The Multiverse Goblin: Secret Wars' New Villain

[@FullFatVideos]

Hi guys, so as a few of you know I had to reupload this from Friday after there was a slight syncing issue. Those of you that are here again A) thank you for a second click! I know you may have already seen it but I would really appreciate a full second watch, as I'm expecting this to be a little hobbled in the algorithm now. This video could use all the help it can get! B) enjoy the new added section on Harry Osborn and the Phantom Goblin! :)

[@CJ-ln5ov]

You’re welcome! I intended to watch it on Friday, but when it was taken down, I thought I was crazy because from my perspective, it was just erased from existence.

[@HarryPeppy]

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[@spideyscorner]

I love the fact that out of every villain toms spiderman has faced between vulture and Thanos, the goblin was the one to push him to his limits

[@ellisr.kinnear164]

The decision to make Norman Osborne the guy who ruined two separate Spider-Men's lives was genuis. The decision ot make it the DaFoe Goblin? Utterly genius

[@FullFatVideos]

Let’s make it a hat trick !

[@markgundle4150]

Well yeah. For my money, I wholeheartedly approve that they didn't even try to find a MCU Green Goblin when - between the multiverse opening up, the nostalgia wave hitting its peak, and Willem being available - the perfect template was right there.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

​@@markgundle4150thanos is better

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

He didn't ruin tobeys life

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

​@@FullFatVideosthanos is best

[@Jdne199311]

William was firing on all pistons in both films, a rare thing for an Actor.

[@m3tr0id86]

To be perfectly honest, if there is a Marvel and DC crossover, I can guarantee you that. Defoe would be able to do the Joker and Green Goblin roles with equally potent and unique roles for the two characters. There is a video where Nicholas Cortez, a phenomenal voice actor that gives you an idea of what it would be like.

[@arcqui4461]

The fact that the "best" MCU vilains is for something that is not from the MCU....is pretty concerning to me.

[@samuelmackenzie5267]

I’m bored of Thanos. Especially with Willem returning as green goblin. Definitely a favourite, and the costume was improved to perfection.

[@鄧焯文]

Robert Downey Jr tony stark aka iron Man to William Dafoe norman osborn aka green goblin: so you are the one who destroyed my students life

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

Thanos being Marvel’s Darkseid and Green Goblin being Marvel’s Joker is actually the perfect description of both of these characters.

[@tharetsku]

Welp, I disagree. They kind of fill the same slot in a sense, but at the same time they are as different as they are alike.

[@bennett4789]

green goblin was always just the secret lovechild of the joker and lex luthor. kinda like how spider-man is just a young superman who swings around with gadgets like batman 😂

[@ДимчоДимов-ж7е]

Darkseid is not a simp.

[@obi_dean]

well, without darkseid, you have nothing to base your character on.

[@sizar9003]

I think Carnage is more like Marvel’s Joker, or if you’re ultimate nerd you can say it’s Madcap

[@joaquinwaters1810]

Okay… that King Goblin idea for Secret Wars is absolutely perfect, and I also like the idea of TASM Harry being his henchman/surrogate son. This needs to happen.

[@FullFatVideos]

Cheers! I was expecting some rebuttals on battleworld Goblin 😂

[@AndrewCereijo]

Thats the best idea I've ever heard, gave me goosebumps too, Marvel Studios should listen to this

[@joaquinwaters1810]

@@FullFatVideos Oh it’s perfect. The Goblin as the ultimate force of evil and chaos in the multiverse…sign me up, especially if Raimi is directing Secret Wars like the rumors are saying

[@joloarpia866]

how about Willem DAFOE wearing Iron Man 3's Iron Patriot Suit in Secret Wars?

[@gogetavsvegito]

Dafoe IS the green goblin just as much as RDJ is Ironman

[@filipvadas7602]

1. Even though Venom is Peter's most popular foil/rival , a lot of people forget that the Green Goblin was and always will be Peter's greatest *enemy* . He is his opposite in every way, someone who respects but also hates what Spiderman represents, something he could never be, because he no longer wants to. 2. One of my favorite scenes in No Way Home was when Tom Holland's Peter's spider sense started going off in the apartment, revealing that he had sensed the Goblin take over Norman. Mind you, Tom Holland's Peter had only a brief interaction with the Goblin and both Sandman and Electro , who are more powerfull, were in the same room. And yet, his spider sense registered the Goblin as such a *massive threat* that it all but forced him to acknowledge him. 3. William Dafoe was and still is absolute perfect casting. He and Alfred Molina jumped right back into their roles like they never even left.

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

Nah GG is definitely more popular and beloved. People know venom, but they don't think he's peter's greatest foil or enemy. However, on that note, I definitely think that there's more of an argument for Doc Ock being peter's greatest enemy considering he... yknow... killed him.

[@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT]

NWH sucks.

[@henrygambles3652]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868I guess but I’ve always considered the Goblin to be his arch enemy because of what he has done to Peter, I mean killing Gwen Stacy,being the first villain to figure out his identity, what he’s done to MJ and Aunt May, Otto isn’t a saint but any means but Doctor Octopus is methodical not needlessly cruel, the Goblin on the other hand is, he wants to break Spider-Man and corrupt him!

[@tentonmotto6779]

@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Stan Lee himself said that Doc Ock is Spider-Man's greatest enemy, but the Green Goblin is Peter Parker's greatest enemy. If you think about it, that's precisely the case. Otto never cared about Peter personally, he just wanted his idea of Doc Ock to triumph over the idea of Spider-Man. Osborn is the opposite, he does not really care what Spider-Man represents, he just wants to ruin the person who stood up to him. Otto challenged Spider-Man to the brink of his external capacity and Norman challenged Peter's morality to its limit.

[@henrygambles3652]

@@tentonmotto6779Well also that and Doc Ock has limits, he’s not needlessly evil whilst The Green Goblin is and has done far more damage to Spider-Man than Ock will ever do, Goblin was the first villain to figure out who Spider-Man was, has threatened people just to hurt Peter, tortured Peter emotionally and physically and that’s not even mentioning the people close to Peter who the Goblin killed all because it hurts him! The Green Goblin is to Spider-Man what the Joker is to Batman!

[@yujiro121]

William defoe is most definitely one of the best actors to play a villain ever. I can't think of many performances that compare or are outright better.

[@dead.inside.585]

Michael Fassbender as Magneto is also my favorite

[@yujiro121]

@@dead.inside.585 He's pretty good too I almost forgot about him

[@wyattlundrigan4740]

I’d say heath ledgers joker is comparable for sure.

[@yujiro121]

He was a good joker but unfortunately due to his passing I can't say his overall performance compares

[@GhostRydr1172]

So many kudos to Dafoe for NOT phoning in this performance. I may have been beyond done with the MCU at that point but his reprisal of the role was one of that movie's strongest points.

[@singletona082]

Same. The spiderman movies have what the MCU at large lacks. Heart.

[@Danton1990]

Thanos is the hero of his story. He feels he is in the right in what he is doing. Green Goblin has no right; he has no inner sense of morality that he is opining to. He only loves power. Masterful video!

[@FullFatVideos]

Thank you!

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

He is Spidey's version of the devil. The ultimate evil personified.

[@AgtShadowWalker]

I personally would love to see the Hobgoblin introduced into the MCU. Although people don't fully remember what happened during the events of No Way Home, there are still news recordings and footage of certain events. Perhaps someone gets inspired by the Green Goblin, and starts to emulate what they've seen. It's not a perfect replication, but it's enough. And of course, we never actually find out who it is under the mask.

[@henrygambles3652]

NGL I was thinking the same thing, My idea is that Spider-Man starts interfering in the affairs of a crime boss named Roderick Kingsley, Kingsley having already collected Osborn’s tech and watching the final battle of NWH(maybe from a camera from Peter’s suit!),decides to become the Hobgoblin, using the Green Goblin’s tech and iconography as a fear tactic just as much as a tool,however Kingsley isn’t insane, he’s just calculated,sadistic and ruthless, maybe he even goes a step further and collects the villains Peter has fought in the MCU(besides Vulture) and forms the Sinister Six

[@thedraconianviking1185]

I like the idea of a “Goblin Cult” similar to the gang inspired by Jerome in Gotham after his initial appearance. Not one Goblin, but several all committing acts of terror and violence all because they can.

[@VisForVindetta]

My thought was Goblin destroyed an unnamed military facility in the MCU after he got teleported there (likely looking for Oscorp) and in concept art it's revealed through Normans hoodie it was a HAMMER facility. I think it would be cool to have Armor Wars start with the Goblin attack as the catalyst for the show, starting the arms race to create the Thunderbolts as the sort of Dark Avengers once they see how horribly they were outmatched. Just have a scene or two of Goblin blowing up some hangars, maybe raiding a lab or two. I think it would start off the show really well.

[@AxisChurchDevotee]

In the comics Ned is hobgoblin and Ned said he wouldn't become a supervillain and try to kill Peter sooooo

[@AgtShadowWalker]

@@AxisChurchDevotee True, but I think that was retconned at some point to actually be another character. Also, it was kinda stupid and nobody really liked it. (That I know of)

[@samuelbahij4878]

*SPOILER for No Way Home* The Goblin v Spider-Man fight in the hotel in No Way Home is one of the best fight/action scenes in the MCU. The tension began building before the fighting even started because Peter sensed a malevolent presence in the room but took a minute to realize it was the Goblin. Then it quickly got out of hand with Aunt May right there so she's in danger raising the stakes, and we saw Holland's Spidey fight Goblin with a desperate ferocity that we'd never seen from him before, yet *still* he was decisively beaten. The fight choreography, fx, and stunt-work were all strong here, you felt the impacts of their punches (which is more than can be said for a lot of superhero fights) especially when Spidey jumps onto Goblin starts rapidly punching him in the face over and over, and when Goblin laughs maniacally in response Spidey freezes for a moment in fear of just realizing how much stronger his foe is. And Aunt May was killed in the end which tops it all off with an emotional gut punch.

[@darkevilazn]

I agree. It was more than just a fight of power levels and all that stuff. It was a philosophical fight, where the stakes were not physical, but purely emotional and spiritual.

[@mckinniesmovies3598]

It wasn’t a hotel at was a condo

[@God-Level-Threat]

I prefer Goblin alot more then Thanos. My biggest problem with Endgame is they kill the Thanos that did all the things on Infinity War that hurt the characters. The new Thanos doesnt have a real connection to the characters.

[@bluesbest1]

"You took everything from me." "I don't even know who you are." This exchange encapsulates it perfectly. This Thanos, Gamora, Nebula, and the other four lacked the fairly rich history with the Avengers and Guardians that the original ones did and it honestly feels kinda flat. Like, the characters aren't just cardboard cutouts to be interchanged at will.

[@RickReasonnz]

Endgame was a big step back from Infinity War.

[@juannaym8488]

He was also dressed dumb

[@hazman5528]

@@RickReasonnzno it fucking wasn’t. Endgame is close in quality even if infinity war is slightly better

[@RickReasonnz]

@@hazman5528 It snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

[@ThePonderer]

EY WE BACK. I love the way No Way Home makes Dafoe’s Goblin just as effective a nemesis for Tom’s Peter as he was for Tobey’s, and expands on his Might Makes Right, “morality is for losers” philosophy which I thought went underserved in the first Raimi film.

[@indianajones4321]

It would also be cool to see the Goblin as Norman Osborn follow the Dark Reign story where he forms the Dark Avengers to help push heroes to embody their worst selves in order to do good.

[@coopahtroopah1175]

Oh man… I’m not gonna lie, having a dedicated face off between Garfield’s Spider-Man and Dafoe’s Goblin really does seem like an awesome idea. Same with Secret Wars. I highly doubt it would ever happen, but good grief I think Full Fat is on to something awesome

[@MontrellPitts-j7r]

I mean if he doesn't fight him and Garfield's Spider-Man ends up being the only version he doesn't fight as much as i like that and think it should've already happened in No Way Home it ain't the end of the world but hopefully in another Spider-Man No Way Home styled film Maguire, Holland,And Garfield fight a mixture of the villains but this time it would be Maguire and Holland's villains and then Garfield could fight other Sam Raimi villains and the MCU Spider-Man villains if Garfield VS Dafoe never happens

[@czerwonykwadrat6843]

The scene when he smashes his mask is one of my favorites in the whole MCU

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

If they ever do an adaptation of Jason Aaron's Avengers arc with the Council of Red vs the multiversal avengers, I'd love to have him play ghost goblin in the Multiversal Masters of Evil

[@SmartypantsTutoring]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Dafoe again as Goblin, but not specifically in the MCU I think. He was the best thing about No Way Home. He never phones it in and while I think in some ways bringing him back makes it even harder to ever have someone else in the role, I can’t blame them for bringing him back.

[@Crimson28]

“Strong enough to have it all. TOO WEAK TO TAKE IT!!!” 🎃 Willem Dafoe doesn’t need to be cast as The Joker. He was an amazing Green Goblin. Both fights between Tobey’s and Tom’s Spider-Man were the most brutal of all the Spidey franchise. As much as he was great in the Raimi trilogy, he took it to another level in No Way Home. The hallway fight was more suspenseful and scary than any horror movie I’ve seen in years. Green Goblin is Spider-Man’s worst enemy because not only can he fight toe to toe with him, but he’ll make it personal by attacking his loved ones. The hallway fight in No Way Home was intense. Dafoe is terrifying as Goblin. When Peter kept punching his face and he kept smiling & laughing was crazy! It reminded me of when Batman was beating Joker in the interrogation room 🃏 🎃 You’re absolutely right. If Thanos is Darkseid of the MCU, Green Goblin is definitely the Joker (along with Bullseye).

[@scarigamez]

The first Sam Raimi's Spider-Man came out three months before I was born, so I essentially grew up with this movie. Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin was my childhood villain, and I grew to love him as a character despite not knowing exactly why. That was, until he showed up in No Way Home. The moment Tom Holland's Spider sense went off, I was more anxious than I was watching the previous two Home movies. Then the Goblin spoke, and I realized why I loved this character so much. He upped the danger in this Peter's story so much more in that movie than Vulture or Mysterio ever could, simply by being there. Because I knew what he could do to this Peter if things didn't go well, and oh boy yeah it went horribly. This version of the Goblin is the boogeyman, a relentless demon that laughs at your tragedy as it chokes you out.

[@waxilliamladrian]

The first Spidey holds a very dear place in my heart but I think Dafoe elevated the character dramatically in NWH. Yes it wouldn't work without that magnificent performance from the first film but I think, just treating it as a sequel story to the Goblin we got before, this is the best we have and likely will ever see him. Osborn is so sad and sympathetic while Goblin is more vile than ever and I love it, I absolutely adore his performance here. Plus that fight with Holland in the apartment is just 🤌

[@coasternamegenerator5611]

Here’s something I want to add to this video. Mysterio has an entire army of drones that makes him a bigger threat than goblin, and yet it’s completely arguably that goblin did worse to Peter. Even with the exposure of Peter’s identity, there was more focus on May’s death than Mysterio in No Way Home.

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

That's because Mysterio is just a guy with Iron Man issues. The villain from the original actually had more depth than him. In fact, he's an exact copy of him.

[@trevinodude]

In a way NWH turned Mysterio into the opening act… the first step into the chapter of pain and sacrifice that the Goblin would bring into Holland Peter’s story. Just as Dafoe’s Goblin would force Maguire’s Peter to grow up and understand the sacrifice involved in heroism, he would stoke the same fires in the MCU and similarly force Holland’s Peter to grow up as well. Mysterio just opened the door for the suffering to start… Goblin entered that door and burned everything down. What Goblin didn’t account for… is the Spider-Man’s ability to rise up like a Phoenix in the flames… that his first archenemy would save his new archenemy by making sure the younger Spidey didn’t fall to the dark side by killing Goblin. In a way, Tobey’s Spider-Man and Tom’s has a bond that not even Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man has (yet, hopefully) as they are the two who had to face the chaotic flames of Dafoe Goblin’s fury… so it was fitting that it was Tobey who prevented Tom’s fall.

[@melan8ed197]

The best MCU villain not even being from the MCU says a lot about their villains

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

He is the original MCU villain. Lol. He's purely just evil and terrifying to watch. So good IMO.

[@jacobpena6176]

This could actually be a good idea for Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars, think about it, in Kang Dynasty, Kang can assemble a crew of multiversal villains, inlcuding Norman where he teleknetically forces the Goblin personality to fully takeover, but by the end of the movie the goblin betrays Kang and takesover battleworld which leads into secret wars

[@Jiub_SN]

Nah goblin shouldn't be that big of a threat, he works best in the way he's been used in these two films. Dr Doom if introduced soon would be perfect for that role and he already does in the conics

[@madmanterry7095]

The way you breakdown goblins philosophy is absolutely brilliant! His split was way ahead of his time, a man blessed with brilliance, and cursed with power

[@SilverScarletSpider]

i like the New Goblin Harry Osborne

[@coolgreenbug7551]

This movie understood that the best thing about the old Goblin mask was when no one was wearing it. In the first movie its best use is Norman pleading to it hung on the chair, the second movie when Harry discovers the Goblin cave the camera pans over to the mask, and in the third we se it as an introduction to Harry's goblin. Then in this movie they don't do a "what would you prefer, yellow spandex?" but have the mask be as menacing as it always has been while also giving a good reason why they changed it as apposed to Electro who's just different.

[@trevinodude]

I love how the Goblin mask was destroyed in NWH as Norman tries and fails to remove himself from the Goblin, in a way foreshadowing the fate that Tom and Tobey’s Peter Parkers had in store for him… a world without his dark side taking control. But we know Norman Osborn wasn’t a good man even before his Goblin days… so will Goblin return again? Hopefully if Dafoe can be convinced it would honor the character so far.

[@goobaction]

Video so nice you gotta upload it twice

[@FullFatVideos]

There was an issue with the Friday drop, so I reuploaded it! This has an new segment in it though so it’s not exactly the same ;)

[@robertwild9447]

I'd honestly rather see Tom Holland's Spider-man go up against the Hob Goblin next. I don't think the MCU needs it's own Norman Osborne at this point, I'd rather see Tom Holland's Spider-man fight a Goblin we haven't seen before.

[@c0nvict_pleb174]

Thanos may of been the big bad of the MCU, Ultron may of been interesting, but Goblin… Goblin is Sam Ramis masterpiece of a villain, Doc Ock comes soooo close though much thanks to Rami and Dafoe’s Portrayal “CAN THE SPIDER-MAN COME OUT TO PLAY?” The chills…

[@trevinodude]

I was hyped but worried when both Goblin and Doc Ock was revealed to return in No Way Home. But Jon Watts did right by Raimi’s Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus, honoring the original versions of the characters and building upon them in natural, more extreme ways.

[@The_Undertow]

Loved the video! But what is that song that plays in the background? It added so much to the atmosphere of the video essay

[@radrno7]

This is why I think Dafoe deserves a full on solo Green Goblin movie. Imagine 'Joker' meets 'American Psycho', a movie set in present time about Norman in his late years as an old man after decades struggling as an industries owner, letting himself fall back into the goblin's personality and exploring who he really is. They could even bring Maguire back to work as the antagonist that Osborn loves to hate and keeps scheming to kill. I guarantee Dafoe would deliver his best performance yet and maybe even win a bunch of awards.

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

Cool idea. R-rated too.

[@moonknight4053]

Green goblin, thanos, doc ock, ego, red skull, Alexander pierce, zemo are the only good villains I know from the mcu lol. No one says red skull, but man he’s so good!!

[@FullFatVideos]

What about Loki and Kingpin?

[@jeremy1860]

Dafoe definitely gave us the best overall Marvel baddie. However, if we're talking villains unique to the MCU specifically, I've gotta give my vote to Hela from Ragnarok 😊

[@KR-P]

I would agree if only she remembered the Ragnarok prophecy.

[@marveldu14]

in fact it would be interesting to see Holland spiderman meet a Norman (as Willem Dafoe) in the MCU but before the goblin. Seeing Peter trying everything he can to prevent the creation of the gobelin and finally ending up leading to it.

[@FullFatVideos]

I had an idea for this that I didn’t end up putting in the video… but maybe soon

[@ArmouredProductions]

While I too would like to see this. I'm questioning how we can introduce the Osbornes into the MCU because Norman specifically says that Oscorp does not exist in the MCU. They'd have to be real creative to introduce them.

[@Round_Slinger]

Norman sacrificed a lot to be the best MCU villain...

[@henrygambles3652]

Great Video, I agree with what you mean about him being a multiversal Goblin and that they shouldn’t do an MCU Green Goblin however I think they should have it revealed that some of Goblin’s tech left behind in the MCU has been carted off by a crime boss named Roderick Kingsley, so that he can become the Hobgoblin(like with Vulture, he lacks superhuman powers but makes it up for it with his mind and the technology he has access to) being motivated by Spider-Man interfering with his criminal activities, allowing Norman’s legacy to live on, with his evil being transferred almost like a virus wanting to reach out and infect as many as it can, with Kingsley learning of NWH’s final battle and using Peter’s greatest fear against him, perhaps Kingsley even forms a proper Sinister Six consisting of Scorpion,Mysterio(whose death is retconned to be a illusion),Shocker,Tinkerer,Kingsley himself and Venom(they left that Symbiote there for a reason)

[@alexandernicholl5772]

I love and hate these kind of videos because they introduce such interesting ideas then i onow Marvel will never do anything close to this, i would like a Harry Goblin later down the line though for tom since he already got his Norman

[@AustynSN]

With Green Goblin/Norman Osborne, Defoe is one of the greatest "alter ego" character actors ever. The only two people on his level are Christopher Reeve (Clark Kent/Superman) and James McAvoy (Kevin Wendell Crumb).

[@gusparkwood4890]

You might even say He’s DA FOE.😂😅

[@budboom7087]

Great video!

[@FullFatVideos]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@toma5289]

if kingpin from the daredevil series counts then thats my pick but if not then yes i absolutely agree.

[@amerejester3295]

As usual, wonderful video. I would love to see Andrew Garfield bounce off of Willem Dafoe. Two fantastic actors who didn't get the chance to work together in No Way Home. Heck, Andrew didn't get to work with Molina's Octavius either. They need to meet again! Do you think that the Goblin should stab Kang in the back and take over as the new antagonist in either Avengers 5 or 6?

[@thesparingdonkey30]

If not Doctor Doom, then hell yeah! If we're disregarding the events of NWH

[@andreacalvillo353]

I want a mcu hobgoblin but I like rami green goblin as a multiversal threat

[@AlexArtsHere]

I think there is potential to have Dafoe’s Goblin as a recurring villain, but I don’t want Peter’s victory in NWH to be undone, nor it be portrayed as the wrong choice. Maybe, during his time offscreen in NWH, Norman Zola’d himself and created a copy of his consciousness in anticipation of his defeat?

[@鄧焯文]

I want Peter victory to be undone so that he learnt about the absolute point

[@Riz_Miah]

Watched again for the support

[@FullFatVideos]

Big thank you!!!!

[@BDTMack]

Brilliant videto! Willem Defoe is the absolute GOAT.

[@FullFatVideos]

The goat! The GOATTTTT!!!!

[@stephenmartland-buck9590]

As amazing as this breakdown and the fantastic return of the goblin was... Does anyone really care where the MCU goes anymore. Not baiting, I just feel Disney have lost so much good will it would take a miracle to get most invested again.

[@FullFatVideos]

Yeah it has largely gone downhill

[@johnbeal6114]

I have to agree because William Dafoe give us the best performance as the Green goblin since the first Spider-Man movie best version of Green goblin almost broke Tom Holland Spider-Man to the point that he tried to kill the Green goblin and have been for Tobey Maguire Spider-Man stopping him

[@FullFatVideos]

It’s awesome that you can now say he’s just as much Tom’s Goblin as Tobey’s

[@johnbeal6114]

@@FullFatVideos I feel like we own the foes Green goblin has done way more damage to Tom Holland Spider-Man that he did Tobey Maguire Spider-Man yes in the 2002 movie The Green goblin Did made it personal because Spider-Man refuse to team up with him to take over the city but Tobey Spider-Man refuse his offer and shows to fight for the city has stopped the goblin but the Green goblin made it personal in no way home the green goblin straight up broke Tom Holland Spider-Man physically and mentally to the point Tom Holland Spider-Man refuse to save the Green goblin but take him out because he killed aunt may

[@johnbeal6114]

@SmashBrosInitiative that's true because William Dafoe he didn't really need a mask his facial expressions was better he acts like the Green goblin without the mask hell he looks like the Green goblin in the comic books without the mask are you got to do is paint his face green made his ears bigger he already have the purple hoodie and the movie he was good

[@jimbeam2299]

​@SmashBrosInitiativehow would he hide his identity in Spiderman 1 without a mask lmao

[@jimbeam2299]

​@@FullFatVideosdude I love your videos and I've been a huge fan for awhile but this is just not true Holland and goblin's was not organic and very forced. The dynamics weren't nearly as deep or as complex as they were with Tobey's Peter

[@harryfleutv666]

My personal favourite MCU villain is The High Evolutionary

[@harryfleutv666]

tbh The Green Goblin is the best Marvel villain as a whole

[@paniniboy]

Hi matt hope you are well. Congrats on the performance of MCU and Starkiller!

[@bet0v966]

Gotta disagree, they shouldn’t bring Goblin back. His wound on MCU Peter should keep festering. The consequences of those event had should linger. If they bring him back it may muddle his portrayal & there’s the risk of not getting it right

[@jerogomezrobledo]

You say that Green Goblin is "the Joker" to Spider-Man and the Marvel Universe, to keep the character popular and relevant, we need new actors play the Green Goblin, just like we've seen 3 different actos play Spider-Man in the past 20 years.

[@DarkLord-hl1fi]

No we don’t Willem is plenty

[@Dumb850]

He was the greatest villian off all time

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

The true Marvel villain, from casting and the screenplay.

[@Galimeer5]

So if Goblin is Marvel's Joker, where does that leave Carnage? Because didn't Spider-Man and Batman team up to fight Carnage and Joker in that Marvel-DC crossover? The same one where Superman fought Hulk?

[@barneseffect]

I'd love to see Raimi's Goblin face off against Andrew's Spider-Man. I imagine Goblin doing everything he can to kill this Peter's new-found MJ, forcing Peter to fear his greatest failure repeating. Now that would be something.

[@Seb_Falkor]

Dafoe's performance is god damned amazing in both SP1 and NWH, there is absolutely no denying that. But NWH was such a god awful movie that I hope they never touch that Goblin ever again.

[@silas0898]

I don't consider Goblin to even be Spideys best villain in the MCU, that's Vulture. An actual MCU character with relateable motivations and goals played perfectly by Michael Keaton. Goblin belongs to the Raimi trilogy and made a guest appearance.

[@MRWALL.i6732]

Personally I don't think this Goblin needs to encounter Garfields's Spidey, I think the same type of animosity can work between him and TASM2 Goblin, it just needs to be more developed and of course, a change of outfit and while the idea sounds epic and terrifying, I just can't see the goblin be a threat on the same level of Thanos or Kang, he works better as a smaller yet personal threat, the type of villain that will get under the heroes skin, pushing them to their limits, physically, mentally and morally, just like the Joker, apart from that, I agree with everything else from this video! Good Job 👍

[@singletona082]

If the MCU got a goblin? I'd honestly want the Gold Goblin. It'd even be relatively easy. Peter Parker finding MCU's norman, and talking to him. 'I lost my aunt because of the man you could become if you let the monster win.' And in a way resuming thedynamic of broke kid and wealthy businessman with technology, but this time he is the mentor. The one trying t oget someone to do better.

[@lexruptor]

I mean, it's just the goblin. Even in the comics he's not that big a deal. Iconic, sure. As big as Joker? Nah. Not very apt at all.

[@Beezle66]

Only thing with this is that it's not the comics. Willem Dafoe is going to age out or just not want to play goblin at some point sooner than later because let's be real.... the MF is getting old lol. Yeah he's the best goblin we've had but we're going to have to have someone else at some point. They're not going to stop making spiderman movies, they're going to recast at some point and the goblin isn't safe from that. Let's just hope the next goblin is just as good, if not better

[@jordansweet8054]

I love Dafoe and the character but wouls disagree with him as the best. Thanos,Kilmonger and Loki still reign supreme to me. I do hope they find a new use for him tho.

[@ItsOfficiaI]

If they bring him back we deserve the old costume. It was awesome and haters are blind.

[@Not_So_Slim_Shady]

I think he reached heights in NWH that far surpass his appearance in SM1. He's campy in SM1 but scary in NWH.

[@FullFatVideos]

I think you couldn’t get the No Way Home characterisation without it though!

[@Not_So_Slim_Shady]

@@FullFatVideos that's absolutely true

[@michaeljosephjackson2364]

​@@FullFatVideoshe seemed campy because of the mask he was wearing

[@jdgjordan]

He didn't just take aunt away from him. Remember he was the one who blew up the box forcing parker to erase his whole life. He took literally his whole life and history away from him sure he didn't kill his gf but he made it to where he will never be with her. No goblin after this can even come close to destroying as much as this one has.

[@JohnSmith-jh6ey]

Or just have dafoe play the 616 version as well Loki has already laid the foundation where he has some variants who are played by tom hiddleston and some who arent

[@unmadrilenodemadridz5086]

"He is not a green goblin, he is The Green Goblin. The original I might say" Nice Doctor Who reference, from 1st to 12th.

[@ac14cmpunk25]

William Dafoe gave us the best Goblin ever on Screen

[@puberty420]

Andrew Garfield's adult Peter Parker facing off with Willem Dafoe's Goblin would be an insanely good fight

[@FullFatVideos]

I’d love to see them both fight over Harry

[@henrygambles3652]

@@FullFatVideosI’d be up to see that! Maybe Osborn leads an actual Sinister Six(I mean they had all that tech there and I don’t see why there can’t be other Doc Ocks,Vultures,Scorpions,Mysterios and Kravens) this time against Andrew’s Peter!

[@tetsujin_144]

11:25 - "Upon breaking the Goblin mask to pieces it freed up the character to take on a more performance-driven look" Yup, he was wearing that dumb Power Rangers mask, but he was scarier without it on

[@coldzoroark6440]

The only person who could out-perform Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin is Willem Dafoe in the same role 19 years later.

[@MD_2002]

Random question, what's the background music in this video called?

[@freezasama5802]

Willem Dafoes acting in no way home was the best in the movie however one criticism on the writing part was making the Goblin half good and half bad when he wasn’t like that in Spider-Man 1 he was more like a weak person listening to the goblin on what to do and how to kill Spider-Man he wasn’t fighting it in which in this movie they showed he had a fight within himself which was never the case even though great movie and great acting even more

[@tentonmotto6779]

It may be a hot take, but whatever: I never really liked the "Jekyll/Hyde" evil split personality approach to Green Goblin in Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy (and No Way Home). Sure, Willem Dafoe is amazing, Green Goblin is very entertaining, it is one of the best comic book villains on screen and all that, but it sabotages the deeper theme of that villain and turns him into a chaotic Joker clone. The main theme about Norman Osborn across Spider-media is that he is a dark Nietszchean. He is convinced he has a right to prey on the weak because he is strong and they are pathetic. So much so, that exploiting people as CEO is not enough, he wants to dominate them directly as Green Goblin (he is basically a rich serial killer like Patrick Bateman). That's why he works so well as archenemy to Peter Parker, because they have the opposite worldviews. One dominates the weak and consciously puts on a mask to dominate them even more, while the other one serves the weak in his daily work and consciously puts on a mask to serve them even more. We see traces of this in No Way Home and other media, but usually this idea gets butchered by making Osborn mentally ill (I don't blame Raimi for this, rather the 1970's comic books). It removes Osborn's agency and moral culpability. The responsibility is shifted from the actual complex human character to a mental illness. From now on, it doesn't matter what he believes or why he does what he does, it is just an unfortunate symptom of a mental illness. As a result, neither the writers, nor Spider-Man, need to confront Osborn's dark worldview or prove it wrong. They just need to hold their composure and beat a mentally ill guy. That's the entire point of No Way Home - Raimi's Spider-Man convinces MCU one that Norman is just mentally ill and needs help. It is such a waste of theme! Imagine if Red Skull was a mentally ill guy with a split personality: a good guy Johan and a Nazi Red Skull. Then the entire character and the theme of the conflict would be ruined hard. It would not not be about confronting Nazism and exposing it for the evil it is. Instead Nazism would be treated as an unfortunate result of a mental illness. The culmination would be again, you guessed it, about Captain America beating a mentally ill guy into a pulp. That is not to say that mentally ill can't be completely evil. For example, Joker works as a mentally ill pure evil villain because Batman himself is not really right in the head. It forms a good parallel. There is no such parallel between Norman Osborn and Peter because Peter is sane. My favorite comic book stories about Peter and Norman are those where Norman and Goblin are the same, where Norman is lucid, much like in the Spectacular Spider-Man animated series. In those stories it is about an actual philosophical battle between Norman and Peter. One acts like a masked predator, dominating his victims for his personal gain only to return to life of luxury later. The other acts like a masked protector, helping others even if it costs him personally. Their rivalry goes on, in and out of costumes, more like Professor Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes, each trying to outsmart the other and prove the opponent wrong. I really hope one day, not in MCU probably, we get to see this take on Norman too and he come into his own instead of being compared to "Lex Luthor with Joker persona". And Peter would be there to stop him, winning the philosophical battle.

[@ender_z4nd3r83]

Green Goblin has basically made MCU's spider-man an interesting character

[@ДимчоДимов-ж7е]

You know, he's something of a scientist himself.

[@Da_caffeinated_insomniac]

Imagine he shows up again in secret wars and causes Peter (maybe with the black suit at this point) to lose it and full on rampage while gobby’s cackling knowing he’s broken him

[@dishierbongo2757]

Willem Dafoe is the Green Goblin. No-one could ever top him. It's like Robin Williams as the Genie from Aladdin, no-one can top that

[@Venbirra7541]

I want my Goblin Trilogy

[@DKCGaming339]

Crazy how the Raimi movies had way better villains than the MCU.

[@lowlowseesee]

i mean his name is willem, the FOE lol. he was made to terrorize with that handsome yet sharp mug

[@FantasticFourJohnnyStorm]

Green goblin is literally one of the best live actions baddies he's at first place for me while ledgars joke is at second

[@sealionstudios8597]

All hail the Goblin King 🤟

[@dominiqueodom3099]

Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin is on the rare plateau of Comic Book Casting that Helped Elevate the Genre next to actors Like Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen from The Xmen movies, and I actually think Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin is on an even RARER level where his Comic Book Adaptation not only was the Best Performance across any other potrayal but they actually told his most Iconic Comic Book Tale with him being killed by his own glider. I feel like the only thing we missed out on is Not being able to see Norman Osborne's greatest achievement in his Entire Run in Marvel History and its not Gwen Stacys Death....its him using the Clout from killing The Skrull Queen on Live Television to take over S.H.I.E.L.D and turning it into the Villanous and Militant H.A.M.M.E.R lead by his own Corporate/Militarized Avengers and his Secret Black Ops Team of villians the THUNDERBOLTS with him as the leader of it all in the Iron Patriot Armor culminating in the Siege of Asgard on Earth.

[@just8or494]

He seeks to bring out the worst in people. Top tier villain

[@RockonSam]

I Have always said Green goblin is Spider-Man's greatest foe

[@anotherjon6997]

My idea for if they have Dafoe return as Goblin would be for a black suit story. In this case, Dafoe would be playing the MCU Norman as someone who hasn't been corrupted yet or maybe even a good future version of what Raimi Norman could have been, while the Goblin Norman would act as the devil on Peter's shoulder through influence of the venom; constantly reminding him of his failure to save May and taunting him towards taking preemptive action against the MCU Norman.

[@markgundle4150]

The only - and I do mean ONLY - complaint I have about Willem's reappearance is that he didn't get a rematch with Tobey.

[@liljimmybih]

With great power, comes great opportunity.

[@bmo5852]

Hey Full Fat Videos I kinda think that Tom Holland Spider-man is gonna be in Beyond the Spiderverse Essentially, the NWH post credit scene went out of its way to establish that Holland's symbiote is from another universe. It fits the definition of Anomaly provided by Miguel. Holland getting the Symbiote would probably allow him to fight off the Spider-Society, and go on the run across the spider-verse He could serve as a key ally for Miles, before Miles reconciles with Gwen's Spider-band I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on this idea

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

No. They decided to keep it to the characters at hand. Besides, Kevin Feige agreed to stay away from true art as the MCU crumbles beneath the weight of its own weak storytelling. Phase 5 is not getting better, with the exception of Guardians 3.

[@AntsTheaterCorner2698]

I like the idea of the spider-verse films having a significant impact on the whole Marvel universe, but they've beating the entire MCU at their story now, with the exception of no way home.

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Do videos on the Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider movies

[@davidedema7641]

Been watching you for what feels like years now and I have to admit this is one of the best edited videos I've ever watched. Sends the diabolical message home in great fashion! Keep up the good work! Btw, did anyone else notice that goblin gave Holland Spidey a spine buster through the floor in their fight in the building? Savage!!

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

Id also count heath ledgers joker longside willem dafoes green goblin as the ultimate villains for both Spider-Man and Batman