Shiveria: Super Mario Odyssey's Most Mediocre Kingdom | Level By Level

[@Odyssey_Central]

If anyone comes up with a good name for this series let me know! I've already had a few suggested to me from my discord but I want to see if you all have any good ideas as well! Thanks for watching and hopefully I'll be able to make more because this was a lot of fun!

[@JoesInTheHouse]

I’ve got a name, The Odyssey Analysis Series

[@theallduck]

how about Mario odyssey analysis

[@toastynachoos]

"Super Mario Odyssey: Kingdom critique", maybe?

[@segaj.r2006]

Should I replay Super Mario Odyssey?

[@toastynachoos]

@@segaj.r2006 I did so recently and it was fun as hell, so yes!

[@xian2themax]

Another annoying thing is that since the town technically counts as a sub area, it has no map and is just counted as a single point on the main map, so you can’t use the map to help find moons in the town.

[@NickyGuaii]

OMG THANK YOU

[@oivariini7]

I actually think thats a good thing haha

[@The_REAL_WannabeCake]

@@nolanhartsoe yes But The Shiverians Will Get Cold They Hide In The Town To Avoid The Cold Maybe When Revisiting Shivera The Shiverians Can be Found Outside The Town Rewarding You Moons Or Giving You Missions

[@capybara2515]

@@The_REAL_WannabeCakeMy man they are seen bouncing around in race tracks outside you are braindead af

[@ynjns.jellyfish]

​@@The_REAL_WannabeCake real that couldve been so interactive ;=;

[@thesingingpeas4542]

I know the Shiverean Cheep Cheeps are just lazy recolorings of the regular Cheep Cheeps, but it really fascinates me. The fact that we got a whole new species of fish in one kingdom just makes me believe there’s a special biology full of underwater enemies. I don’t know, it maybe their warm bodies talking as I’m dying from hypothermia.

[@MocaHere]

True, but from a different point of view, its pretty lazy and unimaginative, they could have made it a blooper or something at least

[@lillith7257]

Thry should of made it a species of fish that swims in icy areas with a Mario style spin It would of matched your feeling while also being imaginative

[@noheffthing]

@@MocaHere devs are still more hardworking than youtubers

[@kwisowofer9872]

“Jumping off tall things is fun.” -Odyssey Central, 2020

[@nnasimok]

Like the Great Plateau Tower in BOtW

[@TrickySlickNick]

Oh yeah death is cool

[@IloveGodDoyou]

Everybody do the flop

[@weepingwillow3562]

No no, he’s got a point

[@thatgamernoob5186]

Hey kwisowofer whats with the krad emote for a pfp huh?

[@soepbert]

For a second I thought he forgot to mention dry bones for smash but he got us covered in the last 15 seconds

[@alexB30741]

But it’s waluigi for smash right *awkward silence* right???

[@akaranayt]

@@alexB30741 It’s always been dry bones for smash. Who even is waluigi? (Sarcasm)

[@alexB30741]

@@akaranayt ik but I want waluigi in smash 😂 lol

[@akaranayt]

@@alexB30741 but who even is waluigi? That is the true question.

[@DJTileTurnip]

He really forced it in a lazy way

[@xtreme3394]

I love that people are still talking about this game even 3 years later! It's my favorite game of all time, and this was some excellent content!

[@ABitofEpicness]

Okay, while the Snow Kingdom is very mediocre for an Odyssey Kingdom, I still give it credit due to the presentation when you initially enter the Kingdom. At first, its very mysterious due to all the snow and the ice water preventing you from exploring, so the only place you can go is to fall into the center of the snow... until you fall into a town of friendly and adorable bear people. It really caught me off guard, and more importantly, left a big impression on me

[@64NintendoNerd]

This again produces a feeling of ICEolation.

[@EpicMann88]

stop plz STOP

[@mudkip99]

@@EpicMann88 i guess that pun was too *COOL* for you

[@EpicMann88]

@@mudkip99 you stop to but sub to me lol

[@mudkip99]

Dont worrie, i will tell everyone i know to dislike all your videos 👍

[@EpicMann88]

@@mudkip99 no U

[@ThePenguinG]

Dang it, now we can’t bully odyssey. Edit: holy crap that’s a lot of likes.

[@localchubbyboi1367]

We can. With 3 words: Dry bones sucks

[@pyromaniac8898]

Honestly, I feel like the thought of isolation fits with an ice themed level

[@LDSports933]

ICEolation. Copied this from a top comment.

[@tibby4503]

@@LDSports933 cringe

[@LDSports933]

@@tibby4503 that was a cringe comment indeed

[@Mana_the_great777]

@@LDSports933 at least u admid it

[@Suspressable]

@@Mana_the_great777 “admid”

[@anthony449]

The wall thing gave me the idea that the snow kingdom could have been on a mountain top

[@thejedisonic67]

Sorta like how Pac-Man World 2 did it

[@SNAKESSMANDONUT]

In early concept art, it was!

[@youngsoundp]

2:51 those transitions were amazing

[@Helicopter7]

I just noticed how good those transitions were

[@robertsteinberger]

14:43 "So if they replaced these snowflakes with something unique" - beautiful.

[@chrisreigthekirbo6801]

Shiveria is the worst Russians: *starts crying*

[@jacobstrangman7564]

He said Shiveria was the most meh kingdom.

[@spider219]

Also Russians: *Cry's in comrade*

[@diegone080]

@@jacobstrangman7564 it's the worst snow level in every 3d mario game And this is sad because other odyssey levels are so amazing

[@mrkill2020]

@@spider219 wholesome 100 big chungus moment

[@v.k5417]

@@spider219 The USSR died a long time ago, also it is "cries" and lastly you aren't funny.

[@TheShinyDude]

Shiveria does have one of the best out of bounds with that race track

[@petery6432]

Next up: Every Super Mario Galaxy galaxy: Super Mario Galaxy's most mediocre galaxy.

[@ljcv6588]

He was trying to say that in the future they will say that all super mario galaxy galaxies are mediocre (i think)

[@petery6432]

@@ljcv6588 It's a joke about how OC hates Super Mario Galaxy

[@ljcv6588]

@@petery6432 yes i get the joke

[@thefedoraclan1364]

@@ljcv6588 well his comment is mediocre because galaxy is the best mario game

[@ljcv6588]

@@thefedoraclan1364he said it's a joke

[@Cheesehead302]

Damn, this is actually one of my favorite ice levels since the game came out.

[@NameName-yj7lp]

Yo the town in this kingdom is so small and I feel like it has potential for super cute things like a cafe Yknow

[@TheAudacityChannel2020]

Idea: Let's fix it! A series about fixing anything about any game,for example Snow kingdom,Mario goes missing,Color Splash etc

[@The_REAL_WannabeCake]

A Good Idea But Does Need A Better Name

[@Tonytendomilk]

Here after 3 years, your mic has imrproved so much and youre way more interesting

[@mewhenimnotme]

"I believe that this kingdom contains the hardest moon in the entire game, that being the Iceburn Snow Class S Circuit" _Breakdown Road-Final Challenge would like to know your location_

[@RGC_animation]

LOL

[@bend4456]

Its not that hard, just jump dive. By far the hardest is volleyball 100

[@goldstrike1276]

Dude that's so freaking true

[@TomatoRadio]

No i agree with odyssey on that on

[@ethancheng6734]

That one is pretty easy.

[@daniele__hope]

2:51 that was the definition of smooth

[@SiddharthG-y5e]

I honestly enjoyed this kingdom a lot. As a noob, the linear sub-levels were fun and it had a great cozy asthethic. It would be cool if we could go into the Shiverians's homes for more exploration and little hidden moons

[@timofei5771]

The walls make the level feel more ICEolated. GOT'EM!

[@immaduck7099]

*laugh track*

[@veggiet2009]

I will say that I actually really like the blizzard time in the Snow Kingdom, it's so dark and mysterious, and the small landscape isn't as much of an issue because you have to feel your way around, I think this segment could be a little longer to make finding moons in the kingdom a little more rewarding, but I think a big improvement would be when the blizzard lifts to be presented with a huge snowy wasteland, mostly flat, ice regions to skate on, and big ice and snow sculptures sticking up out of the ground... then take the shiveria town and stick part of it above the ground. A unique mechanic for this world could have been pushing around the large snow sculptures that let you physically rearrange the world

[@zconqueror]

I honestly loved this kingdom

[@Ant.3499]

Im glad u did

[@FaisalBashir1]

If they replaced the cold water with normal water, then it would be a lot better

[@ffionb5018]

Found ur channel a week ago and I’m obsessed with your videos already! This game has so many things to explain and explore and it’s awesome to see other people as into this game as I am

[@2004solara]

I honestly would've made it so that it was a large kingdom with lots of areas to explore, the middle is bland but the edges are colorful and bright, on the outside of shiveria you only see the bland part during the story, but once the blizzard is cleared is when you'll get kind one of those cool seaside moments with the sunset. Then it'll be like a split decision on which side you want to explore next, with the middle being the hub of shiveria and at least 3 moons to keep you in the middle.

[@vortexsports4921]

I would 100 percent want to see a series with all the kingdoms really enjoyed this one

[@fernando98322]

I was such a big fan of the Snow Kingdom, it leaves a first great impression. And then it's empty 😭 Still love that new species!

[@The_REAL_WannabeCake]

The Shiverians Are Super Cute

[@Ian64]

I would’ve made the Snow Kingdom based off of Russia - with colorful, candy-like onion roof castles, and maybe have a secret Soviet-style concrete bunker that could also be a reference to the svalsbard seed vault.

[@dg_777player5]

The aspects I disliked about Snow Kingdom were basically the same that made me not fully enjoy every kingdom in the game. While I love Super Mario Odyssey I think they should stay away from making either small or bland kingdoms. I think that all of the big kingdoms should have more enemies and hazards in order for them not to get boring and the smaller ones should not only also have more enemies but should also be bigger in size.

[@Loganisamazing]

I think it would be great if u continued to do more reviews like this one for each kingdom

[@enclosedgranddad1715]

Whenever I get to that second fork on the globe, I like to choose the Snow Kingdom first just to get it over with. LOL The music and civilians here are charming, but this kingdom feels too closed-in and like a small crater for my liking. This is definitely my least favourite out of the "full" kingdoms.

[@alexholley2712]

Same here, also: Which one do you choose on the other fork (wooded or lake)?

[@enclosedgranddad1715]

@@alexholley2712 I usually choose Lake first, since I like Wooded more.

[@alexholley2712]

@@enclosedgranddad1715 Ok, I always choose wooded because in feels weird to choose lake 1st, still prefer wooded though

[@enclosedgranddad1715]

@@alexholley2712 Yeah, that makes sense. I just like getting Lake over with first, especially since it's very short.

[@TAYBR00K]

Odyssey Central finally centralising Odyssey

[@bigant9625]

Odyssey: Snow Kingdom is the worst Cloud Kingdom: Phew I dodged a bullet.

[@jacobstrangman7564]

The way you ended was hilarious. "Dry Bones for Smash and I'll see you all in the next one." Also, can you do "Why the Wooded kingdom is the most popular" video?

[@Reecee]

I forgot that the Snow Kingdom had any bosses

[@rollingkirby]

“Hardest moon in the game” Darker side multi moon, Volleyball and jump rope moons: *Doubt*

[@BigCheezy42069]

You forgot about mountain when talking about the Mario norm

[@susybaka0148]

It’s not as common in Mario and platformers in general

[@roykoopabestboy]

Cascade is kinda mountainous

[@BigCheezy42069]

@@roykoopabestboy what

[@cormacmccarthy1889]

We can agree that it's the worst non-mini kingdom, but we can also agree that the Shiverians are the best npcs

[@kings7988]

Next can you do your thoughts in lake kingdom. It's one of my favourites since I hate water levels and this one erases that though. And it's quite fun do the koopa racing

[@lillith7257]

Lake and Seaside are amazing water levels

[@grumpy_rain_frog]

I don’t think Shiveria is a seriously thought out concept. I think it exists to give the player a break.

[@colecube8251]

honestly my main problem is just how small the town is. It really is just one long hallway with a few tiny offshoots. it doesn't feel like a place real people could live and it loses that coziness for me. I wish it was a larger underground area (almost like the underground city from wet dry world, just, less creepy and abondoned) also the outside should be on top of a snowy mountain or something. Having the walls souround you makes it feel incredibly boring and small

[@foxthor0528]

Omg. At first I was like: “Siv-what?” I honestly didn’t remember this kingdom AT ALL. It was just a blank in my mind.

[@crazyboygamingz7506]

At least this kingdom doesn't have rosalina

[@jacobstrangman7564]

What do you have against Rosalina?

[@abol6906]

She is made out of garbage

[@bcsbernard]

@@jacobstrangman7564 odyssey central hates rosalina

[@Insanityy2323]

@@jacobstrangman7564 rosalina is cringe

[@traviscunningham7062]

@@Insanityy2323 NO SHE ISNT!

[@LNERStudios]

Bowser’s Kingdom has 62, only 7 more than Snow which is insane. Also i love the music

[@xthriteenx]

Only redeeming factor is how cute the shiverian are

[@lama99654]

Snow Kingdom does have the best inhabitants though. They are just so round and fluffy.

[@v.k5417]

They're the worst ethnic group I will genocide them

[@gammaboost]

I think the most underrated kingdom is Lake Kingdom. No one really talks about it.

[@actros_l8567]

No one talks about it Just like the drill in among us 3D

[@kings7988]

Is one of My favourites. Specially 'cause of the out of bounds glitch there

[@actros_l8567]

@@kings7988yea

[@tacowizurd6557]

No one talk bout da moon kingdom tho

[@pineaxolotl]

@@actros_l8567 we don't talk about the drill.

[@sonicobama6679]

My personal problem with this kingdom is probably mostly that it's less of an open-worlded explorable kingdom, it's more like an obstacle course.

[@Raven-mo7gn]

I remember voting with the poll for this and I'm glad it came out

[@grandios2930]

Those transitions were so smooth at 2:51

[@tren810]

I love how you flex on us by doing spin pounds and stuff.

[@Caisadilla]

How did NOT get recommended this 6 months ago!? I've been complaining about Shiveria forever now and I haven't seen much discussion about it. I'm so glad you properly voiced these criticisms because I share them too. Also, you talking about removing the walls makes me think it'd be cool if the walls were gone and just have the kingdom be on top of a mountain. It'd make sense since the locals like to roll and it'd feel awesome looking down from a huge mountain

[@yeledcenter3906]

How to fix Snow Kingdom: 1. adding a boss fight in order to reach the first story moon 2. being able to explore the race area

[@zanmolecules4105]

0:50 ok so I’m not the only one who makes the selecting cascade kingdom mistake. Anyway, I figured that this kingdom could’ve been improved in multiple ways, but honestly there should’ve been more to shiveria town. Some overworld music in the normal area would be nice. Good video

[@theredmanman390]

I hope this vid does well as I love mario odyssey and love to hear other people's opinions. Can't wait to see what you want to talk about next.

[@theredmanman390]

And I do agree with your opinions and I forgot to say something. Dry bones for smash

[@soepbert]

Kingdom👏review👏

[@zacthedededefan2249]

*Talking about how Shiveria is Odyssey’s most mediocre kingdom Me: Dang! You’re really good at this game! So many perfectly timed jumps!

[@LDSports933]

Odyssey. It's Tuesday in my timezone. You thought you were safe, didn't you? Well I'm sorry but... 𝗬𝗼𝘂'𝗿𝗲 𝗴𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗮 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗯𝗮𝗱 𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲

[@Odyssey_Central]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@loganTHEhunter90]

YOUUUUUUU

[@loganTHEhunter90]

@@Odyssey_Central i hate this level lol sooooo much

[@LDSports933]

@@loganTHEhunter90 level? Edit: nvm i'm dumb

[@leblondjames8092]

Odyssey I love your vids plus Mario galaxy is a great game

[@wowzercowzeram406]

No joke, you should do a level analysis of 1-1 of super mario bros and talk about why its a MASTERPEICE in game design

[@Nin10doCentral]

If you haven't heard, in Ceave Gaming's Kingdom rating video, he said Ruined was the worst Kingdom. At least Ruined has nice aesthetics.

[@Nic_2751]

That has nothing to do with this

[@floraidhfinnie4906]

You- you can’t compare a 2D Mario game to a 3D one, many 3D Mario games have unique styles, super Mario galaxy being the best example; but SM3DW also does some cool stuff

[@thepenguinboi8679]

In Odyssey 2 I wanna see Hyrule Kingdom. That would be cool

[@Xoro2203]

Holy shoot

[@lillith7257]

Personally I think that small icy isolated atmosphere is exactly what they wanted It plays to the theme of the level I think it wants you to feel isolated With the damn near deadly cold water constantly placed around the level The shivering airy surface If it had a chilling ambience it would be perfect I get that it runs against the theme of the rest of the game but imo it serves to make it more unique I think the way to fix it would be to make the raised platforms a lot bigger with more to explore And to make parts of the water much deeper with fun moons to try to race to Otherwise if it did how you wanted I think it would end up feeling like "just like these levels" in comparison to the rest of Odyssey imo So for me personally Cap Kingdom is the most mediocre It literally just does its job It doesnt break the mold It's not too big It's not got too much to explore It's just "okay"

[@Koopa-sx2iv]

I think the largest problem is that over half of the purple coins are in the 4 sub areas. 10 more are inside the town(That's ok), so there are only about 15 outside.

[@gregericson4868]

Someone must have covered this kingdom in vanilla ice cream because this place is bland.

[@ElysiumCreator]

I never understood why this Kingdom was walled in, imagine a kingdom based on an Iceberg, it could have felt so natural

[@scribblecloud]

thats funny cause for me personally this is one of my most fond and memorable ones haha, maybe its just the cute winter aesthetic and music that did it for me

[@nataliemreow]

"You'll mostly be on the boring surface." Me, who is grinding Bound Bowl Grand Prix: *Hmm*

[@protoharry552]

One idea I’ve had for the snow kingdom is a sort of hot spring. The water wouldn’t hurt you, and the interior would be themed around channeling this water into public baths and pools.

[@sam1898]

20:48 I thought he said Starbucks for smash

[@wolfy-sn1dm]

He did XD

[@sshemen]

When the Minecraft oof sound effect sounded, it genuinely startled me

[@Gerald_Da_Gifafe]

To give credit to the Frozen Cheep Cheeps, normal Cheep Cheeps are shown to not have an immunity to ice, so there would need to be a varient that was made specifically for icy water.

[@gigawooper2733]

They should have called this kingdom the "Ice-olated Kingdom" I'll show myself out

[@Nic_2751]

Yes

[@aaronnemeth_]

Great video as always! That would be an awesome series btw and I know you don’t care but for some reason I hate the luncheon kingdom

[@falco.19]

2:56 where are the mountains?? After the forest comes the mountains

[@blueyoshi0818]

I would love to see this channel continue

[@Nokyyyyy]

Man, watching older videos made me realise you sure gained sass in 3 years. This video was still a banger nontheless :)

[@nataliemreow]

2:51 I love the transitions between worlds

[@irulian8285]

Nice 3DW music in the background 👌

[@aceash5.065]

I remember when Lego Mixels was around, the creators didn’t make the e Frosticon’s land just a basic ice world. They added massive ice pops and ice creams everywhere, making it a more desert based location. This could’ve been great for odyssey.

[@DoorbellmanBetterThanSuperman]

"Not one but two hats, woah" -odyssey central 2020

[@HollyCancer]

Watching this 3 years after the fact, but you hit the nail on the head, the first part of the level needs some verticality. Like in Mario 64, both ice levels were based around tower like structures. I remember spending 20 minutes trying to jump on those clear ice pillars near the central platform thinking they'd do something interesting. Perhaps had they had a central ice tower above the town entrance that had some platforming elements to reach the top for moons, the area would have felt more cohesive rather than disjointed.

[@dagoodboyvids336]

I like the walls but if they were wider and had a different shape it would b cool. Or many things to do on the walls like climbing, skiing, or sliding around on them would be neat.

[@TheLemonyBard]

Nice touch adding the Pokémon music for the section about captures

[@evanwyman2276]

The shiverian racer is used for 6 moons: the 2 secret moons, the multi-moon(3 moons), and the s class race in the town

[@Squidward2012]

In older playthroughs now kingdom originally had you only collect 4 moons to go to the next kingdom

[@KittensGeographyExtra]

Thumbnail: Poor snowman😿

[@nintendoboy3605]

You know what you consider the small kingdoms are either linear yet still fun kingdoms like the darker side or are meant to be for story purposes and for a boss fight like Ruined kingdom. At least a small kingdom while it lacks in size it makes up for in challenge the darker side is a perfect example of that. The only exploring that can be done in darker side is that one sphinx you have to go out of your way to find and even that the only reason you'll want to do so is to hear its dialogue which imo was worth it cause its kind of wholesome but in terms of exploration that's pretty much it. But the darker side is not supposed to be a exploration kingdom sure you could make the argument that this game is meant to be exploration and if they kept that level of difficulty but put it into a kingdom that you could explore it would be a perfect finish for the game but i feel like that's what the dark side is supposed to be. The hardest kingdom you can actually explore however in order to truly challenge the player one final time you have to sacrifice that freedom to explore and that's why we have the darker side.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

So, about the whole:''Odyssey has(mostly)more creative worlds than Mario usually does''. That is true...if you're talking about the 2d games. However, looking at the 3d games, all of them except maybe 3d land have some interesting takes on the various typical archetypes of the mario serie while also having several unique ones. This characteristic doesn't make odyssey special, it makes it equal to it's predecessors.

[@cocomon3403]

Where did you find that capture list? I’m sorry I just don’t know

[@Odyssey_Central]

If you go into the map menu there’s a button that says lists and you can check there!

[@cocomon3403]

@@Odyssey_Central thanks

[@frogmouth2]

They took eveyone’s favourite part of Mario sunshine, the over abundance of vehicle missions

[@vgae79alt]

Hey! The cold water fills people who try to beat the game without taking damage’s hearts. I am obviously joking because it could ruin their runs, but there has to be someone with a desire to freeze like in sm64. It gives a sense of reminder.

[@Nic_2751]

The entirety of snow mountain from Pac-Man World 2 is so better and way more narratively cohesive, we first the ranger warning is about the danger ahead, then we scale up the frozen river, nothing complex, then we transition into the avalanche alley, where we’re Crash/Indiana Jones style chased by a giant snowball and immediately makes the threat clear, and after narrowly escaping, we finally reach the summit, where we meet again with the ranger for the last time and hands us the ice skates (the best gameplay in the game) and we race down the mountain to a track that gives Gusty Garden a run for its money. Honestly even levels like Cool Cool Mountain and the ice levels in both Galaxies were way better and more creative.

[@imreallytomcat]

A thing not mentioned about Wooded Kingdom is its Balloon World... It's probably my favourite because of the fact that people can't hide balloons very well there if they just brush on it and leave it be... unless you practice it a lot. Hide your balloons well, people!

[@MM-ir8lz]

SO TRUE, when i saw the title I made my own list and we say the same thing.

[@nnasimok]

So then you were biased?

[@harribo2323]

12:36 what makes it even worse is that this was already shown in the sand kingdom ice cave

[@peterlorincnagy3134]

I HATE the Madame brutale and the Bowser rematches. Mario in them sometimes takes a mind of his own and just straight up walks into the bullets. That combined with my camera randomly moving makes them a nightmare