Future of PoE 1 and PoE 2 - Quin Reacts to Chris Wilson & Jonathon Rogers Interview

[@Lowepe]

A true honor! Thank you for the positive feedback.

[@alexgabriel5877]

good interview!

[@alZiiHardstylez]

POG interview. Was surprised seeing the pleasantries at the start from a German :P

[@Janos0206]

Played it today at gamescom, it was fucking great

[@Janos0206]

Crazy to see Chris so dedicated and spend his whole Saturday just collecting feedback from fans after showing the demo

[@Special4ce293]

Im about to head to gamescom for today. Can't wait to meet and greet our GGG Overlords and play poe2 as well.

[@jordywillaert-rt9qt]

chris is a prime example of what a dedicated motivated game developer is. this guy.. THIS GUY literally went on multiple live streams with big and small poe steamers just to listen to them and their community becuase the league was in a bad state back than and people were shitting on the game and devs for how bad it was and this fucking guy literally spend so much of his free time listening to everyone and fixing everything and look how far they have come. that man is a legend and a example for many MANY developers / comanies out there! cough cough blizzard @@Janos0206

[@dtymnn]

nice. chur

[@kaelos4]

They say it's inexpensive to run old game server meanwhile AAA studios constantly disabling old games with bullshit reason.

[@Strill_]

It's inexpensive because PoE is an instanced game, so the costs scale with the number of players. Open world games have to run the world even when no one is there.

[@Schmidteren]

Man, I should have went just for POE. I live in Denmark. But I have never traveled before. But meeting Chris Wilson would have been amazing.

[@Leaf__22]

Skål

[@Xo1ot1]

20:58 "complexity is whether the system is hard to use or not". Have to object there: complicated = hard to use, complex = many parts. EDIT: 24:15 as someone who never touched PoE before, I can confirm that the gameplay of teleporting everywhere while a million spell effects oneshot everything doesn't look appealing. Watching PoE2 gameplay however, immdediately made me interested in the game.

[@zzxxccvv01]

Then you are just a diablo player. There is a difference between the pace of the 2 games and it should stay like that. Poe is gonna lose tons of players if they decide to cut the speed in poe2

[@germanrud9904]

​@@zzxxccvv01and it will gain many more. The spergfest gameplay you crave is honestly a niche at this point. People want more engaging, more methodical arpg gameplay.

[@codycasper2214]

Chris and Jonathon are the absolute Rank 1 GigaCHAD tier of Studio/Game Leads. It's incredible how they created and continue to update the blueprint for being a financially successful yet amazingly customer pleasing game. It was and still is right here for those muppets at Blizzard to learn from. But, as we are well aware, they created an aRPG so bland and casual that even casuals are tired of it. Then, when they feel the need to interface with their player base, they again put off the vibe that their last job was washing windows and they have never learned how to read the room because the curtains were always closed. Really reinforces how grateful I should be to have GGG and PoE in these modern days of over-monetized and underdelivered gaming.

[@germanrud9904]

what's your bench

[@manilowgamer]

Shame we have to wait over a year for Beta outside of a convention. I wanna play it.

[@TheSchultzZ]

fkin good interview, he asked all the BIG QUESTIONS

[@panda93247]

Quinn: "Hot take: tattoos are broken" Everyone else: "Cold take: tattoos are broken"

[@abisoft1]

As a new player I would have like a bit more guidance in the skill tree ( the idea of having a guideline planned by skill is pretty good :) ) . Maybe a bit more flexibility in respec skills points ; maybe like a starting option like instead of choosing hardcore or whatever you could choose n00b mode and have more respec options ? That was a thing that made me use an online guide instead of trying things out (specially when earing you could brick a character.)

[@Martin_Hermann]

10:30 I always thought they are planning leagues far ahead and working on different pipelines with allocation of necessary resources. Boggles my mind how they can produce an entire league in a matter of just 3 months!

[@d4n617]

Necroposting but the fact that they are able to retrograde the new animations into new monsters, holy moly. You can already see some of the warriors and huntress animations in the tribe leaders on trial of the ancients

[@ayoCC]

yeah having a default skill tree would be great, Especially if you can switch between your custom and the default at any time you want

[@kobarsos82]

The franchise of arpgs kinda needs a return to its roots, in a way. Right now you are looking at the screen and there is so much clutter, colors, rainbows, mechanics, numbers and explosions that you literally can't understand what is on your screen. Its annoying as hell, its frustrating, we never asked for all this on our screen, its a mess. This has to go, clean visuals should be a priority. Go back and look even at diablo 1, yes diablo 1, the roots, and you will see the appeal of having clean visuals, without any clutter. Understanding what is actually happening on the screen. It might sound minor, but its actually huge.

[@ayoCC]

So you're saying you want to Limit player power? You want people to be unable to build screen cancer builds? What if there was a button to hide all particle effects

[@kobarsos82]

Yup even ways to disable stuff with buttons would be fine@@ayoCC For example I might not want endless numbers on the screen I need to be able to disable that. Also if you pay attention to the video you will see that Quin also mentions this and its been a problem forever for all streamers of this game. You need to able to discern things at least up to a degree of what is happening on the screen. Making it more visually pleasing - clean, goes a long way to making the satisfaction of the player bigger as well.

[@PixelsPending]

7:20 I made a vengeance build with Atziri's Disfavour and I was able to dish out 12m damage per bleed :DD (well, 8 bleeds with Vaal Earthquake during bosses, and then a big bleed ontop every few moments)

[@DarkepyonX]

D4 first season was planned pre launch like most games , it's also why alot of game launches are a mess 😊

[@Z0mbie432]

the onboarding for players that actually want to play games like poe is better action combat it's the only thing stopping me and a lot of people poe1 just feels like I'm playing a spreadsheet I want to have fun killing monsters again

[@Enskyed]

​@@dagowowbased

[@supafroius]

This is cooked. Pick a skill, play it, have fun. Ssf for more fun. Trade if your time is limited. HC if you want a bigger challenge.

[@ayoCC]

​@@supafroiustbh trade will suck more time and just pollute your brain. Playing ssf and just getting the tricks to achieve your items through community tricks is just much more straight forward. And when it gets ridiculous just go trade and buy that 2c boot that you can use until hyper late game

[@peter486]

QUIN is a ring leader.

[@alZiiHardstylez]

That's crazy they don't have a roadmap for future leagues. I respect that.

[@Meitti]

Real reason why they're supporting both games is because they really can't import all PoE 1 side content into PoE 2 on release, doing PoE 2 versions of PoE 1 Leagues is going to take a while. So most likely what is going to happen is PoE 2 gets 1 new League + 1 Classic League each League, while PoE 1 gets 1 new League content. So eventually PoE 2 catches to PoE 1 and makes the first game redundant. When that happens I hope GGG releases a single-player offline version of the game as the final product.

[@OrionDuCros]

we're so lucky to have such based devs even if they aren't perfect they are head and shoulders above the rest.

[@TKnightTea]

Il be honest , i will buy a supporter pack of 200$ for Beta in an instant if that will be an option.

[@flipnshifty]

25:45 Chris's facial expressions are very telling. lol

[@danteafkCamelotUnchained]

To the people who went to gamescom, did you have a chance to talk with de devs? I was in cologne but didn’t bother going

[@kilner79]

here is how they could improve maps have it so yo ucan select the tile the mobs the density and then also pick teh affixes just for even more customization

[@ayoCC]

You're already using the atlas passive tree to control what appears and you use the map rarity to affect the monster pack size and the affixes on how hard it is?

[@kilner79]

@@ayoCC not played in over 6 years

[@adamkemp801]

Dude you've missed the visual queues, Chris winks more that he should!

[@SomeGumshoe]

"He's talking about Mathil builds." gottem lol

[@Iamawesomenorly]

3:00 quin doesn't know forking is a thing.

[@lordofchaosinc.261]

Not sure why everyone's talking about alt-tabbing out of the game. I'm sure Quin here has more monitors set up than I have.

[@SkidogMedia]

Chris Wilson’s face at around 9:55 lol he did not like that answer

[@freedompower]

time to save up $200

[@honeybadger781]

Paradox grand strategy games like EUIV are more accessible to new players than poe. POE is the worst new player experience I've ever had. Ziz's POE university is equally horrible for new players.

[@heqitao]

Honestly nothing against Johnathon, but I disagreed with almost everything he said at Exilecon. Yes I know, he has more experience with gaming in his morning piss than I will ever have; statement still stands. Too much of the PoE II contains dated ideas and lacks the innovation of One. Gold, universal dodge roll, been there - done that class design; I wasn't blown away. Don't get me wrong, love the new graphics and sound, and I'm sure it will be a good game; I just wanted a "WOW! I never would have thought of that" or "that's a completely new idea" moment, and it just never came (unlike most of the content creators who I thought could have given a more balanced, less fan boi, reaction). I doubt anyone will agree with me, so it goes. Still love GGG, they are one of the best gaming companies in the World currently.

[@spbalance]

Oh you mean like the weapon swap pr skill with a dynamic skill tree? that kind of innovation? these games has done enough innovation for five triple A ARPGs combined. Dodge roll is just more combat/movement fluidity, it's not a major feature

[@heqitao]

@@spbalance I was waiting for someone to mention the weapon swap ;-) it's cool to be sure. Don't agree about the dodge roll not being major - Rory even mentioned that you might not even need movement skills anymore. That's a scary proposal. You're right GGG has done a ton for ARPGs and gaming in general, that doesn't mean we should be afraid to be critical. A room full of "yes men" never helped anyone or anything. Thx for your reply.

[@Mediumdoo]

Poe gonna bomb , wait and see

[@breikio]

So PoE1 basically becomes Classic WoW and PoE is becoming the main game.

[@tinecchi3648]

I really like Quinn’s idea if your a new player the game gives you a skill tree for a specific skill for example ice shot It is still very bad to force new players to look up all the information and set everything up before you play. Just give them a basic skill tree until they hit maps and let them respec the tree 😅 You don’t even have to give them regrets just make new chars have 100 respec points It literally hurts no one to have that

[@rpemulis]

seeing the old headhunter gameplay on twitch is what got me to play this game in the first place and i've been hooked since. nothing about what i've seen from poe2 so far has made me think "holy shit, i need to try this". shit just looks like diablo 4.

[@burningpipe2627]

Good. Lets hope it doesnt appeal to players like you.

[@zzxxccvv01]

True. Let diablo cucks have an "engaging combat" in their own game. We want to zoom around

[@nicholasfigueiredo3171]

They will ALWAYS run POE1 the worst they will do it is just not update anymore

[@Nekros4442]

I would pay 200 bucks for beta access. Easy

[@fok8810]

ruthless

[@spbalance]

love it

[@voswouter87]

People who get scared off by the skill tree aren't ready for the rest of Path of Exile either.

[@rexchance5598]

Don't think "interesting interactions between skills" is actually a good goal. Reminds me of Blizzard's "meaningful choice" buzzwords for shadowlands a few years back. Sounds good, but that is all buzzwords are good for. In practive, from what I have seen in other games, it just leads to simple 1-2 or 1-2-3-1-2-1-2 type of combos that in a sense are more mind-numbing than pressing just a single or two spells all the time. It's like you have to do a little monkey-dance when DPSing. Not saying I want only 1-button spam, but if the combo isn't fun to do I would prefer not having to combo for it. Combos aren't innately enjoyable or interesting to me, they need to feel good to perform or they are just a hassle. Big part of that is keeping them smooth and fluid and keeping my char mobile while doing them. Getting stuck in place every screen for a few seconds while my character ramps his damage up through combining some individually mediocre skills is not very fun to me.

[@Martin_Hermann]

I don't get why they let Lowepe do the interview. Palsteron and mbxtreme speak far better English.

[@SpitzkopfRandy]

The questions where good for the most part

[@focusidiotus1180]

His English is fine. Just strong accent

[@CCSplinters]

I feel bad for the interviewer. He's just starting and was already apologetic due to his bad english. 😂

[@rawrproductions5963]

its sadly the nature of german school system and a lot of non involvement with different english speaking mediums bc nearly everything gets translated to german, that kinda leads germans into not having a storng usecase to even learn. it is very common here even for younger folk.

[@CCSplinters]

@@rawrproductions5963 not really a problem. I actually like the interviewer because i feel like he actually play the game (poe1) and his questions are ready or spot on.

[@rawrproductions5963]

@@CCSplinters oh i dont condemn it either :) he probably thinks himself, that was not a good showing. And yes he is a german poe streamer.

[@baldar9254]

I want to emphasize this approach and I will put all my years of experience in RPG and MMO to only make this comment as best as possible and even putting all my effort I want to tell you that I will go on my own in this approach letting you know that this is only my opinion because it is quite and very deep the issue that the solution could only be found among a group of Very few and experienced players not just me.First stop repeating that dev team has to play the game and be players of the game so they can know that they are doing that is a complete mistaken approach, dev team does not make games the players make the games for them to put it into practice is like calculating thousands of hours vs few thousand hours or maybe 100 there is no comparison in the experience acquired just stop ok not even close.Second and this are just my words the idea of cross platform, cross gameplay is one of the reasons why good concepts and bases have been forgotten and one of the reasons why games today are being ruined, is a leap that right now the technology behind is clearly very, very in basic terms so please do not do it or if you are going to do it well, but they can give the point do not do it, it is like trying to make a quantum engine and not get it to start but that stupid continue to try, but try it do not take it out knowing that the person who will go inside is going to die.Third and the most serious of all and the term of why the rpgs can not move to the next face is rather starting with its conceptual form we will go back first in the term Hack slash, or hack slay or its HNS syllables so that you can understand me, which is referred to the type of game with emphasis on combat. This term has many futures and its largest subgenre is called beat 'em up. that today many modern games have open three-dimensional systems, such as cooperative game system and multiplayer characters and here is one of the main problems that does not overcome any, (the concept). This does not mean that for the current year 2023 I have to kill everything in one fell swoop completely ruining the gameplay the cooperative game and multicharacter objectives are not stupid Chris LOL? I FUKING will love to see you to sucess but i have no hope just take the time you need to make POE2 good i will wait when you guyz be ready

[@j.lucasdecastroaraujo761]

Quin awful take as usually against sentinel league

[@rOxinhoPKK]

sentinel was garbage

[@zzxxccvv01]

fuck u guys sentinel was amazing

[@SimbaXp]

if someone suck at understanding the game, they shouldn't force themselves to play

[@boercarlyle]

Jonathan is ahhh ummm so good at saying a whole lot of nothing

[@ZZ-cr9pz]

D4 made me dislike arpgs as a whole, have no interest in that genre anymore.

[@evanwater3633]

ah play a good one then. but I know what ya mean. I haven't played poe in years. but d4 made me reinstall

[@Janos0206]

Pepsi made me dislike soda as a whole, I have no interest in carbonated beverages anymore 😠

[@papyrus9761]

I got tricked by a tranny, now I have no interest in sex anymore.

[@TriscoG]

@@Janos0206 water made me disinterested in showering, I don't do that anymore.

[@mackparker9064]

@@Janos0206 based

[@og_killa2482]

Poe 2 looks so bad dude super bad... im not looking forward to it at all legit looks slow like daiblo and animations are lame as. RIP

[@Strill_]

Go play Vampire Survivors

[@skollkid]

big news, only 10% the skills are practical or relevant yet another league, oh the innovation, the ARPG dream, by the time poe2 comes out dogshit 4 will most likely have an endgame worth noting and while poe might have more links in its chain, it wont be as sturdy as D4 by then (assuming D4 doesn't get D3 treatment). tldr D4 bad for now

[@arcc4]

Man you are on some high level copium. Let's ignore for a moment the fact that 10% of skills in PoE is still more choices and has more customization than D4 ever will, that Blizzard has repeatedly cut losses on under performing live-service games to simply move on to the next retail release, and that absent Blizzard North the parent company is now 0 for 2 on designing an ARPG that isn't so fundamentally flawed they spend the first year overhauling their mistakes, they still don't know how to make a proper ARPG and the core design of D4 hinders their ability to expand the game in ways that motivates people to continue to come back. PoE's success is built on the fact its a modular bottom-up design that lets the devs basically plug-n-play skills, supports, items, passives, etc... with higher frequency allowing them to expand and iterate more efficiently. D4 is built like an MMO with heavy top-down design, which is to say to add just one skill to D4 would require designing new sub-talents, designing new aspects, and new uniques, which is why there probably won't be any added until the expansion. It's going to be a small assortment of new items and aspects providing a limited amount of iteration and then some kind of limited time tacked on power system. Basically D3 seasons. Nothing transformative.

[@skollkid]

@@arcc4 "Lets ignore" proceeds to say im on copium, the vast majority of ARPGs arent enjoyable upon release and if you were to compare poe's first league to diablo 4 season 1 then the meme would be D4 good. Besides, no company actually knows how to make a proper ARPG, in some aspects after MANY leagues poe KINDA has a decent clue, but reality is at first glance you feel like you have so many more options with how gems link to supports etc but half the game is really just knowing how to use PoB and patting yourself on the back. My level 100 sorc actually has decent customization, i dont play anymore but i was atleast able to create a legit build even to a further extent it has more buttons to press and utilization than most fleshed out POE builds. In fact if it was possible i'd rather play that sorc build in POE than a poe build.

[@wellwhale]

vegan

[@skollkid]

@@wellwhale Couldn't be me, im a dota player, i only play ARPGs completely SSF style, no guides, no help, i figure out my options myself, i dont really enjoy poe or d4, but d4 team got the resources to be the inverted under dog and make POEs system start to show that its over complexity isn't actually as novel as it seems.

[@wellwhale]

@@skollkid LoL > Dota. Who needs turn rate? Deny? Pull creeps? Unnecessary complex 😏

[@jordywillaert-rt9qt]

if Chris would run for president i'd vote for him. that man is a living legend!

[@Vashtiian]

The dude on the right saying that he didn't think that the gameplay shown was slow is fucking insane. Personally everything the guy on the right said scares the hell out of me.

[@SomeGuyWithAFace9]

have poe players played any other videogame? do you watch someone playing super mario bros and think to yourself "holy fucking shit dude he stomped on a goomba and it only killed one? why doesnt he have explodey? zdps shit build no clear"

[@zzxxccvv01]

​@@SomeGuyWithAFace9tf are u even on about clown? How is that relevant?

[@spbalance]

Look at it differently. I say CHALLENGE ACCEPTED... We will crack open and speed up that game ourselves, wait and see. I look forward to it. What he's doing is managing expectations. I imagine it will still be fast, just not covered in projectiles and excessiveness.

[@roberthauss2226]

GGG WILL KILL POE1 BIFORE POE2