Gabbie Hanna, Jason Nash & “Flop Influencers” - What Happens When the Influencer Well Dries

[@Anna-MLS]

influencers will not be spared by late stage capitalism 😭

[@MikasRhetoric]

Reeeeaaaaaalllllll

[@LoveAndSnapple]

ESPECIALLY not them.

[@neptune0.0]

cant imagine the privilege of "just" moving to LA by yourself under 18 and being like "meh this isn't for me"

[@nicopeachh]

And being able to fund going back to school!

[@lyna7038]

I mean good for them I guess

[@og_ladyo]

This is proof that many influencers come from upper-class families. Being an influencer is a rich man's game.

[@MikasRhetoric]

@og_ladyo yeah it took me about 2 years to afford the stuff to make my videos look up to par with other influencers

[@dusty8442]

As someone who works at the YMCA I have to say that Gabby working there is honestly the best thing she could do for her mental health. The YMCA is a very open and welcoming space and very accepting of people with mental health problems, it's somewhere comfortable and each YMCA holds a small community of people you get to know personally. The YMCA is also majority older demographics especially for Zumba so she's able to be there without the constant fear or worry someone might recognize her and harass her further.

[@amystubby]

I'm weirdly proud of Gabbie. Got her shit together, got off the internet, got out of LA and got an actual job. That's more than I thought she was possible 2 years ago. She has come a long way.

[@momomomo__]

same tbh. it gives me hope for other problematic people. she got herself together, worked to become better and managed to move on from everything. everyone was begging her to get away from the internet, and she seems to be doing great now that she did. good for her.

[@babyconch6459]

I just wished she apologized after all the damage she did but it probablt wouldn't have gone over smoothly bc the Internet was down with her already. So glad she's off the internet so she can't harm both herself and the internet.

[@Daveyjonesvi]

@@babyconch6459really what damage does a old social media personality do… like… 👀

[@maddyc2412]

She's still a shitty person and has a lot to answer for

[@natalierose1072]

​@babyconch6459 lol what damage? Have you been personally victimized by her or did you get caught up with drama on the internet 🤔

[@cutelatina00508]

The thing about Jason Nash is that he doesn't WANT to get a real job. There are thousands of things he could be doing, not just OF or KZbin... he's soooo entitled

[@erika2m16]

He could even keep doing lives, but actually try to provide some VALUE, like actually attempting to be entertaining. Not just "who can get the money" battles

[@babygirltro9715]

Honestly Jason having to beg for money on live is really his karma

[@MikasRhetoric]

I mean yeah like the stuff he let pass on the vlog squad was obscene

[@ciaociara]

v cringe 🫣 lol

[@gloriajewelart]

@@MikasRhetoricwoah i’m so curious about what he let pass reading ur comment makes me actually FEEL the URGE? to watch the blog squad videos on youtube right now?? I don’t think i’ve ever watched a david dudebrick video before at least not more than 30 seconds after one ☝🏻 of his videos being suggested to me, decided this content was NOT made for me personally 😂😂😂😂 but i rlly am soooo curious now i hear so many ppl talk about HUMILIATION being a consistent theme of how the contestants were treated in some capacity that’s just what i’ve heard thru da internet grape vine but i gotta go watch for myself now!!! I LOVE SOCIOLOGY

[@Nithinithinith]

He is ?

[@Princess.McBetch]

Who knew the teenager gravy train would leave the station? Obviously not Jason. He lived outside his means and continues to, two years into a podcast and it isn't profitable?? Scale! It! Down!!!

[@julieblair7472]

That Jake Paul teachers song is just like the Boyinaband "Don't Stay In School" song, it is SO juvenile.

[@MikasRhetoric]

I forgot about that 😭😭

[@justwonder1404]

This 'real life' argument is especially funny considering how detached from reality a lot of influencers are.

[@lindenm.9149]

That was my anthem in middle school lmao

[@migoreng7789]

i don't like jason nash or (anyone connected to the vlog squad) but i think it's kinda weird how people don't mention how much david exploited those people. like his vlogs became merch ads at one point, he didn't give anyone a cent from that. he pocketed all money. if you think about it in terms of regular job... having a boss who has you make a fool out of yourself on camera, create a cult-like enviorment, and ... not pay you a cent. that's not normal. regardless of what jason is doing right now, the whole situation is fucked up. especially now that david flaunts his wealth in ways such as comissioning eyeball art. and natalie is in her girlboss era... i don't feel bad for jason cause he's a creep but it's still a shitty situation. going on tiktok live to beg for roses is fucked up ngl, but at the same time crazy that david did so many shitty things, including harassing journalists who wrote about him in negative light, sa, and causing someone to become disabled (let's be real, jeff's injuries make him unemployeable irl, i have serious retinal detachment going on and it comes with many limitations) and yet is living lavish as if nothing happened.

[@CJAmara]

I slightly disagree. During the height of the vlog squad, ALL of them were raking in cash. David was not paying them, but they were benefiting and they were all getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of views on their own channels. Yes, David should have paid them and a good person would help their friend in need (David is not a good person), but they should have all planned for themselves. The expectation that the David gravy train would last forever or that David would sort them out was misplaced and short sighted. It’s sad to see, but Jason is a man in his 50s with children and should have carved out something for himself and maintained some sort of independence. But yes, David is trash. Jason is trash. All the vlog squad are trash.

[@laurenrobinson9072]

​@@CJAmarathe fact david wasnt paying people is disgusting. If it were just him vlogging by himself he wouldnt have had that money.

[@turnip9488]

I actually really respect a lot of the people who were influencers and then decided they didnt wanna do it anymore. Most of em are in their 20s and thats an excellent time to try and figure out what youre supposed to do with their life. They did it, they made their money and they moved on! More power to em

[@migoreng7789]

christine sydelko is an interesting case of someone left her internet "career" after it peaked. people thought she died (???) only for her to came out as kpop stan in late 2022. i thought it was common knowledge that she got herself a regular job some time after the tour with drew monson didn't happen 🤔

[@MikasRhetoric]

Oh I remember her (but had to google how that was 😭)

[@LittleMissLounge]

I knew she moved on, but I didn't know the specifics. I certainly never thought she died, holy shit. In any case, I hope she and DM are doing okay.

[@scarlettsativa2960]

I was pulled out of school by my mom a week before my junior year of high school ended. I’ve always been so resentful that I was never given that choice or opportunity. I’ve since gotten my GED, but I’ll never be able to walk my graduation. I have nothing to show for the first 16 years of my life. And I’ve honestly been lost ever since. It’s crazy that people want to drop out, and it’s crazy that people are so judgmental of people who have.

[@mahogara]

Honestly, I don't really get the influencers who make big money not considering getting at least some valid degree from real universities. Especially if they actually don't come from already well off family with big businesses and assets and huge connections. Now that they're earning enough money to pay for a high education, they should have taken that chance (just as a backup plan or just to have a degree). Because for a lot of people who can't get a higher education, it's a matter of money and not being able to afford it. If I was earning that much money at a young age, I wouldn't be so stressed about going to uni.

[@Sunshineattacks3]

Aw why did she do that if you don’t mind me asking.

[@gloriajewelart]

it is so unfair your mom made that decision FOR you when she is an Adult & your a CHILD LIKE 😢💔most mature adults understand school is obviously a necessary tool for us to succeed in this society so i’m sorry for that 💔 i wouldn’t call children/teenagers “crazy” for genuinely feeling like they want to drop out of school as someone who grew up undiagnosed but obviously autistic with adhd going to school actually made me internally scream like 99% of the time cuz i was not receiving accommodations bc no one knew my real thoughts cuz my subconscious thoughts would not come out how i want (cognitive dissonance) if any words would come out at alllllllllllll i was non verbal/non vocal like 22 years of my life well i could physically speak but i chose not to most of the time even by myself bc of the constant cognitive dissonance i was experiencing 💔

[@ginao6810]

You learned, achieved and acquired more in your first 16 years of life than a certificate from a school. You still have all that knowledge, and those skills. Sometimes we let arbitrary outside benchmarks define us, and while I don't want to shit on graduating from high school, there is more to a person than if they did or did not graduate high school. It was unfair to curtail your education. I am sure you developed a lot of life skills, and enormous personal resilience from your time at home that many kids graduating college don't have. Believe me, I hire these idiots, and some of them don't know how to mop a floor or change a rubbish bag. They are highly educated, well read, polished young people, but are effing useless at the most basic tasks. Frankly its embarrassing. I bet you know the value of a dollar better than these twits I hire. (I don't say this to justify taking you out of school, I say this to point out that you were still learning and developing skills, and that you don't have nothing to show for it). I spent most of my 20s lost, and it took a long time to get myself back on track, so I feel you. Just remember: you didn't FAIL high school, you were denied the opportunity. So don't carry yourself like it was a personal failure.

[@forgodsshake5387]

Listening to Jake Paul complaining about his teachers at 5:30 AM while getting ready to be again slammed about everything I am and do in my teacher training really hits different.😂

[@MikasRhetoric]

This was me in my internship last semester

[@user_314_andmore]

i'm honestly kinda glade so many of these influencers are showing the real reality of doing social media full time. it's not something that's talked about (at least not at rates like this) and it's a good way for others to make more informed choices.

[@MikasRhetoric]

I like it too

[@NotHardlyAlice]

Your eye makeup is beautiful, mermaid vibes x

[@MikasRhetoric]

Thank you!!! I like how it turned out!!

[@Dessamator]

Gabby Hannah is looking rather happy and healthy. I really hope she is taking better care of herself, whatever was going on with her before.

[@solarmoth4628]

We call them CVs in America although CV is usually more academic focused and a resume is more regular job focused.

[@perraterca]

me when i found out i had to have both: 🤯🤯🤯

[@kaleseeds1]

UK as well

[@croissant2882]

Im Poland its just CV although idk i what you mean by academic focused

[@perraterca]

@@croissant2882 a CV is usually longer and includes all your academic/research experience, publications and accomplishments, and you use the CV for applying for academic positions, tenure, grants etc. A resume is usually shorter and more for industry jobs, and would mostly just include work experience

[@BookGal-wx5ww]

@@croissant2882 It's schooling, every book, every job, every article published all of it. As long as it needs to be. A resume is short(1/2) pages with relevant experience to the specific job. So a theatre professor CV would list every show they directed, articles etc. And then the resume for like a audition would be relevant shows they're acted in and relevant trainings(like stage fighting or weird skills) and that's it. Typically universities are the only ones who want a CV right of the bat.

[@Adrian-qk9jh]

40:54 i hope ppl leave gabbi alone and she can continue her life as a instructor and such, i hope ppl dont try to ruin that

[@SeaBlue1976]

Thank u for uploading.its 5:45 a.m in Greece i suffer from chronic pain and severe anxiety and ur vid will help me relax Ur vids are so good and i cannot imagine how research u are making.Thank u.

[@MikasRhetoric]

🥹🥹🩷🩷🩷

[@erik7647]

I also have chronic pain and bad anxiety, her videos are so relaxing 😌 one of the only creators I'll rewatch videos from tbh

[@SeaBlue1976]

​@@erik7647sending virtual hugs,she is such a good creator #invissible_ilness

[@iNkdUpBeautii]

I'm confused, Jason Nash is 50 years old. What was he doing for work before he met David?

[@biteofdog]

He was an unsuccessful comedian from what I can find.

[@bobanoda]

I feel like tiktok influencers don’t understand that their “influence” is minimal compared to any other platform. The fact that anyone can have a video go viral and get a bunch of followers quick is exciting and you THINK that 100k or even 1m followers is huge! Which it would be….on a different platform. There’s soooo many tiktok accounts who will get 300k followers in a week after a viral vid but then you look at their account, no one actually cares about their content unfortunately. Then on top of that since there’s so many micro influencers with inflated numbers, sponsorships get ran through so much faster than when there were just sponsors on KZbin and Instagram. TikTok basically speed ran its life and has aged the quickest out of any social media platform imo (similar to vine honestly)

[@hubabaloop]

For sure

[@jadetaylormarchant6189]

This is why you should never quit your job lol

[@illise]

I remember the first "influencers/beauty" youtubers that I followed were Blair and Elle Fowler, I remember they got a ton of hate for doing ads and colabs mostly because they were "rich". With the years they stopped doing videos. Blair now works as a interior designer and Elle has a family

[@justwonder1404]

There's something deeply ironic in rejecting working for one company that will be contractually obligated to pay you in favor of gaining a platform *hoping* that multiple companies decide to pay you at some point. Who knew that such a reliable model won't work out for everyone.

[@MikasRhetoric]

It doesn’t matter if multiple platforms pay when the lack of engagement can make almost all platforms be essentially nothing. Also besides brand deals you make little to no money on other platforms. Canada doesn’t even have tiktok partner programs

[@justwonder1404]

@user-xr7ci8tf3e I don't know exactly how that industry works, but I thought they get cast first so they know they'll get at least something.

[@lilliputianhitcher3808]

living in america sounds like a constant nightmare. i’m a mature age uni student in australia and it is SO normal here to not go to uni straight out of high school and being a mature student is pretty common and there isn’t really any barriers for adults to go to university

[@MikasRhetoric]

Apparently in America there isn’t, Canada has the married student status that requires a little different work for the application

[@FormerlyKnown1]

😂 the one ex-influencer that was like, I was a victim of capitalism, so I'm going to get into marketing. Huh??

[@MikasRhetoric]

I mean if that’s what she can do. I don’t like marketing either but the market is so bad I can see why she did

[@FormerlyKnown1]

True, hopefully she can make a positive change. But she made it seem like she's being altruistic, with the whole "being apart of something bigger" it just isn't much of a pivot.

[@TheElf_Online]

I dropped out of high school, and I don’t regret it, however it was during covid when my public school was clueless, and I went straight into a college program that knew what they were doing with virtual classes, which allowed me to get a high school diploma. I then promptly dropped out of college in under a year of getting my hs diploma because I was struggling so much. (I recently found out my therapist thought I should have dropped out of college even earlier lmao. Academia is not for me.) There’s no shame in dropping out, but you do absolutely still need a HS diploma or GED for any sort of job. If traditional high school isn’t working for you, for the love of whatever you believe in, please look into getting a GED or into non-traditional diploma completion programs. If you don’t think you can afford them, there’s a lot that are specifically targeted at those in lower income brackets, as well as for people who are currently in the workforce.

[@anthropomorphisis]

omg your eye makeup is absolutely stunning

[@MikasRhetoric]

Thank you!! I took my time with my makeup today

[@morguepuppy]

1:52 in my experience / field in America we have resume and CV. resume is just a shortened list of your qualifications and experience, and your CV is a more in depth version that includes things like awards, ceremonies, galleries, speeches, ect.

[@lexaprofessional]

i never realized gabbi was from pennsylvania omg…her being in the same state as me feels sooo absurd

[@cynthiagonzalez8817]

I think Austin McBroom has to be faking going back to school. I go to the school he said he’s going to but like it doesn’t make sense class has started 4 weeks ago and we are on a quarter system meaning we are basically half way done w this course load. Also seems so odd and I don’t want to believe it. Random fact I actually saw Jason Nash at a concert a couple months ago which was so weird to me.

[@cynthiagonzalez8817]

Also I think Austin would lie about coming to this school bc it’s close to Beverly Hills and I think i saw he was living w one of the Bailey sisters so itd be easy for him to visit the school and make it seem he is actually attending.

[@inluvwurdad]

another banger, could watch you talk about paint dry i love you

[@MikasRhetoric]

🫶🫶🫶

[@immiwright7386]

No idea what shit you've been through, but be kind to yourself Mika! Take it easy and prioritise yourself when youre able. Rootin for you!!

[@cal6137]

the retirement homes are going to be empty in the future 😭 also I think in the US we use CV to display like our educational achievements/research/publications etc. so I only had to do one in college but a resume I've had since I started working. Like I needed a degree for my current job but only turned in my resume because they didn't care about the specifics of what I did in college, just that I finished 🙄

[@MikasRhetoric]

Damn..

[@Kellyeeeee]

I wonder how much of Jason Nash's insecurities have to do with age specifically. Entering a new job market for 50 year olds is notoriously crappy. These former/newly part time influencers are young enough to pivot into other categories. The other young members of the vlog squad mostly went to OF (not exactly an option for Jason). Then again, Jason has been working in entertainment in general for long enough to know that nothing lasts and that he needs a backup plan/savings for his kids. I also have to wonder why David has done absolutely nothing to help his former right hand man out. Based on how these lucrative snapchat deals work David could easily get Jason a good deal as well. IDK.

[@MikasRhetoric]

It’s all a huge mess

[@Kellyeeeee]

@@MikasRhetoric That's the truest statement of all and a great TLDR for my comment 😂

[@mariapaz6379]

Influencers cannot be popular forever, even with the examples of "success" like pewdiepie, smosh, or even logan paul, these people had to change and move on to the next thing. For the "flop influencers" its much harder, their image is tainted, their fans moved on. Its better to go back into "normal" life.

[@chillfactory9000]

And the key difference between them and the "flops" is that they actually like what they're doing, or atleast have some kind of passion or drive.

[@thegrimlooper]

I graduated high school and assisted others with doing so. However, i skipped on a lot of opportunities that I now regret. However again, I wasn’t diagnosed with ADHD until i was 23, after having kids. I experienced he symptoms but wasnt able to get help. It’s either out of pocket or seeing “professionals” that all conveniently say the same thing. Expensive insanity.

[@dandelion_official4812]

You got this Mika ❤

[@MikasRhetoric]

Thank you it’s been a really hard week 🥹🥹🩷

[@dandelion_official4812]

@@MikasRhetoric Yeah I saw some of your tweets. I really feel for you - huge financial hit you weren't expecting on top of the experience itself 🙄 Look after you, don't let it keep you down, and MAKE CUTE FROGS 👊 Hope the MamaMax lore-hole isn't making things worse 🥴

[@pieisawsome3]

I love how in the clip of your old vid you're using a customer service voice and now you use a normal one

[@MikasRhetoric]

I noticed that too 😭😭😭 my lower register really came through

[@ThemedNumber02]

This was an interesting video to delve into, and it wasn’t as nearly as depressing as I anticipated. It’s just great to understand that the internet doesn’t have to be the end all be all and there is life outside of this where people don’t give a fuck. 😢 I also went over to your Twitter and I am so so so sorry you had to deal with that. I know that situation was probably so alarming, I would’ve been shaking. I really hope the process of getting everything fixed and pressing charges isn’t too stressful.

[@scheibez]

what happened? it’s not on twt anymore

[@MikasRhetoric]

Someone vandalized my car in a blind rage and yelled at me etc

[@zombietrash416]

About the Jason Nash interview: When he gets asked why he doesnt get a job the other host pipes up and says "its people with regular jobs asking that because they cant do what Jasons doing and theyre jealous." That is such a typical out of touch influencer thing to say. They always think everyones jealous of them. No what i think the audience is getting at is if Jasons struggling with money so much why doesnt he get a job which would be a stable source of guaranteed money. And Jason saying that he "doesnt have any skills" and thats why hes not getting a job is bs and just an excuse to not have to get a regular job. Most customer service jobs dont require any specific skills or experience. Him being an "influencer" for so long would actually help him to get a job like that cuz it would show people skills, not being shy to interact with strangers and overall good social skills. But Jasons not gonna do that cuz he'd think that a regular job is beneath him and would be embarrassing but i'd wager that begging for gifts that are literally equal to a few cents on tiktok everyday for 8 hours is prob alot more humiliating.

[@NCC-1031-A]

Hi Mika! Loved this video - quite interesting to see an update on Gabbie Hanna, I'm glad she's doing well! I'm not on Twitter so I don't know what you've recently gone through but I'm sending you so much good energy and love! Pls don't be afraid to take some time for yourself if you need, your fans will understand :)

[@mollieh4426]

Loved your makeup look and the ending TikTok lolll I am really happy for Gabby, I agree with what you said. I think she should live her life, if apologies need to happen they can be private and to the person directly.

[@meganmilam619]

Been watching since 2021 and i always forget how much your video quality has increased since you started. Whenever you add in your old clips i’m always like “i don’t remember it being like that lol”. Nonetheless, the content of your videos has always been amazing and I’ve loved watching you grow as a creator! In college I took a few classes on rhetoric (and i loved them!) and your videos always remind me of those classes.

[@lyricamare6073]

What I find interesting is that they are complaining about things that most of us have already figured out and accepted with even less money than they are making. If you don’t have health insurance pray that you never get sick(I did this for 7 years), find a small cheap apartment to live in and accept it’s will not be aesthetically pleasing, no car will learn to walk, and sometimes you have to work 50-60 hours a week to just make ends meet(I also did this for a little while). I think we as every day people have learnt to accept all the bad and live with it in such a way that influencers are just not use to anymore. I’m sorry this is happening to them but I know they will figure it out and learn to be happy with the little, like we all have.

[@hannahmaria6887]

Brit here 👋🏻 we call them CV’s too ! Great video as always ❤

[@MikasRhetoric]

Good to know!! 😳

[@adeline.is.sleepy]

for reference, in the US: a résumé is a brief list of your experience and skills (usually tailored to a specific job you're applying for). a CV is your comprehensive list of ALL of your experience, skills, etc. from across the board.

[@courtney3540]

Just watching now. My immediate thought is Gabby Hanna seemed to have decided to step away vs losing relevancy. Excited to watch the video!! Edit: OK, I'm back. A lot of these flop influencers testimonies (lol) are tough to watch. Honestly, a lot of what they're lamenting about is just entering "real" adulthood. It makes me very grateful to be my age (37). I do not miss my 20s. Wow, those were rough times trying to figure it out. I hope that one girl might consider going back to get her GED for her own mental health.

[@MikasRhetoric]

GED or equivalents are a bit hard to come by here, you usually have to do to Adult Ed.

[@rockinsockmonkey8033]

Man this discussion is so relevant in such a specific way to my own life rn. My former high school best friend got an engineering degree in college, briefly worked for Lockheed Martin (🤢), and then quit to be a full time tik tok influencer in the horror movie fandom. My current friends and I are always discussing it and wondering how someone could make a consistent income for life off this, and I was starting to think I was crazy for thinking it was weird to quit engineering for this lmao.

[@leannewalker1422]

I’m in Scotland and we also use the term CV for “resume”. BTW you look stunning - your makeup is so pretty 😍

[@MikasRhetoric]

Oh cool! Thank you :)))

[@CoffeeLver13]

Not the boogie interview 😭😭

[@broadwaylover5384]

It honestly felt like a parody! "Flop" influencers trying to find work after being so controversial online makes me think of King Of The Hill when Hank said "Myspace just feels like a contest of who can make the biggest ass of themselves!"

[@elisa-beary]

Commentary in general, niches based on someone’s degree or credentials like lawyers, therapist/psychiatrists & podcasts where the videos are on her are the things in my feed personally getting the most views. A genre I don’t watch much of that still gets crazy views is true crime & there’s lifestyle KZbinrs that get tons of views which has take over the views that once went to solely beauty KZbinrs. Love this video & your paradigm for viewing & discussing things as usual. 💕 hang in there girl.

[@farmerbeebop]

seeing that tiktok of tana makes me so sad like…she is so young and her face is full of fillers, she looks ten time older. like how do people think this is attractive? she IS beautiful and she has been, but she’s ruining it by doing these things

[@MikasRhetoric]

I think she can do what she wants but to a degree I agree. I actually had trouble screenshotting her tiktok because the pauses made it look so odd because of the fillers

[@farmerbeebop]

@@MikasRhetoric yeah obviously i don’t care if she gets fillers, it’s her life. i just hope she got them because she wanted to for whatever reason, and not because she felt pressured or anything to do it. i remember when she first got her lips done, and then her nose. and then i kinda figured it would keep going. i don’t really care as long as she’s happy 🤷🏻‍♀️i just hope it’s real happiness

[@Princess.McBetch]

The one girl saying she had multiple streams of income (14:00) was wild to me because she listed.. being an influencer. On different platforms. That was all one big stream of income. It is all the same thing. Good for her, and these other people, who didn't cling desperately to the influencer life for their sole source of income. And especially going back to education! They are doing great things for thenselves

[@sabrinahohenberger8048]

I thought the SAME thing! Like no, that would be working a 9 to 5, doing social media, having real estate or other streams of passive income all at the same time

[@MikasRhetoric]

I have social media, then another job, as my ‘multiple streams’

[@zahramusa2570]

Me watching this while applying for the millionth job and knowing I won't hear back like usual. I swear the job market is so bad that if I was in one of their shoes I still wouldn't be able to even to get a job.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

That was really excellent. Good job, Squish Queen, as usual. But I think this one was exceptional even for you.

[@bibititaferraro]

Great video! This is a very interesting topic. I think these newer markets are very fast moving, especially social media. Everyday there's a new trend, a new main character of the week or whatever. Feels like people are constantly stepping over each other. Being an full time influencer is definitely not a sustainable career in the majority of cases.

[@absurdum-the-artist]

I’m 19 and this year I will be moving out, hopefully finding a job and enrolling in university. I have a lot of anxieties about this but knowing that I’m not someone like Jason Nash brings me a weird sense of comfort

[@sylvbell1460]

listening to this at my cubicle rn (i work nights, 11 pm - 7 am) great vid!

[@nicoeeek.7181]

what do you do?

[@sylvbell1460]

@@nicoeeek.7181 tv news

[@mooiioo8094]

you always seem to know what topics i want to hear about :3 ty for all the amazing content!

[@MikasRhetoric]

Thank you for watching!!!

[@tabithahoughton7709]

I really love the makeup look! The blue eyeshadow is beautiful! Sending good vibes.

[@toomuchsci-fi]

I also think the way videos are monetized affects it. Before adpocalypse there was at least a chance to make some money without having to work constantly or have a million followers. At this point it seems near impossible to be able to rely on social media without getting burnt out and exhausted.

[@MikasRhetoric]

This is also true, and as rates were so much higher. I could have probably supported myself at this size in 2015/16

[@private755]

The illusion that education is solely valuable if it is used for work is one of the tenants of capitalism I hate the most.

[@pandabugdiaries2384]

On the note of resume vs CV, though im sure someone else has already commented this by now. They are considered different things in English, resume is more widespread and generally only one page long whereas CV is more academic because it has space to list out any publications, research, etc.

[@wooogie672]

I don't use twitter at all, so idk what's been going on. But, I appreciate all the hard work you do for these videos and I genuinely wish you the best with whatever it is, Mika

[@soccerchic017]

The mature student thing might be unique to Canada. I have applied for college as a 22 year old and didn’t need anything extra as to when I applied at 18. Same if I were to apply now at 30. And there were gaps in my schooling.

[@MikasRhetoric]

I’m realizing that from the comments as well

[@CJAmara]

Yh, my mum went back to do her masters in her 50s and didn’t need much else (we live in the UK)

[@ayeeeerin4999]

As wise Michael Scott once said: “well well well, How the turn tables” Love you Mika!❤

[@LittleMissLounge]

I love how you sound much less world-weary in your 2021 video. 😂

[@hollyk7052]

I’ve had a really terrible week with my mental and physical health, hospital bills idk how I’ll pay & where I’ll be working now that I have a new diagnosis:/ I’m sorry you’ve been dealing w shit too

[@MIR_Rightgate]

ugh i loved frenemies... tuned in every week

[@IamMissPronounced]

I'm disabled and I was forced to drop out or university partly due to being stuck in poverty. If I had the wealth and privilege of the influencers who can simply drop everything to go back to school, I would do it too. I also understand that studying and finding work isn't equally easy for everyone.

[@JH-yj7kk]

Your makeup looks so pretty in this video!

[@Mila-Rosa]

I don't have Twitter so I have no idea what happened, but I hope you're doing better since the filming of this video. I'm sorry you're struggling and I hope things are easier for you soon! ❤

[@AuntieNise]

Love your vids and perspective. Hope you’re ok ❤

[@MikasRhetoric]

Thank you 🥹🩷🩷🩷

[@maddyc2412]

We call them CVs in New Zealand and Australia too, probably a lot of other countries too. It stands for Curriculum Vitae

[@minkakemi]

Imagine the people who are going through this but instead pf tiktok they tried only fans…. I can’t even imagine the struggle

[@lark613]

The Gabbie Hannah segment aged like milk

[@MikasRhetoric]

I unfortunately agree

[@winkwonk32]

“i got tired of capitalism which is why i decided to work in corporate america 😊” girl WHAT

[@LifeOfTheAngels]

Also I’ll never understand how some of these KZbinrs who gain huge notoriety don’t get pr teams but they got lawyers on deck, cus most of their downfall contributed to poor public image and scandals, a lawyer’s not going to protect from being out of public favor bc of things you did directly 😭

[@starshiiinebby]

The end bonus TikTok was *chefs kiss* 💋

[@amandamandamands]

I live in Australia and when I was growing up CV was used more often but these days they use resume (much easier to spell if you have to write both of them out in full). Was looing to confirm that I remembered that correctly and the site that I was looking at for that said that they were the same. Found an American site and for it CV and resume are 2 different things A resume is a one- to two-page document presenting key facts about your professional experience, educational background, and skills. A CV (Curriculum Vitae) is a longer document that details the whole course of your career. A resume is used for job search, and a CV-for academic purposes. Also found other sites that were saying that it depended on the country that you live in for which is used (it said that Canada was one that uses resume).

[@MikasRhetoric]

In Quebec it’s almost exclusively ‘CV’

[@carolinacampoy500]

I enjoy your videos so much. Greetings from Mexico!

[@witchingbrew3]

Thanks for being honest about not being fully online till 2017. I didn't grow up with the internet because I didn't have it. So it wasnt untill 2016/2017 where I paid for my own smartphone that I got online and watched KZbin

[@MCECRG]

Real quick about returning to college here, in jc's case he wouldnt really have any difficult barriers starting college at any community college in la. Tons of people here cc's are about 24 and up. He would probably have more issues being a bit infamous haha Oh and we dont have any names or status per say that would require him to specify himself as anything other than a college freshman just like a high school graduate

[@MikasRhetoric]

Interesting I thought the systems were similar enough that it was the same process

[@MCECRG]

@@MikasRhetoric okay this has been a thorn for me haha! And I think there is something comparable between the systems. Im not sure about colleges or uni in canada, but here there are no dejure barriers to college because of community colleges but there absolutely are for Universities and if he wanted to attend a university he would absolutely have to apply as a special status but we call them "transfer students" because the only way into a 4 year is through community college, and there, the most you can usually attain is an associates degree but not all people attend community college for a degree or transferring so it is quite open. Though, there are specified community colleges with bachelor programs because of how inaccessible University generally is. And as a transfer student from community college to uni, you definitely don't start as a freshman and are a junior.

[@greaneast]

loved the video💘💘 thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts

[@Danny-sd5vm]

Good video. These "influencers" really thought they'd be able to make all this money for basically doing nothing. Well, the good times are over and these washed up influencers have no idea what to do next.

[@Ypsilion]

I think we are starting to see the consequences of what happens to influencers after they get burned out and lose relevancy. What I realized is that these "flop influencers" are mostly the first/second wave of influencers. They are "flopping" or quitting, and it's starting to show what's behind all the PR packages, influencer events, and big LA homes. It was very shiny at the beginning, only seeing the positives, but making them drop high school, college, or normal corporate jobs. Most of them didn't know how to diversify and grow their channels, which made them stagnant and finally burn out and/or lose relevancy.

[@ciaociara]

i laughed when jason said he wanted to start a tv show. idk why but i just don’t see him succeeding in a director’s role. he seems like the old guy who only talks about his prime years.

[@MikasRhetoric]

I feel like it would be a corny teen comedy type deal

[@cocofaerie]

Eye makeup slayed so hard

[@tashibalampkin8555]

Good for Gabbie for improving herself. A real life example that people can change.😊

[@animelady001]

On one hand, you have influencers who figured out that specific career path wasn't fulfilling. More or less that they had other options. Meanwhile, you have controversial influencers whose own actions led them to this point in their lives. I feel like with any career, a backup plan is needed. Or at least considered. Not all things work out the way you want them to, or make you happy in the pursuit.

[@LifeOfTheAngels]

a lot of influencer longevity is purely based on luck anyway, you would have to be EXTREMELY lucky if you’re trying to make influencing/youtube a full time career, its literally a freelance career and in most freelance careers you’re not guaranteed a consistent stream of income no matter how long you’ve been doing it, it’s just smarter to have a fail safe no matter what, like simplynailogical has been doing KZbin for a long time and she still works a government job despite having a multi million dollar business, but some of these ppl set themselves up for failure (the gabbie hannas and Jason nashes) bc they’re narcissistic weirdos

[@MikasRhetoric]

That’s why I’m trying to get a job with my degree despite still growing

[@CJAmara]

Simplynailogical is a very good example. I also think having a “regular job” keeps you grounded, allows you to maintain perspective and ultimately it gives you security that influencing cannot.

[@bloodmoon_lit]

looooveeee this makeup look!

[@Adrian-qk9jh]

7:07 don't community colleges take you without a HS diploma then you take those credits from the CC to a 4 year??

[@MikasRhetoric]

We don’t have the same system here for mature students, I didn’t realize they were different because applications in the US vs. CAD were very similar

[@Adrian-qk9jh]

​@MikasRhetoric ooooooh alrighty, I barely understand the US college system (I just did CC and stopped there) so I'm out of the loop for other places Thanks for the info 🙏💕

[@LifeOfTheAngels]

Also some of the things these influencers were known for just aren’t relevant anymore, some are able to make it work and some aren’t especially if it’s something that’s gone out of style, like gaming, commentary on niche topics, and book content are in, and society has simply evolved past the viner, content house, hyper edited, vlog style content; beauty is about to become less relevant in a few years bc of how problematic the space has become (and capitalism), it’s just a sign of the times constantly evolving and shifting interests

[@TheYasmineFlower]

I would prefer to see Gabbie apologize, simply because of how viciously she treated so many people. But if she were to apologize to those people privately, I think that would also be fine. I'm glad that she seems to be doing better, I just wish she would have taken accountability for her actions. But maybe that will come in time, who knows. But I could do without the people who defend her and her actions all the time.

[@DragicaOfficial]

sending the biggest hug ❤️❤️❤️

[@ilonam6820]

I just want to say, that I really appreciate the quality of your videos. I could listen to you talk about anything!

[@MikasRhetoric]

I appreciate that thank you 🩷🩷🩷

[@takeyat8840]

42:35 if she truly retired from being a public figure, I don’t think she *has to* come out and apologize. At this point she’s nodody to us, just a regular person that doesn’t owe strangers anything. If that makes sense.

[@RauniPaigeO]

I think we also have to recognize that the younger influencers (like ones about to be 20) are the first young teens to have widespread access to a potentially high paying job. When i was 14 or 15, KZbin was just starting to pay people. The only jobs I could get were being a cashier, making minimum wage. Now kids can make thousands at 16, 17, 18 to the point they could support themselves. I really think the pandemic made online spaces so saturated that the value of influencing has dropped significantly. Which means influencers really are just making minimum wage except the ones turning 20 are the ones who don't have much to fall back on. At least some of the older ones who were around before influencing and stumbled upon fame either have job experience or education. Its really sad that influencing kind of bolstered a generation of devaluing education in combo with the crippling prices of higher ed in America. Tldr: a combo of unfortunate circumstances has led to young influencers having little job opportunities outside of social media

[@MikasRhetoric]

Yes this is also true! Like I have no idea how I would have managed money at that age

[@mellybobelly369]

I think it's worth discussing how already having money (and one step further, having money to BURN) helps a lot with becoming a successful influencer. Alix Earle comes to mind, and that's no shade to her! She has clearly found her niche and is savvy with her content strategies, but her family being loaded absolutely helped her success... at least indirectly. Like I'm sure she never had to worry about rent or using her bf's car like that one failed influencer mentioned.

[@debbir1575]

I don’t have twitter but hope you’re okay. If you need anything we can help with, please let us know. As someone a bit older than Jason Nash, I can’t imagine starting a new career now.