FURRY SPENDS $20,000 ON ART COMMISSION

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Twenty thousand?! That's taking "suspiciously wealthy furry" to the next level!

[@DriftScale]

Suspicious and stupid

[@5dollarbiggiebag]

Ah i see your a man of culture as well

[@SawBSketch]

Click viewer as well?

[@5dollarbiggiebag]

@@SawBSketch indeed

[@FlashX212]

But where can I find the suspiciously wealthy ones that will commission me

[@linkiepai]

I've never questioned Izzzyzzz's knowledge on the internet subcultures and whatnot since I've binged watched different videos of many different creators over 10 years. If youtube recommended it to me, I watched it. I can't play, draw or do anything without background noise so that would explain it. I don't consider myself a furry but because of youtube I know sooo much about it among other things. Video essay channels have become my favorite in the last year, long videos about very specific topics!

[@BetaEtaDelota]

I kinda like how youtube videos have shifted to just good background noise! I'm always flattered when people say I'm good background noise for whatever content I make! But yeah Izzy nailed it LITERALLY in the first minute of the video

[@linkiepai]

@@BetaEtaDelota I did binge watch your channel when it was first recommend 😄 very good background noise while gaming

[@Cobblestone621]

I usually watch commentary channels, icebergs, and gaming videos while I game or draw. And I also can’t do anything without some type of background noise, I also listen to music sometimes. It’s just so important, I’ll get bored if I don’t put anything in the background.

[@STARSHOOTERRR]

@@BetaEtaDelota can you please come to fresno ca

[@STARSHOOTERRR]

@@BetaEtaDelota my dad hates furrys but I like furrys

[@pwilll]

We absolutely stan izzzyzzz. Her makeup is always incredible, her messaging is always on point and concise, and her knowledge of obscure internet subcultures from the deviantart/tumblr side of the internet is neverending. Absolute queen!

[@lostjellyfish]

love izzzyzzzz too, but they use only they/them pronouns from what I know just to let you know if you didn't know :)

[@WhyRyeBread]

@@lostjellyfish she/they! :D

[@osteophagus]

"Sick of waiting" sounds like it had been a while. For $20k that art should have been top priority, the fact that it apparently had not been started until they made threats of legal action sounds sketchy on the artist's side. I wasn't part of the situation though so I'm of course missing the whole story.

[@MartenFerret]

This whole auction and the ensuing drama was fake. First, shill bidding is a common practice: want to make something seem more valuable or in-demand than it really is? Just rig an auction (the sellers are usually in on these). Second, if the buyer really wanted their money back, the LAST thing they would want is the art (just think about it).

[@spahghettiboi4150]

OH yeah this youtuber is fire. Also yeah. whoever got that commission done got their bag.

[@BetaEtaDelota]

absolutely!

[@NaughtyNovaroo69]

@@BetaEtaDelota but that's the thing, they didn't put it on hold or be used out by the considerable money like how banks do with atms. It's 60-75 on the artist and 40 25 of the better for no clean communication through FT or mention of substance in their bloodstream. if the artists saw what the manic spending spree looked like or how his med put him through I feel like the artists should put it on hold for some time while keeping 2nd and 3rd close by just in case it fails or the buyer pulls out for whatever reason I'm shit at explaining things but I hope you understand where I'm coming through

[@stagiergnome6122]

Most expensive piece I've gotten was from JECBrush. It wasn't hella expensive, but 20k? Thing better be fully animated and be able to talk for 20k, that's a new mid range car

[@rikamix]

Furries bidding on things is crazy. At my first con (Anthro Weekend Utah) the bathroom sign sold for 2000$ at the charity auction.

[@NewVanquished]

2 years later this video has popped up suggested for me so many times and I had no idea it would be Beta reacting to an Izzzyzzz video. 10/10

[@pyrook4074]

as someone who has owned a few closed species characters in the past (nothing as notorious as grems but still decently active/popular) the access to the community is definitely the best part of it. often closed species groups have daily events where you all draw each others characters based on different themes, make stories, roleplay, have game nights, etc. sometimes there’s even exclusive discord servers just dedicated to closed species. it is a really fun thing to be a part of and the concept is great however it’s extremely prone to toxicity/corruption due to its “pay to win” nature and people worshipping the creators like gods lmao.

[@BloomInTune]

Communication would've saved a whole lot of issues throughout the drama, and means so much even if it's not as expensive of a commission. I commissioned a piece (sort of a small scene) back in March from an artist, and was aware that they had regular stuff to take care of as well as other art, since I had commissioned them in the past. It's nearing the final stages now, but they've been so good about keeping me updated on the progress of the piece, whether it's in direct messages or their twitter posts. It's a stark contrast from a separate artist I bought a YCH spot in October, and while they've had life stuff happen too, they never even replied to direct messages; only replying to a question of mine on one of their tweets offering refunds to people they hadn't fulfilled commissions for (whether in full or in part). Seemed like from others that they may have kept taking on more than they could handle since it was still income, and I'd probably feel sour if that YCH actually happened, but I would prefer the service be rendered than left on the table.

[@traxonjackal]

That creator has so many awesome deep dives - including furry adjacent things like neopets, animal jam, and those open world ones... worth the watches!

[@traxonjackal]

As far as the "communities", these species have been around for at least 10 years or so. Ultimately it boils down to diet-furry, there's roleplay opportunities, contests within them, mostly people just drawing with, for each other just like furries but based around a more specific creature. They can be like other artists - get to know someone, enjoy them as a person. Or they can have the same surface level interactions as furries, where someone goes "uwu cute art!" the artist goes "thanks" and that's the only interaction that a $500 character design has brought. I guess that's most similar to a fur getting a super expensive fursuit, you can use that as leverage to be seen and then interact with more people, or you can stand around like a doll. Not that I care how someone uses their fursuit, their character, etc... but that's just kinda how that is.

[@CyberWolf04]

I love Izzzyzzz's content so much her voice her makeup everything about her never bore's me I always Binge watch her video's when I have nothing else to watch Also Beta as always love the video 💙💙💙

[@STARSHOOTERRR]

I think glitch is gay

[@lostjellyfish]

Izzzy is great! just to let you know that they actually use they/them pronouns. :)

[@CyberWolf04]

@@lostjellyfish Oh sorry didn't know that they went by they/them

[@kuyakuma]

Izzzyzzz is a internet historian and commentator she researches her topics like crazy Oh she's an artist too

[@hobabo9703]

I'm gonna be honest, both sides handled it poorly The commisioner couldn't really do much because of their episode, but they could have tried to keep themselves off the internet or something. The species owner could have finished the design before people started bidding, or refunded the original commisioner and sold the design to someone else

[@literallyunfunny]

That's not how manic psychosis works, unfortunately. Especially for the first time it hits, most people don't have a plan in place or informed friends/family ready to help them, which is kind of the point of why it's so scary. I would still partially just say, yeah, that's what happens when you get sick. That's the danger. If you blow your money, you can't just say "it wasn't my fault" and it will all magically come back. If you threaten or scare your friends, ruin relationships, you can't just say "I was insane at the time" and bring things back to how they were. If you don't sleep for 3 days and sustain yourself on energy drinks, saying "I didn't know what was happening to me" doesn't undo the heart attack that just put you in the hospital. But the difference here is that this was a one-on-one interaction; they didn't buy a bunch of hobby equipment or antique art from a bunch of different stores. The artist should have clearly seen this as unusual behavior. I would refuse to accept 20x the worth of something I'm selling to an individual regardless of the situation, though I recognized the mania loaded in the bidding comments as soon as they were shown. That's just too much money to keep if there's any reason at all it may have been given in error, definite "my mother would have been ashamed of me for taking it" levels of money.

[@pyrook4074]

the point of a “custom” design is that it is specifically designed based on the commissioner's specific parameters/theme/tastes etc. if the design was already made before being sold that’s just an ordinary adopt which wouldn’t have been nearly as expensive since the best part is telling the artist exactly what you want and how to do it. the situation really could’ve been handled better as a whole though.

[@osteophagus]

I'm here to join the throngs of people telling you Izzzyzzz is fantastic, I am full of glee to see her on your channel, lol!

[@silvaroo]

Aaa so happy you reacted to this video Beta!! Izzy is an amazing KZbin creator, they are awesome :D

[@grizzlynightmare8011]

Dude I am so high watching this vid atm. An I swear it’s 10x better than normal! You rock Beta!❤️

[@sillykavat]

I am a furry that started in closed species, drama is very common and not everyone in there is a furry but it’s a common overlap. There is *usually* at least one suspiciously wealthy person. Closed species is definitely similar to furry- you own the design so it’s like an OC/fursona but more exclusive and with more rules lmao I was a designer, the appeal of that is just doing adopts on a base. I was getting some too- I barely bought any (was in a lot that had free raffles and being a designer I’d occasionally do design trades with other designers) but it’s fun to buy- if you really boil it down it’s just like buying an adopt from your favorite furry artist.

[@reddywhippanda6714]

I loooove Izzzyzzz! Always has the best video essays and the best makeup looks

[@daniellclary]

I am a furry artist. Not that big or well known. So I be rather cheap. Average price someone spends on me is about $75. To some that still sounds like alot, but that still lower than minimal wage considering the hours I put into it. So an artist does not always make bank doing art. Now I never done an auction before. So never had something like a mentally troubled person lead up to drama like this. But I have certain rules I follow that prevents drama. I don't start work until the money comes in. Once the money is in, I jump on it around that day. I make some sketches and then send them to the buyer. This is to show, yes I am working on it, they don't have to wonder for months where their money went, and I get their opinions to make changes as I go. I send updates. Something many artists just don't seem to do. This rule alone could have prevented the drama this artist had with the buyer. However If the impulse buy really put the buyer in a bad spot and they really did not mean to do it. I cancel it for them, and bring up the next highest bidder. Because with the bidding it be stated if the highest bidder falls apart, it goes down to the next person. Kinda like how any computation when a winner gets disqualified.

[@NexLegacyAccount]

So I used to be sort of into the adoptables community back in the mid-2000s. You're right in that it is kinda like furry, but instead of people taking the characters and acting as them, they're usually used as OCs in group roleplay scenarios. The Lands of Evelon is a perfect example. It's an old message board I used to half live on. It has a bunch of creatures that you can "adopt" and use in several different subforums representing locations within the lore of the site. It's a fun time that used to be extremely popular.

[@BetaEtaDelota]

What is the MOST EXPENSIVE Art Piece YOU'VE ever gotten? Check out the latest video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3uZdWqCmM6Copo

[@ishantkumar]

my university graduation photo, took 4 years of my life to get.

[@Hushlittleone3000]

Hi

[@Rownoscc]

None because im poor as fuck 😂💀

[@STARSHOOTERRR]

Hi

[@chaoticdragon913]

I love izzyzz videos a lot. Her voice I could listen to on a daily basis even if the topic i have no idea the topic of.

[@ishantkumar]

beta and me had the same reaction on hearing her voice 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@snow2267]

Izzzyzzz is an awsome youtuber that covers fandom history and internet culture. Love listening to her videos!

[@GlowstoneWolf]

i remember this happening!! never knew about how it ended, very cool

[@CatchThesePaws]

Omg I became a furry through that Wanna Die Young music video too 😭 I watched that video obsessively and I’m also so happy for Vivziepop that she has two real animated shows now! The animated fnaf song by Rhett and Link was an anomaly video to me because it was a combination of everything I was obsessed with at the time: GMM every morning, fnaf every second of the day, and vivziepop making me a furry lmao

[@MythicMachina]

This whole ordeal feels like NFTs before NFTs were a thing.

[@SnafuOrganization]

Yeah Izzy reeeeeally goes the extra mile on doing the homework. Thus the uncanny familiarity with furry.

[@avaro1282]

They way this gal talks about the closed species makes me think of them as pokemon cards.

[@asgardiandino]

Izzzyzzz also has a really good video on Rainfurrest, and they mostly cover things like failed kickstarters or just general internet culture.

[@raineterni2219]

16:53 they usually roleplay, get fictional currency and such, but it's really just about the feeling of having something special, really. I own few original species characters, but I never bought them for money, just traded for art in most cases of were given it as a gift, lol

[@TheFurEffect]

Yeah, I would never spend over a few hundred for digital art since it can easily be copy and pasted by someone in a country like Vietnam and use it as their own character. Digital art theft is extremely easy to pull off since different countries might have their own different platforms where you'll never find out it happened until it's too late Also, as an auctioneer, I'm not 100% sure about other places in the world, but I'm pretty sure in the US there isn't a limit on how high someone is allowed to bid as long as the buyer can pay -Ace

[@bubblesthebluefox]

as an izzzyzzz fan she just does an EXTREME amount of research like beyond the second page of google

[@DenitaArnold]

I can relate to "spending sprees." I'm not manic, but I have MDD, and often I would over spend to handl stress, etc. On a positive note, this lady is great at making classic Garfield

[@Axolotl_Animations]

Like I saw this video like a few weeks ago and it was disturbing, and I already knew that he was Gonna react to this video hah. Love your videos!

[@PixelaGames2000]

Wow this was such a crazy dumpster fire of a story Btw I’m a fan of Izzys content I believe I found out about there channel last year I’m not sure witch video was the first video from there’s that I watched I can’t remember But I recommend just watching the rest of there content because it is super interesting,informative,and just an overall great video to put on and listen to in the background while you’re doing something else Also that Garfield art is a mood it’s also really pretty I hope I can make art that pretty someday

[@SilentProductions-026]

The animated die young video MAY HAVE STARTED MY FURRY THING!

[@Im-Dead-BRB]

I love Izzzyzzs more than life, been watching her for ages. She's a deviantart girlie so, of course she knows about furries.

[@deweycox8409]

I'm totally with the GREM team here. I feel sorry for Caravan but it wasn't the GTeam's fault that Caravan was on meds and was having a mental breakdown. If they allowed the refund, it would hurt the integrity of future auctions; it invites flaky bidders who will jack up the price knowing they can just appeal to GTeam's sympathy. Serious bidders will also be punished as they either pay more than what was necessary or lose to someone who doesn't want the product as much as they do. You can't just contact the 2nd highest bidder either because they're not obligated to work with you. They could have already used up the money, decided they don't want it, whatever. Lastly, since there's no way out, Caravan should have kept a level head and gave the GTeam ample time to finish the design. Again, the situation sucks, but because of their impatience and lack of emotional control, they now lost $20k+ for an unfinished, cluttered piece. It could have at least been great if he gave them more time. For comparison, game splash arts are around $3k - $5k (granted the auction is more like a doing a ref sheet but that's the quality I expect). Depending on how fast artists works, some can finish within a week, some in a month or two. I still wonder what happened to Caravan. I wonder how they got the money to pay for it. Are they ok now or are they still paying for this mistake?

[@protohorizon5215]

One thing it got me thinking about is that the artist might've not wanted to give a partial refund because they were scared that it could catch on. Commission something, demand partial refund. And if it's denied it'll go into "But what about this person? They got one, why don't I?" Plus the other bidder might've been pissed, cause they were willing to spend 20k and then someone else out-bids them and then negotiates the price back down. Don't get me wrong, 10k is still a lot, but I think it's more or less the principle they saw in danger. Cause as soon as you start giving in, there will always be people trying to exploit that. Especially when you're a freelance artist. Do you really have the time and money to go to court over this? A lot of people build on that mentality, which is honestly pretty sad. I'm not trying to point fingers btw, just trying to wrap my head around some of the reasoning.

[@beardedruler7986]

Did anyone notice what the Garfield in a box in the background said cuz it's pretty interesting

[@lars_filmore4997]

vivziepop creating furrys in 2016 with jayjay. vivziepop also making furrys in 2022 with loona

[@kiko-fi2ze]

Beta you need to check the splatoon 3 direct, there's a pool float shark special called reefslider.

[@SoupSpot]

Why couldn’t they give the guy a WIP instead of making it that bad and then saying it’s a done deal?

[@northernlyn]

Where are these suspiciously rich people and why arent they commissioning me Edit. After listening a bit closer, and reading up some more on the messages. Id say this is just one of those damned if you do, damned if you dont situations. Not in a literal sense but more of a both sides are neither right, nor wrong, just a bad situation that caught both parties involved. Ps. The comment was made in response to my joke. The edit came afterwards

[@BetaEtaDelota]

i know right?

[@tiagotiagot]

Looks like there's a bunch of small corrections on the details of the situation on a pinned comment on that vid

[@tiagotiagot]

I've just realized something, adoptables were NFTs before crypto...

[@MythicMachina]

I love Beta immediately thinks she might be furry for knowing certain topics and completely neglects that she might have just done research beforehand to explain the topic better.

[@LemonSnake1111]

3:20 YES ME TOO. THAT VIDEO IS WHAT GOT ME INTO FURRIES TOO WOW , WE GOT THE SAME FURRY AWAKENING

[@monalisamartian5472]

as an artist he got scammed that desing that artwork is a coloured sketch at best id be riotiing if i paid that much and a sloppy muddy anthro was what i got

[@notafurry3813]

The best thing about this is that I'm not involed, and I did'nt spend 2.5K on an avali-protogen with the colors of homelander.

[@MulinaTheAngelWolf]

I got curious and the current I found was 800~ first one clicked. And it appears to be a raffle style win to pay.... now that is the DREAM.

[@evil_death_roll]

This is an unexpected crossover. I love it!

[@yoriemakeeta5798]

WE WERE INTRODUXED TO BEING A FURRY BY THE SAME PERSON AND THE SAME VODEO

[@michaelanesius3147]

I found izzyzz like 2 weeks ago, and I love her content

[@xXToraKobayashiXx]

I should create a closed species too, the highest adoptable I sold was 1,5K 😂

[@aquamarine13yt]

I run a closed species thats practically rollercoaster dragons, as of writing this our user community is just under 100 people and the highest ive ever sold an adopt was maybe 60 dollars (to me it feels like a lot) and for us its practically just furry but more niche. We talk about coaster news and theme parks and draw eachothers characters and I like to worldbuild with my species, hoping to add some scenery to my portfolio. I enjoy some closed species but its all based on how much i like drawing them, lore and attention put into the species but even if i happen to stumble upon a popular one i dont really care for but i like the character enough ill just get them for the character. Ill admit much of the community is about status which kinda sucks, i wish i could come up with ocs from the species without an myo ticket (which i personally think myo tickets are silly in concept but its not the end of the world) but i can manage

[@blurredwolf2339]

Ahh i've been enjiying izzzyzzz's videos for like good 1 to 2 years. 'v'

[@dragonildreamy161]

oh let's go izzy

[@SlimothyJimothy621]

Bro I gotta save up 75m coins in my singing monsters so I can get a wubbox, it’s gonna take awhile boys

[@stormcalypso123]

while I rly don't like this movie, what makes me so so sad is how the wishing tart which is so powerful and connects every Disney movie made, is just a little plushy like creature. It doesn't rly have much magic shown, I would have definitely preferred the "star boy" idea. But that is just my take.

[@calibur1128]

Closed species are basically just nfts but that have slightly more actual value.

[@Rainbowdragon2]

The instant I saw the price tag I thought "Cha-Ching"!

[@lightning_mcqueer1242]

Kinda unrelated, but i cant find this anywhere online, is the " wagon" species a " closed" species of fursona?

[@lightning_mcqueer1242]

Just dont wanna make an entire fursona, and THEN realize its a closed species

[@acgraphics1139]

No such thing as closed species u can’t copyright a species only a character make what u want :)

[@showoe3126]

pyrocynical reacted to this before you. this says a lot about society

[@sinisterglitch200]

i have left the furry fandom because some young furries are bullying me

[@trevorstiles1008]

There has to be “cokeacola” deal somewhere because it can’t be just art I ask why 20k?!

[@HebuTheLoneWolf]

meanwhile Miles charges avg 2k a slot on hes YCHs "hes an NSFW artist so keep that in mind if ya gonna google him"

[@TheJaguarthChannel]

I hate the idea of closed species so much that i spitefully draw them myself, and if there are any rules, I break as many as I can. I just fundamentally oppose someone trying to artificially enforce some kind of authority on a passion which is meant to be as free as possible. the Tyrant-Artist is the worst sort of hypocrisy. It is doubly bad that these people often know there is zero legal or moral recourse for their authoritarian grip, and often utilize their communities to oblately harass and attack people for stepping a single toe out of line. Even a small thing such as a minor change to a character you purchased can lead to vicious cyber-bullying.

[@Gold_Yoshi]

Hell yeah

[@zigzag___]

DUDE, DIE YOUNG WAS MY FURRY AWAKENING

[@redjaw751]

Am I the only one confused about what "brown bosses" are?

[@VintageFenrir]

I've got mooroos and chompies. I just really like them. The communities are pretty fun. I just liked the characters

[@SuperCelio456]

Is it me.. or Beta ( not only him , but furry ytbs in general ) are like.. stuck?

[@HotBitchInAnUglyBody]

Wdym?

[@critter_core]

Genuinely Beta, you'd love their channel, they make great essay content- Also who doesn't like Garfield xDD (Watch the dark meaning of Garfield on youtube, I dare you)

[@SiebayRoo]

I’ll be honest, this person absolutely knows what they’re talking about, but even then it made me think when they were explaining closed species how similar it sounds to NFTs. Closed Species are still better though.

[@JinlongTheGoldenDragon]

Man, NFTs are just deviantart closed species for crypto bros

[@PeeperSnail]

I’d argue the fault leans heavily in the artist’s side. Like yeah, threatening legal action was a huge dick move, but that only came AFTER the artist refused to partially refund Caravan despite telling them about the manic episode. And it’s not like the manic episode was subtle. For starters, the huge ammount of money they dropped when the bidding for that species typically stays in the $1,000-$2,000 range. Secondly, the fact that this wasn’t the only insane money drop with the same artist. And thirdly, the other artist clearly knew Caravan’s activity was suspicious and banned them from their own closed species auction, the original artist should have realized straight away that something was up, especially since Caravan’s bidding and purchase history was a hot topic. And the cherry on top was banning Caravan from participating in the grem community. Not only was their manic episode taken advantage of, the artist was petty and threw in a last-minute “screw you” on top of that.

[@xtremefurrycat]

The furry NFTs are adoptables

[@BahamutEx]

Even with the 9k chargeback that result is never "worth" 11.5k... I think the most expensive one I got so far is 70-100€?(which included a tip) Btw. I randomly found you on furaffinity, beta. :)

[@BahamutEx]

Oh and since I don't have a job (inability to work) and you mentioned rent - 20k is more than I have in 3years.

[@SevNeijizawaVt]

13:35 I know some are going to be livid. Go ahead. It's funny to me bc I'm a psychopath. Go ahead & mald, ya seething bottom of a dramafur. ฅ⁠^⁠•⁠ﻌ⁠•⁠^⁠ฅ As far as those who agreed with Delo at this point, I respect you COMPLETELY. I also agree with Delo on just letting the bids go wild bc it's fucken bread 💵💷💴💶💸🫰🪙🤑💳💱💰🏦🧧🈶🈹🏧💹. But I also would allow it to go wild bc it goes to show how much they love furry art. They'll sac the bread due to unwaivering devotion & that passion is 💯% the most beautiful form of FanBean geekification. Fight me if you think I'm wrong. I'm absolutely sure I will have a few supporters of this viewpoint, at least.

[@josephchokeholder]

OMG BETA REACTS TO IZZY BEST COLLAB EVER

[@MyBroSux24]

Adoptables, the nft before nfts was shitty

[@darkdragoneclipse]

They also covered rainfurrest

[@emeraldbristle]

Me if I won a mrbeast video. Gimmie all the art. I don't want to pay taxes ON NOTHING

[@critter_core]

"Oh yeah! I watched that video :D"

[@midnightmilkshake2.010]

She kinda sounds like chipflake the cat furry youtuber

[@gabbo13]

Maybe you can comment about how the furry fandom are managing their finances.

[@petis1477]

Me when get domestos ad:

[@JarMan3]

6:41 that tail is just an espeon tail

[@The_Emptiness_of_Space]

Ye

[@blueberrytigerfox]

I got recommendation of her put her in whach later and forgot about her les than a second

[@topcat59]

Cool vid.😺

[@greenoxidated9377]

15:20 Child's collage savings

[@turnippuff6006]

Who’s Izzy?

[@BetaEtaDelota]

check video description

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

That commission price/value looks way high.....

[@PurpleFurr_]

U wanna know where they get all that money from? Lets just say they were the ones who got bullied for being weird in school.

[@bottle8570]

Me when

[@Lars_Ziah_Zawkian]

For half the vid i thought she was crying xD

[@seangleeson1300]

Furries where the original NFT bros

[@lennonkane7603]

20K bruh moment