G9Defense 80gr 9mm External Hollow Point !! A Worthy Contender???

[@phigdon3]

I carry the g9 in my P365 in both 9mm and 380 versions. I use Underwood Extreme Defender 68 gr +p in my G19.

[@Olivehollow]

Nice review. Been wanting to try this ammo for awhile.

[@Arkancide]

When they start releasing the G9 77gr version that they try to market to LEO and Military I'll be interested. AND if it performs as their demonstrations show. Until then, I'll keep running Critical Defense/Duty and my favorite 'gimmick' rounds, Liberty Civil Defense.

[@tihnsorfjw]

They'll never release that. They're too goody good good with 3 letter agencies

[@CHEECHMUN]

Liberty & Pilgrim are basically the same ammo. Does not look like gimmick ammo.

[@jamesdylan2446]

Yeah far from gimmick liberty is very destructive. I’ve seen it tested in person on gel a hog that was killed shortly before “nasty damage”. Also went straight through some body armor into gel. It doesn’t basically explode until soft tissue fills the hollow point. I’ve been asked plus seen lot of people who don’t know as much as they think talk about it breaking apart with armor or thick clothing. The ammo is insane. Gun is lighter to carry. Recoil calms a little. It’s my edc in 9 and 45. 45 does crazy damage. The 10 which I don’t have but brother and law does…that shit would take down King Kong lol. Ammo is far from a gimmick. Honestly anyone who says that just doesn’t know. Period. Even if they own it. Reality is most of us are never gonna need the ammo for what it’s meant for. Unless you live in Chicago. I live in a very low crime area. Don’t really need to carry. But I keep it in my car because I live by two gun ranges. I don’t work. So I stop by few times week. I also like the underwood stuff. But yeah. Liberty as you said is no gimmick.

[@Arkancide]

@@jamesdylan2446 It's my everyday carry ammo. Plenty of fudds like to call it a gimmick, but I don't think it is.

[@champy1210]

Not gimmicky at all, but since they won’t release 77-gr. to non-redcoats, my money will go to Lehigh Underwood and Ft. Scott.

[@watermann8200]

When I'm in the woods hunting or hiking, I use the G9 in my P320 M18. I'm alternating the external HP with their Woodsman shaped charge in a 21 rnd mag thinking they'll have good penetration on large predators.

[@andrewmconrad]

I received that round too. That was very impressive. That video should be posted on Monday 🙂

[@FlyManChimera]

I could see these being great for cougars or black bears

[@SmokesKwazukii]

@@FlyManChimera even a brown bear potentially but its not ideal at all to use 9mm for them obviously

[@calangel]

Hmmm, i wonder what these get out of the XL. Underwood's XD 68gr +p gets 1825 for me chronographed. 1915fps from the 4.3" zafiri precision threaded barrel.

[@attisthecat]

In defense situation how do you think this stacks up against typical hollow points. I could see police using this as they i would say more often have to shoot through objects, like windshields, glass, wood, etc. For normal civilian CCW, would this penetrate more than desired ?

[@jason200912]

It's better in every category imaginable. The only advantage of hollowpoints is they can be tuned for extra low 13" penetration by fiddling with the bullet weight and reducing the powder. Fluted ammo is barrier blind and will always perform the same even with barriers in the way. And it helps a ton that my 9mm fluted ammo is half the weight of hollows so it feels like a feather. If you're gonna stick with hollows regardless even when it's inferior in all caregories then barnes/dpx is the best for 9mm hollows (13.5" penetration), and federal and gold hollows is best for 380 (about 13", but wont always expand)

[@Dwayne7834]

Thanks for sharing. I don’t use them. I can see the weight difference in carrying a couple magazines maybe some what lighter than lead or copper . bullets . Thanks for the video

[@andrewmconrad]

That's a good point about the extra magazines, but overall I don't think it'd make a big difference.

[@CHEECHMUN]

Still impressive speed. I've seen an impressive wound channel by Gun Sam. And he used 2 different sized guns. I've also seen meat shot with it, gnarly!!! G9 Defense 9mm+P External Hollow Point Ballistic Test. Now you must test the Pilgrim.

[@kimt3817]

Interesting that it doesn’t shroom and stays in its original form. Did you find a difference in recoil?

[@andrewmconrad]

Honestly didn't notice a difference in the recoil.

[@jason200912]

Slow motion footage shows that xtreme defender and g9 defense have very very little muzzle flip and recoil. Because jt uses a 380 bullet with a ton of powder.

[@CHEECHMUN]

Not made to shroom. I hear people that say it's less recoil.

[@danielaramburo7648]

Was the recoil less than when shoot a 115 grain ?

[@andrewmconrad]

I didn't notice a difference in recoil

[@garretthegun4982]

What’s Sammi? Safe?

[@tihnsorfjw]

Aee you using HSTs for your 10mm rounds?

[@andrewmconrad]

I have tested the HST's in 10mm. Fantastic round.

[@johne1653]

Got to like that "Jello Jiggle" And we all know that shot placement is the key to maximizing the potential of any bullet. Got hand it to technological advances in CNC abilities to produce bullets like this and lehigh etc. The hitch in the giddy up is cost! Personally I would not stand in the way of any bullet. But, all the CNC solid copper bullets will probably not gain widespread use and thus lower the costs. And, let's face up....most people are not shooters but gun owners and gun owners do not pay particular attention to what they load their self defense weapons with. And, the # of shooters out there are probably not going to swayed to dropping their Federal HST - Speer Gold Dot - Winchester Ranger. And, these specialty ammo makers want LARGE contracts with LE agencies rather than selling ammo piece meal by a box here and there.

[@andrewmconrad]

Good points John. I also would not stand in the way of any projectiles. Even a 22!

[@wac8516]

so true, with the prices of ammo now a days for me it just wouldn't be cost effective when other ammo would still get the job done at a cheaper price, but that's just me. others have their way of how to go about things like this. did enjoy the vid, thanks

[@jerseythedog]

I’m so confused as to why it’s called a “hollow point”. I’ve always thought about the flowering as the advantage for hollow points.

[@Firefuzz11]

It’s called an “external hollow point”. The design and high speeds push the fluid of the target away from the bullet and cause massive amounts of ripping and tearing as it tries to disperse the contents of its target.

[@Stopsign32v]

Hold a spoon under some running water.

[@basedyt6485]

My last comment got removed. I'm not sure why, maybe becuz it involves the death of an animal. In any case, HPs are by definition cavities. So you can't have an external hollow point, it is a silly marketing gimmick. But the bullet does have impressive terminal ballistics and to me exhibits lower recoil as compared to maybe 115 grainers. G9 really should revamp their marketing.

[@jerseythedog]

Thanks guys!

[@CHEECHMUN]

They call it a reverse hollow point.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Very interesting. Gun Sam just test these type also. I think the G9 might be more likey to damage "better" than Extreme Defender. But not sure I am ready to switch from HST or Gold Dot or even Critical Defense type bullets. Thank you for test.

[@andrewmconrad]

Definitely not swapping out the HST's or Gold Dot's for these. Agree.

[@bly4233]

Make conventional choices if you want conventional results. Traditional handgun wounds are inferior. Nice that someone is trying to change that. Why would you think the fluting would improve penetration? It creates drag while dispersing tissue.

[@jason200912]

Underwood has the far superior loading but g9 has rhe better patented bullet. Sadly the g9 uses a very mild loading

[@n0tthemessiah]

​@@jason200912In what world is 1300+ fps for a 9mm round from a 3" barrel "mild"? 124gr Federal HSTs are 200 fps slower out of a longer barrel (rated at 4"). You're talking nonsense. Also, the G9 is a significantly heavier bullet than the Underwood.

[@jason200912]

@@n0tthemessiah which caliber are you talking about for the 2? 9mm g9 is 80 grains. Underwood is 1700 fps 68 or 90 grains G9 even admitted it themselr they underload their bullets to make sure it cannot pierce 3a armor because of media fear

[@Jack-oz4bf]

Clear ballistics gel sucks.

[@brianbelliveau5551]

Looks nasty that will make you think twice about coming in the house

[@andrewmconrad]

Definitely not a good idea 😂

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[@01PATRIOT4EVER]

I'm color blind...so I can't see anything

[@BTT72genX]

Why did they call it an “external hollow point”???? Based on its description you will go to prison for carrying this in NJ. Why didn’t they just call it what it is a fluted round. I feel like this could give the anti 2nd amendment nuts an opportunity to label all fluted bullets as “hollow points”.

[@tedundercarriage8183]

Find the people who are trying to ban them, they have faces and names.

[@almaadams3631]

Well, if you carry full size, should really be bigger than 9mm.

[@chrisr251]

Oh look. A Lehigh Defense knock-off.

[@andrewmconrad]

Some slight differences, but you can argue that against most rounds created after the original hollow points

[@ansonflavel6946]

Vast differences. Same effect? More or less, ultimately. The difference between them? Far more consistency coming out of the G9, as well as less deviation.

[@CHEECHMUN]

Their bullet has a patent..

[@RichardRobinson-x2f]

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