*FULLY INVOLVED* Pre-Arrival | AUTO SHOP 2nd Alarm | Rockville Centre, NY [2-6-24]

[@FreemanWithrow]

After nearly 20 yrs of fire service it still amazes me how departments forget they have the best weapon for large fires on top of the rig. Arrive on scene and get the deck gun in service “ aka master stream “ and knock it down , it takes GPMs to beat BTUs .

[@rustynail6819]

100% correct.

[@michelleleeginger5225]

Nice firetrucks, though... much nicer than their F.D.N.Y counterparts,and sadly, mostly useless. Really need paid ff's on Long Island. Most are clown shoes. 😢

[@thomasnetter2407]

The forgotten tactics of the blitz attack and transitional attack...

[@virgilhilts3924]

Your words prove you have never been a firefighter 🤣

[@anthonymalvoso6100]

If ever there was a fire screaming for a deck gun……

[@twiggs24]

It is one of the most under utilized pieces of equipment. Especially when there is a good water supply very close

[@steve87thpsap]

Would have made better sense then having the tower block all access.

[@jimkeappock7558]

How about the Blitz nozzle!!

[@FireDude23]

Establishing a master stream with the deck gun would have knocked down this fire very quickly.

[@geniferteal4178]

Car shop during the day time it's unlikely there were people left inside.

[@jamessimmonds3773]

That was painful to watch. 1 line in service for over 10 minutes is unacceptable.

[@superbuff861]

The second line was being stretched at 3:20, then was moved to exposure protection at the rear (the private dwellings behind it butt up against the fire building), the fire building is already a loss, protect the exposures

[@glennhuber4975]

Wacker

[@C.RayMcCurley]

Should have deployed first line battling the fire against the exposure. I know I am retired now but it sure seems like it is taking longer to flow water these days. Deck gun would have knocked the fire down quick.

[@brianrobinson9602]

That building was gone upon arrival of the first unit, they should have concentrated their hose line on the bay closest to exposure 2 side....

[@whithaggerson1]

With as many fire trucks and men on site why only one hose in service

[@robthetinmang1455]

I was wondering the same thing: why not focus on exposure first? They also coukd have loaded the deck gun once in front of the store. I'm a researcher for reducing firefighter cancers and it always shocks me when those on the first hose, even if a bit back from the fire, don't mask up. Just bc you don't have smoke doesn't mean that there isn't particulate matter being breathed in that you can't see and that can do just much damage to your airway as the chemicals in fire smoke can, especially with a shop full of chemicals!! When Rescue Rescue was still on, I always hated watching the crews from NJ bc they'd have people at the structure entrance with a face full of smoke and no mask and the same for those venting the roof. Really bad thing is the state has a standards document that you use masks if operating hoteliers, on an aerial, or above the fire line at any structure fire (especially roof tops)!!!

[@michaeltrolan4143]

This department needs to get up to date. The reverse lay went out use decades ago when engines started carrying 4 and 5 inch supply lines. One attack line is not sufficient for this amount of fire. I believe most departments would have used the deck gun and more hand lines. The use of the elevated platform is unnecessary.

[@goratgo1970]

And critical time consuming.

[@douglasmorrison9098]

Never in my life seen a fire truck run over a CHARGED LINE like these idiots did. LUCKILY A firefighter didnt go flying thru the air because o it. Most incompetent firefighters ive eve seen

[@walkingman9171]

I have seen many fire videos with the same level of incompetent firefighters, amazing.

[@aportman58]

You’ve apparently haven’t been in the fire service very long if never seen an apparatus run over a charged hose line 😮 Basic firefighter teaches if you have to run over a hose line it’s preferably to be charged. Get some firefighting experience before spouting ridiculous opinions 😡

[@Pleaidian-z3x]

Put the Benny Hill 🎶 🎵 on

[@seanpierce7673]

Why didn't they open up the deck gun to get the fire under control or at least have two attack lines!

[@ericweiler6571]

I agree there is a time and place for a deck gun... But there is one thing I would like to say.... A deck gun goes through a ton of water and for all we know, there could supply issues with water. I was at a fire where there was a pressure problem and after about two minutes of a deck gun, they couldn't fix or establish a back up supply for about five minutes and the entire house was gone in that time.

[@runn4235]

This is the worst fire fighting I've ever seen, after doing nothing, finally one charged line, OMG, is there a shortage of water, the absolute worst!!!!!

[@Eric-sn4qz]

Great vid. And thanks for no unnecessary chatter or play by play.

[@fireakems8279]

Those PASS alarms will create complacency. Someday, those alarms will go off and nobody will react to a firefighter in actual distress because everyone is used to hearing them.

[@PhillyLittles]

Wow. I was literally going to go there today for an inspection. It sucks because I loved that shop. Very honest and helpful than other mechanics in RVC

[@kristinablazier4771]

Hey, Mike is over in S. Hempstead right now working from there. If you call the shop line the calls should forward to him directly. I hope this helps.

[@matthewsims4457]

Zero sense of urgency. It's criminal that a line can be setup before the engineer has tank water flowing for the 1st line. And...ALMOST criminal for the 2nd and additional lines to be set up so late. Failure on FD training.

[@jimratliff2753]

Man, the classic deck gun fire and no one uses it. To many guys with NO PPE on, so many others without complete PPE on and not protecting exposures. Geez....

[@paulzeigler7616]

For a tiny single story building, what was the point of two tower ladders, especially with gobs and gobs of power lines and poles. All they needed was room to work (vs. Tower Ladders arriving and making extra work for guys trying to get more hand lines working. Seems silly. It doesn't look like either tower ladder was even deploying any water, they were just in the way.

[@zarfocolombo]

Where's the Blitz atack with deck gun??

[@robertshekels131]

Please tell me this is a all volunteer department. It’s like the blind leading the blind here.

[@seantracy9109]

My thought as well. I watched the same FF walk back and forth 5 times without contributing one thing.

[@michelleleeginger5225]

​@seantracy9109 Welcome to the volunteer ff's of Long Island N.y. A lot of them have an inferiority complex due to F.D.N.Y always getting all of the glory.

[@robertg6018]

15 mins after arrival, they deploy a truck & it's stream at GROUND LEVEL! Holy ****😅😂🤣 Like everyone else here, a deck gun would've had this mostly out by this time. It didn't look like there was a lot of flammable liquids to be concerned about.

[@virgilhilts3924]

Oh gee look another deck gun doofus 🤣

[@chrisdrobnak1146]

How are two ff’s not wearing the scba? Right in front of All those gases coming out the building right in front of them… unacceptable

[@michelleleeginger5225]

Those are Long Island ff's! They're impervious to fire and smoke!!! Long Island really needs to rethink the whole paid fire department thing!!!

[@ericpl7227]

@@michelleleeginger5225 yeah, until in 5 years when they're crying for the government to use tax dollars to pay for their cancer treatments! Then suddenly they aren't the big "manly men" anymore!

[@colinhawes1907]

From the UK... Very long time to get water on.

[@kittycat5162]

I just googled deck gun,I had no idea how awesome of a tool that is.Im have no fire fighter experience,even I thought what are they doing!

[@joscallinet6260]

Once a large quantity of rubber tires is set ablaze, the tires put out so much heat, they turn the firehose water into steam instantly, making it very hard to put out fires like this one. This tire shop looked clean and well-run before the fire incinerated it - HOW did such a fire as this start? This particular conflagration would be more understandable if this were some trashy dump of a tire shop - but this one clearly isn't! I hope none of the employees was hurt, and I also hope this shop's owners have good insurance coverage. This particular shop deserves to be rebuilt.

[@superbuff861]

Started as a pickup truck on fire in the far left garage bay

[@aportman58]

Considering all the exterior congestion and potential exposure threat I thought they did a great job containing bulk of fire to the fire building - which was a total before fire department arrived! So from a retired firefighter captain with over 30 years experience Great Job!

[@joegaito702]

Great job great team work and great and sweet catches as usual still going they deserve alot of credit tons of it let's stop and honor and appreciate the paramedics and firemen and police and the battlion chief who proudly serve us your service and time and efforts are deeply appreciated thanks stay safe and warm out there let's stop and hope everyone is doing ok much love and respect and appreciation job well done you should be amazed and proud way to go thanks !!! Joe

[@demetriuswebb5692]

With 38 years in the fire service..you got to be kidding me. Even if this were a volunteer fire departments...all of your basics of FF skills are no where near being what they should be

[@simonhowlett1530]

Why’s everyone limping in the video 😅

[@gavinp9673]

In the UK they would be several lines and in half the time

[@thetazva]

Why did they stop putting water on the fire From about 8:15 to 12:20? Finally water back on around 12:20

[@johnpalmer2547]

ive seen it all now three or four fire crews turn out and one fireman is left to put it out you need to come to the uk and see how it is done one of my kids was going to move to the us but i told her to forget it because if by any chance you have a fire your house is gone

[@RenoVaTio1958]

They had a clear shot with the deck gun

[@borden1957]

Not an expert but only one line at the beginning seems not right

[@beckytwister01]

Perfect example as to why every fire department should have deck guns. If this department had one they should have used it instead of the 1 handline which really made no sense. Protect exposure

[@Eagle101Reed]

You guys should buy another hose.

[@rockyv180]

Pulling hose and explosions. No safety gear. Osha should review this. Should be hitting the left exposure first.

[@jenni85100]

Thankfully Mike is ok- so sorry this happened to them

[@RcPlayer-tt2vw]

Is Mike Adams son ?

[@michaelv.1107]

What took them so long to bring on a second hand line in operation? Far too less effect on the fire with just one.

[@kennysouthwel4127]

Wow, I hope they watch this video and become embarrassed, then start training on hose deployment and tactics. First line should have went to the exposure B bay. Big lines quick for big fires. What was it took 30x85 maybe, and a single story. Yes, it was always going to be a total loss, but it is always good training.

[@gyeager76]

TURN OFF THE DAMN PASS ALARM!!!! Why have them if you’re just going to ignore them?!?!?

[@rbwoodwork1890]

Fire departments are not there to save your property but to try and save the property next to yours. Sounds harsh but usually by the time they arrive the structure is fully engulfed and not save able.

[@harrytraction1380]

First line which should be a 2 1/2”. To the exposure side. Second line 2 1/2” to the interior. 1 3/4” immediately to the interior to the business next door on standby and investigate. Deck gun? Anyone go next door to inspect? Great training video of what not to do.

[@StevenParker-oe2ws]

Okay incident Commander sitting in a recliner at home

[@choppermike3329]

@@StevenParker-oe2ws 🤣🤣😂😂👍🏻

[@bobclavile5653]

When I saw the volume of the fire at first. My thoughts went to WET WATER/FOAM since it seemed to me (IMO) there were hazardous Liquids also involved.

[@AttackLineConsultingLLC]

Why the hell did they break the windows..flow path guys cmon

[@MikeReszke]

5 trucks, 20 firefighters, 1 line.

[@fireking68]

I know these are Volunteers but basic fire ground tactics were not used, only pulling one line and going back n forth from the main body of the fire then to the exposure, eleven minutes in the video till 2nd line pulled by one guy with several others just standing around , leave that ladder tower in the barn.

[@ArmyOne519]

Ok , let's not Quarterback other Agencies 🙄.

[@demetriuswebb5692]

That fire hose that the aerial ran over needs to be test..but realistically taken out of service. I would never trust that section to be part of the supply line it could comes apart with you guys inside and they lose water...

[@demetriuswebb5692]

Now we're going to set the aerial over power lines.. the D side is free burning 😮

[@ericweiler6571]

Tire fires are very hard to put out. There was one not too far from here when I was a kid and they basically let it burn itself out as there were no exposures or threat to life.

[@alioz5698]

There are alot of fireman, but just one -two person are working! Why are they working slowly, just watching and walking around.

[@demetriuswebb5692]

Pulled way pass the fire... what about making use of the deck gun?

[@ericweiler6571]

"Get everybody out of there." Thank you for saying that. Nobody had any idea fire could be deadly..... Why is there always some stupid person in the background of these fire videos pointing out the obvious?

[@dozgoodmedia]

She was talking about getting everyone out of all the neighboring businesses where there were still people and employees inside. Not so stupid and apparently wasn’t so obvious to those people!

[@kendrabarbie6909]

A REAL NEED TO USE A MASTER STREAM TO KNOCK THE FIRE DOWN FAST BUT NOT USED

[@aguyghow9783]

They still seem to have lots of above ground utilities, wires still strung in New England ... we don't see that much here in the midwest, most are underground.

[@Chris-ev7xo]

From the time the video starts to the fire being under control was like 14 minutes, by the way these are volunteer firefighters

[@daewooparts]

Someone better have good insurance because its going to get expensive between the shop ,the tools inside & all the customers vehicles & keys 🔑 in the office

[@IonOtter]

They saved the pizza joint and liquor store! That's all that matters!

[@tomprosser8958]

Who was that plain clothed fellow? A volunteer firefighter? I hope so.

[@dozgoodmedia]

Yes, veteran local fireman that was nearby when it started.

[@Peter-pv8xx]

All that equipment and guys all i see is one little hose in the front? Did they want the whole block to go.

[@jacobkeppler1984]

Nice work everybody keep it

[@matthewsims4457]

You are full of crap.

[@jimhickey2276]

After watching videos of fireman moving like they slugs in every video, I've decided that you'd better have damned good fire protection systems at your place. If you're counting on these guys to hurry and put the fire out, you're shit out of luck. It's a miracle they didn't lose every car on the lot.

[@lehneruwe5531]

Viele Löschfahrzeuge und nur ein Strahlrohr! Sind die anderen Fahrzeuge nur Zuschauer?

[@karlj9694]

1 -1 3/4 aint gonna cut it. This fire screamed 2 1/2 from the start

[@demetriuswebb5692]

Aerial?

[@19irving]

What started it?

[@superbuff861]

A Dodge Ram Pickup truck in the far left bay; the initial call was for a “truck fire in a garage”

[@thomasnetter2407]

Reverse lay instead of laying in when they obviously knew they had a working fire... Using an elevated master stream as a ground monitor... This is painful to watch!

[@virgilhilts3924]

All that typing just to prove you have never been a firefighter and have no clue what is going on here 🤣

[@terrenceanderson7966]

Idk but maybe it's a reason 🤔 for not using the water cannon on the 1st engine that pulled up.. I believe that would have knocked down a lot of the fire in the beginning..

[@daewooparts]

Definitely a good old tire fire 🛞 🔥 ,probably started by a drop light 💡while working on a ⛽️ gastank,or welding something & not watching what's behind being welded

[@denisesocha6279]

The whoke time the bays are in flames The office was ok Then the flames are Almost out the the office is ingulfed Why is that and why did they bust the windows. Atleast That part of the bldg wouldnt beed distroyed. They "F" that part up. The owner could have saved inportent Stuff. Part

[@gregsatterly9412]

Watching this video was painful!!! I am sorry for the business owners loss!!! On the fire side that scene was a cluster f***!!! No coordination and poor positioning of apparatuses, poor communication between command and the firefighters, not utilizing the deck gun as a primary and handlines as a secondary, and taking to long to knock that fire down.

[@matsulli2086]

Why not use the water cannon on arrival? How about using your air tanks/BA? So tired of personnel not using safety equipment and we have to pay for the illness.

[@demetriuswebb5692]

Who in the hell are these civilians walking on the fire ground

[@demetriuswebb5692]

People standing as if they are at a bbq... even if you're firefighter no protective gear on is asking for trouble

[@SPCNY88]

That was near my high school

[@mow4ncry]

Only one hose line on that big of a fire

[@lhrbullet]

Always gotta be some old guys without gear. About to have heart attacks trying to be helpful. I’m starting to think impersonating a firefighter is common at fire scenes.

[@d-tone551]

57 firefighters milling around and one miserable little hose?? Too little water and way too slow

[@carolinejordan12]

Why don't the people move their cars?

[@demetriuswebb5692]

A 11/2 line wont do.. what about a 2 1/2 line or master stream? This is painful to watch

[@ronz101]

As concerned for the booze next door. Sarcasm! 😮

[@choppermike3329]

Gee, with all these arm chair Battalion Chiefs commenting I'm surprised no one mentioned that there should have been a Helicopter water drop. 😂

[@thomasnetter2407]

You do realize that there are people on here commenting that are very experienced Firefighters and do know a thing or two about the subject matter?

[@choppermike3329]

@@thomasnetter2407 I'm sure there are, but many commenters don't know about the subject matter. Personally I've been a FF/EMT for over 30 years in a large Volunteer/ Career dept. in the Metropolitan DC area.

[@choppermike3329]

@@thomasnetter2407 You do realize I have over 30 yrs experience as a FF/EMT. That's the reason I wrote that comment.

[@timothyhenry5454]

Some of the worst firefighting I’ve ever seen

[@davidhamilton5084]

These guys are operating like third world fire fighter, they look very confuse and don’t know what to do.

[@ChrisEsposito]

this is crazy... wattttt the hell.. took wayyyyyy too long to get water on that fire.. spread the fucking Line outtttt..... LAZY AZZZ ,

[@1940shistorian]

An obvious deck gun job.

[@ArmyOne519]

Oh my 😬

[@mikibihon8826]

Alone fireman without a water hose to fight the fire. people taking videos, no one wants to move the parked vehicles...wow! Great job, more than 20 fire fighters, one water hose (3 ff holding it), whole small building up in flames for less than 30 minutes! High five!

[@dozgoodmedia]

How could anyone have moved the parked vehicles when the keys were all in the fully engulfed office area? What would you have suggested they do to move them? Were you suggesting that any bystanders could have helped fight the fire?

[@gibsonbrigh]

Let me guess. Fire truck pull up. And they all pull out their phones to take pictures.

[@rapman5791]

Pawl, get everybudee outa dare!! Pawwwl. 😂😂😂😂

[@Dennis_J._Aitken]

Reading through the comments you can learn a lot from the firemen on their recliner. I'll bet they are great football coaches too!

[@matthewsims4457]

You think we can't see with our own eyes incompetence or lack of training? Do you have to have to be a delivery driver to complain about your package being left in the rain? Do you have to be a chef/waitress to complain about poor service and food coming out cold? You forget, it's on VIDEO! We can see! We pay taxes and we are smart enough to see when lack of training/incompetence happens and that we as taxpayers are not getting our money's worth. Have you ever been a congressman/senator/president? But, I bet you complain about certain politicians? Right? Can I tell you to STFU because YOU are an armchair politician...or chef...or delivery driver? We want our public servants to be trained and to work safely USING that training. Anything lacking is subject to criticism. A SMART fire department will take that criticism and work to improve. Dumbass fire departments will do what you do and complain about criticism and continue to do the dumbass things...

[@choppermike3329]

🤣🤣😂😂👍🏻

[@timothyhenry5454]

The proof is in the pudding Horrible firefighting

[@jimratliff2753]

Wrong, we happen to train and know SOG's and fire attack standards all in the theme of safety: life then property. Volunteers know proper fire attack tactics, they know to not operate under live wires above and know full PPE for everyone and no civilians on the fire ground. So hate to educate you but, that is what most are saying here Chief.

[@choppermike3329]

@@jimratliff2753 Well a great deal of commenters making uneducated statements do not have training in firefighting.

[@dennisking4717]

What a shambles.

[@stephenbowden4766]

They need retraining

[@pamandjohnmc]

Too many chiefs and not enough fire fighters. And what's with the older guys playing fireman?

[@hayzersolar]

took way too long to put out the fire. they stand around more than they work to put it out. no excuse 2 lines at the beginning not one line sad

[@simonhowlett1530]

Fire trucks 🚒 park 2 miles away 😅in U.K. would have been out in 2 minutes

[@StevenParker-oe2ws]

Okay

[@choppermike3329]

😂😂🤣🤣😂😂🤦🏻‍♂

[@leehyer4916]

They are seller savers

[@CLASSICS200]

Fix the title of this viedo. It should read. Fully engulfed gas station ⛽️

[@dozgoodmedia]

It’s not a gas station..

[@jacobkeppler1984]

Looking like it going pretty good

[@ChrisEsposito]

MASSAPEQUA WOULD HAVE HAD THIS OUT ALREADY,,,,

[@brianog5267]

Not sure what I’m missing… pretty huge fire under control in 8 minutes and out in 15… what did I miss?

[@HAMRADIOJOE4178]

WORST AND SLOWEST F.D. IV EVER SEEN

[@kendrabarbie6909]

A VERY POOR FIRE ATACK

[@Paul1958R]

No taxpayer dollar left unwasted