FURY brews over Starmer's commitment to Ukraine: 'I do NOT think this war is winnable!'

Conservative Life Peer at the House of Lords, Daniel Moylan, and Trade Unionist and Broadcaster, Paul Embery debate Starmer's decision to commit £3 billion every year to Ukraine.
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[@stevenhowe6677]

Starmer will obey his masters, unfortunately they are not the British public.

[@anthonygee6568]

Starmèr is a lunatic

[@johntoplis879]

Puppet

[@EdgarKlong]

The cardboard box salesmen doesnt even know what a woman is

[@yogautistic]

Kier Pharma

[@RoadRunnerHemi]

No WHO _ No WEF__ No UN __ No NATO __ No Bill Gates __ No to illegal migrants __ No to islam __ No EU and US interference__ Great Britain for the British.

[@phillipdavies9233]

Exactly. My sentiments precisely.👍👌

[@KlavarRecordings]

Let’s just head back to our caves, jees, roll with the times

[@niv8880]

No Bill Gates and illegal immigrants - it ends there afaic. I can't imagine with that attitude you have achieved much in life. I could be wrong.

[@JG-us9lu]

@@niv8880 More verbiage.

[@Treker-yv7nz]

Send prisoners to Ukraine

[@mort421]

excellent idea

[@JT-wo4fs]

Send smellys instead

[@HidrHjjhh]

Doesn't Britain have an immigration problem why don't they send those immigrants

[@TheBlueOwl21]

The UK should not be getting involved in this conflict ! The people who control the politicians don’t want it to end, they are making a lot of money from it !

[@T5Zplayer]

Yes, we should.

[@chrisgrahma5064]

Yes we should. Russia is loosing 1,000 soldiers a day as Ukraine is outwitting them. Must stop Russia, Iran & China. And Ukraine is Europe's largest grain & fertiliser producer.

[@DVL83]

​@T5Zplayer why?

[@johanlaeveren735]

​@@T5Zplayer🤡🤡🤡

[@T5Zplayer]

@@DVL83 The Putin filth has already invaded three other countries. He attacked us with chemical weapons in Salisbury. We are in effect defending ourself against the Putin filth.

[@BarryhBazer]

We need to get are country right first ,stop wasting tax payers money and get the UK on the right track

[@martynblackburn9632]

14 years!

[@richardgallagher4880]

They've took blefast too🙄 It's just as important

[@tulip51-cn1zx]

Our country needs that money NHS should be given that. Fed up with our government sticking their nose in other countries problems. Sorry but we have to get real.

[@stormingnorman7200]

@@tulip51-cn1zx It will be our problem if he takes' Ukraine and then attacks a NATO country we are a member of NATO which will see us involved with boots' on the ground which could see a huge escalation how does WW3 sound.

[@stormingnorman7200]

And how many Billions' are the illegals crossing the channel costing the Taxpayer and NO end in sight.

[@mariewalmsley6143]

We should have stayed out of it from the start.

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

If the UK were to "stay out", the Russians will "stay in", and within a few years British soldiers will have to fight the Russians directly. Is that what you want?

[@T5Zplayer]

Wrong Wrong. wrong.

[@roymiller2859]

You would have let Hitler rip through Europe would you and England would have fallen ! You have to stop lunatics like Putin, full stop !

[@ianclarke7547]

right right right

[@felipe-vibor]

Correct correct correct

[@chrisgraham6148]

Farage is right....NATO gave Putin the excuse he needed

[@martynblackburn9632]

Frage is wrong. NATO is NOT the aggressor.

[@Noel-ji8nm]

What excuse. Putin has been calling for peace negotiations since 2014.

[@cremvirus]

Excuse?

[@user-gd1yg6le1h]

Farage is Putin dog

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

Putin can always find an excuse to invade. If one excuse is not available, he'll just one of the other excuses.

[@andrearoyd2942]

75% of the seats - excellent majority, but only 35% of those that voted, therefore, 65% didn't want and doesn't support this government. SO WHAT CRAP ARE WE REALLY IN FOR !

[@alandraper7901]

Don't start whinging now you were warned. Starmers already solved the prison overcrowding problem. Just by realeasing 30% of prisoners. Brilliant, why didn't anyone else think of that. Who cares if our street are full of convicted thieves they will have learnt their lesson. Er.. won't they?. Labour in power be very afraid? The other genius solution to stop the boats was to cancel the Rwanda deterrent. Brilliant, they dont need to go to Ireland now. Those who did can come back. Labour in power be afraid be very afraid. They'll be telling you that they are going to get benefit spungers into work next. Er.. by putting up benefits. Brilliant. Be very afraid.

[@alandraper7901]

@imi4449 Agree I didn't, though mention electorate. If someone can't be bothered voting, it means they are not bothered who runs the country, in my opinion.

[@alandraper7901]

@imi4449 I am a tory supporter, but voting for them in my constituency would have been a wasted vote. I voted for Reform tactically. My vote was still wasted. Labour had massive support again. Nobody thinks where I live. They must think Labour actually means more labour when it will mean more benefits and more spungers.

[@andrearoyd2942]

@@imi4449 It was a 60% turn out, very difficult to say had the 40% voted what they might have voted. What would be interesting to know, is why didn't they vote. ie confused by presentation of ID - did see one case of that. The number of elderly in care homes. People who simply didn't bother. etc. In Australia you have to vote. But nevertheless, although our system has previously had borderline ratio of the percentage between votes cast & representative of the seats in Parliament. This election is beyond, IMHO a safe percentage. Labour is AN UNELECTED GOVERNMENT, no matter how you tot up the numbers. Very sad for this country since there isn't a fair representative opposition.

[@angelahayes24]

wait until people see the eu defence union starmer is going to sign us up to,Germany and America have already put conscription in place for their endless wars.

[@lorraineprice5984]

We need money spent here, not Ukraine

[@dean-gm1lg]

Forget that labour are in now we will just have to pay more taxes to fund everyone else

[@T5Zplayer]

Putin apologist nonsense

[@T5Zplayer]

@@johanlaeveren735 Salisbury. or are you too stupid to understand that?

[@robshirewood5060]

@@T5Zplayer OSCE reports tell a different story and not the propaganda BS of the west

[@lukeabrams9438]

The UK also is in desperate need to spend money revitalizing ITS military.

[@kitcat4512]

Is that to fund the WEF Global Government Technology Centre they just launched in Kiyv? Somebody ask Starmer...

[@Homeallday]

Stop feeding wars

[@olliereed4206]

It is all about stealing our money.

[@iantobanter9546]

NATO recently refused Ukraine membership owing to their "corruption"!!! We're sick of funding Zelensky's property portfolio and all those supercars in Monaco sporting Ukraine plates. Why ceasefire in Gaza but not Ukraine? What about the spike in European radioactivity from the depleted uranium shells we're supplying? Trump 2024.

[@T5Zplayer]

Putin Love's apologists like you.

[@chrisgrahma5064]

No, unlike Russia Ukraine is tackling the corrupt legacy from Soviet Union days.

[@greywolf7422]

@@chrisgrahma5064 Where were the defensive fortifications in Kharkiv? You wouldn't happen to know, would you? Cough Cough, corruption.

[@aking610]

Don't talk complete rubbish.

[@niv8880]

Actually, NATO has been working with Ukraine on various security initiatives and hasn't refused their membership bid. There is no credible evidence linking President Zelenskyy to any lavish spending or exotic car ownership. It's important to fact-check information before spreading it. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Russia-Ukraine war are separate issues. There is no evidence linking NATO or any other country to supplying depleted uranium shells to Ukraine. It's crucial to verify information before sharing it to avoid spreading misinformation.

[@glentyan2505]

They say we never learn rom history and that is true if you read many of the comments on this topic. Those who are acquainted with European politics of the last 100 years will know better and countries like Sweden and Finland who have joined NATO are all too aware. Appeasement never works and standing up to a bully is the only way to stop them. History has told us that.

[@randomclick2826]

We’re the expansionist empire. Russia is the one that’s no longer appeasing.

[@paulhealey6129]

If a British dark shadow cruise missile lands near Putin then downing street better watch out,,, starmer is crazy 💯🤡

[@dean-gm1lg]

We can only hope

[@paulhealey6129]

@@dean-gm1lg 😂and pray 🙏🏽

[@susanwestern6434]

'Storm Shadow.'

[@Think.com21]

😂😂

[@paulhealey6129]

@@susanwestern6434 aye storm shadow 👍🏽😂

[@thomaspaine5601]

Insanity.....

[@T5Zplayer]

Putin needs you

[@level10boy]

The curse of Zelensky continues here in the UK. Ukraine can't win this war I'm afraid, that is the cold hard truth. Best outcome is some kind of peace treaty.

[@firstsecond-ft1qg]

Ukraine can and is winning.

[@JG-us9lu]

​@firstsecond-ft1qg No they are not. Putin could squash them anytime he wants.150 mill vs 37 mill. Get real the only way is for the yanks and brits to send troops. Then we all know happens China, Iran etc will join forces with Putin . You conscripted to go and fight the 1st economic world war. You will be fighting for the globalists.

[@niv8880]

You are quite the oracle. What are your qualifications for spouting this? How did you become such an expert? The Ukrainian military has shown remarkable resilience and determination in the face of Russian aggression, and international support for their efforts continues to grow. While a peace treaty would certainly be a welcome development, it's important to recognise that Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity are non-negotiable. The Ukrainian people have a right to self-determination and should not be forced into a settlement that compromises their fundamental rights. Instead of focusing on defeat or surrender, we should be working towards a more nuanced approach that acknowledges the complexity of this conflict. This includes continued diplomatic efforts to address the root causes of Russian aggression, as well as sustained international support for Ukraine's military and humanitarian needs.

[@JG-us9lu]

@@niv8880 wow, that's some verbiage.

[@stevensainsbury6338]

USA UK EU zelenskys WARMONGERS what about teachers nurses doctors the UK people shame on you labour shame on you

[@KlavarRecordings]

Labour have been in a week

[@sushi0408]

Best idea another referendum can change this Britain save. Reform party police is best. Labour is waste policy.

[@pubsignart5762]

The West has no chance of winning, its about time you get somebody on the show who knows what they're talking about, like Scott ritter or col Douglas mcgregger

[@tribalque2232]

Hasnt Douglas McGregor been predicting Ukraine was on the verge of collapse from a week into the war

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

Scott ritter or col Douglas mcgregger haven't yet made a single correct prediction.

[@milesnixon9554]

Lol. 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀

[@alvinasun8055]

@@tribalque2232 do you know that ukraine is not collapsed? go to ukraine and see for yourself if they are collapsed or not. You only know what the west shows you in order o continue laundaring money and prolonging this war.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@gintasvilkelis2544 I know of quite a few analyses they have made which have happened and are happening, Ukraine will never win this.

[@barriewilliams4526]

No problem, we have loads of money to throw around. 9 million a day on hotels, free iPhones, SIM cards, e-bikes etc. We must be loaded.

[@Think.com21]

The last days of Rome

[@philstabler]

Your mates Tory robbers

[@andy1way]

The plan is to get all our young men fighting in Ukraine allowing the new arrivals to take the spoils.

[@stequality]

You voted for it

[@MelissasArt]

​@@stequalityVote now, think later. Always the same with that bunch.

[@andy1way]

@@stequality What did I vote for and how?

[@andy1way]

@@MelissasArt Which bunch are you thinking of?

[@stequality]

@@andy1way labour

[@RoadRunnerHemi]

NO NO NO to Ukraine, No to the EU, No to th UN and No to Nato

[@kasperchristiansen4234]

@@RoadRunnerHemi Yes, to Russia ?

[@alvinasun8055]

@@kasperchristiansen4234 For Russia is always a YES from me! Love Russia!

[@niv8880]

@@kasperchristiansen4234 exactly

[@RoadRunnerHemi]

Oh i forgot, NO TO GAZA

[@geordie1032]

The government should not have the authority to give so much of our money away without our consent

[@KlavarRecordings]

You gave consent when you voted. Half the country didn’t consent to Brexit but here we are

[@austenj4539]

No negotiations proposed to draw up a peace plan. Just war. Pathetic. Keep 'Starmering On'.

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

You can't negotiate with somebody, who's obsessed about erasing you from existence.

[@vincentvangogh8092]

Ukraine gave up a ton of land at the end of the cold war but they wont give another hectare and i dont blame them

[@julianpetkov8320]

@@gintasvilkelis2544 Are you talking about the US and UK "Think Tank" articles about Erasing Russia, Gintai? 30+ years of hate and wet dreams...

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

​@@julianpetkov8320 It's not "hate" when you are simply being vigilant against an aggressive empire that wants to end your existence as an independent country, instead of being just a normal country that focuses on making the lives of its own inhabitants better. Did you know that the vast majority of countries in the world are NOT empires, and they are doing perfectly fine being just normal countries? Why is Russia so bent on bakrupting itself for the sake of this _vanity_ project? Given that you know how to inflect correctly Lithuanian nouns, this suggests that you are one of those Russians, who lives in the comfort of democratic Lithuania, but who wishes to "return" his host country -в родную гавань- в родное говно?

[@joshuapaul2022]

Starmer is a puppet like all others.

[@georgerj2419]

3 billions is a joke. Still considering the UK is certainly not doing well, it is a considerable amount of dough. This should tell people that someone else is making the policy.

[@loracle540]

Peanuts for our freedom!

[@KlavarRecordings]

48 billion was spent on PPE to a torrie friend, it was all burnt, not fit for purpose. That is 14 years of support for Ukraine

[@niv8880]

@@KlavarRecordings Factually incorrect. £12.7 upto July 2020 on PPE related to the pandemic. Two dodgy contracts worth £140m and £84m. None of this adds up to £48bn. The entire PPE budget until the end of 2021 was circa £20bn. There are plenty of reliable sources you can check before posting utter rubbish on YT.

[@Kdb-hl6gb]

Spend here! We need it! British Taxpayers money

[@tara1941]

This should he going to the N H S Russian will NEVER let the Ukraine join NATO or the West

[@firstsecond-ft1qg]

It’s not up to Russia, let the Ukrainians decide freedom or slavery.

[@user-fh7mt4ox5c]

Can we count the number of territorial disputes around the world that the UK is not involved in? How about funding and arming BHARAT (India) border dispute with Pakistan, you know, to strengthen democracy v dictatorship? Then, how many ex-Soviet states have border disputes? How about sending the UK military to protect Armenia against Azerbaijan?

[@PaulLancaster-hj3kx]

We are borrowing £350 Millon every single day, thats £3 Billion every 9 days. Interest on the massive £2.7 Trillion debt is now well over £200 million every single day. The end is near.

[@paulthomas-hh2kv]

We can’t pay it without cutbacks or tax rises as it stands

[@jameswhyte5094]

A reminder that someone is making a fortune from this war and it certainly is t the British taxpayers.

[@tulip51-cn1zx]

Yeah Putin.

[@francesbrown5116]

Blackrock .

[@KlavarRecordings]

Britain is getting rid of its old equipment and British companies are creating new stock for ourselves, it very much is the British benefiting

[@niv8880]

@@KlavarRecordings So is the US defence. It's also surfaced the weaknesses is Western defence - especially in the UK where everything is under invested in. But now we have a new leader, I'm sure he will magic up the money to fund his ambitions without raising taxes more.

[@bertiescunsbutch9323]

How about negotiations with Russia and a conference on the whole security of the region involving every country of the region and the world.

[@randomclick2826]

Russia asked for that before the invasion. America said no. Sadly NATO membership means handing over your foreign policy to America.

[@robjworkshop5692]

What? Employ logic and common sense? Come on, Bertie, be serious...

[@Joseph-wo3tr]

That old guy talking is a fool! What has he got crystal ball.?? Telling us Russia will do this and do that... get over mate! 👎

[@BarbaraRayment-nb6dt]

People need yo research WHY putin went into Ukraine. I stand with and thank Putin

[@paulbendikas2313]

One reason is because of Biolabs in Ukraine

[@chrissharkey6172]

Stop poking the bear

[@paulthomas-hh2kv]

This guys unbelievable 😂 it’s about US putting missiles in Ukraine against Russia

[@simonsmedley5434]

Putin for PM

[@Robert-xy4xi]

BlackRock Zelenskiy elected term ended on the 20th of May! Zelenskiy had a far better deal on the table in March 2022, Zelenskiy listened to Bojo instead!

[@Dana-ml7sy]

I agree with Paul. There needs to be peace talks. A bit of land from the Ukraine is a small price to pay. Right now Ukraine is not on the back foot as so many countries are backing them & supplying them with money. If peace talks fail then nothing has been lost. What’s the alternative? Continue with the war? Continue paying? Something will give & it will be worse.

[@KlavarRecordings]

So if the U.K. was invaded you would opt to just give up land for peace?

[@Dana-ml7sy]

@@KlavarRecordings It won’t be my decision but the Ukraine may have to give up a third of their land in the future if peace is to happen. I worry that Putin is getting in bed with N Korea, China & Iran so things are already escalating. I sense war.

[@user-fh7mt4ox5c]

Supporting Ukraine has meant that Boris went to Kiev in 2022 to PREVENT Russia and Ukraine agreeing to END the war after reaching agreement in Istanbul. Since then half a MILLION Russian/Ukrainians have died. THANKS UK!

[@fireflyrobert]

Boris has blood on his hands.

[@robshirewood5060]

@@fireflyrobert They all do

[@therealdeplorables5968]

Just checked Daniel Moylan's Wiki...Foreign Office, banker...all you need to know!

[@lukeabrams9438]

Moylan apparently cannot distinguish between the cold war Finland and Ukraine today with a vastly larger NATO.

[@margaretfoley1247]

It’s nothing more than money laundering 😡😡

[@eileenjones5943]

Trump and Nigel would stop the war bring it on no wars while Trump was president 😢

[@loracle540]

Our freedom is based on a rules based order, we can't allow Russia morally or in fact to override that. The GDP of Western Europe let alone the USA is many times that of Russia. 3£B is cheap for our freedom. If we continue to support Ukraine eventually the Russian economy will collapse. Ukraine cannot afford to give up and Putin would never abide by any deal we negociate. Paul is right when he indicated we should have done more earlier but Paul is mistaken in about everything else he says (including his history - Britain, France, Czechoslovakia and Poland could have rolled over Germany who simply did not have a weeks ammunition at that stage).

[@kabzaify]

The only problem is, the Russian economy is growing faster than all western economies. And the rest of the world don't care about your sanctions

[@robjworkshop5692]

'Our freedom'???? We've always been 'free', except for the constraints of the western corporate / political elite placed upon us. The Russian economy will not collapse, they have all the mineral wealth and land they need, and one day the West will again (soon) need some of that mineral wealth, or do you think we'll have enough windmills and solar panels to keep us all warm in winter?

[@izzythompson9982]

Peace not NATO

[@archieblair8728]

Will someone please explain to me the support for the principle, "one country cannot be allowed to invade another country." We the Collective West invaded Iraq, decimated its economy, destroyed its entire infrastructure, and killed hundreds of thousands of citizens. We did the same in Libya, Syria, and tried to do the same in Venezuela?

[@paulslater9061]

So we have got another traitor to the country 😢😢😢

[@Alsmithize]

Boris Johnson is to blame

[@johntooth1886]

Blair.

[@susanwestern6434]

Obama.

[@1000BrokenKeys]

but try to tell this to people like Daniel Moylan. However once I did some research on how Austria-Hungarian empire characterised own and neighbouring nations, I read some old articles in 2014 or so, back then what it said about UKR was quite frankly shocking to me. Strangely enough, the Austria-Hungarian empire's nation character charts I can no longer find anywhere on the internet.

[@roadrash7030]

It's strange, the country has no money but the government has managed to find 3 billion!!! Brit first, second and third.

[@robshirewood5060]

£5 billion 475 million per year estimated on the illegals alone wasted

[@junekearns6698]

£3 billion should be spent in this country. The only way to solve the Ukraine war is intense negotiation. It's amazing whether Labour or Conservative governments say got not no money but when it suits them can find money from somewhere. The problem with Britain too much government intervention in peoples and business lives

[@AuramiteEX]

Can we get the roads fixed in the UK?

[@roberthudson3386]

Our governments don't have any apparent policy other than just continuing the current policy of giving money and weapons to Ukraine and continuing the war until all the men (but not the women obviously, because of our commitment to gender equality) are all dead. At the very least, we should be making diplomatic efforts at the same time, and doing what Trump is talking about, promising to increase support to Ukraine if Russia rejects peace on reasonable terms. But the diplomatic efforts are needed - we can't go all in on a strategy of encouraging Ukraine to continue the war when it is outnumbered militarily and has a smaller economy. Unless we are prepared to fight ourselves when Ukraine inevitably runs out of men, but we are currently in no position to do that. There are opportunities for diplomacy - Iran has a new president and may be willing to do a deal with the West to cut military aid to Russia in return for the nuclear deal being re-instated. China can be reasoned with. Even if one believes, as some of our leaders appear to, that Putin won't listen to reason, why do we not try to build bridges with the other countries supporting him, instead of being hostile to them for petty reasons? It all makes no sense.

[@user-od1pe2ip2n]

Ukraine is finished 😭😭😭

[@jamietowndrow7817]

WEF puppet

[@JohnC-nl5xs]

There's me thinking the country is skint !

[@KlavarRecordings]

It’s not skint, the money was wasted giving overpaid contract to freinds, now we have a government that can stop that and use the money wisely

[@paulthomas-hh2kv]

Listen to . US is parking missiles on the porch of our house

[@fastpistonx]

Starmer, listen: THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE KITTY!! Every penny spent is from additional debt. Bye the way, latest Euronews is that Zelensky wife has bought a Bugatti. 😮😮😮

[@davidbentley1114]

Self determination is important yet the west and Starmer does not believe in it. Why on earth should badly drawn boundaries not be subject to a plebiscite?

[@msbayramoglu1]

Spot on this is the root of the problem worldwide. Not possible to keep the borders intact forever this is against history of mankind. Borders will always change in the future no matter what international rules we use today

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

May I suggest you read up about the Gerasimov Doctrine, before you continue commenting on this subject?

[@davidbentley1114]

​@@johnkitching2248The people who live in an area. QED. If it wasn't for self determination the world would belong to the European Empires. So one either wants to hold sway over indigenous people or one believes in and enacts self-determination.

[@julianpetkov8320]

@@gintasvilkelis2544 Read the Brzhezhinski doctrine and the 100s of UK and US "think tank" articles on - 'How to Destroy Russia'.

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

​@@julianpetkov8320 ​ I googled '"How to Destroy Russia'" Brzezinski', and couldn't find what you claim to exist. If you have a link, please send it. Are you, by any chance, referring to Brzezinski's quote "It cannot be stressed enough that without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire, but with Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, Russia automatically becomes an empire"? If so, then are you able to see the difference between "the _country_ of Russia" and "the Russian _Empire"?_

[@alanforrester6900]

The madness goes on

[@user-od1pe2ip2n]

Civil war broke out in 🇬🇧 UK already 😂😂😂😂

[@eileenjones5943]

What the hell is going on help them yes but our British people need the help too that is a lot of money that could solve all our problems here😢

[@KlavarRecordings]

Maybe you should be angry at the 48 billion spent on PPE that was burnt, brought from a conservative friend, that’s 14 years of support there

[@eileenjones5943]

@@KlavarRecordings yes I'm very angry about that as well

[@brianclaridge7695]

A lot of powerful people who are pulling the strings are making a lot of money from these wars.

[@adrianappleyard4005]

The facts are the funding we provide is not simply cash into a Ukraine bank. It's British industry manufacturing goods we send to Ukraine.

[@Homeallday]

Stop paying tax because that is what is funding it

[@niv8880]

More pressure should be put on governments to re-outsource away from India as tech money could indirectly funding the Russian war objective. A consensus sentiment on YT from Hindustan Times and other channels is many Indians hates the West for historic reasons.

[@kasperchristiansen4234]

When Russia was twice as big under Stalin, and included Ukraine, it had to give up on tiny Finland that only had a population of 3.5 million at the time. It also had to retreat from Afghanistan that only had a population of 13 million at the time. USSR had a population of 280 million at its collapse in 1991. Now Russia only has a population of 144 compared to 43 Ukrainian at the start of the attempt to invade Ukraine and restore the lost empire. During WW2, Russia included Ukraine and was attacked by Germany, that had to go through Ukraine and simultaneously fought UK & US, so that’s hardly the right case to use as reference for Russias “invincibility”. Even without the backing of NATO, Australia , South Korea & Japan, Ukraine is by far Russias most ambitious invasion in the last 100 years. Ukraines and its allies have a combined population of approximately 1.2 billion people, GDP of $ 58,000 billion vs $ 2,000 billion for Russia. Russia has no ability to borrow money on the free market like western countries. It’s entirely dependent on oil & gas to finance its invasion, but even with the relative high current prices Gazprom just announced a huge deficit of $7 billion. Ukraine has liberated a great deal of the territory occupied by Russia in 2022. Without a navy Ukraine has eliminated a great part of the Russian Black Sea fleet. Russia has so far lost over 500,000 men, are currently losing 1,000 a day and millions of young skilled people have fled the country that was already challenged by its unfavorable demographics, and now these persistent Russian propagandists wants us to believe that Russia cannot lose?

[@firstsecond-ft1qg]

Good points well made. Russia is suffering. The smart move would be to get out of Ukraine before its economy collapses.

[@kasperchristiansen4234]

@@firstsecond-ft1qg Thank you, yes and I think we see signs of desperation from the Russians. They even suggested sharing Crimea and knowing Putins affection for Crimea that’s a sign of desperation.

[@MisterCloud6789]

You can continue fantasy

[@haycockjeff]

Some true things. Some absolute bollocks. Ukraine does have a Navy for a start…

[@richardmcgready3758]

Some sense is now being included in the narrative, and the reality of the situation has finally being discussed. Let's talk not kill!

[@KlavarRecordings]

The war would end tomorrow if Putin left Ukraine

[@terrylewis7586]

Money laundering

[@chenosee2422]

Russia had her own population in UKR that wasn’t resolved and internationally recognized Minks as agreement not implemented by UKR and there was agreement supposed to be signed by Zelensky, Boris Johnson stopped. Nobody talk about that .

[@mcennerney]

As far as I can see, the guy on the left would rather still send more young troops in to slaughtered, then negotiate a peace deal , utter madness.😡

[@mikesassoon4133]

The Ginger guy lives in Noddy Land. The comparison with the 30s and Hitler is apt. The Germans were initially successful in their war aims not because they had such unstoppable military strength (that was mainly in Hitler's mind) but because the West was divided. Had Britain, France and the US got together right from the start instead of wishing the problem away, they could have stopped Hitler in his tracks and saved millions of lives. As it was, they dithered and dived, Hitler saw his chance and took it. Same with Putin. Russia is not a first rate mlitary power and 3B now is a lot less costly than what we could be facing further down the road. As for the phrase "negotiations", be honest, it's just a face saving fig leaf for "surrender".

[@kabzaify]

How many tanks can Britain manufacture in one year? And don't forget UK no longer manufactures virgin steel. Financial services don't win wars, industry does.

[@Mickenos85]

We have thousands of British military in Ukraine, supposedly to teach Ukrainians how to use our weapons. Wil Labour bring them home ?

[@pmarmify]

how about training ukrainians who fled to UK & ask them to defend their OWN COUNTRY

[@Noel-ji8nm]

The country is corrupt.

[@cloudstrife206]

Women and children?

[@gintasvilkelis2544]

They have indeed beed doing that. Haven't you been following the news during the last few years?

[@roberthudson3386]

They probably fled in the first place because they couldn't see a reason to die in a war for their country. There are likely many in Britain who would not die in a war, there are likely many in Russia too, despite the political climate, which is why Putin is reluctant to extend conscription, fearing a backlash. People all over the world are becoming increasingly aware that the ruling classes in their country only act against the interests of the common people.

[@julianpetkov8320]

@@gintasvilkelis2544 No they haven't, Gintai. They trained conscripted Ukrainians from Ukraine.

[@user-od1pe2ip2n]

It's over...

[@grahamcook9289]

I can't believe GB News would actually promote helping Putler.

[@JG-us9lu]

Who helping him?

[@grahamcook9289]

@@JG-us9lu GB News by suggesting that Ukraine surrender and reward Butler's aggression.

[@JG-us9lu]

@grahamcook9289 They dont need to surrender. They just need to stop slaughtering the people of the Donbas region, which they have been doing since 2014 after the yanks put their little puppet in place. BTW, he's buying his 2nd super yacht.

[@robjworkshop5692]

So you'd be happy with the west just pouring more money into this inane conflict, perpetuating this 'war by proxy', enabling press-ganged Ukrainian men (fathers, husbands, sons) to potentially go to their deaths in a fight they cannot win? To satisy the egos of a pathetic few western elite? If you're so up for it, why don't you go and volunteer to fight 'for Ukraine'?

[@zallyzally2698]

​@@grahamcook9289 you just a fool who only get threatened when the situation gets out of hand... check the difference between Iraq Lybia and Russia..... Russia have both hand to retaliate against any country including military allies...that is why peace is very important to GB , remind you that GB don't have half of military Ukraine has today, talk is always cheaper

[@user-od1pe2ip2n]

Ura!! 🇷🇺💪❤🙏🤲

[@brendanmorrissey2104]

And this Tory peer is why the House of Lords needs reforming. Just shows why this country is in a mess.

[@Homeallday]

The old guys talking crap

[@Bluepilchard]

Should be protecting our beaches lots of money for arms questionable reasons nobody wins in a war nerver ending Russia is vast country massive resources

[@firstsecond-ft1qg]

russIan economy and recourses are quickly becoming depleted

[@bulldoguk2086]

The war cannot be won.

[@josephwren-qc4bw]

as far as i know, it isn't Soviet Union, it's the Russian federation. get it right.

[@v3numgough465]

It is a lot of money going to Ukraine who intend to join the EU. It is the EU that will reap the rewards once Ukraine is back on its feet as one of the worlds largest cereal providers.

[@gherkamum]

🇺🇦❤💪👍🇬🇧👍💪❤🇺🇦

[@isoryte201]

When Russia's military operation in Ukraine dragged on for months, contrary to expectations for a quick victory, I wondered why and many in Western capitals began to celebrate labeling Russia a spent force that cannot defeat Ukraine. Now this is the true picture Putin deliberately planned the military operation to be stretched out cuz he rightly figured out he was fighting NATO-EU, the West. A quick victory over Ukraine will leave the main enemies still standing strong but a dragged out conflict will bleed the economies of NATO-EU to bring them to their knees. Since 2022, NATO-EU has been bogged down with the war and bleeding resources on Ukraine, while China and the rest of the global South are catching up on the developmental gap and even overtaking the West. Two Possible scenarios; Option 1 - Go for Peace Accept Putin's terms, which is surrender the whole of Donbas, accept a no NATO membership for Ukraine, neutrality for Ukraine, stop the hemorrhage of the Western economies Option 2 - Continue funding and pushing Ukraine Putin will still get the whole of the Donbas, capture Odessa and Ukraine becomes landlocked, Ukraine still cannot be in NATO, continued bleeding and eventual destruction of the economies of the West. The West becomes the new 3rd world and many in the global south become the first world.

[@songscoops4205]

War is a numbers game

[@timiilott8883]

The second speaker sounds exactly the problem here. He stills has a cold war attitude to Russia

[@Supernova756]

I am very disappointed in this article . We certainly can play a part in helping Ukraine to survive .

[@emilymarshall790]

So pleased labour has their priorities right! Starmer will be out by next year

[@therealdeplorables5968]

Russia is not the Soviet Union

[@user-di2xy9lq7u]

We need to help Ukraine all the way

[@paulbendikas2313]

Yeah if you like money laundering child trafficking kidnapping people from the streets forcing them into vans and using people with down syndrome ok 👌 sorry did l just tell you the truth.

[@LEEJEROME1]

Send YOUR wages then!

[@EdiseWright]

Stamer seems more for other countries than Britain

[@duncansmith7562]

the Russian invasion was totally justified. UK has been backing the wrong side from Day One. Donbass was 100% justified to demand separation from Kiev, and UK should have remained neutral or backed Putin in forcing Zelensky to negotiate redrawing the map of Ukraine.

[@robshirewood5060]

As an OSCE member i totally agree

[@marumaru6084]

Ukraine war is already lost see anything by John Mearsheimer.

[@rogerpeberdy1878]

3 billion pounds a year well I can spend that on better things in this country and if you want to save that money stop paying any tax to the government then they can't waste it

[@user-jg4oc6oh9x]

NO