Full Power Lasers for Night Vision (not worth it)

[@iDom215]

The fire pit killed the video… but I definitely got the message

[@shiftkings1028]

I actually thought it gave the video a cool effect

[@iDom215]

@@shiftkings1028 absolutely a great effort

[@DucatiGTS]

Great video, the reflection from the fire is really an issue though. But the your point is definitely made.

[@IncredulousIndividual]

I thought it was pretty cool.

[@turnitdowntyler]

On one setup Im using a Holosun LS321G and the IRL/IL is perfect for CQB distances; on another setup I’m running a Holosun LS117IR and a Surefire M340V connected with a Unity TAPS Sync and it's a pretty decent pairing. Holosun lasers in my experience are fairly clean, low bloom dots that can easily be seen out to 200. For the distances I'm shooting, the Surefire is enough illumination. I'm looking at the KIJI K1 3 degree for another setup as its illumination is damn good. If that is out of your budget then the LUNA ELIR IR Laser illuminator is probably the next best for the money.

[@thejohnhend]

You’ve got the goddamn coziest night range I’ve ever seen. Too fun.

[@fred_____5557]

Good video. I have the tlr vir 2, I like it for my first unit. Going to get more next year. Side note: that fire glare was a bit annoying but enjoyed the video overall.

[@tylertapp131]

Good stuff, been runnin a holoson ls221g dual laser in conjunction with a surefire scout 600 vampire dual fuel for almost 2 years now. It's worked out really good for my budget.

[@pototoy4514]

I have a Steiner 9007 IR laser/illuminator. The laser works great to 300 yards (+?), illuminator only "okay" to 100 yards. I only have 300 yards to shoot @ so a more powerful laser feel like overkill. Steiner laser paired with the surefire IR scout light, it works great for my range, the scout puts out a lot more IR illumination. Thanks for putting out helpful content as always guys, not everyone has thousands to throw around to buy gucci gear, but still shouldn't waste their money on crap.

[@nesoone178]

The Steiner 9007 is probably the best laser to go with in my opinion expecially for the price point., the atpial c isnt even that great in my opinion and I see no point in having a visible laser

[@ryaniam22]

So how can you shoot something at 300 if you can't see it? Don't you need the illuminator to work at 300? If so they it only works to 100. Still good. But I'd just buy a cheaper unit and save for a clip on thermal. They work way beyond 300. A single thermal saves a civilian a lot compared to all this night vision crap that still only works to 100 yards and makes you gun weigh double.

[@pototoy4514]

@ryaniam22 I have steel @ 300yds and the laser reflects off it making it more obvious I'm aiming at steel instead of a tree. My pvs14 is pretty decent and on clear nights, the illuminator isn't really necessary for larping around on the range.

[@turtlesoup7310]

As said before, the fire definitely killed the vid, maybe stand in front of it so it doesn't blow out the picture. it was hard to see the illumination. Also, slightly annoyed that this vid was on the page for the d2 but the d2 wasn't shown. Definitely was a great show of how much stronger a FP unit is tho.

[@casper3130]

I have a TLR-VIR which I bought for Regular Light and IR Illumination finding out the IR Illumination was only good for indoor use. I purchased an IR Cap lens for the Regular Light turning it into an IR Illumination light and it throws light out into the woods a lot better, can't even use it indoors. I've been meaning to check if there's a Regular light I can cap with the IR lens that has a IR laser.

[@lllllREDACTEDlllll]

PEQ-2 for life

[@petermartin7371]

The Holosun 321G Rocks!! BTW my Coyote Reaper XXL illuminator lights up the darkness at 800 yards in the AMAZING ATN LTV!! 🤠👌

[@bass779]

I got my Russian lasers for the same price as the Holosun equivalent; arrived 2 weeks after the order. Steiner's horrific QC convinced me to buy foriegn made, despite my normal preference for American made.

[@bass779]

That said, agree with your point that civi lasers are fine and the kiji seems like a good option for illum.

[@Rykeron]

How do you activate both at the same time? PERST can’t take the same switch I believe

[@bass779]

@@Rykeron They have a dual switch; KV-D3/2P is the nomenclature. It only works with the clunky ass Russian lights, but the IR was fine with NODs on a flat rifle range.

[@trailertrashtactics]

Great content. Dbal d2 has a very nice illuminator and can be purchased by anyone

[@MagicPrepper]

Thanks for the explanation!

[@Make-Asylums-Great-Again]

Went with a PERST and haven't looked back.

[@Unboxfulty]

What Perst & what color laser & illuminator?

[@eduardomartinez5357]

Nice fire pit placement

[@onpatrol819]

You can find full power units. Get a full power. Running two separate systems is cumbersome and un necessary. The illuminator is key. You spend the money on night vision spend the money to make your kit work best. Like buying a 6k nightvision and mounting it with a $100 Chinese mount.

[@charlesfrayer5988]

I want a night vision scope for Hogs.

[@Rykeron]

Laser unit +Kiji the best option other than a MAWL or Perst?

[@denniseagleberger9824]

Awesome equipment

[@joejoeseesingtons]

I want a MAWL

[@tylertapp131]

Dont we all lol

[@fluffyrider9467]

That fire fucked the entire video lol 😂

[@wwiireenacted]

Counterpoint, the civ IR lasers/illuminators will predominantly if not always get washed out by white light

[@MikailStoner]

That DBAL is almost embarrassing

[@allpraisetothemosthigh7770]

Nice rundown, thanks! New sub.

[@pointblanksolutions]

I will say I agreed with you completely until I went to a Hades Cunstulting night vision course. Myself and several other students struggled to see C zone steel targets past fifty meters. The guys with full power units crushed it. There was a decent amount of humidity along with dirt/dust in the air. Really changed my mind.

[@Will-W]

Good info to have. Question, were you using it on a rifle or pistol? And do you have any experience with the x400v? (I'm currently shopping so watching stuff like this)

[@rshinn8776]

Ive been eyeing that weltool ir head. How does it compare to an ex ir 250?

[@smokecreekstudio7320]

would have been nice if you told us MW output for each example

[@TATargets]

You hop out onto the range and memorize 75 specs for each product and be able to clearly communicate it on camera on the spot. It’s not easy man 🤣🤣🤣

[@smokecreekstudio7320]

@@TATargets not saying every spec matters but it would be nice to visualize each mw output to help people know what the power levels look like. just a thought

[@diyoregonnowtexas9202]

The fire makes it utterly impossible to get a true evaluation of the products. It must be done in total darkness.

[@meatsmudge5349]

Am I missing something? You did a video on IR based stuff… without showing the viewer what it looks like through NODs? I mean, I can take your word for it on what it looks like, but that’s not the point of a video.

[@MedRider]

i want a lightsaber laser

[@airborneivan]

I recently ordered a Perst-4 through Ivantactical. Shipped out of Russia. Took 8 days from the day I order it to the day I recieved it.

[@Rykeron]

How do you activate it with an ir illuminator?

[@airborneivan]

@@Rykeron I don't have an IR illuminator at the moment. I'm still waiting on my NVD to ship but once I get it I'm going to toy around with IR filters for my WML using a flip up scope cover. Currently researching all my options.

[@Unboxfulty]

@@airborneivan how’s the texting? I’m also Thinking about getting the Perst 4 . Just not sure if I should get the green or red laser and what illuminator to use with it for my 10.3” mk18

[@airborneivan]

@@Unboxfulty not sure it matters between the green and red laser. You're really only using it for daytime zeroing. As for the IR , it's very bright. So bright that it will illuminate a 12' × 15' room. Good thing you can adjust the brightness. One thing I don't like is that there's a "halo" you get when using it under NODS. I'm not entirely sure why. There's a guy that makes a diffuser for it but haven't tried it. Not sure about illuminators but I'm just running a Streamlight Protac RM2 and carry an IR filter in my gear. Doesn't work well outdoors but it seems to work well indoors in extreme low light areas which is all I need it for. As of now I'm very happy with it.

[@HenrikSherwood]

And you live in the US? I want a perst but I'm worried about customs.

[@juansimon5802]

civilian class lasers are fine,u dont need a full power because ur not gonna be painting targets for air assets or the other things the military need them for. the civi ones are fine and u dont have to worry about frying peoples eyes because ur not trained up on them like an operator would be.

[@yungshootasmokedope69420]

they still should be available for citizens

[@deejc04]

I mean it isn't that hard to know how not to shine an IR laser into someone's retinas lol

[@tylerxi3828]

Full-power IR laser=bad because ouch eye, noT An OpErAtoR Civ IR laser=good because I want to safely point a laser AIMING module MOUNTED ON A GUN at my pals face

[@robertpagel8951]

Agreed Juan. The laser isn't the issue its the ir illuminator that could have more power. My holosun 117 ir laser can reach 200 yards no problem.

[@Make-Asylums-Great-Again]

You have no idea what training people have.

[@thatoneguy454c]

Lol yeah, let's make a video filmed with night vision, but let's make sure we are standing next to a fire so it's all blown out.

[@forestnfren8146]

What is going on with the lighting in this video? lensflare go brrrrrrrrrrt

[@adamuslignus]

Huh, interesting...

[@hiram556mzenxmshouldnaumum6]

WTH!! Your fire pit is screwing with your video 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@HarryPaul-jp5xt]

Be Good for Hog Hunting !

[@kaisercollins3097]

Civilian lazers are drastically too weak on the illumination side to be functionally useful

[@TATargets]

Lasers: yes. Illuminators: it depends. LED illuminators are potent, civie versions not so much

[@combatsolutionsgroup2021]

Lmao you think somone should have paid you for that content?

[@yungshootasmokedope69420]

Next time please don’t use a fire.

[@Leodigarius]

You can get full balls to the wall 50mw DBAL i2's or A3's for 700-1300 all over right now. At that price, it's hard to accept any argument about combining a Kiji with your choice of laser. Shit, I even have a couple machine guns that have death star lasers that are 500mw, and those scare the shit out of me. Still, you don't need to spend 5-7k on a FP Wilcox RaidXe or MAWL DA, just get a FP DBAL and you're good. Laser based illumination will always be superior to LED. With low laser and high illuminator on my DBAL i2, it is more than functional and perfect for blasting hogs or shooting on a flat range at distance. If those deals do dry up, I agree that a Kiji or Weltool IR head with whatever laser you want are the way to go. Also, never buy a civilian PEQ15, they are dogshit.

[@TATargets]

We run currently almost entirely DBAL D-2's for the reason's you have stated. The Civie power lasers don't bother us. The D2 is chunky, but at least has potent illumination.