Future Gohan is FAR worse than you remember | DBZ

[@sixfromtokyo]

Also for everyone saying that the Androids are the same strength and Trunks just didn't know because they were holding back on him when they fought here is Daizenshuu 2 confirming that they were indeed weaker in Trunks timeline: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/808572236059115570/1299609592115761152/38sH7YA.png?ex=671dd340&is=671c81c0&hm=61df11d9b430e621a846389b894c102a44ca25e80f1f4d200d9082249d7e2538&

[@Arbiter19963]

Just as a heads up, discord links die after a short time, you're better off hosting the image on another hosting site.

[@sixfromtokyo]

@ preciate it

[@MikeCulver-f2z]

It's probably because their batteries probably lost potency after so many years.

[@luomodiporlock3758]

I absolutely disagree

[@Logantor]

Bruh what is this

[@TheTheThe_]

Ain't no way you telling me the version of Gohan with zero guidance and training is weak..

[@alexdeghost2729]

Tis the truth

[@Honestlynothingelse]

​@@alexdeghost2729only manga

[@DM-Oz]

Why didn't he have guidance? There was Roshi, Karin, Popo, Baba who can being people back for one day and King Kai who could allow the dead z warriors to comunicate with him.

[@Rene-y3k]

​@@DM-Ozbecause writing. Plus Baba isnt gonna spam that ability just for Gohan to train you must not have watched db and don't know her character either, Roshi Korin and Popo could only make kid goku as strong as king piccolo before he was too strong for their training to matter anymore lol your last point is genuinely a good one goku just left bro hanging💀

[@Happy.87.]

@@Rene-y3k "sorry kid, training with Pikon rn. Just train trunks or something thats what i wouldve done"

[@SaulBueno-o1d]

You are not invited to my future Gohan birthday party

[@sixfromtokyo]

But I love that nigga bro

[@SaulBueno-o1d]

@@sixfromtokyo not enough

[@ExoticZah]

@@sixfromtokyo Yeah bro you can’t come

[@KingDues]

Damn nigga bout miss out 😂

[@Not_obligated2care]

@@SaulBueno-o1d well he ain’t gay that’s fasho…

[@UnlimitedRadioButNoSoap]

we ain't beating the androids with this one 🔥🔥🔥

[@chem2430]

Couldn't beat a pool of water, my boy puddle-han went out sad😢

[@ohfesp]

He didn’t have the room of spirit and time, any gravity rooms, or any senzu’s after they stopped growing aside from a few. He did his best to close the distance between the androids, it wasn’t his fault. 😔

[@ericnorman6391]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@zainy_inc154]

It doesn't matter if he gets upscaled, it won't bring anyone back...

[@sixfromtokyo]

damn bro...

[@dankestranch8738]

@@sixfromtokyogay video

[@fredjones2319]

​@@dankestranch8738with a name like that of course you have a gaydar.

[@MarianaBello-fq3hx]

Future Gohan: fights to protect his future all the time 24/7-->weak Present day Gohan: trains sometimes idk-->toe to toe with UI Goku

[@TeeSavedbyGrace]

Peak dbs writing 😭😭😭

[@DBGamer1027]

thing is, Future Gohan overtrained himself and got exhausted often, Present Gohan learned to not overtrain himself from Goku in the HTC and used them while training in secret before Super Hero

[@alexdeghost2729]

Bro even Teen Gohan is stronger than him. Future Gohan has always been ass.

[@DBGamer1027]

@@alexdeghost2729 Future Gohan's fucking awesome but he's not ass, he's just weak

[@caseyjones8153]

Considering that most of his time is spent working in a profession he loves, it quite possible that he makes up the difference in sheer right mindedness.

[@LightingOfTheRedHawk]

Thundergods next video: "Future Gohan is FAR better than you remember"

[@sung7441]

😭

[@delinquenter]

The whole DB community seems to be either delusional or at war with itself.

[@dean_l33]

@@delinquenter Sounds schizo just the way I like it

[@spriggylotus4476]

@@delinquenter Eternal fighting, fitting for DB

[@delinquenter]

@@spriggylotus4476 Somehow, it is. If only it was for good reasons and not a bunch of silly fanboys aruguing with each other which DB isn't the worst (Spoiler: They're all flawed).

[@buggerboogus]

THIS IS FOR GOHAN EUHUEAGGHHHH 🗣️🗣️🗣️💀💀💀

[@badassproductions4734]

Nxcre reference? 😅

[@buggerboogus]

@@badassproductions4734 🤫🤫🤫

[@Sennodev]

*pulls out a assault rifle*

[@kaistemino]

@@badassproductions4734 ew

[@armoredsoul2076]

Wake up Wake up Wake up

[@tornadragon4047]

Wake up wake up wake up Wake up wake up wake up

[@Gojiraboy-c7j]

I don't get it what do you mean

[@rayshawndeacon609]

0:24​ @@Gojiraboy-c7j

[@nacktack]

in the video you see the text wake up alot

[@Mands1989]

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[@makethemsad5675]

I’ve always had the theory that Future Gohan wasn’t receiving zenkai boosts, or very dramatic ones compared to Goku or Vegeta. It is stated in the Namek Saga by Vegeta that a saiyan needs to come back from the brink of death to receive a zenkai boost. Gohan fought the androids over the course of many years but never got severely injured until he fought alongside trunks and had to save him. This would mean Gohan would have escaped every single previous encounter since he was never killed or gravely wounded. This indicates Gohan would usually have fought the two then escaped with his life under his own speed and power. If Gohan needs to run under his own power, he is not near the brink of death and doesn’t receive zenkai boosts as a result.

[@Handyrandy2233]

And he had no one to train with until trunks

[@sixfromtokyo]

I was gonna go over this but I kinda figured Gohan just might not have fought the Androids that many times. Admittedly I didn't consider him simply escaping before getting injured badly oversight on my end lol.

[@tornadragon4047]

I think it played a part in it that he had to personally escape true but that he did recieve zenkais just that the gohan we are scaling is a gohan that has 3 years less of personalized training So he still got the zenkais but because he was so weak in base already it only closed the gap to the point we see him at

[@Astrothunder_]

@@tornadragon4047 I find it hard to believe he would be gettin those zenkais because I just think of Vegeta on Namek when he has Krillin blast him. Thats whats required for the near-death trigger. Vegeta could barely limp. If it wasnt for Dende he woulda been dead in minutes. Gohan was definitely not doing that often until Trunks came into the picture. That or he didn't fight the androids nearly as much as we assume cuz no way they put up with that for x amount of years😂

[@rifarira9160]

@@Astrothunder_ the vegeta example, its prolly because vegeta didn't reinforce his body with Ki, so that's why Krillin attack can hurt him badly to the point of zenkai

[@Chesse0729]

Imagine your 11 year old self being able to fodderize you

[@lordlittletoeq8537]

happens

[@luminousraven98]

Gohan kinda has giften kid syndrome so it tracks lmao

[@Vietmac1993]

Future Gohan didn't know anything about a Hyperbolic Time Chamber and had no guidance

[@Cashmoneez]

@@Vietmac1993 does it matter tho? Real gohan had like 1 year before the first androids showed up training with goku and piccolo and then less than a year in the chamber that future gohan wouldn’t have gotten. Meanwhile future gohan had like 10 years and is barely stronger than future trunks when he first arrived

[@shmelzy82]

@@luminousraven98 kind of? in the Cell saga he had to work for his strength and ssj2 was him unleashing all of his anger because of all of his friends and his father were going to be killed by Cell and the Cell juniors, it wasn’t just a random ass pull (Goku could’ve beat Cell but he was fatigued because of the Cell juniors) but after that he barely had to work for anything

[@Handyrandy2233]

Something to keep in mind that in the future trunks special,one arm gohan and the twin andorids have a beam struggle, and gohan OVERPOWERS them.they then give each other a look like “oh this is serious now”, and that’s when they kill him.fohan is a lot closer to the future andorids

[@lapplandkun9273]

Rage boosts really are a massive boon. No wonder Zamasu literally thought they're a threat with those on top of zenkais

[@vibezz_5728]

But you also can’t leave out the contextual fact that Trunks’ androids [ in his timeline ] are weaker than the altered timeline androids. So Future Gohan and Piccolo fused with Kami is a fight. 😭

[@bitviper3430]

@@vibezz_5728Piccolo stomps that since him and 17 went extreme diff on equal footing in that fight

[@brabnoify]

That's only in the anime, in the manga 17 was whooping his ass for years not even using 50% lol then he gets killed offscreen like a chump in the manga when he decided to finally stop playing with his food . he was never anywhere near them

[@IvanMoncure]

@@vibezz_5728I’m not sure they actually are that much weaker. Trunks never saw his androids at full power so he wouldn’t know quite how strong they are.

[@deltalord6969]

i always thought the principles of training was why gohan was so weak. In the future timeline gohan and goku never trained, his only training experience was with piccolo who didnt teach him that much. The turtle school principle of "Work hard, study well, and eat and sleep plenty!" was never passed on to him. Eat and sleep plenty in particular was something gohan most likely never had for good reason due to the unrest of the androids he wasnt able to sleep and most likely he overtrained never giving his body time to acclimate or rest. Not to mention as you said the depression of losing all his friends and family didnt help his mental state which is also highly important to gohans power.

[@marzipancutter8144]

The studying part hits hard too, considering Gohans passion comes from wanting to be a scholar. Future Gohan never got to do that.

[@damienharbin242]

Fact is, even without theories and just going off of what we know. Future Gohan had very little experience with actual training compared to his present counterpart. It’s like taking a kid with good body building genetics and throwing him in a gym at like 6 years old. He’s going to progress much more slowly than he if he were taught and his peak won’t be near as high. Now imagine if that kid was also fighting depression, hunger, etc 24/7.

[@nani4249]

Low key it's probably chichi fault as chichi probably inhibited gohan and gokus training between the time he got back go earth and died of a heart virus. Goku was probably thinking that gohan can take it easy as he and gohan have all the time in the world until he died. In the present time events gohan had 3 years of training with both piccolo and goku consistently plus a year in the time chamber.

[@naokiezabalya1591]

I mean I cannot really blame her, who knew that your husband would catch a virus that kills him, she just doesn't want her child to be fighting against an omnicidal invader, still partially blame jer​@@nani4249

[@ghazbarox]

Vegeta never had a master and he wasnt useless

[@damienharbin242]

@ no but he spent his entire life around people who did have training like Nappa and some of the most elite fighters in the world in the Frieza force. Gohan was literally the strongest non evil person in the world at like 6 or 7 years old

[@ghazbarox]

@damienharbin242 vegeta never trained, he just fought

[@TheGotreck]

1:10 I disagree here. Trunks' statement reveals that he never truly understood the Androids' real power, as they only toyed with him for fun in the future timeline. My interpretation is that the Androids in the future were simply holding back to entertain themselves, as they were bored, and Trunks never realized it.

[@TheGotreck]

4:22 My interpretation comes directly from this: Trunks never saw the Androids use their full power as Gohan did, and the Androids clearly stated they were holding back. That’s why Trunks believes the Androids in the present timeline are stronger, because he saw the androids from the present timeline fighting without holding back.

[@TheGotreck]

7:34 In my interpretation, Future Gohan from the manga is slightly weaker than SSJ1 Vegeta, while Future Gohan from the anime is significantly stronger than SSJ1 Vegeta from the anime. I interpret that Androids 17 and 18 have the same full power in both the future and present timelines. This means that Future Gohan could have fought and nearly defeated both Androids in the present timeline, as he almost did in the future timeline.

[@TheGotreck]

So, I don't agree that the timeline itself is weaker, as that doesn’t make sense with the concept of a timeline. However, I do agree that depression, lack of proper training before the Androids arrived, and lack of mentoring took a heavy toll. Imagine a timeline where Goku didn’t have Master Roshi, Korin, Grandpa Gohan and King Kai to teach him how to train-he would likely reach age 30 with a power level similar to, if not weaker than,Raditz.

[@jibrael5705]

​@@TheGotreckYour interpretation is actually backed up more with some statements in the manga saying Trunks is almost as strong as Vegeta(made before they went into the time chamber) and by that line of reasoning Future Gohan> Android 18=Vegeta ≥ Trunks. The other interpretation says Vegeta>>past timeline 18≥Trunks, still putting Trunks and 18 from the future relative but it wouldn't make sense since Vegeta is supposed to be as close in strength to Trunks.

[@hystor1c]

@@TheGotreckThe whole timeline difference argument shii was pointless. Especially that Kid Trunks to Future Trunks comparison. Kid Trunks got the super saiyan form as not only an evolutionary trait but also bc of the conditioning he was put under at his age. Future Trunks did not train in 150g, and he wasn't constantly being pushed by someone as strong as vegeta. That isn't a nature of the timeline, that's bc of interference from Future Trunks himself.

[@Kukalooka]

wake up? but i'm awake

[@humzaamir181]

I’m surprised there’s not more comments about it 😂 it didn’t even happen only once wtf 😭

[@keyuke06]

I was always under the impression that the main timeline androids we're "stronger" than the ones from the future because they were always suppressed when fighting Gohan and Trunks and the actual difference was that they had to use more power against the main timeline Z fighters due to them being stronger than the ones in the future (thanks to their extra training after Trunks' warning) and that's why they seemed stronger to Trunks when in reality he just saw what they were truly capable of the whole time.

[@pc_screen5478]

And also them being more evil in the future is possibly because their power slowly corrupted them over time and turned them into inhuman killing machines and the current timeline androids got humbled before it could happen

[@cuteandsingle]

@@pc_screen5478I think the future androids’ “evil” is just boredom. They’re super powered teenagers with nothing to do

[@718NecroLeX]

They explain it in the show, because future trunks went back in time to kill mecha frieza the gero computer was able to gather more details on the power levels of the z fighters, this also leads to cells completion faster which is why the future timeline cell hadn't activated yet.

[@718NecroLeX]

​@cuteandsingle as for them being evil, it was the time with z warriors that made them more human. Like 16 with nature, 17 with fighting, and 18 seeing how they still tried to protect them from cells absorption and Krillin simping of course

[@animeato6609]

We ain’t gettin past teen gohan with this one😍

[@SwmLee]

Kid*

[@Cashmoneez]

I’m not even sure he takes goten

[@aceman2383]

@@Cashmoneezhe absolutely does not

[@Cashmoneez]

@@aceman2383 goten was pushing a rusty but much much much stronger gohan in the buu saga

[@aceman2383]

@@Cashmoneez yeah I’m saying goten slams

[@neroitR]

2:42 IM NOT SLEEPING I SWEAR

[@rayvonvelez3129]

Future Gohan with one arm is so iconic. I dont care people call him weak. He my favorite gohan. I was so happy sparking zero had him with one arm.

[@PARZ90s]

He's not even weak. It's just that they wrote the androids way too strong. Honestly makes no sense for the androids to be so strong. KZbinrs have tried to make sense of it but they simply give bad reasons. The Android saga was written poorly.

[@sixfromtokyo]

What doesn't make sense about the Androids being so strong?

[@PARZ90s]

@sixfromtokyo So the Red Ribbon Army couldnt build an android stronger than kid Goku (Kid Goku took out the entire RR army in OG DB) but they can build 3 androids that are much stronger than Frieza who was the strongest Villain in the universe up to that point? Now before you bring up that Dr Gero data collecting mumbo jumbo, take into consideration that Gero didnt get data from the fights on Planet Namek, which is where Goku and Vegeta got massive Zenkai Boosts. The Android arc is easily the weakest in the series. Ironically enough, The History of Trunks movie is the best thing from that arc, and Future Gohan is one of the main reasons why. That character is awesome, yet you made a cringe video trying to bury him. 🤣

[@sixfromtokyo]

@@PARZ90s well idk why you randomly insulted my video when I asked you a question but if you think I was tryna bury him then you just didn't listen to the video it's more about where he should actually be placed as opposed to burying the guy. If I wanted to bury him I woulda used much more harsh language but yea idk what to tell you that's kinda how technology works it gets better as time goes on you're talking about an almost 15 year time gap here it not making sense is entirely up to your disbelief in the outcome rather than a lack of a reason behind it. We know Gero is data collecting and that he wants to crush Goku & The others making Androids way stronger than Namek Goku would get that job they just weren't as much stronger as they should've been.

[@PARZ90s]

@sixfromtokyo Idk bro Future Gohan is one of the best characters in the series imo. Hes awesome. His power is irrelevant since his job in the plot was to pass the torch to Trunks, Future Gohan is a big reason Trunks has one of the best first time Super Saiyan transformation in the entire series. A 15 year time gap isnt much. Also, again Dr Gero got data from Goku's fights on Earth, but not the fights on Planet Namek. If you look into it, Goku powerlevel boosts are enormous on Namek. Goku is around 30k against Vegeta on Earth. At the end of his fight with Frieza he is at 150 million as a Super Saiyan. This is why Dr Gero's data on Goku's fights on earth are pointless. Its not even my opinion its just common sense. Cell makes a bit more sense since he is basically more of an Alien/Android hybrid and he actually had to work for some of his power by absorbing peoples energy. Cell was written much better than the Androids.

[@Theamz]

He lacks powers but he makes it up with how cool he is.

[@YourLovelyGuy9442]

Future gohan suffers from plot that toriyama didn't think much when writing trunks is from future as there could be various way future timelines could be saved either popo telling f gohan about time chamber, Goku coming to earth for 1 day permission, king kai contacting him and namekians about earth situation etc

[@thebillmasta3236]

So I saw a theory by laughingstock media explaining at least the future androids being “weaker” than the present. Basically he explained it that it was stated how they were holding back to have fun against Gohan, but saw he was able to get above his previous strength he showed with training so if he went all out and let him get away he might be able to do it again which is why he killed him. But since they still wanted to have fun, they always held back against trunks so trunks never fought them at full power. I’m obviously summarizing the video and he goes a lot more in depth and shows different plot points, and Gohan is still significantly weaker, but maybe not as weak as you made him out to be in this video.

[@Akiraspin]

You're telling me the Gohan with no warning of the Androids or Dr. Gero or Cell, no Time Chamber, no Gravity Room, no Senzu Beans, no Piccolo or Goku to train with, and absolutely zero time not spent awake fighting to save peoples lives is weaker than the one that got not only a warning of the Androids but straight up protected for 4 years straight and trained with the best fighters in the galaxy at the time????? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@Awesomeisme7000]

Wouldnt he get more zenkai boosts?

[@goobeeeer]

​@@Awesomeisme7000for the zenkais to be meaningful he'd need to be gravely harmed, with no senzus or convenient dendes lying around him attaining a zenkai would most likely cost him his life

[@A1DON.]

U did him dirty with that thumbnail dawg 😂

[@laningsmith9163]

It’s possible that the androids from Trunks timeline were just toying with him like they toyed with Gohan. Leading trunks to have a mistaken belief that they were weaker

[@TBJR24]

This is likely the correct answer. Since officially speaking the Daizenshuu does state that the future ones were only "somewhat" weaker than the originals

[@aryanGamin25]

they were (it was literally SHOWN when they were tanking hits of ss1 trunks who had been equal to ss1 future gohan and purely bullying him then he went back in time and saved goku with the medicine)

[@Hooliganken17]

13:18 to add on the mental nerf is a thing ssj2 gohan was losing the beam struggle to cell due to a weak mental so even more to back up this claim

[@AhmedHussain-ju6xd]

Tldr Problem was future gohan never had any training partners, no senzu beans, so no gravity chambe, and Androids could attack at any time so he couldn't rest

[@imsocentral2872]

POV: Six is really just Android 6 in disguise

[@extremelegendsupreme4596]

My theory on why the future androids were so evil was that in the future, goku was already dead 6 months before the androids were finished meaning gero’s purpose was already fulfilled. Therefore he could’ve programmed the androids to destroy humanity instead thus making them more evil. In the present since goku was still alive gero made the androids act like assassins to hunt goku instead of world domination like the future.

[@nani4249]

How would he know goku died as in canon he stopped watching the z fighters a long time ago, unless somehow the future timeline is different in that aspect but that'd make even less sense.

[@Blayne06]

@@nani4249 If memory serves, weren't Gero's DNA-collecting spydrones still active, since he apparently also had Cell growing in the background? Those could've sent him the info on Goku's passing, hence him reprogramming 17 and 18?

[@lmao2302]

I thought it was cause present timelines androids 16 influenced the android 17 and 18 with his almost inherent love of nature and the planet. Which from what I can see android 17 and 18 in the future timeline never had a person like android 16 with them.

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Puddlehan getting beat up for 13 years will be the saddest thing in DBZ

[@jacobcrowley1675]

I know in cannon the androids were at 50% power but i always found it way more compelling the idea that Future Gohan was slightly stronger than them one on one but because there was two of them he never stood a chance.

[@sixfromtokyo]

@@jacobcrowley1675 well in the anime you're correct they were at full power and only beat him bc of a 2 on 1

[@JP-kp6xv]

Yeah the anime version is miles better

[@kazeguy8869]

We losing our left arms with this one!!!!🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@lordlittletoeq8537]

💪

[@LazySugarLover]

Before watching this, the reasons are simple: No Gravity room to train in or the Time Chamber No sparring partner until Trunks was old enough and even then, Trunks was too weak to spar with seriously Limited amount or no senzu beans for quick heals post training He had to learn how to transform into a Super Saiyan at will by himself like Goku did A BIG ONE: The Cyborgs couldn't be sensed, so if Gohan trained seriously and was tired and they happen to find him, he's dead, so there's that lingering fear which would stop him from training too hard

[@dochkodochev7680]

I love you adding the many Wake ups in your videos 😂 I swear there were times I thought I'm going crazy 😂😂

[@pamajam4038]

We talking about PuddleHan?

[@OmnipotentSaiyan]

We talking about Super Saiyan Shanks

[@KaoMinerva]

"It doesn't matter... Beating you can't turn back time. Everyone is gone..." -Future Gohan

[@Happy.87.]

The number one reason Gohan was so weak in the future is because he didnt believe he could get any stronger. Similar to how Goku in the cell saga believed the only person who could beat cell was Gohan, Gohan believed the only person who could beat the androids was trunks. Thats why he always focused on training Trunks rather than himself and in his final confrontation with the androids he wouldnt let Trunks fight because he knew if Trunks died it was over for them. The only reason Gohan was able to reach SSJ so soon was because his father insisted he could do it and the only reason he reached SS2 was because everyone around him kept telling him he could, even cell did everything in his power to draw it out of him. I think Gohan was only weak because thats what he told himself and he genuinely believed he reached his limit, which only further sealed away his latent power.

[@samburgerwithcheeze8145]

Still my main on every dbz game he's in idc🥴 Also the future androids were playing around with Trunks abd Gohsn, i think in the manga they even say they weren't even using more thsn 50% abd they killed Gohan. Trunks wasnt there so he didnt know that they were holding back, even before he went to the past he fought them again and his attacks did nothing to the point the androids didnt flinch. Everyone in the future is weaker except the androids because trunks actually gave them prep time. 17 and 18 never went beyond 50% because Gohan was all the entertainment they had until they got tired of him. When trunks last fought them they didn't use the same amount of effort due to the fact trunks is still alive and they were just toying with him. So in trunks perspective the androids in the past ARE stronger because he never fought them when they were seriously like Gohan did, which is the scale Trunks compared the current androids to.

[@sixfromtokyo]

He's cool in every DBZ Game

[@SomerandomguySSJ4]

I thought a good reason came from DBZ Kakarot. Vegeta tells Future Trunks that to get stronger he should set his goal ahead of the Androids instead of on them.

[@arpadszabo661]

Future Gohan and Trunks are still mad goofy for not going to Namek and wish Goku back. Then everyone else

[@devilmandiavolo2876]

That’s more on Kaioshin because he only appeared when he needed Trunks to stop the revival of Buu

[@arpadszabo661]

@@devilmandiavolo2876 Not really. They were already on Namek once before the androids arrived. All they needed to do was flying there again in a space ship. The kaioshin was not needed for that.

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

​​​@@arpadszabo661 Goku died a natural death meaning the dragon balls wouldn't work

[@alexdeghost2729]

U can wish back someone who died of illness

[@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218]

@@alexdeghost2729 no u can't wish someone back who died from illness, the Z fighters had 6 months b4 the android arrived they could have easily wished goku back

[@RustedBuddy5192]

Reminds me of the whole "It's not practice makes perfect, its perfect practice makes perfect" meaning Future Gohan not only had lower ki but also no guides to point out flaws or point out efficiencies while he trained. Meanwhile our Gohan had two masters there to mold him more efficiently into a stronger fighter.

[@extremelyvividcardgames7890]

Gohan lost because he was an apple user trying to overpower 2 Androids

[@skyrogue1977]

Anyone else wondering why Bulma did not make Future Gohan a cybernetic arm?

[@thrilltokill5409]

Her wealth was gone when the androids were destroying everything. She either didn't have enough money to construct one, or time

[@lightlegion_]

Your energy is truly remarkable!

[@nicmckeever8551]

I dont believe for a second that vegeta was close to 18's power, databooks be damned. Piccolo after fusing with kami went toe to toe with 17 and was definetly stronger than pre ROSAT vegeta.

[@TheToby121]

17 was stronger than 18

[@UltraGman]

Always a good Friday when your favorite Dragon Ball youtuber uploads.

[@__malachi__]

Even if it was just piccolo that had survived gohan would’ve been way stronger. The hand gohan was dealt was terrible but he still managed to make the best of it by training trunks

[@williambreeze2659]

Great breakdown!

[@diondadigger]

Puddlehan getting mid diffed by a 50% Android in the weaker timeline😭

[@MasquedMocha]

W analysis, was gonna work on something while i listened but i couldn't look away

[@BlueDinosaur1234]

I'm pretty sure that the Future Androids are not literally stronger but it's just that Trunks didn't fight any of them at full power so he had a false impression. The Future Androids held back against Trunks just like they did with Future Gohan. In chapter 419 Android 18 asked Android 17 for permission to kill Trunks because "he's getting annoying" and Android 17 called Trunks their "favourite punching bag". It's more like they purposefully held back and kept him alive for entertainment

[@bodhisattva3871]

I think a really good conclusion to come to here is that in trunk's timeline they may have never went to Namek.

[@sixfromtokyo]

@@bodhisattva3871 they had to bc Trunks knew exactly where Goku would land in the present. Unless you think Goku was off world for some other reason.

[@bodhisattva3871]

@@sixfromtokyo I didn't consider this, alternatively maybe for whatever reason goku never goes super saiyan which lowers the bar for everyone, maybe he shows up to namek and frieza has already gotten his wish from namek and moved on to somewhere else in the galaxy

[@Izanna3]

Future Gohan is so ass imagine training for SEVEN years and still being weaker than a weaker variation of the androids

[@Saintsrow1824]

Disingenuous at its finest

[@ErmiGultro]

@@Saintsrow1824 it isn’t. Present Gohan would negdiff the future androids even if he left the chamber sooner. Compared to that, future Gohan is mad garbage.

[@Rellfromthe4]

Training seven years with who? Main timeline Gohan had Goku and Vegeta.

[@Thoray]

There isnt really much evidence to say that the future androids are actually weaker. You can take Trunks statement about it, but he's never seen them at full power. He wasnt even there when 17 tells Gohan he was using 50% of his power in the last fight. Trunks says he does pretty well in his fight against them but we never see what that fight is like and considering how the future androids like to play around with Trunks and Gohan it's fair to say they did just that in their fight with solo Trunks.

[@Saintsrow1824]

@@ErmiGultro maybe because present Gohan had the resources to be stronger unlike future Gohan, ever think of that??

[@MyNamesYuyu]

I feel like that cat clutching his head watching this video.

[@MentholKeepIt100]

Six stop saying the quiet part out loud bruh let us push the agenda 😭

[@sixfromtokyo]

wym bro?

[@MentholKeepIt100]

@@sixfromtokyo the fact that future Gohan is 1/100th of what the community makes him out to be, he’s the coolest bum in dragon ball

[@AJ-sl7be]

​@@MentholKeepIt1001/100th? I don't see anybody ranking him high when it comes to powerscaling.

[@Edelweiss1102]

My own head cannon is that Future Gohan suffered from diminishing returns from the same training method, and he didn't have a guide and/or trainings partner to push him further, so it ties into the 2nd point. If you think about it, he basically pushed himself from his Namek arc level all the way to about SSJ Goku after Yadrat level or a bit weaker, on his own and with no one to train in a post-apocalyptic future, which honestly isn't a bad feat on its own. But the only training he ever had in this timeline was his time with Piccolo, which was more like learning how to survive on your own and tough love. And then he hit the same natural wall Goku, Vegeta and Trunks all hit at the beginning of the Android arc. It took the threat of both the Androids and Cell, Goku and Vegeta striving to break through the Super Saiyan barrier, the Hyperbolic time chamber and having Trunks and Gohan as training partner for them to finally break through that barrier and reach new levels beyond that. Future Gohan didn't know or have access to most of these things and doesn't have the same striving Goku and Vegeta have. So he is just kinda stuck around that Yadrat Goku level with nowhere really to go. Maybe Trunks could have pushed him if he became strong enough, but sadly he died before that. I think present day Vegeta had a similar problem for a long time where he would take a (training) method like Zenkai boost, gravity training or the hypebolic time chamber, which has worked for him once, and then push himself to neard death over and over again with diminishing returns until he ultimately hit another ceiling. Goku on the other hand is special in that while he has the Saiyans strive to always become stronger and seek out strong opponents, he doesn't have their arrogance and pride, and thus he never shied away from trying out new training methods, and discard old ones if he thought they were no longer useful. Like how he went from Master Roshi to Korin to Kami to King Kai and training in the afterlife to gravity training to training on Yadrad to training with others to training in the hyperbolic time chamber to stay in the afterlife to a mentor role for Goten/Trunks to finally seeking out Beerus and Whis to master his skills. I don't think it's a coincidence that Vegeta instantly caught up to Goku and stayer more or less equal to him the moment he finally swallowed his pride and accepted Whis as his master too. Until Goku got UI, but he then finally went his own way with Beerus and UE. People here ask how present Gohan got so much stronger at a much younger age, and I think it's exactly because he had all the guides and training partners he could ever wish for. He kept training with Piccolo and Goku after Namek to prepare for the Androids. He saw Trunks and later Vegeta unlock Super Saiyan and striving to surpass their limits. He had the year with Goku in the Hyperbolic time chamber, which was absolutely crucial for him to learn how to draw out his latent potential and keep it at bay as a mastered Super Saiyan. Which was the base he needed to, in combination with 16 telling him that it's ok to let go and fight for what's right and Cell pushing him to his breaking point, finally reach an entirely new level in SSJ2. tl:dr: Future Gohan simply wasn't him due to circumstances.

[@METAsMETAs]

We are hating fr here!!!!!!

[@JesseGolo]

I have another theory... Insane power creep on Toriyama's part. On a more serious note, I always figured it was a lack of teachers and training partners.

[@PARZ90s]

Future Gohan wasn't weak the androids were just really strong for no good reason. You mean to tell me Kid Goku took down the entire Red Ribbon Army on his own but years later they can magically build androids stronger than Super Saiyan? Yeah not buying it.

[@nani4249]

Yeah dr gero working by himself with little funds and in a damp cave produced 3 mechanical cyborgs above the stronger than frieza a stated being to be the strongest in the galaxy of all time yet Dr gero made these guys. I'm fine with cell since he's taking saiyan dna and mixing it with friezas and multiple other prime warrioers but it's bs how strong the andriods are given his materials. And your telling me bulma with a similar time period couldn't invent a even stronger andriods when she's stated to be stronger than them. Plus your also telling me roshi didn't lend his assistance or do anything to help and bulma rather than making a time machine could have instead made a farm of senzu and a gravity room for the remaining fighters. Dr briefs made a spaceship with a gravity room in less than a few days yet bulma and her father couldn't do this. And that's not even getting to think that goku or king kai didn't realize that the earth was fighting these andriods and didn't check up on them. And when gohan did eventually die why the hell did gohan not go to King kais and plead for him to get trunks here to get further training with him. Toriyama really tried his best to not actually think of a scenario where the future time line was like this. Don't forget as well that king kai could have just used the namekian dragon balls once figuring out everyone is dead and revive them. Given the circumstances there should have been no problems in this timeline after 3 or so years of the andriods but no everyone is apparently suffering from plot induced stupidity.

[@TheToby121]

It gets worse when you realize Goku could've used his 1 day back to life to defeat the androids after training in the afterlife for a few years at most, even without Dragonballs. But he wanted to hold off till a tournament maybe popped off ​@@nani4249

[@takatotakasui8307]

This is some good, niche DBZ analysis. Thank you Six

[@PretentiousPicklePickingPunk]

The whole future timeline is pretty buns, ngl. There were so many ways they could have beaten the androids. But Toriyama wanted a hopeless future, which would be fine if he bothered to actually make it make sense. They could have used the time chamber, Goku could have done "anything*, they could have gone to Yardrat (because I'm sure Bulma would have kept the space pod Goku returned in), Jaco could have done *something* (I know he was created way after, but if you're going to introduce new characters, at least have them in a position to where it doesn't jeopardize the story you told).

[@dinogt8477]

Wrong and wrong

[@ShockwaveITB]

Goku died from a heart virus and none of the other warriors knew of the time chamber. I also don’t know if multiple people could fit in the ship Goku landed in.

[@PretentiousPicklePickingPunk]

@@ShockwaveITB I'm referring to the 13 years he spent in Other World or on King Kai's planet, where he could have either told Gohan about the ROSAT through King Kai, or had Baba bring him back for one day. And Bulma and her dad have made entire spacecraft from rusted space pods before. And everyone didn't need to fit in the ship (if they didn't have the resources to create an entire space craft). Just send Gohan or Trunks so that they can learn Instant Transmission.

[@finaloblivion799]

​@@PretentiousPicklePickingPunk People don't keep their bodies if they die of natural causes. Goku was either in heaven or he reincarnated as someone else.

[@PretentiousPicklePickingPunk]

@finaloblivion799 Hence why I said "in Other World or King Kai's planet."

[@tylercheam44]

stop telling me to wake up i’m already awake… wait why that lamp look like that?

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Future Gohan was the Gohan we all wanted. What you mean?

[@DBGamer1027]

the Gohan I wanted was the nerdy one that's still a badass tbh

[@alexdeghost2729]

But Teen Gohan is stronger than him

[@Not_obligated2care]

I know I’m no one special but I don’t include myself in the “we” just saying lol.

[@DBGamer1027]

@@Not_obligated2care agreed. Nerdy Gohan >>>>>

[@Rieky22]

A depressed half alien with universally PTSD seeing his pops and the rest of his friends dying. His world is falling apart but is too weak to do stop the cyborgs. A guy who had no other choice but to fight on his own lost his arm and got sent to king Yama in the rain alone?? Years later his universe gets erased by a racist god? Nah I don’t want my favorite characters to suffer like that honestly

[@Ratgodx]

He had no one to train him, mentally damaged from seeing everyone die, missing an arm, didn’t even know ss2 existed.

[@aster1438]

no way you calling charecters bad cus they weak. if so then bulma is the worst charecter but we all know she top 3 best

[@stumpyalex503]

He never called him a bad character

[@kazer7421]

12:24 With this depression point, I honestly think it would have still maintained throughout his later years. I could imagine at that point he’d be relatively lonely and not believing in himself (interestingly enough, his present counterpart in this saga fails to do the same thing, only difference is that Goku is not around to give Gohan the motivation he needs). Although games are non-canon material, the general consensus from them does seem to back up this point. By the point he loses his arms, he probably put most of his faith in trunks, believing that he would surpass him.

[@___________0Z0X]

Counterpoint, Trunks didn't actually know how strong the future androids were. In the future timeline the androids purposely hold back and leave him alive so they have entertainment. Trunks also did not see the fight between the future androids and future Gohan, which is the only time they went all out. This becomes even more plausible when you take into account the fact that Trunks is not a reliable narrator. He makes many claims that prove to be in accurate. We as viewers cannot take what he says as pure fact.

[@sixfromtokyo]

Trunks claims are all accurate to his timeline he just didn't know history would change so much.

[@___________0Z0X]

@@sixfromtokyo I would be inclined to believe you if you could show me one example of where he saw the android go full power against him before going to the past.

[@sixfromtokyo]

@@___________0Z0X Well the Entire argument they held back on Trunks is a big assumption anyway we never actually see them fight. Aside from that The Daizenshuu confirms the Androids from Trunks timeline are weaker than the ones from the present.

[@___________0Z0X]

@@sixfromtokyoTrunks facing them and not dying is proof that they held back on him. Your other point is better proof. But now we have the issue of how much stronger.

[@dbz287]

Just goes to show how much of a difference having a mentor can make. Because future gohan never trained seriously in his timeline except for with piccolo.

[@reptilian_geneticist]

Right off the bat this video is wrong because the future androids were not weaker... The future androids never used more than half power against Gohan and Trunks, therefore Trunks only ever experienced them at HALF POWER... So when Trunks sees the present timeline androids operating at more than HALF power he assumes that they must be stronger... But Trunks doesn't know that the future androids held back against Gohan and himself, however we the VIEWERS/READERS do know this information...

[@sixfromtokyo]

How is it wrong? Let me ask you a question. Can you prove they ever held back against Trunks when he fought them post Gohan's death? Even if they did like I say later in the video it's implied Trunks got stronger. Android 17 only says he held back on Gohan one time we don't even know if they fought outside of that so your entire comment is just a giant assumption don't call me wrong for YOUR interpretation of the series that you can't even back up.

[@arpadszabo661]

@@sixfromtokyo On top of what you said, future androids are going for the kill. If anything, present androids held back their power, since they never even tried to kill any of them, just knock them out during the first fight. Then android 17 goes all out against piccolo, who would demolish future Gohan, and its kinda equal. While future 17 in anime, struggled 1v1 against future Gohan.

[@reptilian_geneticist]

@@sixfromtokyo Lmao 🤣 your interpretation is just total bullshit... You're asking for information that is already blatantly implied and inferred by the statement itself... it's self explanatory and heavily implied that the androids always held back and toyed with Gohan and Trunks as their play things... So narratively speaking your interpretation is just blatantly wrong... and this isn't a debate, this is just about the facts, so your debating tactics are useless here... we both know that debates aren't about facts, just winning an argument.

[@reptilian_geneticist]

@@arpadszabo661 the future Androids were not going for the kill... wtf are you talking about? The androids kept Gohan and Trunks around for YEARS, toying with them... and Future 17 did not struggle with Gohan, he was only using half power... Literally everything you just said is completely wrong 🤣🤦

[@Saintsrow1824]

@@arpadszabo661the future androids never went for the kill though?

[@esteban8471]

A youtuber called Codenamesuper did a series of jokes about this. Future Gohan kept pulling up on the androids like the score wasn't 0-500.

[@IAxrySolo]

8:42 you good bro? 😭

[@acelnikitta4625]

Losing both of your father figures and all of your friends TWICE before hitting 10 is insane

[@subrahmanya9020]

Cause of weakness in fu gohan- No gravity training No good sparring partner.

[@JMA_21]

Another thing I just remembered was I wonder how much of a role the senzu beans dying out stopped him from getting zenkai boosts as much as he did in the original timeline.

[@redcarp9867]

Bro went out to Ki Blast Spam. How is Gohan of all people gonna go out to Ki Blast Spam?!

[@GaenRDN]

Solid video and solid points. I think people are just mad because they don't want to think bad of future gohan. He is still a great character and one of my favorites. I think it's because toriyama didn't really think that part through because he was making it up while he went on in the cell saga.

[@zirotsero6951]

The year future Gohan dies is the year he’s keeping up with Blue Kaioken Goku in the main timeline. And the power gap between Kid Trunks and Future trunks at the same time is like MSSJ Goku vs 3rd form Frieza. Baby trunks must be doing 100 push-ups, Sit Ups, Squats and a 10k run everyday since he was 4, meanwhile Future trunks is actually fed better than his main timeline since considering the growth spurt but was slacking

[@memby93x]

This household KNOWS Future Gohan is the GOAT. This is slander!

[@Epe328]

honestly i just chalking it up to toriyama fumbling the future timeline, like seven whole years and poppo not showing up once and not mentioning the time chamber? yeah sure totally

[@sixfromtokyo]

Popo rarely leaves the lookout to be fair and he has ever only asked Kid Goku to use it he never asks the Z Fighters to use it ever again even when they go and train on the Look out. It's pretty in character for him not to mention it.

[@Epe328]

@@sixfromtokyoI mean he left the lookout to info the others about kami's home planet and former spaceship him not dropping down at least giving a minuscule tip or even asking korin to tell yajirobe to find and tell goahn about the lookout, him just sitting up there while people are dying left and right just seems kinda dumb

[@FakeStuff5]

It only proves how great he is man. Bro was weak and still fought to protect everyone even tho he knew he would lose. You still an opp for us Future Gohan fans for making this video tho

[@Ironeagle21]

It's crazy how he fought the androids for so long yet never got any stronger.

[@ihopespaceisedible330]

That wake up felt so random😭

[@Casual__Chris]

This wake up shit was tripping me out bro, thought I was gonna open my eyes and see Morphius 😂

[@Flex_seal]

He’s called “Puddle”han for a reason

[@derkurier2710]

Something i think Dragonball: Sparking Zero shows quite well is that Future Gohan just sounds done with it all even when emotions show

[@javislice]

as a gohan fan, it's hard to watch vids like this on him - but i still gotta 'preciate + support great content

[@ForceEdge47]

I always thought it was surprising that even with basically everyone he knows being killed Future Gohan never unlocked SSJ2.

[@Kalizoid]

It was never about his strength, it was about how was always locked-in.

[@Nullus_0]

Yo Six great vid also what naruto topic should I do on my channel?

[@quanicle101]

i think you’re overthinking the personality difference between the androids of different timelines. the main timeline androids are different because of 16. he rubbed off on them

[@cboscan1]

I also saw someone’s headcannon theory that future Gohan could never get a zenkai boost bc he never rested after getting whooped by the androids and continuously had to return to fight without fully recovering

[@Cookingtonz-v3h]

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[@Bluebuu2k]

the intro must have been difficult for six to record based on how he talks about future gohan in streams

[@rhett3185]

It all comes down to training and mentorship. Future Gohan basically got no real training and no forewarning about the androids, Goku died to the heart virus early, Vegeta (iirc) didn’t even achieve super Saiyan in that timeline, and he definitely didn’t train with Gohan, and Piccolo’s training for Gohan just wasn’t as intense as it was in present timeline (if it even happened, we don’t know). Teen Gohan got intense training, with clear purpose from two of the most skilful and powerful characters at the time in Goku and Piccolo, he was basically left to train by himself which is a vastly inferior form of training compared to say sparring with a mentor who can teach you things you didn’t even know about yourself (like how Goku trained Gohan in the time chamber, focusing more on Gohan’s latent potential and helping him fully develop the super Saiyan transformations).

[@nani4249]

It's not like the future timeline was screwed although, roshi could have easily stepped in for gohan and with bulma making a gravity room and a farm of senzu gohan could have potential gained the level of power to no diff the andriods eventually. Baba was also alive so could have helped gohan, bringing dozens of martial arts masters throughout history and space to train gohan as well.

[@SansINess53]

Depending on the version. (You missed a huge detail that the future androids never showed their true power, so it might mean that the future androids are around the normal androids. In terms of power) The manga is the weakest future gohan who would be around above mecha frieza and cold combined but will face issues The ghost from tomorrow seems to be around the same. The history of trunks gohan. Is legit around piccolo with fused kami. Due to the fact he rivals one of the androids compared to the other gohans.

[@pubixcube27]

This version of Gohan knew nothing but suffering and died like a dog because he thought he could take on 2 androids on his own with 1 arm. He’s a walking L

[@DDobs12]

Current Gohan gets attacked for unearned power ups while future Gohan gets the "no training" bs.

[@kidfromthe7899]

which one are you defending? 😂

[@DDobs12]

@kidfromthe7 neither. Just making a point.

[@kidfromthe7899]

Ohh ​@@DDobs12

[@Miggetswithknives]

Future gohan is a warrior born from lack of love and guidance. Without his dad and really anyone to guide him and help him grow. Gohan was forced into survival after survival, perfecting his tech, learning to control his power? How can he do that when he's just focused on not having his loved ones die one after another.

[@GinkgoPete]

We arent preventing the apocolypse with this one!