Full Self Driving Test (Light Rail Tracks & Jay-Walkers)

[@DarkNemesis25]

Honestly, as a driver brand new to this area, I've never seen this intersection before, I feel like its driving faaaaaaar better than I would trying to figure out where I can and cannot drive. I'd be slowing down trying to figure out the signs and where the gps is trying to route me. Super impressive

[@jochem2710]

Yeah, but you would never accelerate in front of pedestrians, would you? That's the thing I'm worried about most. Sometimes it just acts really strange which could lead to very dangerous situations.

[@jkev1425]

I thought the same 😂

[@LionheartLivin]

GREAT POINT!!!;)

[@radicalrick9587]

*_People have to remember that this Tesla Team is improving the FSD all over the world at the same time! Not just this area. Then you realize just how massive and impressive this FSD project really is!_*

[@AIAddict]

Really great point right here

[@yash1152]

what's FSD??

[@radicalrick9587]

@@yash1152 Full Self Driving

[@yash1152]

@@radicalrick9587 ohkay, thanks for info (:

[@SuperBartet]

And it's still to dangerous to use.

[@groccy]

So happy to see these huge improvements on the railroad tests. The FSD beta 10.8 also brings lots of improvements on many fronts for me. Unquestionably impressed by this rate of progress. Kudos to the Tesla team!

[@123tabos123]

Another great video guys! Awesome to see you’re finally seeing some success with those pesky railroad tracks!! Your video was a lot more balanced with the interaction of your passenger. Keep up the great content. Thanks!!

[@AIAddict]

Hi Dan, I appreciate your comment. Glad you liked this weeks content :)

[@nickfosterxx]

Well. As a somewhat jaded viewer of more FSD videos than might be good for me, this was about as close to genuinely exciting as it's been for a *very* long time. Thank you! ; )

[@Octamed]

Now all the media outlets who did a super cut of your previous versions failing can show this video!... wait, they won't, I forgot how click bait works.

[@mimmipiggast2243]

Wow! I have seen your car on the tracks so many times but today it mailed it. Great to see. Thanks for putting all these videos out.

[@AIAddict]

You’re welcome Mimmi! I appreciate it.

[@marcellusdiocletian2487]

It's getting better and better

[@lorenzolafayettequadri5275]

You get fined for driving on bus-only lanes in Italy. It still need some improvement on that

[@Mrjangoo]

It feels like we have been grinding for weeks, and now we finally see the result.. Keep up the awesome video’s!

[@allenbaylus3378]

and like last time it almost ran people over. last time the pedestrian crossing at the one light with the cross walk lite in his favor and this time some people in the walk way in the intersection. It was odd how it slowed down at first then started to pick up speed. That reminded me of this- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWevkpuqp92Jnsk

[@ashwyze]

I feel like you should have weather and time/light stats on each of these. For example was the Wells Fargo sign because it wasn't lit up as brightly due to the light/time of day/cloud cover?

[@benjaminaltman5761]

This is the first FSD v8 video that has shown significant improvements over previous versions without sacrificing in another area. Wonder if updated maps is 100% responsible vs car's own AI? Great work guys and thanks again for the data points. Keeping hope alive.

[@AIAddict]

Do you know if 10.8 included updated maps? It was my previous understanding the maps haven’t been updated since Nov 2020?

[@benjaminaltman5761]

Not sure about map updating, just my own take.

[@emman100]

Oh wow. Nice! 🤝 I am really impressed with version 10.8. It handled all those right-hand turns much better than it did in previous iterations. I think the future is finally here. 😁

[@AIAddict]

We’re getting closer!

[@baab4229]

I was arguing with someone on youtube that FSD will be pretty much better than humans within the next 5 years and with every software update I am more and more confident in that.

[@moeali12345]

Good job guys. Still not 100%, but a major improvement on railroad track avoidance and other issues.

[@AIAddict]

I agree. It did a remarkably good job of improvement compared to previous versions but still have other things that could use work / improvement.

[@simon6071]

So the problems that happened in a previous video have been fixed by Tesla programmers. They did a good job but I used to think the self-driving cars can learn from its mistakes that have been corrected by the testers when they disengaged FSD Beta to drive manually.

[@officialyasir]

I like the camera view! Keep up the great work!

[@AIAddict]

Thank you! Will do :)

[@amalxavier5102]

Really I wasn't hoping to be this improved because of all the previous bad versions,now I have hope

[@AIAddict]

I couldn’t agree more with this statement

[@mariusm62]

Watching many FSD Beta videos I see that in this city there are a lot of non standard road markings. That pedestrian crossing where it failed to stop was such a case, using a marking that I haven't seen anywhere else.

[@rollingthunderinho]

also if they didn't intervene teslas collision avoidance software which is separate from autopilot would have abruptly stopped the vehicle

[@ken-mb5cp]

Nice progress. FSD killin it!

[@michelvosje]

I've just watched your Beta 8.2 + Beta 9.2 + Beta 10 videos where you tested that same turn at 06:30 and I'm amazed how it has improved in these versions. Can you keep doing this? Testing out specific traffic situations across multiple versions and demonstrate how it improves over time?

[@AIAddict]

Certainly! Just need to find a new edge case now :P

[@GdaySport]

Massive improvement IMO. Still, I am surprised that it does not yet see / interpret other vehicles indicating (like the bus at 7:17). I would have thought it should be able to now and would make a massive difference in anticipating situations in traffic.

[@robbiero368]

I think your route has shown the most improvement by far

[@EoRdE6]

Solid improvement, and yielding to "jaywalkers" is a good move because in a dense city you should expect people to want to cross the street without walking half a mile to the nearest intersection... It's not like that person was walking across a highway, they were walking across a 1 lane one-way street...

[@sddndsiduae4b-688]

i would not call that "solid" 5:50 running pedestrian is not detected, even if not detection fault pedestrians on the left should have forced FSD to stop(more important that is special place for them to walk across the road, and seems that is also not recognised).

[@thomasreese2816]

One issue at a time. I feel like we're closing in on 50% of drives being completely issue free, after only a year. I fully expect it be perfect for 90-98% of drives within the next year.

[@Xanthopteryx]

What world are you living in? The videos out there of this is SOOOO limited in what areas and what weather and what traffic they are recorded in.

[@wattlebough]

@@Xanthopteryx As compared to Waymo?

[@datpmf]

@@Xanthopteryx Exactly. If each city was made from the same exact template and all the scenarios would be known. Although I'm excited by the technology and generally impressed, there are many judgements that a human agent can assess more rationally, given the circumstances, call it empathy or whatever. Also, it's so goddamn stressful and I can't imagine a control freak losing their shit even if it is going relatively smoothly.

[@Xanthopteryx]

@@wattlebough has a set area that it works in. And there it works. No human driver. Truly autonomous. Level 4.

[@Xanthopteryx]

@@datpmf Yes, the tech is cool, but Tesla does not handle it well at all. And now a bunch of companies are doing autonomous vehicles in different stages and areas. Waymo is one of the most known, but we also have Mobileye, BYD, Xpeng, Volvo, Mercedes, ..and many many more. We have since many years back an some autonomous buses here in Sweden that are used to learn more about how it works, and how it does not work. And there are trucks on the way too that will drive certain stretches autonomously. Tesla has done a lot of nice things, and was previously ahead in many areas. Now they are falling behind, both when it comes to BEV in general but also this AI stuff. People have no idea of what it takes to have a computer drive a car, and that is sad because this is why people believe in all the bullshit that Elon and company comes out with in Twitter and other areas. Everyone that paid huge amount of money for a so called Full Self Driving Tesla, thinking it will be Level 4 (let alone Level 5 - just forget it - WILL NOT HAPPEN!) have been scammed. Big time. But Tesla got some money for it. See it as a donation for tech research. You are onto something interesting there with how human handles things. It is really Really REALLY amazing how the brain works (NO! Machine learning/AI does NOT work as the brain, nor does ANY neural network in the computer world - not even close! - There are similarities but then it ends). You see a car on the side. HOW on earth do you know that it is a parked car that you should go around? You see a person walking at the side of the road. HOW do you know the person is not going over the road now? You see a speed limit sign "80 km/h" and you are like... naaa... it is around 40 or 50 km/h here. Not 80. That sign is wrong/fraud/fake. The speed sign is totally covered in snow and you are like "Probably around 80-90 km/h on this road" You see a STOP sign dressed as Santa, and yet.. you know it is a STOP sign. You see a stop sign on the side of the road and you are like, no way - that is someone just fooling around. Not a valid stop sign. Snow and rime covers a lot a traffic direction sign (with names and other information on, so you know where to go). Only parts of the letters and words are visible. Yet, you probably know what most of it says. (just like this image: sarcasticresonance.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/moby_top_0-5.png ) You see a completely new sign with symbol on, and you probably know what it means... Take this bunch of Swedish warning traffic sign as an example. I bet you roughly understand most of them (if not all?): www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/vagtrafik/Vagmarken/Varningsmarken/ But... HOW?! How on earth does this work?! How is this possible in our brain? I am REALLY, VERY, intrigued by this!

[@frederickwalker3920]

Great improvement! Thanks for the continuous updates!

[@somboonekgasit6806]

Incredible improvement from the last version. Great test!

[@MidSpike]

I just want to say that the Tesla is driving better than I would in that city. It looks like the traffic engineers were drunk designing that city

[@Robin-es3os]

first time I was impressed by fsd beta is the very first version of it, after that 10.8 takes the cake imo. This is amazing progress.

[@narayanismysoul]

Finally it proves that it is learning and very impressive improvements.

[@AIAddict]

Quite impressive improvements from 10.6 without a doubt!

[@capser86]

Jeez, they are really improving fast. 10.8 really shows L5 is possible

[@burnie773]

Wow !!!!! Go tesla you beautiful thing . Thanks guys and keep them coming .

[@MarkShihadeh]

Very cool improvements, thanks for making these videos!

[@101gameingcheats]

That was really impressive

[@ashkonj]

Amazing!

[@emman100]

Agreed.

[@lucadellasciucca967]

slowly but surely, it s an inevitability!

[@kentaroyamada8505]

This is awesome! Thank you!

[@christopherkui3141]

This is insane

[@duy3b]

I am glad that Tesla fixed the railroad problems. Awesome!! Way to go Tesla FSD Team!!!!

[@265chemic]

Nice - positive progress!!

[@aladdin8623]

Again a top video, showing both sides of the development unlike many other channels. To people, who compare waymo with tesla. You can not compare a condition of prescanned maps, clean structured streets and prepared routes etc. with a system, which tries to tackle even unknown territories, non precalculated situations and also bad weather.

[@drtamiz]

That was an awesome improvement to see. Let's just hope it doesn't get regressed next update lol

[@AIAddict]

If this regresses, I will be a very sad man

[@fly-fpv]

That's crazy how many improvements beta .8 has

[@Slebonson]

wow that car drives better than me!

[@paulmeynell8866]

That’s awesome

[@tiptoucher3694]

I think it did better because of the scooter that happen to be thrown on the ground on the sidewalk. It might have seen that as debris and biased its route.

[@AIAddict]

I considered this as well after reviewing the footage in edit. But it does a decent job on similar turns without the scooters too.

[@hanspetterbieker2962]

Currently it does not visualize bike lines in a special way, but it would be good if it did to make it clear that it is not going to drive there. Also, when crossing the bike line at 1:17 it should it the turn indicator. It should also visualize bus lanes.

[@drebob1762]

That was impressive

[@digitaldreamer8637]

Excellent progress on those scenarios. Yet in some scenarios it has regressed. (Unprotected lefts) Hopefully progress continues over the coming year. 👍🏼

[@emman100]

Agreed.

[@sddndsiduae4b-688]

also 5:50: not detecting running pedestrian, not stopping for pedestrians from the left, probably not detecting crosswalk at all.

[@povilaszizliauskas7815]

Just wondering, how fsd would act in other countries outside usa

[@LionheartLivin]

GREAT TEST GUYS THANKS!!!;) Question for ya, I'm thinking FSD 12-13 will be the point where FSD is about as good as the average driver+-5%, which means abOOt 1-1.5 years. What do U guys think???

[@AIAddict]

I could possibly stand behind this statement. My personal opinion has always thought Level 4 by 2024/2025

[@LionheartLivin]

@@AIAddict Thanks!!!;)

[@MatthewNguyen90]

Even though it turned into the bus lane with the rail road track turn, I feel like that’s perfectly acceptable ? As a driver I always turn right into the lane closest to me. Then I change lanes after. Turning into a further lane I feel is more dangerous.

[@DerKatzeSonne]

Not really, as a driver knowing that area, you’d directly choose the correct lane immediately. And I bet, Tesla is going to add reading of "bus lane only" road markings at some point, thus fixing this, anyways.

[@MrAronymous]

As a driver you're supposed to watch where you're heading. You're also supposed to know if it's a single or double turn lane so you never accidentally take the outer lane from an inner turn lane and push someone off the road..

[@opmike343]

This is exactly the problem. Autonomous driving isn't like trying to solve a game of chess. There's basic "rules of the road" however there's multiple areas through every town where these "rules" can change on the fly, or there's some quirk in layout (bus lanes) that requires adaptation.

[@wattlebough]

Are you hitting the report button each time you have to take over? It’s so important in helping train the neural network.

[@lawsnewton]

Nice

[@MahdiyarSaberi]

I did my video in downtown walnut creek 10.6.1 was way bettr on the 10.8 I just posted a video it ran a red light, did a very aggressive turn to avoid a fire truck in the lane, the turns are not smooth enough and gets very close to the curb do you suggest any autopilot settings should I be on assertive also chill or sport for acceleration I have a 2021 model 3 performance my other problem was I had the speed 5 over so on autopilot it was doing 30 in a 25 and that's not good over going into freeway it went 60 in a 30 turn and doesn't slow down well, takes really long to take some turns that don't have lines or great visibility Im still getting used to trusting it but I'm ready to take over at any moment

[@jorgesmith2000]

Nice 👍

[@ConnectedConnor]

Is the top video feed from a camera mounted on the outside of the car on top, or is it the autopilot camera video from dashcam?

[@AIAddict]

I have a camera mounted outside the car. The autopilot camera is too low quality of resolution to use.

[@litestuffllc7249]

if those had been school buses would it have seen a difference? If it had the stop sign out - would it have stopped? Maybe you can follow some school buses after class and see?

[@AIAddict]

This is a very good test! I’ll try it out

[@duydo5729]

Did I see it wrong? Your Tesla FSD did NOT stop at the stop sign @6:40 ? Well, it actually stopped at the same location second attempt @8:56

[@AIAddict]

That stop sign is for right turning traffic only. There is an underground parking garage that you can access if you cross over the light rails tracks. The stop sign is only for if you’re entering the parking garage so that you check for trains first.

[@thomasjacques5286]

Impressive, question if I rent FSD on my next road trip in our 2020 Model Y, will it perform like the BETA minus the sexy graphics, or is the subscription FSD something else? Thanks

[@AIAddict]

Subscription FSD (without Early Access Program / Beta) will only enable stoping / starting at red lights and stop signs. And FSD will work while traveling in a straight line on well lane marked roadways The current subscription will not allow your vehicle to make any turns, follow navigation nor will it turn at forks in the road. Meaning it will work, but you will have to manually take over for all turns and forks. FSD Subscription will not work on suburb streets with no lane markings.

[@Pspet]

I would like to know how the fsd copes with countries that you can't find a road with lines even if you go looking for it, if it's not a main road lol

[@AIAddict]

Works great in these situations. I’ve used FSD on dirt field roads on ranches / wineries with no problems. Seems to determine a road edge then average where the car should be.

[@Yosuf06]

the video from outside and the inside they don't sync perfectly. i hope you make it better. for me. i don't think FSD well be better in the city. many factor will make it not perfect. i prefer FSD in road tripe and highways. thank you for the video and the effort.

[@DanaOredson]

Ugh, so impatient to get the beta. I feel like my 2018 model 3 is excluded for some reason.

[@AIAddict]

What HW do you have? 2.5 or 3?

[@DanaOredson]

@@AIAddict 3. I had it upgraded in may 2020

[@eruveo]

The delay between the cameras is very disturbing.

[@shaneharden8253]

What mose of FSD are you using? I have been using CHILL and it seems a lot better.

[@AIAddict]

Assertive.

[@float32]

Didn’t it change into the inner lane, mid turn, at 2:42? Super impressive though.

[@DontThinkSo11]

Nah, it was already in the innermost turn lane. The angle is confusing and makes the line look like it's guiding you to the middle lane, but it actually does guide you to the leftmost lane.

[@peppage]

Wouldn't mind seeing a comparison with Comma AI. I don' think anyone has really compared yet

[@AIAddict]

Comma AI can only really operate comparable to Autopilot not FSD Beta but I can try and do as much as a comparisons as possible.

[@treborg777]

If you drive the same route a second time, does FSD work better, I.e., is the vehicle software learning?

[@AIAddict]

IMO, it’s not learning in real time but from version to version. Idk though.

[@RubenKelevra]

5:50 well, the car showed that it wanted to drive up to the line in front of the pedestrian crossing. So it wasn't really accelerating, just reducing the deceleration. But I guess that's hard to distinguish. :) From the visual it looked fine what the car planned to do.

[@AIAddict]

Visually it slowed down. Physically my passenger and I felt a sudden jolt in power and I instantly hit the brake without thinking. May have just maintained current speed until lane line but that may have alarmed the pedestrians. Who knows.

[@RubenKelevra]

@@AIAddict yeah. But I think it may just be the fact that you already experienced in the past that it had trouble detecting a pedestrians in one test drive. So in an abundance of caution you deactivated the system instead of let that play out :)

[@innermist]

AI Addict how long do you think until full level 5 autonomy ?

[@AIAddict]

My personal opinion & hope is level 4 by 2024/2025

[@paulmeynell8866]

With more drivers Collecting data ,and when they get the new AI computers online processing all the date Improvements will speed up exponentially . Although I keep seeing more things and wondering how the car would deal with a problem ,which we would just solve immediately. Like traffic lights out or hand signals or even someone in the road watching a truck back out of somewhere. Just so many possible things that can happen! But it is an awesome journey.

[@AIAddict]

I’m absolutely enjoying the journey. Can’t wait to see how it improves over the next year

[@markumbers5362]

Is DOJO up and running yet or are these improvements just coming from the team of human labellers?

[@AndreB23]

Dojo isn't up yet, but they do have a supercomputer up and running that helps with auto-labelling.

[@AIAddict]

The majority is done by Human labelers. Dojo is not live yet.

[@Floris82]

Love to visit the US one day and rent a car. But looking at these roads... I might wait a couple of years and rent a Tesla with FSD. I would be stressed most of the time driving myself.

[@AIAddict]

San Jose has horrible city planning / civil engineers. The majority of cities / towns in the USA are not as confusing :)

[@scottgaree7667]

@@AIAddict Fairly common in metro areas, especially where light rail has been retrofitted into existing byways or capacity has been expanded in any way possible on very old rights of way. Even downtown Dallas has some pretty crazy intersections, despite being relatively new. Trying to map what you're seeing onto even a great GPS display can be challenging. Will be great to just go hands off, "OK car, you do it!" :-)

[@saeedahmad3748]

HI, How can we get that FSD Beta????

[@AIAddict]

Own a Tesla, have FSD purchased and get a safety score of 98+

[@saeedahmad3748]

@@AIAddict Yes I had FSD. Do I have to maintain 98+ score for day, week or months ?

[@gentlestorm]

It did try to kill pedestrians at one point... but lets hope the improvement continues.

[@TheRajmoney]

Roads aren't made for auto pilot. They need to upgrade roads with sensors for cars.

[@SuperBartet]

It did not stop at a stop sign, it was crawling forwards. As it takes corners it's wobbling about unsure where to go. Oh that was so stressful to watch, I lost count of how many times you had to take control. NO way would I want to use that, so much easier and more fun to drive yourself.

[@VipinAbraham]

👌👌☀️

[@credera]

Robotaxi Level 5 earliest 2030

[@thecliff4838]

Why do you keep calling these "railroad tracks"? They are "light rail tracks", meaning they run on existing streets and have different signage.

[@AIAddict]

I’m not the brightest 😅

[@yannickschmid1608]

Car from the future driving through third world country infrastructure :D

[@ChrisLeiter]

I can understand letting the car figure out steering and braking, but why ‘beta drivers’ are so hesitant to tap acceleration to encourage clear intersection interaction is beyond me. It needs to learn.

[@AIAddict]

It learns from Human labelers not from the way I drive sadly

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

anyone who would use this in Ghetto DT SJ has some lose screws IMO - still garbage imo

[@jeffufcfanaticrosenberg]

TESLA will never beat WAYMO - look at all the COMPARISONS - WAYMO kills this garbage hands down

[@connelly6375]

this does not seem ethical doing this testing on the general public with untrained randos behind the wheel

[@AIAddict]

Untrained random behind the wheel, I can agree with. Luckily, I’ve been trained and happen to be employed in the Full Self Driving Field.

[@connelly6375]

@@AIAddict good to know, too bad the rest of the beta program is not as trained as you are

[@Xanthopteryx]

Creeps forward into keep clear area, tries to turn right on red on No turn right on red, goes into a bus only lane: "That was great!" ....

[@benjaminwinrow9620]

Selectively picks the few instances to highlight how they don’t understand how difficult a problem this is and how quickly it’s being solved… ‘You’re intelligent’

[@Xanthopteryx]

@@benjaminwinrow9620 In what way is it resolved? Updated maps? The car understands that it should not go on the tracks? (Spoiler alert: The car does not understand a shit...)

[@Daniel-Kramer]

@@Xanthopteryx if the car doesn't understand shit how come it can already handle 99% of scenarios just fine?

[@Xanthopteryx]

@@Daniel-Kramer It cant handle 99% of all scenarios just fine. It can only handle a small part of them.

[@Daniel-Kramer]

@@Xanthopteryx 99% of the duration of these videos is with no intervention. The 1% is where the car would have murdered you if you don't intervene