99% of tennis players were taught this (WRONG) strategy

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@tennisvids Ай бұрын

I like these tips for players around 4.0. One of my tactics is I like to counterintuitively hit down the same side of the court when I'm pushed back to keep my ball deep. I am fast and for most of my opponents I can cover their crosscourt. Regarding beating a pusher, i think it requires much more skill than people realize. Some of them are simply really good and leave you in awkward positions, and you won't only get moonballs. Get ready to run fast for those dinks followed by lobs over your head. 😅

@johnbenevoli2066 Ай бұрын

????????!!! To run around a backhand, you are not taking time away from your opponent!...just saw the Italy vs Australia Davis Cup last night. The Berrettini/Kokinakis match highlighted just how many short balls were poorly struck in an effort to run around a backhand, especially the slice....UNSUCCESSFULLY. Running around a fall that fades is a risky proposition and by adding an extra five or six steps...you are adding time for your opponent to recover. The ONLY time to run around a backhand is simultaneous to your opponent overreaching for a ball. If that opportunity is missed, hit a deep, high backhand or a short angle backhand or a drop shot! Also, to play over aggressive takes alot of practice and consumes alot of energy. its a subtle balancing act, requiring much stamina.

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

Run around the mid-court backhand and attack with the forehand. Start doing it and you'll learn what balls you can do it successfully on.

@marcomonti9823 Ай бұрын

Many, many years ago I found your youtube channel and rediscover the fun for trying to improve my tennis game. Great work!

@fuzzyyellowballs Ай бұрын

Thanks! How's your game looking? :-)

@Mrenji28 Ай бұрын

Thank you for thinking so much about tennis match situational strategies ❤. What I experianced in recreative tennis matches (40 - 50 year old players in my leage) is, when you try to play behind them, most of the time are not moving to the open space and that's the reason I first let them run to the open space 😉. Probably these tactics are meant for very fit players, professionals/semiprofessionals.

@-Munditimum- Ай бұрын

I got the news rules a while back. It's full of surprises and great points that will indeed work for all players. Thank you Will and Craig. M

@petesampras2611 Ай бұрын

Improve your backhand approach win percentage by hitting a forehand approach. Genius.

@GRBomber Ай бұрын

Are analytics from top players good information for recreational players? Most people can barely hit decent approach shots, let alone be fast enough to recognize and run around a BH approach. This looks like foolish advice.

@schmidty4885 Ай бұрын

This is correct. I forget which popular KZbin coach said this but I agree: ATP points are based on world-class athleticism and they can get away with lower percentage shots more often. WTA points are played with more traditional tactics and are a good model for recreational level players.

@keithhayes844 Ай бұрын

Not foolish. I taught tennis for decades, and I would take Craig O’Shaugnessy seriously. He looks at stats for both the pros and recreational players, and you’d be surprised how similar the numbers are.

@ssab724 Ай бұрын

Good info, could you comment if this applies for lefties, which would be hitting to a righty’s forehand? I would think you are better off hitting the old way instead….

@fuzzyyellowballs Ай бұрын

I'm lefty, I still approach cc at the backhand. It's actually more of an advantage in the sense we don't have to run around our backhand, so theoretically we should have more opportunities to take advantage of the 76% win rate.

@kofyadega5341 Ай бұрын

Yes.thinking same.playing a leftie approach shot old rules I guess! .The stats are?

@steveodog47 Ай бұрын

This actually makes sense because you are forcing your opponents to hit their( probable) weaker shot and also redirect it down the line where the court is shorter and the net higher.

@marktace1 Ай бұрын

So what do the stats say on a backhand approach shot? Is dtl or Xcourt better. We can’t always run around the backhand. TBH, hitting a forehand approach any time you can is a no brainer for most of us, especially with a one hand bh.

@ABDay-x7e Ай бұрын

Oh i see how this works....if both players are the same handed!!! What about when its a righty vs. lefty?? like someone should run around their backhand to hit a cross court approach shot to their opponents forehand - hmmmm....yeesh! Get a clue!

@gatesurfer Ай бұрын

The backhand approach worked when you didn’t have the high tech rackets. You can’t get the spin or the angles with wood. This modern approach also assumes that the backhand of your opponent is always weaker. In fact, with two hand backhands so common, that’s not necessarily the case. There’s a lot more variety than there used to be. People can turn their wrists to get angles, bunt at the ball to go up the line, even go for a one handed slice to go low and hard and over the middle. All very difficult for a net player to handle. But the fact is, there have been no really great net players in a long time. Sampras was the last. You used to have McEnroe, Edberg, Becker, a few Aussies, who could dominate at the net. No more. Maybe the rackets took them away. It’s disappointing.

@brandomaxwell Ай бұрын

Folks may point to the exceptions, but the stats don't lie. I am officially adopting this tactic. Thanks FYB n Craig!

@lenwelch2195 Ай бұрын

That ball better be short or your approach shot better be deep to have the extra half second to get into net position.

@lognathan7119 Ай бұрын

There is nothing like new rule and old rule. Rules/patterns only work as long as the opponent does not know about it. Put yourself in the opponent's position. If you know that the pattern is to approach and cover the down-the-line pass, what would you do? Yes, you will hit the passing shot cross court. Hence the "new rule" - to pass cross court. Well, what if the opponent is also aware of this "new rule"!

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

Then, they have to execute a change of direction on the backhand side, and go down the line over the high part of the net with less court length.. AND hit it hard enough that you won't have time cover it and angle it away to the open court. It's a low percentage pass. If you want to test it out, play a cross court rally game with a hitting partner, tell them they only go cross court until you approach cross court (this is when the point starts) and then they have to try beat you anyway they want. Play to 10 and count how many times they successfully burn you down the line. I'll bet you they don't do it more than twice if you are good at approaching.

@lognathan7119 Ай бұрын

@@proshepherd About 2 years back, I commented the same opinion as yours in another video youtube / watch?v=-mXC3cwlY2I

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

@@lognathan7119 I don't know what you're trying to link but you could explain if you want

@nicolaswhitehouse3894 Ай бұрын

Typically I like to hit my approach hard and deep in the middle. Doesn’t allow much angle from opponents and lets me play an easy volley.

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

I'm very interested in the stats on this. I've definitely had a lot of success hitting my first volley deep middle at my opponents feet. I've noticed opponents at the 4.5-5.0 level falling away from the passing shot and not having the angles as well.

@timefly4221 Ай бұрын

All I learned from this video is that O’Shaugnessy’s statistically average player is a right handed player with a stronger forehand than backhand. All of his subsequent advice flows from the idea of two of these statistically average players facing each other.

@jackiedoonnie Ай бұрын

What about backhand slice approach? Is it the same 53% win rate?

@jerrywelsh3366 Ай бұрын

How, if any, does the left-hander modify the ‘new’ rule?

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

It's easier and more efficient. You don't have to run around and hit inside out. You just rip a cross-court forehand, follow it in, and stick that first volley right down their backhand's throat. Then you close, watching for the overhead. If they try to pass, you hit the open court volley, if they lob, get back quick and finish with the overhead.

@petosp Ай бұрын

First when you approach the net down the line you dont cover down the line (because its actually the hardest shot to hit for a pass). Its also interesting that your strategy does not go beyond forehand or backhand approach but also dept and spin could also make a big factor when going to the net..

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

Yes and no. It's almost always easier to send a ball back where it came from, but if you are going to change direction, it's much easier to take a ball cross-court. If you attack down the line, and your opponent realizes you're covering the middle, you'll start getting burned up the line all day long. However, if you go line and cover line, a cross court pass is will easily pay the bills. From experience, this strategy of attacking cross court to the backhand and coming forward works very well. As a lefty, I do this all the time with good win percentages.

@petosp Ай бұрын

@proshepherd its very different when playing not as pro.. your lefty forehand normally goes to the weaker backhand. Hitting down the line shots all day long is way more difficult to achieve than cross court.. higher part of the net, spin wise its easier to do cross court as well..

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

@@petosp depends on the level. Almost any UTR 8 and above can direct their passing shots pretty well. For reference, I'm between a 9-10 UTR right now, so nowhere near pro level. 8 UTR players can definitely pass me up the line if I attack down the line and cover middle. They can also hit cross court angles off of down the line approaches.

@SrJFK Ай бұрын

What if attacking player is left-handed? Does strategy change?

@cirniman Ай бұрын

Does the 53% apply to wawrinka, too?

@kimbashakti155 Ай бұрын

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@fuzzyyellowballs Ай бұрын

It’s digital! No need to ship :)

@lenwelch2195 Ай бұрын

Unless your opponent is Chris Evert that had best backhand crosser ever. Lol

@tatsf226 Ай бұрын

Some recreational players backhand are better than forehand, I don't hit to their backhand.

@KentWood-OptimizeUTennis Ай бұрын

Nope this idea is 2nd best choices......approach straight down the middle. No angles for the passer and no coach or player works on passing shots from the center of the court...just watch Andy Murray vs Misha Zverev at the Australian Open. Murry, with his level of play and groundstrokes, had no idea how to pass from Misha approaching down the middle.

@morrisvanderlinden3549 Ай бұрын

My backhand is my wheapon..so bye bye percentage

@sg-px5vh Ай бұрын

Now after watching video, if everyone goes behind the back in first volley, then that is something your opponent will be expecting and will be prepared for that instead of going to open court, won't they? :)

@benkofi8570 Ай бұрын

This is why tennis is an art. Big data helps but if you overuse something it will likely backfire against comparable competition.

@lenwelch2195 Ай бұрын

If the other guy gets to your approach late they can’t hit cross court, only down line toward middle of the court.

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

If you recognize they are late to the ball, lean line more than usual.

@benkofi8570 Ай бұрын

Do they have adaptations for being a lefty? I know they lessons on beating lefties.

@kylebeng Ай бұрын

what if the ball is so wide and short that you cant hit a forehand?

@ELCapiTRAN Ай бұрын

1) keep the rally going until you can anticipate that you can run around it. 2) 53% is still a winning percentage so you still have the advantage. 3) if you have a good slice DTL backhand, your winning percentage increases as the slice shot is harder to lift and drop that sharp cross court.

@kylebeng Ай бұрын

@ELCapiTRAN thanks

@proshepherd Ай бұрын

@@ELCapiTRAN I still hate the slice approach to their firehand though. The problem with this specific scenario is that if you are wide and short, you are in a really awkward spot. Drop shot or slice angle is useful here, deep and hard to the middle is also useful to find a better attacking ball.