Furiosa review - no hype - by Rob Ager / Collative Learning

[@collativelearning]

Hi folks, if you're into Mad Max check out my video on Jungian Psychology in The Road Warrior kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioHYkpd_np2Wars I have some other reviews of Road Warrior and Fury Road on my channels too, so just search "rob ager mad max / fury road / road warrior" to find them.

[@TerminalLucidity-uz6sl]

"Revenge stories are boring". What is your opinion of Conan the Barbarian with Arnold?

[@collativelearning]

@@TerminalLucidity-uz6sl I'm not much of a fan of that film either. It's ok.

[@ryangettig274]

@@collativelearning Always love your take Robbie-The Witches of Eastwick ,by George Miller,based on the novel by John Updike,might be worth another look:)Love Jack Nicholson Supernatural flicks like that ,& Wolf,and The Terror!:)Peace...

[@RIVALContentJammerz]

"You killed my pa", "You r@ped my wife", 'You killed my brother" It's why I hate westerns.

[@mpalfadel2008]

I’d watch a video where you explain why Fury Road was the worst, especially when considering the train wreck that was Thunder-dome You definitely know your stuff so I’m curious what I’m missing Please and thank you 🙏

[@main_sequence]

I think making the tanker shiny and chrome is a way to express how well off, how powerful the Citadel is. The war boys spray chrome paint on their "grills" before they die, with Immortan Joe telling Nux "You shall ride eternal. Shiny and chrome". So it's pretty obvious they put a lot of value on looking shiny and chrome. It's borderline religious. It's not only about function with Immortan Joe, but also about form and flexing.

[@scottmcgee6154]

Something like that

[@mankyscotchgit4986]

Yeah, there's a religious aspect, and also a status aspect. It's about conspicuous consumption - if you imagine the amount of labour to engrave and polish a machine that is going to be damaged in battle, it's a powerful way of signalling the owner's massive wealth, security and power in a world where most people are starving.

[@timsimmons9995]

Where are they getting chrome spray paint 20 years post apocalypse???

[@yurikendal4868]

Superb point​@@timsimmons9995

[@neal520]

I always get from road warrior that all the stakes for the action are increased because fuel is constantly a finite commodity, you never feel that with Fury Road

[@dawallaby82]

they did have gas town

[@neal520]

@@dawallaby82 exactly the stakes arent as high

[@3VVK]

Rob just nailed it in the Mad Max 2 comparison back in the days. He said 100% everything just how I thought what made old Mad Max superior.

[@SeabraPaulo]

I like your point on how movies nowadays are obsessed with making everything look pretty. It just ends up having the opposite effect, things become too generic and therefore ugly. Comparing Road Warrior with Fury Road is obvious here but I also think a lot about the stark beauty in The Exorcist for example, or even in shows like The Sopranos or The Wire. And then on a slightly different note, it drives me insane when directors/studios are afraid to make even the characters or the sets look a tiny bit ugly, like when you have a character who's supposed to be down on his luck and yet he looks pretty good, or when a high school is supposed to be rough and yet everything there looks damn spotless.

[@collativelearning]

Stupid isn't it. I finished rewatching The Wire last week - incredible series. Even better on my second viewing.

[@ryangettig274]

@@collativelearning As a game designer,a breakdown on Alien:Romulus would be appreciated!Look's like a 3-way pile-up Of Alien:Isolation,Aliens,& Alien:)Peace..

[@mk-ultramags1107]

Funny you mention 'The Exorcist' because I think the same exact thing everytime I watch it. Obviously it has it's surrealist moments but Friedkins background in documentaries is fully on display. It's sharply photographed. I love the dissolve between the last shot in Iraq and the next one in Georgetown. The contrast of scenery is perfect.

[@RedlegsBluelegs]

Digital vs 35mm/70mm. Same reason Tarantino's movies still look so good today.

[@Plxlinixy]

@@collativelearning Minor detail that shouldn't be forgotten is that the real reason that the current Mad Max films are looking the way that they are and why George Miller went with the Furiosa stuff and eventually doing Mad Max was simply that comic book artist Brendan McCarthy (of 2000AD, Reboot, etc: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_McCarthy ) was brought on to co write Fury Road and do alot of the preliminary design work for it. This detail keeps getting memory holed by most reviewers, but it explains why it feels far more unrealistic and very comic booky in the way the story is done and shot. If you can you should do a review or get a chance to look at the "The Art of Mad Max: Fury Road" and once you see McCarthy's design work you can understand why it went in that direction. If anything it seems that Miller wanted to do a comic book feminist action film in his old age instead of his more grounded apocalyptic work.

[@SkyFly19853]

Mad Max 2 the Road Warrior is still the best in the series... No matter what...

[@collativelearning]

1000%

[@SkyFly19853]

@@collativelearning Indeed. that's the movie I grew up with. it's also true that first and third movies are unique in their own ways. I can NOT say the same thing for Furry Road and Fake Furiosa...

[@coinraker6497]

Absolutely but I don't agree with him that Fury Road is the worst in the series. That title goes to Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, hands down!

[@ingolfringolfrson1577]

Absolutely not, Fury Road is the worst? Literally Road Warrior is the worst, I know you olds are stuck on it, I don’t know why. Fury Road is one of the best films in the past decade.

[@coinraker6497]

@@ingolfringolfrson1577 I actually really like Fury Road, just not as much as The Road Warrior. You think it's the worst? Really? Man I don't see how anybody could like a steaming pile like Beyond Thunderdome better than the Road Warrior....but to each their own.

[@parapoliticos52]

What i wanted to see is the Mad Max character forced to enter , hesitantly, an abandoned metropolitan area, in an effort to find parts to fix his car and explores the seemingly abandoned urban jungle and all the dangers that loom below the surface. Mad max world would look like the world from the movie ''The road'' . You ll have to spend most of your time hiding and running away from danger. Any stranger would pose a mortal danger.

[@christianangel2421]

Good yet simple grounded plot to decorate with all the crazy action that could be thought up

[@mroctober3657]

Yes, revenge can be useful for giving shape to movie plots, but isn't compelling on a human level because once they achieve their goal/revenge it's like 'So what?". Nothing has changed.

[@PurpleColonel]

That's why there's another movie where she actually does something great for other people.

[@michaeldavid6832]

The theme of revenge movies is always the injustice that's inflicted, the injustice that's allowed to occur in the first place, and the injustice all along the way to the revenge. If you don't have injustice then you aren't doing a revenge flick correctly.

[@pinfarmer]

I get it's shouldn't matter but it bugged me that somehow they can make gas, have welding gases and most of all the rubber tires haven't dry rotted to dust

[@melvinseriz]

well, have you seen Mad Max 2? Was it bothering you then?

[@timsimmons9995]

MM2 is close enough in time to justify cars still working and serviceable car parts, tires etc still useful. But at the end of usefulness.

[@yurikendal4868]

​​@@melvinserizno. The time period and setting meant they had resources. In the tom hardy ones, we are in a desert decades after all that, so much of it is junked out or should be

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

I, and most of us, probably agree with the more CGI in a film, the less real it feels - like a cartoon - that is very well said.

[@tgs1766]

I guarantee you see CGI in films all the time and have no idea you’re looking at CGI. Claiming “too much CGI” is a lazy thing to say. Maybe if it’s badly done but so much of it is so good these days, you can’t even tell the difference.

[@Siegfried5846]

​@@tgs1766 Even the CGI that can't be seen is bad, since it allows for more action.

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

​@@tgs1766You can tell the difference lol

[@448demystify]

Had the same issue you did with Fury Road. At the time I enjoyed it but once I did a Mad Max marathon and got to Fury Road I hated it. I realised I was comparing Fury Road to modern action film standards in which it's one of the better ones, but comparing it to old skool Mad Max action real metal on metal crashes, real explosions and crazy stunts, it cannot compete.

[@mankyscotchgit4986]

I think the main issue with Fury Road's action is that it's very repetitive and same-y, whereas Furiosa's action was a lot more varied, which I think will make it more re-watchable, whereas I found re-watching Fury Road tedious and unsatisfying. Both films have very noticeable uses of CGI, though.

[@jjohnson3469]

Fury Road is so frenetic and stylized looking that it took me right out of the movie. And all the gunplay made it a very generic film too.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Your complaint about industry required for building cars is on point and I found the same credulity straining problem with the Fallout series; somehow they have tilt-rotor aircraft and nuclear powered suits of armor being operated and maintained by a group of less than 10k members of the "Brotherhood of Steel". Utterly ridiculous.

[@collativelearning]

Yeah though as a video game I was more wiling to let that slide in Fallout. ... Scratch, just though on, there is a Fallout TV series now isn't there. Haven't watched it myself.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

@@collativelearning I'm pretty sure there was useable vehicle or vehicles in the first Fallout games.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

@@collativelearning Yeah I was referencing the recent Amazon series.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 I haven't seen it, but yeah you're still right, it's utterly ridiculous.

[@mk-ultramags1107]

Yea there were plenty of contradicting elements but because it's based on the game and was whacky by design, it was easier to buy into for me, albeit still inconsistent.

[@thebigragu9952]

I thought it was better than Thunder Dome, and I can see why you’d think it was better than Fury Road. I agree that the setting is strange, I like that the first two Mad Max movies are more grounded. He’s living in a normal house, and is a police officer in the first one for, we’ve become so detached from that.

[@mk-ultramags1107]

100%. I think people tend to forget how grounded the original was. 'Road Warrior' brought in a more full "apocalyptic" feel but was also still very real as well. It was loaded with absurdist humor.

[@RedlegsBluelegs]

Fun fact his beach house from the first movie sold a few years back for about $11m AUD. I think you can stay there as an Air BnB

[@MrCarpen7er]

Lol, no. And it´s Thunderdome.

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

Naw, I like this version of Mad Max more.

[@Klongu_Da_Bongu]

​@@mk-ultramags1107 The Mad Max videogame tied the two together. Basically Max keeps driving and wakes up years in the fututre... So far that the grass and sea are completely gone, "The Big Empty" is the sea that once surrounded Australia, you drive trough ancient shopping malls that have sunken under the sands, and there is an old man prophet who tries to guide Max and make him remember. It's the mystery of the game.

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

I love it when Brits do American accents. Makes my day every time. "Rotten ToMAYtoes!" 🤣

[@stevenobrien557]

Dexter Fletcher on Press Gang... 😮‍💨

[@_scabs6669]

Ratten ToMayToes

[@_scabs6669]

Ratten T'Maytoes!

[@GrumpaGladstone1809]

​@@_scabs6669😂😂😂

[@GrumpaGladstone1809]

😂😂😂

[@LowKeyTired-q7d]

Mad max 1 and 2 can't be topped !!!

[@Jake-fw5te]

Mad max 1 can definitely be topped

[@egoborder3203]

@@Jake-fw5te I still have a soft spot for the original because I saw it when I was 8yo. The car chase at the beginning, and the effect where they close in on the guy's eyes as he crashes terrified me. After that, I was entranced by the movie (even though I didn't really understand it at the time). It doesn't get to the level of MM2 but I still enjoy it from time to time

[@Jake-fw5te]

@@egoborder3203 oh it’s definitely cool and memorable in a way that the others aren’t. Truly unique and experimental film making without much discernible influences aside from the generic western. It’s as if it came from nowhere. Not sure if it’s an all time great for me though.

[@coinraker6497]

Mad Max 1 could be topped, they could restore Mel Gibson's voice instead of the dubbed in voice of another actor. What the heII was George Miller thinking there?!

[@ShakaCthulu]

@@coinraker6497 That’s just the American dub, because the film distributors thought their accents were so thick Americans wouldn’t understand half the dialogue. Just about every BR & DVD is the Aussie og dub, even my cheap Mad Max 4-pack from Walmart.

[@johnmcternan4157]

I always found Superman so much more interesting than Batman particularly his growing up story, he's a god but can't stop others he loves from dying of old age etc, weirdly people find him the more boring character. He's a optimistic but heavily tragic character.

[@collativelearning]

Superman is a much better character than Batman and the first Superman movie is incredible. Been meaning to make video on Superman 1 for a while and why it's the best super hero movie ever. People tend to hate positivity these days.

[@baronvonghoul2]

@@collativelearningwhats your thoughts on the raimi spider man films rob?

[@Whoyouwishyouwere]

The problem with Superman is that he's too overpowered that he's not an interesting story. Batman has limitations and has to train to be able to do what he needs. His costume is really boring too.

[@yurikendal4868]

​@@Whoyouwishyouwerebatman is "super human" in intellect and strength

[@yurikendal4868]

​@@Whoyouwishyouwere We know super Man isn't going to die but he does have layers to him that make him interesting. He has an amazing outlook on life and tries to balance his needs with society as it is. In recent years though he has become cynical over the USA government and for good reason. Hence his refusual to directly obey the USA government. He isn't stupid.

[@cliveog]

The prob with the revenge plotline is it is such a cliche. There was a huge opportunity at the end to do something way more interesting with it, but it wasn’t taken.

[@collativelearning]

Agreed. Maybe finding some sort of peace with Dementus without killing him, like teaming up against Immortan Joe. Dementus had hero qualities. He wasn't all villain. That's what makes him a great character.

[@yodayap]

The scene that stood out for me was Furiosa and Jack talking on the road,simple dialogue exchange but it really felt like a mad max film there. It's a shame that George Miller recently said he doesn't like dialogue and it slows down a film.

[@collativelearning]

Agreed. The film needed more of that barren quite wasteland loneliness and howling wind that worked so well in Road Warrior.

[@Daniel-nk7gu]

Completely agree with your take on revenge stories. Hamlet is one of the only revenge stories I've seen that isn't completely one-dimensional.

[@NickMihelich]

Urulu in Australia is probably the closest thing to the geography of the new Mad Max movies.

[@jekw23]

I like them all. The first two are perfection For me and I tend to watch back to back. Thunderdome and Fury Road are both for the most part enjoyable but I tend to watch them in isolation and don’t see them as adding anything to the character of Max. I can rewatch for first two indefinitely and love them to pieces. They complement each other perfectly.

[@Optics2024]

The problem I have with Furiosa is it’s an unnecessary prequel. There were hints to her backstory in Fury Road, and that was enough. These films are pretty much non stop action, we don’t need backstory or exposition in these films. Characters are disposable and you should never feel safe a character is safe. And making a back story to Fury Road about a character we already know where their future lies??? Sorry, zero interest.

[@egoborder3203]

well the other problem is that it's not really her story at all. More like events that happen when she's around but she's only tangentially related to them. The movie would have worked better as a full-on character study revenge story, but instead there's long stretches where she's a background character

[@Optics2024]

@@egoborder3203 possibly, as I say I’ve no interest in seeing it. But even then I think if you’re doing the “revenge” storyline you’ve a big problem in that you know she’s safe because of Fury Road. If you look at revenge films generally the idea is that they’re putting themselves in massive danger to exact revenge on someone who already has shown brutality to them. There’s no danger in this prequel. And if the film like Rob says doesn’t really show the brutality then it doesn’t really have impact in the same way something like I Spit On Your Grave has.

[@clintonmichael7607]

​@basketcase297 that's the problem with prequels.

[@lazedreamor2318]

Might be wrong, but the most questionable aspect of the movie might be that Furiosa's pursuit of redemption which was mentioned by Max in Fury Road didn't seem all that central. Her moral character didn't appear as relevant in contrast to Max, which is a shame since it's what made the post-apocalyptic setting so appropriate in the first place.

[@701delbronx8]

I felt that way too but I was bored a week ago and gave the movie a shot… it’s pretty good

[@zaphod5660]

Finally a review without the hype or tripe thanx Rob, ps Id love to hear your thoughts on the film wake in fright a great oz thriller .

[@collativelearning]

Oh i'm a fan of that, very powerful movie.

[@ryangettig274]

I find the critical drinker annoying af-fake drunkery would have Bukowski yolk him-also his taste & takes are utter shite.I think Fury Road & Furiousa are convolutted tripe:)

[@leo5961]

It frustrates me that he can only see the surface. The Barbie Movie is about the end of feminism - but he fails to see it. Invincible is about how white men are terrible fathers, who create space patriarchy - and he loves it.

[@patrickdoherty4527]

Yeah, he's awful. He sounds like he's been constipated for years.

[@egoborder3203]

Rob I saw a movie recently I thought you might enjoy. It's called Stopmotion, a small horror movie that came out last year. I don't want to oversell it, but I particularly liked its visual style and the way the editing is used to mess with the viewer in the first half

[@collativelearning]

Will check it out, thanks.

[@Wallyworld30]

I went back and watched all the Mad Max Films after I saw Furiosa opening weekend. I didn't realize how badass "Beyond Thunderdome" was since I hadn't seen it since I was a kid. I complete forgot that movie had a chase scene that rivals The Road Warrior and Fury Road. It's like the last 20 minutes of Thunderdome is one badass chase scene.

[@nahuelborda5290]

I swear people say BT is a bad movie just to look better. Jesus the first 40 minutes are epic! Max vs Blaster! The paralelism with Captain Walker and Max! It wasn't the perfect movie, but it had its own unique charm. Max making the choice to (almost) sacrifice himself for the kids it's the perfect ending about a man who recovered his humanity. Better than Fury Road without ANY doubts

[@AlexanderNixonArtHistory]

@@nahuelborda5290 I love Beyond Thunderdome. Best song too.

[@cantnevercould9660]

How can you think that? The chase scene in Beyond Thunderdome was a cartoon. The chase scenes in Road Warrior were suspenseful and brutal. The chase scenes in Fury Road were badass.

[@cantnevercould9660]

@@nahuelborda5290 Except those "first 40 minutes" are filled with plot holes when you give the film a little thought.

[@nahuelborda5290]

@@cantnevercould9660 The Bartertown presentation and the Thunderdome battle are still iconic, that has nothing to do with plot holes or not. Plot holes have something to do with the overall quality of the movie tho, yes, as I stated is not a perfect movie!

[@egoborder3203]

I have to say I only watched Furiosa out of boredom; I wanted to go see a movie and it felt like the best thing out last week. But I kinda dragged myself to see it. Like Rob I didn't really like Fury Road and had very little interest in this character's backstory. The best thing I can say about it goes for Fury Road, and all of Miller's work: you get a sense that Miller is having fun making the movie you're watching, and at least for me that enhances it to some degree (I feel the same about Sam Raimi, whose movies I don't really like but I tend to enjoy them more when I think about him putting them together). I do feel bad for Anya Taylor Joy because she's become the face of a cinematic failure and I think she's quite good with what she's given. Hemsworth is likewise trying hard but I didn't really gel with his character. That's really all the good The CGI was really noticeable and took me out of the movie constantly. I kept wanting to see a version of the great composition but filmed in a grounded way like MM2. The script felt like a mess because it's billed as Furiosa's revenge story but she's really inconsequential for a lot of the middle

[@JCT1926]

Rob needs to see The Wailing (2016) if he hasn't. It's an extremely clever basically modern version of The Exorcist; although, I think that won't be obvious to many casual movie viewers. I'd imagine it would be extremely obvious to Rob. Anyway, I would bet money on him liking it.

[@collativelearning]

I've seen it. A good friend rrecommend it. Very good, though a bit long.

[@swisspunker94]

@@collativelearning the wailing is very good, would love a video on it ;)

[@JCT1926]

@@collativelearning Right on. I thought it was neat how the director seemed to use the audience's assumed experience with The Exorcist as a huge bait and switch. Not sure I've seen another movie do that before.

[@Thespeedrap]

Mel Gibson needs to comeback as Max.

[@Spaghetto7]

Unfortunately I have to agree that fury road doesn’t hold up to rewatching, I still kinda like it though, maybe like a guilty pleasure 😂

[@Fiveash-Art]

Na .. It holds up. I understand the criticism about some of the CGI in certain scenes, .. but it's not a game breaker. Fury Road is a great movie. You ain't gotta feel guilty for liking it .. That movie rocks. This guy is wicked smart , but he's out to lunch on that one. The first Mad Max movie is boring. It's got some decent action, but it sags big time. The 'characters' weren't THAT well developed. I mean give me a break with that stuff. The first Mad Max movie? Who cares about that one. I never did growing up. It was all about The Road Warrior. Hell.. I liked Thunderdome better other than the stuff with the kids in the middle.

[@Bone237]

​@@Fiveash-ArtMad Max 1 holds up great for me. I cared about the main characters in that, and I can't say the same for fury road. Fury road is a decent action movie by 21st century standards.

[@gomezgomez7759]

Fury rd better than furiosa. Had more heart

[@chrisrus1965]

Sounds like you would prefer The Rover (2014). Same thing but realistic.

[@egoborder3203]

that's a great movie! I guess it got lost in the shuffle, I don't hear many people talking about it

[@Grandmastergav86]

100% agree regarding Fury Road. I've no interest in seeing Furiosa, there's only two Mad Max movies in my mind.

[@AnthonyAdrianAcker]

I've seen Furiosa twice so far and I enjoy it more and more. In the same way I have enjoyed Fury Road more with each viewing. To each their own though. Of course Mad Max and Road Warrior are still better as standalone films. I did find the digital compositions and Unreal Engine CGI in Furiosa was a little jarring but I can move past it once the action really picks up. I am very happy that we have five very solid films in the Mad Max franchise, when many other film franchises such as Alien, Terminator, Predator, etc have mostly dud sequels. Furiosas healing process occurs during the 40 days of war between when she loses it and when she goes back out to seek out Dementus. I totally agree that the film, much like most films and shows nowadays, is too clean and too processed. I miss the imperfection of actual film. Shooting everything on the same Unreal Engine sets, using the same post-processing effects, and making everything perfectly balanced and exposed makes things feel very much like a video game. I want a double feature or a film that combines the Furiosa and Fury Road, but the visual differences between the two would become jarring.

[@parkerjanelle7853]

I have to “that guy” for a minute, but I think the idea that in the post-apocalypse these crazy war machines could be built (let alone driven and operated in a combat setting) is meant to be somewhat fantastic and unrealistic. Great review, love hearing opinions on new movies that aren’t just “this is the best/worst movie I’ve ever seen!!”

[@RichardTheLima]

What a wonderful surprise of a video! Rob, you need to do more movie reviews like this one! 👍👍 (Also: I'm from Brazil, so I appreciate the good mention to City of God!!)

[@collativelearning]

Love City of God. You folks slammed it with that one :)

[@RichardTheLima]

@@collativelearning YEAH!

[@JonYeo]

I always loved that the first three ‘fables’ were all stylistically different and played fast and loose with continuity. Fury Road came along and repeated the tradition, little to no continuity and stylistically something new. So it seems a bit of a shame that the 5th one breaks with tradition and is the first ‘repeat’ in the series. A lot of people saying ‘old man Max’ with Mel should have been the 5th film. Can’t pretend I wouldn’t love to see it. Also, I recently listened to the first three novelisations read out on KZbin, never read the novels and I really enjoyed the extra layers. Road Warrior has quite a different end scene.

[@jasperswarp]

The writer(s) of Fury Road credited the British comic 2000AD as an influence (more specifically the cursed earth from Judge Dredd) something I picked up on at my first viewing. The War Boys with their repeating slogans resemble any number of cursed earth cults that follow a ‘godlike’ leader, the guy with the metal nose immediately reminds me of the surgical enhancements of Rico (Dredd’s brother), Furiosa’s metal arm reminds me of the character Mean Machine, or others shown with robotic limbs. and lastly any number of weirdos, freaks and deformed characters are a stand in for the cursed earth mutants. To me, the Fury Road story set in the Judge Dredd universe makes sense, the cursed earth societies could scavenge from around the still functioning Mega Cities, giving them fuel an resources and allowing them to survive well beyond their means.

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

Synthetic Man has also called out this annoying trend of some people shilling for bad movies

[@kalgore4906]

The internet has always been filled with grifters but as the world as gone to shit the charlatans come out in full force and double/triple down

[@AnonymousAnonposter]

@@kalgore4906 Let's be honest here, you think they are grifters just because they say something you don't agree with. In the meantime, completely ignore Breadtubers who are by far some of the biggest grifters on the internet for years.

[@MAJ0R_TOM]

@@AnonymousAnonposter Traitors before enemies logic applies here. What's the use in telling a normie conservative that Vaush is a feminist? People like Critical Drinker turn conservative minded youth into accepting feminism from 30 years ago and you see that reflected today in the fights that so-called right wing parties just gave up on. Being a progressive from your dad's time doesn't make it traditional.

[@kalgore4906]

@@AnonymousAnonposter I didn’t specify who I thought were grifters I simply said the internet is full of them. Of course a commie/socialist is going to be a grifter that entire ideology is a grift lol

[@Caffeine_Club]

Synthetic Man is a POS. Shilling has been around forever, this isn't some new revelation. There are tons of shills with KZbin channels.

[@StoneyBrownTV]

I truly wish we got more from Kennedy and Mel Gibson's era of these movies. They were truly the best. I even appreciate Beyond Thunderdome. The new movies are okay by me but the focus on the visuals has worked in favor and against these movies.

[@aloc23]

sorry for being off topic, but as you mentioned you started to watch the northman here, I would like to mention that while it first appears like the typical revenge story, but in the second part of the movie his vengeance is challenged by a plot twist I won‘t reveal here.. not sure if you watched this far, but I personally felt it was refreshing to see this sudden shift in the story line

[@celebalert5616]

I agree ... the stoic / silent character is so overdone nowadays ... how many times is that just a crutch for not writing good dialogue esp for a girlboss character like this?

[@collativelearning]

It's even worse when they stare into the camera, posing for us like a moody fashion model.

[@Mr_Feller]

I walked into the movie expecting it to have a 2020’s sheen of “girl boss” and was pleasantly surprised. I don’t regret seeing it, but don’t know that I’d watch it again. I’d recommend it for sure.

[@TheNightBadger]

I know some people love Anya Taylor-Joy, but I struggle with her onscreen presence because she has 'actress face' - that look modern young actresses have where you know they haven't actually done a days work in their lives, and if they weren't acting they'd be models or something. So they get cast as different characters and my internal reaction as soon as they're onscreen is "Oh - an actress" - which is exactly what you don't want. I don't want to hate on her, but her performances haven't really impressed me either, and I just don't get the hype. Big-eyed stares just aren't enough for me.

[@Wien1938]

That's a very good description of the problem. I've been trying to think what it is that I've been seeing in all those actresses (aside from an inability to act).

[@coinraker6497]

I haven't seen the movie yet and honestly can't even think of one I've seen her in. Who are some other actresses you'd put in this category?

[@TheNightBadger]

@@coinraker6497 Offhand I can't think of any, I tend to just register whatever the latest one is, but there's been quite a few over the years. I first started noticing in the early 00's. The actresses have a waifish model-esque look, and you usually get a gut feeling they come from a fairly comfortable background.

[@Dreadnaught1Aw]

They used CGI on her face for when Furiosa was growing up.

[@Animei9]

It's always funny to me when people pick and choose what points of non reality to complain about. A small community with no real industrial ability can't build cars is bad but the same community can somehow produce automotive fuel is ok? Petrol goes bad in a matter of months. Replacement fuels require manufacturing and modifications of the automotive engines. But, apparently, that's ok. As long as they don't make the vehicles

[@RIVALContentJammerz]

If the sponsored channels aren't getting paid for positive reviews of a particular movie, their at least playing the game that the corporate world rewards.

[@collativelearning]

that's very common. In journalism if you challenge certain people too much they won't agree to future interviews.

[@VeryImportantPepe]

bike engine thumping sounds alone make this worth the cinema watch.

[@yurikendal4868]

Odd that the tech levels are a distraction. For a collapsing civilization, it is odd that they can have massive fleets of massive vehicles

[@1001johny]

Sir i really appreciated your review, because it was an actual honest review, thank you very much.

[@Samthebasedman]

The reason why the first movies were great was because George had to rely on whatever he's got, there was no CGI back then. Now, CGI makes anything possible so George Miller could make any story he wants. In summary, he always wanted to make those kind of stories like Fury Road and Furiosa.

[@collativelearning]

That does seem to be a CGI problem. Loads of great films makers were forced to stay grounded in reality by having to film in reality. Then they went CGI and their heads went off into the clouds.

[@MikAlexander]

@@collativelearning I do believe in mixture of cgi and practical. Looks good. But stuff like marvel films, that's too much.

[@DrDemoman74]

I actually like mad max 1 the best, its actually very unique seeing as most other IPs are inspired by its sequels.

[@razzledazzle15]

I agree with your analysis about the abundance of vehicles in fury road and how absurd that is. In road warrior, beyond thunderdome, gasoline was a precious and scarce commodity, and so were bullets. In furiosa they have the villain firing off thousands of rounds of ammunition as well as rocket propelled grenades. It’s rule of cool run amok

[@westeast6599]

One of the big problems of prequels is that, more often than not, the protagonist along with several other characters are never in any real danger because they must be in subsequent movies. This was a huge problem in Furiosa, because not only does she have to survive, but the secondary villain, and all of his henchmen also have to survive. So now you have basically just Dementus, who gets the insulting "oh, he was there the whole time in the first movie you just didn't realize it" treatment. All in all a rather boring film.

[@CarlFredrik-uo1cu]

I know you have a lot of interesting stuff in the works Rob, and I'm really looking forward to that. But I must say I also like these movie reviews of newly released films. You did a couple of those in 2019, Midsommar, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Joker, and Doctor Sleep. I think if you did more of these types of videos they could potentioally boost your subscribers a bit. Many people watch moview reviews (particulary of new movies). I know you don't go to the cinemas often, and that you're a busy guy, but I would really appreciate if you did more of these, even if it's just once in a while. Your movie takes are always refreshing and interesting to listen to. The two channels I enjoy listening the most to when it comes to movies (which also are deeply underrated and undersubscribed to) are your channel, and deepfocuslens. She i really well articulated, and she has a lot of great takes and reviews (you two also seem to have a lot of overlap in your film taste) (I guess they don't take that long to make compared to lot of your other work.)

[@collativelearning]

I've seen some of deepfocuslens stuff. I like her. No frills, very straight forward. You're right about getting more engagment in relation to new movies. I need to do more, but I just ...l can't stand most new releases I see. I'd turn into Critical Drinker lol.

[@mk-ultramags1107]

@@collativelearning It's hard for me to get excited enough to go see a film. I find that by the time I may get around to something, it's already on VOD so i just watch at home. 'Megaopolis' may be the next film to actually get me to the cinema.

[@Themanwhosaidsorry]

Being genuine, you're the only critic i actually trust. YMS is just awful and Critical Drinker praises shit movies/shows as long as they're not woke.

[@Whoa802]

YMS is complete shit. He is shallow and nitpicky and yet seems to think he's smarter than other critics out there just 'cause he watches a lot of obscure foreign/indie films. Glad to see someone calling him out here.

[@DeCapitanOG]

​@Whoa802 he went off the deep end. I think he used to be one of the best but started leaning into meme culture and just tries to be as nasty and edgy as possible.

[@theafflictionvhs17]

_Drinker became way to political to point where basically politics became thee deciding factor weather a film or tv show is “good” or “woke trash” he’s too simplistic & predictable nowadays._

[@DeCapitanOG]

@theafflictionvhs17 I don't even have a problem with it being the deciding factor. I just wish he'd have the balls to go deeper. Just say you have a problem with homosexuality being celebrated, race mixing, perversion, gender confusion etc. "Woke" is a cope.

[@coinraker6497]

I recently discovered the Critical Drinker. Loved him, binge watched a bunch of his videos.....then got bored. I totally agree with him about the woke culture but can only watch so much of the same message over and over.

[@bariswheel]

Excellent critique , I like you offering solutions to your critiques. It distinguishes you from the other movie critics

[@QuothTheRavenclaw11]

Seeing the trailer for the first time, I thought, "I wonder what Rob thinks of this?" Been looking forward to this for awhile.

[@TheBurdenOfHope]

Can’t say for sure mate but I’ve not had one of your videos in my feed for months except this one! KZbin “doing its thing” again. On the plus side I’ve got plenty of your content to catch up on!

[@collativelearning]

Yt is terrible in this way - less than 8% of my subs get a notification. Sometimes much lower.

[@Ignirium]

For a movie about revenge, i thought and felt that "I Saw the Devil" was incredibly good character and story wise, and the catharsis at the end for both prog/antagonist was excellent. One of my favorite movies.

[@davidhayter7954]

You're insight is so good. Miss seeing you on youtube! Some of the best content ever. Are you aware you got a shout out a couple years ago on Joe Rogan from a guest he had on? They referenced your 2001 work

[@collativelearning]

cheers which guest was it on Joe Rogan? Was it the woman who'd written the book on UFO's. she was really nice. Had some good email chats with her.

[@TunnelVisionAthletic]

been waiting for this!

[@Wallyworld30]

George Miller copied a awesome scene from a Sidney Portier movie. When Immortan Joe in an attempt to show Dementus how powerful he is tells him to choose a war boy of his choosing out of his 190 Warboys and Dementus picks one at random then that Warboy immeditely kills himself. The exact same thing happened in a free to watch movie on KZbin starring Sidney Portier about the Vikings vs the Moors called "The Long Ships" (1964). If you pull up the move on KZbin it's time code is 1:33:33 when that exact scene happens. George Miller would have been 19 years old when it came out and I have no doubt that he has seen that movie.

[@mroctober3657]

It reminded me more of Conan The Barbarian when James Earl Jones asks the woman to jump off the ledge.

[@Wallyworld30]

@@mroctober3657 John Milius is one of my favorite writers in the history of film. He was also a massive history buff and no doubt watched "The Long Ships" as well. He took the Sidney Portier scene and made it better. George Miller did the same.

[@collativelearning]

I saw that coming in the scens and remebered the same from conan.

[@lordmalal]

Always amusing how many elements of modern movies are just ripped off from some B movie the writer or director watched as a teenager. Tarantino's made half his career doing it.

[@stevenobrien557]

Yeah, it would be totally unrealistic for Immortan Joe to take an idea from a movie he saw years ago.

[@majesticfool]

The whole point of mad max was the anti-hero lone wanderer archtype, which the new films completely miss. Yeah, max is tough but he has flaws and a tragic kind of loneliness too him. Which makes the first two films fascinating. Strange that the new films and fans miss this completely. Same thing happened with the new Fallout show, which got glowing reviews but it was dreadful and missed the whole point and ambience of the original games. I also found Tom Hardy and Charlize had no personality or charm. Mel Gibson carried those original movies hard.

[@collativelearning]

I saw gibson in Road Warrior when I was 9 yrs old and he was like the new Clint Eastwood. Incredible screen presence.

[@coinraker6497]

I like The Road Warrior the best and agree Mel Gibson has way more charisma in the role than Tom Hardy does. Probably not all his fault though. For some reason George Miller decided to make him just kind of mumble all his lines...odd. But he's still the same anti-hero lone wanderer type. Just like the Road Warrior he only teamed up with others out of necessity and just like the Road Warrior he goes back out on his own at the end.

[@andrewbard4648]

I just came across this review! It's spot on and to add to your criticism about her losing her arm. My wife lost a finger in an accident a month ago. It still hurts her now and she had surgery and proper medical attention and its still not great, it hurts when anything touches the "nub". Her losing an arm would take months/year for her to recover in the world they're in and even though maggots eat rotted flesh they don't stop infections, there were no stitches, no nerve damage? People aren't built different in the future and even if you have a god tier level of pain tolerance there's no way in what? A few days she can just press a "robot arm" against her still open, raw arm? But hey its a movie and it was good.

[@LuluDZulu]

the second half of the northman has quite a few twists that directly address the basic revenge plot that are also seeded in hamlet

[@johngoras73]

Other day I was thinking about that scene in Road Warrior were the GyroCaptain is watching through a telescope a group from Humungus's gang run down and have their way with some would be escapists from the Goodguy compound. There's a grimly funny bit where he's watching the gang grape and kind of smiling in a feral way as though he accepts that this is a world where the men from the other tribe are outright killed and the women are taken away, usually after being taken right on the spot. Fair enough. That's most of history recorded or not. Then after the act, the Gyro Captain sees them just kill her. The baddies aren't even capable of life/perpetuating life, they're just a straight up Death Cult. Great scene.

[@solidusSnake73]

Hi Rob, great video. Do you have any thoughts on the 1977 movie Sorcerer? I watched it recently just from seeing the movie poster and thought it was astonishing, the sort of movie that would never ever be made these days. Starting with 15 minutes of non-english dialogue, the nothing-held-back portrayal of poverty and violence, the crazy special effects like the bridge scene. At the start of the film Serrano denigrates someone as "just a soldier" and his wife snaps back "no one is just anything", I work in a mucky blue collar field and you would never believe the variety of people who end up in these rough jobs - one of the only movies I have seen to do that justice.

[@jjohnson3469]

Have you seen the original 50s film Wages of Fear? Friedkin could be so hit and miss but Sorcerer was fantastic.

[@cuddywifter8386]

Jack looked like a young Stacy Keach. There's alot of clues to say the Max in Fury Road is actually the child in Road Warrior he even had the music box. That said, I prefer Mad Max 1&2

[@collativelearning]

Yes he did, Stacy was in the classic Aussie movie RoadGames as well

[@egoborder3203]

I thought he looked more like Richard Jordan, but yeah his eyes do look like Keach's eyes

[@cuddywifter8386]

@collativelearning OMG, yeah, I forgot about that and it was out the same time as Road Warrior. Given Cars that ate Paris influenced the cars in Fury Road, it's possible that movie influenced part of this movie

[@Leon-zu1wp]

​@@collativelearning Points to your for knowing Road Games. Very well written and underrated film even though the third act isn't that great imo.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

Yeah like you I initially liked Fury Road, but the more I thought about it and watched it I realise it wasn't that great. I also realise Tom Hardy is an overrated actor.

[@collativelearning]

i've not liked anything I've seen him in yet.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

@@collativelearning I think there was a point when I did, but you get familiar with his schtick and then you realise he's limited. He also has a habit of mumbling his lines.

[@egoborder3203]

I don't think he's bad, but he struggles as a lead. He reminds me of an interview I heard with Eric Idle, where he confessed that he was about 40yo when he finally learned to act without wearing a wig or costume. Hardy and Johnny Depp seem to have this problem where they can't seem to act without a lot of makeup or, in Hardy's case, some kind of prop obscuring his face

[@egoborder3203]

@@collativelearning he's quite good in Bronson

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

@@egoborder3203 I don't think he's terrible, but I don't think he's this world class actor either.

[@heavysystemsinc.]

Making the tanker shiny is a thematic choice...a shining example of hope.

[@Enerki]

"Infinity Pool" and "Possessor" are the best movies I've seen in ages.

[@davidmclaughlin8022]

In my opinion, the futility of revenge was one of the themes of the film. That's what I took from the 'multiple choice' ending: maybe Furiosa shot Dementus in the back of the head, maybe she burned him or dragged him behind a car, maybe she turned him into a tree. Ultimately it doesn't matter and nothing was changed. Everything he said before he died was true.

[@Wien1938]

Without having seen it, I would immediately suspect the revenge plot as being a clumsy analogy for "fighting the patriarchy" where the villain represents men in feminist discourses.

[@Watcher369]

I think you missed, the 40 day war or whatever was going on while she was dealing with her arm

[@collativelearning]

Was that in there? Yeah I must have missed it. I just recall a short montage.

[@sole__doubt]

If a review channel has sponsors they cant be trusted, period.

[@jimklenz2544]

The story of how Fury Road was made might change your mind on some of the points you've made here. In many ways its a much more interesting story than either of the recent films. How it took almost 20 years of starting and stopping and how many times it almost failed...and mostly because of how hard they worked to avoid CG. I know lots of films say they did everything practically when they didn't at all. But if you study how Fury Road was made you'll see an example of just how practical the film was done and they don't hide the few VFX they did use at all. Whereas by comparison, Furiosa, had some clearly full on CGI shots that were really fake looking, aside from just being polished which I get not liking. But it's your channel and I really enjoy it! Keep up the great work, Rob!

[@jimklenz2544]

Well I didn't do my homework. Furiosa seems to have done just as much live action/practical work as Fury Road. But they did use a lot more complex tech to do that practical stuff. Seemingly, neither film used much CGI if you consider what CG actually is.

[@lsjshez6940]

Solid video, Rob. Just one gripe: you can’t be bored by grumpy, revenge driven characters and love Mad Max. He might as well be Batman. As for Furiosa: I enjoyed it enough, but felt that when it dipped it really dipped. Whereas Fury Road sort of kept me engaged throughout.

[@romes9465]

The landscapes in the movie are supposed to be the sea bed, this is also in the video game where you see this kind of unfamiliar terrain which looks very alien.

[@kalgore4906]

I’ve noticed they had eased up on the “woke” as the years go on. Now is that because the market has spoken or is there something more sinister going on….

[@collativelearning]

Market I suspect, though it's still there.

[@GeorgeSpiggot]

For me it finishes with Mad Max 2 The Road Warrior. The feral kid being the narrater was the perfect end. Don't like Thunderdome or Fury Road and have absolutely no interest or intention of watching the latest film.

[@danbal4185]

I had the same experience with Fury Road on subsequent viewings. There are obviously some great moments of cinema (it's still Miller after all) but the original Road Warrior is another thing entirely, it has much more rewatch value thanks to the story, acting, atmosphere...

[@rustydelorean6405]

The difference between them all is that the new ones it seems civilization is “thriving” in the apocalypse versus just barely surviving. People can adapt for sure but you wouldn’t want to be expending all that energy ( needless action) in times of famine.

[@GenX_Catholic]

The proper representation of the character of Batman is not one of revenge but rather a desire to protect others from what he went through.

[@collativelearning]

I disagree. Batman is a posing gimp ;)

[@GenX_Catholic]

@@collativelearning damn

[@unstopitable]

Would be fascinating if someone could seriously investigate if some of these review channels are getting paid sub rosa for favorable reviews. Would not surprise me one bit, their rave views of crap are so laughable. What the original Mad Max movies were able to achieve, on such shoestring budgets, borders on the miraculous. So many things came together just right. It has some of the best "world building" or "society building" I've experienced. It's one of the reasons why the movies are so effective. You actually feel like in you're inside a world that is inevitably going to come to pass. Nowadays, more money is put into spectacle than actual story. Thanks, Mr. Ager. Hope you're well. Cheers.

[@Mrfreezejumbo]

Contrarianism is the mental shorthand for intelligence among midwits and capital for those looking to push easy engagement. Too much CGI is not a real critique. If it took you three viewings of a film to notice you didn't like the CGI, how distracting could it have been?

[@collativelearning]

It didn't take three viewings. Some of it I spotted in the very first viewing (how could you not) and it was annoying. More if it became noticeable in the next viewings. the main problem was the story and characters. First viewing it was just great to have a Max movie with a lot of action after Thunderdome didn't deliver in that respect. Second viewing the story really fell apart. Third viewing was even worse. Where as the first two movies age like fine wine, esp Road Warrior. Your contrarianism rant there appears to be self-referential ;)

[@nicolasarcanjo9529]

Rob i'd like to hear your thoughts on Possession (1981) by Andrsej Zulawski. I saw recently and tought it was fantastic, very disturbing and surreal experience

[@collativelearning]

Saw it once. Decent from what I recall, but memories are vague.

[@hornedgod2873]

I agree with you about fury road

[@joshuasroufe4742]

brilliant vid rob. touched enough nerves to make even a dead man wiggle. curious if you have found anything post 2020 delightful, or if there was anything you generally enjoyed?

[@collativelearning]

Can't think of anything off hand. Lol ... actually Beau Is Afraid but it was too long.

[@pantera29palms]

Fury road was a masterpiece. Gets better every time. Furioua, well…..never saw it.

[@Disinformation_Hoax]

It sure wasn't. Fury road and the blade runner thingy were both awful, cartoonish like Rob says.

[@ralphwigham8033]

With your comment about the arm, the 40-day war happened and during this time, she was recovering.

[@TheSwordfish009]

I loved Furiosa. Gonna watch it again. Chris Hemsworth character and acting for it was god-tier.

[@5pacecake]

"As the world falls around us. How must we brave it's cruelties?" "they won't scum us anymore." "we are looking for a place of abundance." "I will be called the Great Dementus. Ruler of the biker gang. Lord Guardian of Gastown." Give me George Miller every day please.

[@MrS-pe6sd]

These companies will pay for bad reviews if it energizes the people that hate those reviewers to go see that movie. Boutique marketing, it is all kind of underhanded shit. It’s all about appealing to or pissing off the right tribe

[@dzauthor]

About Dementus mistreating Furiosa, it’s hard to catch the part about Dementus using Furiosa’s blood during the trade with Immortan Joe and the blood sausage scene. The cage and on wheels and her face mask are other indications of her mistreatment. That said, her fury made a lot more sense to me after Jack’s torture.

[@ryanladuke9399]

Excellent critique of the latest film Rob!

[@swisspunker94]

very fair review, I agree this one is better than fury road. One thing that I believe is an inherent issue with revenge movies is that the "lesson" of the film is always the same one. Revenge isnt worth it and it doesnt bring the closure the main character is looking for. I could easily name you 30 movies with that message, its too predictable.

[@curiositycloset2359]

Its possible to make it that shiny, but youd have to polish it alot, if you had slaves, well.

[@oronbaba]

I do understand the expectation that even a fantasy film would represent a world that features something like recognizable rules of physics and biology. But really… I think your demands for “realism” are really far-fetched. Like, maybe watch a Ken Loach movie? (For the record I have not seen Furiosa and while I admire Fury Road, I’m not a groupie for it or anything)

[@collativelearning]

MM and Road Warrior already delivered the kind of realism I (and many others) prefer, so there's nothing far fetched about it.

[@kevycanavan]

“Full of CGI” In a movie famed for being a nightmare to film because they did everything practically

[@alantracy6757]

No they dont do stunts anymore it’s a toxic male activity apparently

[@collativelearning]

"famed for" ... a cursory read up on the production outlines a lot of the CGI used. The don't even do smoke practically a lot of the time.

[@kevycanavan]

@@collativelearning “George Miller has previously revealed that 90% of the effects presented in Mad Max: Fury Road were achieved practically. The film's behind-the-scenes footage also showed how CGI was only used as the icing on the cake for practical stunt work, which would have looked good even without visual enhancements.1 Dec 2023”

[@martynstembridge7714]

@@collativelearning A surprising amount of Fury Road was practical .... but because they jacked the colour levels WAYYY up, many viewers mistakenly believe most of it is just CGI.

[@Sam-qk6tj]

I was hoping you'd mention the history man. That was the most interesting character for me and it allowed for a narrative framing device that allowed a different story scope from all the other Mad Max films

[@collativelearning]

I forgot about that actually. Was a decent element.