#fullrange

[@JC-lk3oy]

Glad to see your enjoying all the Lii audio open baffle goodness. Thanks for all the comparisons between the drivers. I love my F15/W15 combo but I really want to hear the Platinum 10 with the W15 now. Sounds like a match made in heaven. Keep up the good work!

[@maudeboivin6690]

Yes, there are ladies !

[@hificave]

Yes!!!

[@billbones1000]

I received my F15s this week. Built a set of barrel baffles for them. Last night finally got to give them a listen. WOW! I think my spatial audio speakers are going up on Canuck audio mart this week. These F15s really are something special even before they are broken in. For 600$ these have to be the greatest deal in hifi today.

[@xzing7]

Congratulations 👏. How do they compare to the spatial audios. Are you running dual mono's configuration. Finally how is the base response.

[@billbones1000]

@@xzing7 yes dual mono in low standing barrel baffles tilted back 15°. The F15 have very tight bass with great tamber but very little capacity to charge a room (I have two REL subs that pair perfectly with the F15, the combination is magical). The spatial audio are amazing speakers which do not require subs, they are more "modern" sounding though (very clean and transparent). I prefer the more romantic sound of the F15 with the RELs, but that's personal preference ..... Both are excellent speakers and great examples of how open baffles mop the floor with any box speaker costing less than the price of a new car. After only a few hours listening to the F15 I am convinced that paired with the REL subs they are very similar to the spatial speakers (huge dynamics and soundstage, life like instrument sound, ton of air and space, super fast slam effect ect) except a bit more romantic and intimate sounding which is generally more my preference. Either choice is for sure a home run, just depends on if you have subs and your personal taste in sound character (very neutral vs slightly warmer). Also, I'm not rich and if these 600$ F15s allow me to actually sell a much more expensive speaker, make some cash while having upgraded in the process it will be a goddamn Christmas miracle.

[@markceci9896]

I assume the speakers you have are the Fast 15s? The F15s were the original ones with the black surrounds. Also, if you have the new ones, we're the surrounds cream colored or bright yellow? Thanks for sharing.

[@billbones1000]

@@markceci9896 mine are the 15 inch full range F-15. The diffuser cone is light cream color.

[@markceci9896]

@@billbones1000 How about the surrounds? Black or another color?

[@kamijani1]

Great first impressions. I’m getting 1.5 inch thick barrel shaped baffles from Caintuck Audio next week for my Fast 15’s. It will be interesting to gauge the bass response. Considering they’re not large baffles, perhaps a bass baffle might be called for but probably won’t make that call before the 500 hr mark. I share the same concern with the outer ring, though yours look decidedly less yellowish, compared to mine and some others I’ve seen of late. Also planning on getting a small SS amp to give them a workout prior to inserting them in to my main tube rig.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Nice job my dude !

[@billbones1000]

Hi Loïc. Ive had a great time with the F 15 drivers (6 different pair of DIY baffles, even made a concrete set). Do you have any ideas about who to speak to about getting a set of blueprints drawn up for a heresy sized box for them? Id love to play around with them in closed box design (smaller than the monsters noted on their site). I can build a furniture grade set of boxes, but getting size details right is beyond my abilities. Amy thoughts how I could proceed?

[@hificave]

Good question, there tools to help you calculate that based on driver specs, like Speaker Builder Pro. There are a bunch to help you determine size, port length, etc.

[@johnzhuang4659]

Great video! Love your experiments! Please keep them coming. How do you pair FAST 15 and W15? Do you use 2-way bypass network or just connect them in series? Which baffles do you use to pair them with?

[@jeanlephunk]

Did you ever find out? Lol

[@debbie-liisongcanada]

I'm watching! 😬

[@hificave]

Om geeeee!! Now im post-camera shy

[@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461]

LOIC,I’M LISTENING 👂😁💚💚💚

[@bobgour6941]

Loïc !! And if we put the PT-10 in to the origin S-10..? What are you think about ?😅. Have a nice day bro 😎

[@gadi0G]

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[@mndlessdrwer]

I wonder how cheap you can procure quartz countertop offcuts and diamond abrasive router bits... I'm only joking a little bit. If I had a lot of money to burn then I would 100% have a listening room with some monster full-range baffles, because the sound signature they provide is truly unique and can't be found from any other configuration out there. Unfortunately, I don't have money to burn on that kind of project, so I'll have to live it vicariously for now.

[@writenamehere0000]

Hello, I have open bafflers Visaton. Their cheaper fullrange option BG17, 4 in each box, no crossover. So what I'm missing is a bit of high tones. Is that normal for fullrangers? I am not sure how to describe the sound. Kind of missing some high tones while everything else is pretty much in place. I get even decent bass with proper positioning . Are these just for voice, singing perhaps? Or i dont know, cause those highs are definitely somehow muddy when listening to music.

[@alexiheaka1074]

Ill be getting the F10 and the W12 for bass. The W12 should be coming out in the next few weeks.

[@jeanlephunk]

Hey, did you ever get that combo? How did it sound

[@alexiheaka1074]

@@jeanlephunk no, unfortunately not. I’ve been using my spare time to get my novel done.

[@charleskatz2606]

Loic' Hey I was wondering what you think might work well in a Klipsch Heresy box?Sometimes they come up cheap and I was thinking a full range and maybe a top mounted twetter like one of the Aperion's or Fostex might be great.They have a form factor that blends in nicely with many rooms just not sure what the slight tilt might be like with a FR driver.Keep 'em coming love your channel

[@renobodyrenobody]

Thank you for your video. Could you share some measurements at 1m and at your listening position please, for example with RAW + Umik 1 (cost is 100$)?

[@bradfordjaques8523]

Hi There, so what are your opinions about Lii Song saying that the Platinum 10 is not intended for open baffle and that the silver 10 is much better for the open baffle?

[@uw4ntsum342]

What’s the off-axis response like for these? It’s often a problem with single drivers.

[@paulsochinfan]

Good review, that's what I long for. Even better if you can include the fast 10 and fast 8 comparison. Thank you

[@paweltoronto]

what exactly changes after breaking period (say 200hours) on the F15s? And from 200 to 500 as you have mentioned please?

[@mark120371]

So if hear you correct. Fast 15 and W15 in a 2 way open baffle is the pair to go with as the highs seem to be closer to that of the platinum 10, while not as extanded but seem to smoother if understood your description correctly. But more extended than that of the F15 (which i had plan to use with the W15). Thanks for all your help in advance.

[@hificave]

Correct, now I know, platinum 10 is much better in a boxed speaker. And the fast15 is a super match with the w15!

[@hificave]

Give them a good 200hrs of break in. It will jump around in sound variations every day until the break in is done.

[@rg6556]

Do you think the Fast-15 might be better suit in a box (non baffle) speaker setup than the F-15 since box might emphasize on the mid/bass more? Just wondering if the F-15 in a box setup might have little too much bass/bloom? Thx!

[@hificave]

Speculation, but fast15 in a box would sound awesome. F15 would sound awesome too.

[@terrywho22]

Looking forward to more impression as the drivers cross the 500 hr line. Rather that a separately enclosed super tweeter, have you considered mounting a 3/4" or 1" tweeter and crossing it over using approximately a 1uF capacitor with the Lii -song of your choice running full range. Just add a little to the top end to get that extra air and crispness to the sound, ala Nelson Pass' suggestion outline in his article, "Current Source Amplifiers and Sensitive Full Range Drivers." Also do you have any impression of the f12? Seems like it could be an exceptional all-arounder.

[@lapocasini1246]

Steve Deckart on comparisons to old RCA 12's from the mid 50's to early '60s "The F15 is the first driver I have heard that sounds like those old large console woofers. It's tight, it hits and is very smooth through its range. The F12 is also pretty smooth and warmer but sounds like a hi-fi woofer. It's not tight. It doesn't hit." Just one impression

[@terrywho22]

​@@lapocasini1246 Appreciate that. Although I recall those old consoles well, and they were fun, but didn't sound so great. Something to consider.

[@GH-zs8eq]

How abt the platinum 10 with W15s in a open baffle like leonidas? And would a flea watt like type 45 tube SET amp with 1.5W be sufficient for the platinum 10s? Thabks!

[@hificave]

Flea watt is no problem for the platinum 10. But flea watt with w15… no go.

[@GH-zs8eq]

@@hificave thanks Loic! :)

[@hificave]

@@GH-zs8eq also, platinum needs a box. If you want to use it in open baffle it needs help to fill in mids and lows. (Sub is not enough, unless you make a large and heavy baffle).

[@GH-zs8eq]

@@hificave thanks Loic! Will be considering Plat 10 with W15 or fast 15 with W15 in same baffle

[@dwaindyer4691]

You said Platinum 10 with proper enclosure they would sound excellent does this mean that they really are not designed for open baffel design or the performance would suffer? Also interested in seeing frequence graph.

[@jorgebacani1901]

Many thanks for very informative videos. What’s your opinion on using the Platinum 10 instead of Silver 10 in Liionidas OB? Would that result in great improvement in sound quality? Cheers..

[@hificave]

Cant do it without some custom modifications both to the baffle and to the crossover. The platinum is not ment for open baffle. So the w15 would be compensating for higher range in the low pass. But in a box, the platinum is a giant. Performance level is crazy good. Resolution is surreal, mids, air! As for bass it depends on the execution of the cabinet build.

[@jorgebacani1901]

@@hificave Decware’s P10 baffle design is too large for my room. Can you suggest a smaller (ish) enclosure? I’m torn between Platinum 10 and Cube Audio F10 Select or F8 Magus. Cube Audio baffle design is a bit smaller than Decware DFH10. Thanks again!

[@hificave]

@@jorgebacani1901 I have not experimented in closed box designs to have the creativity and understanding to properly advise you. You can use a speaker design software, there are several out there, where you input the specs of the drivers you are considering, and the software will give you the parameters and specs your box needs to have to acheive the frequency response you want. Experience and creativity with these parameters in terms of how you execute it, is what makes the difference between two identical looking speakers from the outside, but its how its executed inside that changes things. Inside, things such as, the port vent size, length, bracing, damping, box size and shape, etc etc. These things are relevant to the driver you pick. Then, you have the crossover or filters that can come help tweak the frequency response and output as well.

[@Ivy13276]

@@jorgebacani1901 hey Jorge, I'm on your same boat, what did you end up doing?

[@psychtrane]

Price for the Platinum-10: $2799 CAD (pair). Strangely, it does not seem to yet be listed on the US or EU websites.

[@hificave]

They have slower admins. ;-). And the platinum-15 is coming too.

[@psychtrane]

@@hificave Seems Lii is stepping up from being primarily a budget brand and is now competing with the full-range big boys like Lowther, Voxativ, Cube, etc.

[@sjhorton1184]

Currently on their webpage: One Pair | Reference Level 10″ Fullrange Drivers | Platinum-10 $1,999.00

[@michaelj.4187]

sending love and peace to everyone...

[@JimmieJohn]

I have a JBL Partybox 100. Have you heard it before? How do these speakers compare to that?

[@hificave]

Have not heard those. Cant compare.

[@merlingarnett3613]

Hi Loic, are you low passing the w15s when playing with the P10s? If so what frequency? Thanks

[@rickp6731]

Just wait until you listen to the Qualio Audio IQ Semi Open Baffle Speakers

[@hificave]

Im waiting! Can’t wait.

[@jonfoss3437]

Im going back to my dual 12 magnavov ob, with the horns

[@hificave]

😎

[@itsGnTO]

F15 And W15 in parallel @ 4 ohms or are you using crossover for each?

[@hificave]

No crossover. Bi-amp. Just controlling gain on each.

[@thomasfi1275]

very interesting video. But please no background music!

[@hificave]

My apologies. The last part of the video, the music didnt apply the minus 30db like it did at the begining.

[@dwaindyer4691]

Lii Song web site showed price $2,799.00 10 inch Power 40-80 watts Fs 36.5 Hz to 18K weight rounded 40lbs. 02/15/2023

[@Rickzolla]

I've got a pair of Betsy Baffles on the way. I guy has to start somewhere.

[@hificave]

Start? Its going to make you grin and smile. :-)

[@csj9619]

I'm not familiar with this brand of transducers. They appear to be very high quality drivers and I was wondering how they compare to Audio Nirvana large-format fullrange drivers. Sounds like they're out of reach for me so it really doesn't matter.

[@sza2562]

How about Cube Audio, do u know them?

[@hificave]

Heard them at shows.

[@dmitryerin5131]

Hello! i thought F 15 and FAST 15 are the same..

[@hificave]

Not the same. More detail in fast15, more upper bass in f15.

[@dmitryerin5131]

@@hificave thank you!

[@Stephenwongdirectimaging]

How soon u coming make a video of platinum 10 let's us have a taste sound of P 10

[@hificave]

Not for a while. Drivers are being used for an experiment elsewhere.

[@mjw25a1]

Once my cabinets are finished I’ll get a video up of the PT-10. Massive cabinets with internal volume of 467L and port tuned to 30Hz. Mundorf Angelique wire internally and EIZZ EZ-301 low mass binding posts. Should be something else. In front of them is a Soundaware D300REF streamer + Afterdark Trifecta Double Crown clock > Accurate Audio D1000 DAC > Absolute Audio Labs ASL-1Z Pre > Absolute Audio Labs SIT-A15 power amp. Aurealis Audio interconnects throughout and tinned copper power cables, SR Purple fuses, Thor DRM95/20 power filtering + balanced isolation transformer….. It’ll be fed well. :)

[@Stephenwongdirectimaging]

@@mjw25a1 able share a link so we can listen?

[@mjw25a1]

@@Stephenwongdirectimaging I have TRIED to record my system but the recordings don't sound even remotely like what I hear in person. I think it picks up room reflections more than anything else :(

[@mjw25a1]

Awesome. I’m so keen to get my hands on a pair of the Platinum 10 in the Glory cabinets. :D

[@hificave]

Not sure they fit in glory cabinets…

[@mjw25a1]

@@hificave the Glory usually has S10 drivers….. They’re both 10” drivers right?

[@hificave]

@@mjw25a1 they are, bu the platinum had a different “footprint” due to the weight and size of magnet I think.

[@hificave]

I will make a size comparison video.

[@mjw25a1]

@@hificave I'll talk to my contact at Lii Song and order a ready built Glory speaker with Platinum 10. I believe it will be a nice combo. I'll re-wire with Mundorf Angelique wire and EIZZ EZ-301 binding posts. Should be a nice combo I think. I've been told ideally they would like an even larger cabinet than the Glory though those things are huge already. I'll just need to fill in with a sub as I go with my current Lii Song Fieke S6 speakers. ;) Thankyou for your wonderful preview. I've been hanging on every detail with respect to development of these. Hoping they're my final pair of speakers.... Well it's either that or a pair of Klipsch Cornwall IV. A bit torn as the Klipsch can be bought locally and better brand recognition improves resale. I've you've experience with those also I'd love to hear of it.

[@chengo51]

The F15 didn't pleased me in an OB, so I made them a big box and then they shine, I may have lost a bit of the sound stage, may be, but the low end is really present.

[@hificave]

What material was your OB made off? And size? Just curious

[@chengo51]

@@hificave It was as big as the Decware big size one (I tried differents sizes) and made of 20mm plasterboard or drywall (I don't know how you call it), heavy stuff and exempt of vibration. I have pictures if you are interested. I move them around in the room, never find a good placement....mainly there was no bass.

[@lapocasini1246]

@@chengo51 Steve mentions that the wood acts like a transducer and spring board and advises against a dead baffle. Congrats with your cab, that sounds sick.

[@chengo51]

@@lapocasini1246 Actually I should have been a bit patient because the F15 didn't probably break in fully. I doubt the wood play such an important role, I guess the stiffness is important. Something else, there was for years many trials of different OB shapes and the round shape was given to be the worse, which surprised me a lot and I don't believe it, in fact the barrel shape being efficient do not surprise me. So two important things in this design, shape and stiffness, that's my belief, I may try again some time.

[@ScoobyGFunk2]

I am curious if you have any opinions regarding the F15 vs Fast 15. If you had to choose one….? Also, is the level of detail from the Fast 15 as good as the Fast 8?

[@Stephenwongdirectimaging]

i have ask the platimun 10 from china site is about. USD1700-USD1900 1 pair drive at pre order now ETA. 2023 May delivery

[@pnddesign]

Thanks, very interested to jump in the open baf world. Please, turn off the bg music 😭

[@hificave]

I was setting it at minus 30db. But a few have said the same thing now. Will remove it.

[@twochaudiomg2578]

#1 yep. Because of U Tube everyone wants to be a big shot reviewer And misleads everyone OK. Start the rant. Go

[@hificave]

The more I do it, the harder it gets. Everything can sound good, everything can sound bad. The HOW matters as much as the WHAT.

[@weeverob]

i'm scared

[@hificave]

Well yeah! It’s scary

[@Stephenwongdirectimaging]

l was recommend fast 15 is better F15 driver

[@TombstoneTube]

That’s why Decware has the ZROCK to compensate for OB