conservative Ok, checked it..... Sorry I misunderstood I thought you were referring to the verse, that the OP above was talking about..... I thought you meant that someone referred to her as "Mary daughter of Imraan....." And not "Sister of Aaron".......

[@Irfan-zb7ye]

I think the reason Islam does not unequivocally encourage critical thinking is because it only permits us to exercise our intellectual faculties within the demarcations of the Islamic framework. So as a Muslim If i was to encounter novel information that contradicted my preconceptions I will be predisposed to regard that as false. This might perhaps just seem like a confirmation bias but given the fact that Islam is the absolute truth and seeks to eradicate all forms of doubt about its own foundations, any ideation which exceeds the bounds of Islam and which might potentially contradict it is obviously reprimanded or atleast met with extreme reluctance. Doubt is the basis of all reasoning. It seems to me to be irreconcilable how a religion that seeks to eradicate doubt and uncertainty and thereby instilling an intolerant attitude towards other traditions can hope to foster critical thinking since espousing a position that is infallible precludes you from doing so.

[@fl4a933]

SPOILER ALERT ⚠️ No Islam is not true.