Gabriel Agreste⎮Miraculous Ladybug Season 4 Review

[@snatchingcareers4681]

Wouldn’t be shocked if Marinette’s entire class had money and bets running on if Adrienette would get together against the whole school saying they won’t

[@joaocisne556]

nathanael and marc are the writter and artist for a comic book that sell a lot, juleka's dad is a rock star, among other things

[@dAvrilthebear]

LOL

[@dragonempress8367]

@mynameisnoname don't carrrrre🎶

[@Sean-wv7wl]

I swear Marinette in this episode was a literal afterthought. Since the whole Marinette sub plot goes nowhere, she could be completely omitted from the episode and the episode could have the exact same depth and significance.

[@mirror1643]

they could of had even pacing if not for her

[@halllloooooooooo356]

AND it would be a great aprotunite [ I murdered that] to give Emily some MUCH needed attention, insted of marinette, have Emily backstory!

[@Spiral96359]

If Marinette wasn't in this episode and just there for the fight this episode would be 100X better change my mind

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

I agree!

[@ArtisticAlly123]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian your user has my literal favorite characters

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@ArtisticAlly123 Oh. Awesome!

[@Spiral96359]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian oh you again good to see you.

[@Spiral96359]

just to be clear I don't hate Mari just this show can really be a lot better if it can just take some of the spotlight off Marinette and put it on Adrian or Felix or god forbid Chole maybe the show would be better but I guess complaining that a bad show is bad really dose make me the fool but most of the fanbase and fanfiction keeps me hooked

[@firstaid223]

I'm glad more people realise that Gabriel was probably just using rich person threats rather than Sentimonster lingo

[@yanoizikawa770]

Yeah that's what I thought too. Cause otherwise it wouldn't have made sense cause he was denying that he was shadowmoth. Also I would've been disappointed if Felix was a sentimonster. We didn't get a chance to be invested into his character and get to know him more.

[@cellinemartins]

Ikr, first time I heard him say that I automatically thought "oh shit is he gonna "get rid" of him??"

[@roxirock5455]

Yea,probablly,but its just mean for the creator to give false hopes to fans

[@wh0kn0ws24]

Yeah I feel as if people took that WAY too literally

[@anjieeee]

that’s what I thought too but since they were giving hints about the sentimonster thing in general, I thought it was implying felix could be a sentimonster too but after this video, i’m leaning more gabriel just using his power and influence to ruin his family

[@superflutterfly7894]

Tbh, I'd love to watch an entire show that just had to do with the conflict and drama between the Agreste & Graham de Vanily family, and the rings.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Agreed. And we still need flashbacks of Emilie awake and talking!

[@exoticeditz8863]

and we need more lore too!! i wanna know where the miraculous came from and more about the guardian temple. it so tiring how the focus is just marinette every episode, this show had so much potential gosh

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@exoticeditz8863 Agreed!

[@superflutterfly7894]

@@exoticeditz8863 I completely agree. There’s so much potential in other characters and their arcs.

[@superflutterfly7894]

@@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian - YES PLEASE 👏

[@Spiral96359]

OK that Gabriel rant you did was funnier then the whole season and hopeful Felix becomes a recurring anti-hero as he was sick in the episode, Kagami was cool and R.I.P Chole's character, again

[@prettyadore1838]

R.I.P to adrian too cause we barely see him anyway

[@simoneghia6532]

u summed it up pretty nicely and kinda funnily but agreed XD

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

@@prettyadore1838 R.I.P to the blonde characters. Here’s hoping Felix gets spared from the curse.

[@crossfire34]

@@Cheetahgirl_Studios This is Miraculous we're talking about. Felix is only currently smart because the show needs him to be. If he becomes Hawk Moth he'll become as braindead and incompetent as the current one.

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

@Caleb Hopkins I would count her. Her normal hair colour is blonde. .... Wait-

[@nagassv5526]

Astric really needs to stop the marrinate being a creepy stalker thing in every episode. I loved the episode but i think it would be better without marrinate breaking into the agreste mansion

[@Goovdluck687]

@@NG-xg8wd and... that's not marinette problem to fix.

[@emanuelbaigorria3932]

the truth is that this series would be 100 times better, if they left aside the ships and focused on the plot, there is much that they have not explained, the remaining power ups, the fusions, the missing miraculous , the twin rings, what happened to emily, etc, but no... the important thing is to do another episode of marinett chasing adrian like a crazy stalker.

[@jordantrainor2617]

Marinette isn't a "creepy stalker" in EVERY episode (maybe MOST but not ALL), and she wasn't being one here. Adrien wasn't the reason she snuck into the mansion; it was to prevent Chloe from showing Gabriel a video of what Marinette and friends said about him (Gabriel). And in case you weren't paying attention (which you likely weren't), Marinette hardly acknowledged Adrien AT ALL in this episode because she was more focused on Chloe. There's more to Marinette's character than just her "obsession" with Adrien, which most of you seem ignorant about.

[@Dred0n]

@@jordantrainor2617 that's not the point we don't need an episode where it's all about mari doing something weird. In the episode is was all of her friends trying to find a way for mari to be with adrien we don't need that. You know what we need more proper story line where the plot is interesting.

[@jordantrainor2617]

@@Dred0n Okay, did you read my comment from start to finish? (I doubt it.) MY point was that lately, a lot of people seem to view literally everything Marinette does--even when it has NOTHING to do with Adrien--automatically makes her a creep/bad person, which isn't even close to being true. Now don't misunderstand me; I have no problem with people disliking Mari because I admit that as much as I like her, I'm aware of her problems (which are really not as bad as they claim). But what annoys me is that a lot of people seem to now believe that Marinette's feelings--or "obsession"--with Adrien has become her ONLY character trait, while totally ignoring the other stuff about her (which are more good than bad). Plus, in case any of you haven't realized, Marinette's feelings for Adrien has been toned down this season compared to the previous ones (mostly Season 3), and she is more focused on being the new guardian of the Miraculous than anything else.

[@turbok.o.3324]

Felix is like the smartest person in this show even smarter than ladybug

[@tinadothuytrang9199]

No, he's smarter than Paris😂

[@jaypalkamble5137]

@@tinadothuytrang9199 yeah😂

[@janusgreenway5137]

@@tinadothuytrang9199 the whole dang city.

[@jakirhossain9452]

100%Agreed!!!!

[@hunterrousseau3770]

That is actually why when he founds out Gabriel stopped terrorizing and akumatizing people he's gonna suspect Adrien and Marinette are Cat Noir and Ladybug and get Lila to join him to take them down and bring his dad back with their miraculouses

[@KavinCatastrophe]

Natalie: Two Gabriels in My Bedroom. If I'm Dreaming Don't wake Me Up.

[@hunterrousseau3770]

Ha ha good one

[@othelloedmond7668]

So no one else is gonna talk about how marinette’s friends were totally fine with her breaking into her friend’s house. Girl says she doesn’t like cat noir but let’s see adrien react to this side if you hun

[@strawberrychocolate9383]

Yep, Marinette's class is just filled with enablers.

[@oui2443]

Not only that but this is your rich friend with tons of high level security. What friend wouldn't see what a bad idea it is and how she's bound to get caught. But ofc this is Marinette wearing so much plot armour nothing can go wrong

[@strawberrychocolate9383]

@@oui2443 Marinette could have even asked Kagami for help to get the video away from Chloe.

[@oui2443]

@@strawberrychocolate9383 fr they are really good friends and Kagami would defo back Marinette up

[@Oriaks]

It's at least third time Marinette did this, actually.

[@fluffycat2555]

Gabe still be playing checkers while Felix be at 4D chess

[@hunterrousseau3770]

Amen to that, brother

[@niichimera1344]

This episode made me like Felix. Good to finally see someone with some more braincells. Also his 'interaction' with Kagami was awesome. looking forward to see more of those two.

[@nickifill1772]

I agery I ilke felix in my appeine he the only good thing about this trash episode

[@ultear_yunan]

now this aged well what do you think of them now?

[@niichimera1344]

@@ultear_yunan no idea, I'm pretty late with the show 😄 last episode I watched was kwami's choice i think

[@ajtriforcegamerofhyrule8538]

Marinette's writing is getting worse by the second thought thomas said she'd get over her crush but like damn if i were a writer I'd have it be Marinette being invited by Adrien to his house for whatever gathering it be and it could helped more clues that "Hey Gabriel is suspicious" instead we got "Chloe took this blah blah i need a disguise to break into my crush who doesn't even love me's home" how lame

[@roxirock5455]

Yup,i want to love Mari,i do and i get how girls can be like that some times,but they have been draging it to much and for to long,like,there are limits and Mari keeps breaking them for like 4 sesons

[@ajtriforcegamerofhyrule8538]

I'm tempted to rewrite the whole seasons

[@oui2443]

This is just grown ass men trying to write about a girls middle school crush but wtf is this. Marinette has mentioned so many times "its about time I move on" then she pulls out her timetable with every place Adrien is going to be and follows him around. They got rid of development for Cat Noir and Chloe already but at least have some for our main protagonist. She's been pretty much the same from season 1.

[@strawberrychocolate9383]

@@Unknownperson14744 I don't think she is supposed to have social anxiety, she can speak normally to everyone else. It would've made more sense if she had social anxiety, but the only person canon Mari can't talk to (for some unknown weird reason) is Adrien. She could talk to Luka, why can't she talk to Adrien? What is the difference?

[@strawberrychocolate9383]

@@Unknownperson14744 Yeah, it's probably fear of rejection and the fact that Mari likes to jump to the worst case scenario's.

[@nc375]

honestly felix is such a refreshing character as he really is perhaps the only character that isn't dumb compared to the rest of the population. And that says a lot.

[@crossfire34]

It really doesn't say anything. He's only smart because the story needs him to be. If he becomes Hawk Moth like people think he'll just start acting as dumb as everyone else. And we know he will because we've seen the future where Hank Moth still hasn't won.

[@rogue7043]

Chloe's a good friend for wanting to protect her friend and inform his dad of Marinette's stalkerish behavior and plans to break into his house

[@Oriaks]

Not just Marinette, her whole freaking class is in on it now. I really start to agree with Lila about them.

[@fresnelbiteu5052]

@@Oriaks exactly.

[@marygraceoyangorin8918]

Yess! They literally made chloe "eViL" by having a common sense and informing Gabriel agreste about his son's stalker

[@0THE.FOOL..]

The problem is that she didn't want so show the video because of that, she wanted to show it to him because she just wanted Marinette to get in trouble. She says that herself in the episode. So she isn't a good friend, she's the opposite of that.

[@virnalassiter382]

Yeah I hate to listen to her but yeah seeing how Marinette's "friends" are beatraing her by believing Lila over her on every word out of her mouth they should be the people she rejects not cat noir

[@Anonomius0]

I do actually love the interaction between felix and mr agreste. and then you remember that he was his original son....

[@giorgosgiorgos2374]

Okay, you might confuse some with this comment. I think it's more accurate to say that his character was originally going to take Adrien's role as his son. P.S. If it's on purpose though, tell me to delete this comment 😅

[@Owudukan]

What if Felix can remaber miracoluos pv He was the original chat noir Why woud he do that with the chaes ? He knowes plagg is there He wants to mess with him Felix wanted often to switch places with Adrian why ? So he has it easer to get the cat miracoluos Maby he thinks if a kiss from Lb is abel to remove his ring/ power of destruction he can get it back with a kiss In strik back he tells adrian about his freedom felix knowes what is going on he actzepts that he isn't chat noir anymore Maby felix wished for a change maby felix wasn't precise enougth And in gabriel Agrest he checks if he is still hawk moth For the change that he gets the dog miracoluos woud be a change Maby he will play the villan (like itachi to sasuke) and keep an eye on lila That's from a friend i told sbout my theory : What if plagg remabers a bit of the "old world(miracoluos pv)" It woud ad to the character when felix used to call him stinky sock maby plagg thinks Adran= old felix or he just likes Adrien very much

[@NerdyMagic]

I think any chances of Chloe having a redemption ark was gone the moment that they introduced Zoe. But Yeah the way the teaser for the episode looked, i thought this episode would have been a bit more than what it was. Guess we just need to wait for more episodes to find out more about Felix.

[@SnowyExlipse]

Compared to other Parisians, Felix is a pure *genius*

[@KavinCatastrophe]

To be Fair Felix is the only person to see the Peacock Miraculous in Gabriel possession.

[@dangerbuffrocky]

@@KavinCatastrophe and Félix is British.

[@venicegarcia6479]

OMG SO TRUEE! Actually after this episode, Felix became my official favorite character in the show

[@venicegarcia6479]

@@dangerbuffrocky Wait really?! Omg

[@janusgreenway5137]

And what's sad is that in real life,he's got the brain of an average teen.

[@KavinCatastrophe]

Smarty Pants: I love this Season has given a Lot Of Development for some Minor Characters. (Lila Crys In the Background) Lila: I was a Big Deal Once.😢

[@jaypalkamble5137]

Don't forget chole

[@vladimir3905]

I think the last scene with Felix and Gabriel was all an act. Gabriel gave another explanation as to why he was akumatized and said that the motive was the ring. That's why he returned the fake one to Félix, to show everyone there that everything was all righ.

[@borikidor]

Couldn't we just remove everything with Marinettes plan and focus on adriens relationship with Felix or Kagami and the rest of his family? For ONCE

[@KavinCatastrophe]

Unfortunately They are going the Steven Universe route. Every Episode must Have Steven in it for it to Happen.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@KavinCatastrophe Oh sweet Celestia. Help us!

[@dangerbuffrocky]

@@KavinCatastrophe oh no-

[@michaelgoat6132]

@@KavinCatastrophe Except Steven Universe was ACTUALLY a good show imo.

[@cherilynsarts8845]

The main character always have yo be related to almost everything and it kinda bugs me sometimes.

[@cartooncottage2024]

New theory: Felix was Gabriel's original son, but he was given away to Amelie because she could not have a child, and Gabriel.wanted a son who was more obedient. Adrien replaced him as Gabriel's son.

[@nohandleisavailable1]

Then why would Gabriel like a sentimonster more than his real son even if they meet like once a year. He also kind of hates Felix.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

That makes so much sense. I believed the emelie was a surrogate theory so this kind of goes with that.

[@hera8756]

I like this theory but gabriel although a shit parent really does seem to care about Adrien especially his safety So why would he care so much for a sentimonster

[@kikiv7119]

no i think that gabe cheated on his wife with amelie and got twins and then he kept one and she kept one and then emile found out then got into a coma and that explains why adrien and felix looks the same

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

@@hera8756 if Gabriel cared about his son’s safety, why on earth would he turn him into cat blanc or ephermal or have him jump off a building to prove a point? The only person he has shown remorse over is Natalie. Of course I ship them, but still. I do not think Gabriel cares about Adrien or Felix.

[@Allthingsasian]

Episode: called Gabriel Agreste Proceeds to give Felix development instead of the main Antagonist and whom the episode is named after, which is very needed after his character was shafted on multiple occasions My opinion but it wouldn’t be any harm to give Gabriel some character but nah 🤷‍♀️

[@TheHICking]

The episode name is because Gabriel creates a sentimonster called Gabriel

[@Oriaks]

Well, previously aired episode was called Ephemeral, yet he was in episode for less than a minute.

[@dangerbuffrocky]

@@Oriaks you could say that his existence was Ephemeral.

[@bluefirelost4650]

If theres one good thing abt this episode, it is the fact that felix is smart. He knows who is hawkmoth and can resist an akuma just like alya and chloe. I wish hawkmoth had his intelligence along with the other parisians Ngl, I wish marinette got punished for breaking into the agreste house. She is back to her old self and her enabling friends helped her. Im disappointed how zoe was alright with this plan. She should know better

[@dangerbuffrocky]

Tbf, Zoé is younger than the rest of them.

[@leonardofarias8843]

Marinette tried to prevent Chloe from humiliating her

[@bluefirelost4650]

@@leonardofarias8843 ur right but, it does not excuse marinette into breaking a person's house. She could have told her hw adviser chloe was gonna humiliate her. There's a reason why teachers exists.

[@GALAXIASstar]

But I can't let the Felix kagami scene go unnoticed (I don't ship them tho) it's like "I don't know why but, I have a bad feeling about u" vibe (like both of them were saying that to each other) it's even hilarious as they say literally nothing and say everything 😂

[@Ryan-q2f]

We’ll that scene aged like fine wine

[@philippemaurice8782]

This show REALLY doesn't know what to do with Chloe at this point. She's too petty and selfish to be a hero, yet too dumb and incompetent to be a villain.

[@juliaboskamp9666]

one of the easiest solutions is to make her an antie hero

[@andrzejaki540]

@@juliaboskamp9666 Asstruck wont let that happen sadly :(

[@craigpeoples9883]

@Caleb HopkinsChole is definitely not a hero but is it fair to say she's worse than Shadow moth this guy antagonizes two teenagers while hording butterflies and in Cat Blanc he beat the crap out of him then chooses to use him as a weapon

[@craigpeoples9883]

@Caleb HopkinsChole couldn't of damaged it it she was a toddler when that happened

[@YuriPlisetskyKinnie]

I’m glad you constantly acknowledge how weird it actually is that Gabriel has his WIFE’S CORPSE IN THE BASEMENT because I like never see anyone address it, it’s so weird, and why does no one talk about it Edit: Chloe does what? Out of the ceiling? Villain monologues? Jeez Edit: 4:54 why is she the only one not in black tie attire

[@tygonitdwaplusy5595]

I know I'm a bit late to the party but the smile in 10:14 I interpret as Felix showing some kind of compassion. Up to this moment we only saw him smile so honestly in interactions with his mother, which means he must value family connections and love under this shell of coldness, calculation and deception. This is why despite not being close to Gabriel and even suspecting him of being Hawkmoth, when he saw the portrait, an obvious sign of love, he couldn't help but smile, because he found in Gabriel some humanity that he possessed as well. But hey, it's just a theory A gaMe tHeorY.

[@soh0d0lls_]

At this point, I’m only watching this show for the true main characters…. Felix, Luca and Kagami

[@lwaj6552]

Same

[@Villagerwarrior]

Great.. now I can't stop imagining those 3 being an awesome trio.. lol

[@HermitPurple]

Definitely me

[@TravisaInc]

@@HermitPurple Zoe x Adrien

[@Dred0n]

true

[@KavinCatastrophe]

Ever Since this Episode Came out people have been Saying How Smart Felix is for finding out Who Shadowmoth is and im like "He the Only Person in the world to see Gabriel Peacock Miraculous". It doesn't take a Genius to think that hey this Villain uses the Peacock Miraculous and Gabriel has A Peacock brooch."

[@SpaceDetectiveTravis]

Kinda tells you how rare it is someone on the show uses common sense

[@roxirock5455]

Well to be faire,in the original colector episode,PLAGG SAW IT IN THE COMPARTIMENT BEHINED THE PORTRET AND STILL DIDNT RECONIZE IT!!!!!

[@oui2443]

I agree but all his side plots with the rings and leaving a tear in his trousers were way smarter than any of the other characters

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

@@roxirock5455 The peacock miraculous was damaged at the time.

[@xxqueenmiraculous2171]

He still saw it

[@serenamalin9885]

Okay so here is me trying to grab straws and give a theory: Imagine if the same way in the episode we’re juleka’s parents got akumatized and the object got broken that Emily had an initial object in which the hammock was placed and that the object ended up being forged in to rings that’ll explain how a sentimonster could have 2 people controlling them( since they both have the object) but it still puts a lot of holes like why would Gabriel be able to make Felix disappear but not force him to give him the ring back?

[@serenamalin9885]

So IF he is a sentimonster having the rings would be a miror to Adrien by literally taking his freedom in hand !

[@janusgreenway5137]

True. That would turn into stupid writing that contradicts itself.

[@emanuelbaigorria3932]

the problem is that you can't create more than one feeling at a time.

[@mattblaster2378]

It makes sense if his mother is the sentimonster

[@ANIGLOS]

There are more plot holes: - If Felix is a sentimonster then he should not resist akuma at all - If Adrien is a Sentimonster then Gabriel should have had a (magical) "view" of his son and if he did he would have known who Chat Noir was from the beginning (the series also showed many times that Adrien ran away from home; Gabriel could have then used the ring and summoned him home - instead he sent workers)

[@local7056]

Marinette literally tried to hurt Chloè by throwing a heavy box at her without her knowing, what an amazing ladybug she is😍!

[@matthewphillips-betts2478]

As much as a enjoy seeing Felix and Gabriel being developed, it still bothers me on marionette's half considering she and the whole go along this creepy and crummy plan for marinette to woo Adrien (out of a parallel of some kids fairy tale) and Chloe's is made to look like a bad guy and she was just trying to tell them off. I don't know, it just felt like a. messy plot point which made the class act derange 4 year olds.

[@ivetterodriguez1994]

I think the whole class is meant to sound really naive. Especially with that comic. Including Chloe. She just wanted Adrien for herself. She wasn't really telling them off or defending Adrien. She was trying to keep it from possibly happening.

[@breyerhorsestudios2964]

it wasn't to woo Adrien per say, but just to finally get the courage to say that she likes him. It's been a long time and she **still** hasn't done it. And the change of plan after Chloe threatened to expose her was actually so that Chloe wouldn't ruin the lives of Adrien and Marinette (in their eyes anyway, let's be honest here nothing would've happened). Unnecessary? Oh definitely, but the intention was good.

[@KarahKat]

its funny watching this after knowing about all the shit that goes down in season 5, and if you haven't seen s5 yet, oh bot shit goes down

[@Anonomius0]

11:57 wait a minute, I thought only the person who created the sentimonster can release them from existence? And as far as we know, only emilie used the peacock.

[@Anthyrion]

Well, Gabriel is now the holder of the Peacock Miraculous. So the power could've been diverted to him so he could control every Sentimonster, created with the Peacock Miraculous.

[@Anonomius0]

@@Anthyrion It's just for one thing, we know that even someone different from a previous owner of the peacock miraculous will have more difficulty controlling that sentimonster, I'm also thinking of what shadowmoth told pegabug "You're forgetting something, pegabug, I created him!" before snapping his fingers and releasing him from existence.

[@Anthyrion]

@@Anonomius0 Yeah, i think the biggest problem is: Fans, who are older as 5, maybe interpret to much into the scenes. I also think the producers aren't as smart as some fans or other show runners, which place something in the show, that would first later be relevant. It's somehow sad, that they made Lila disappear and made Chloe from a annoying brat to a criminal (when i look upon how she treats Sabrina)

[@Anonomius0]

@@Anthyrion Sigh, Star Vs had the same problem, or maybe people just expected too much from that show, like they introduce this one scene with a mural that you'd think was gonna be important, but was never brought up again despite part of the picture showing up again connected to another character for some reason. You thought it was building up to something before realising they were just making it up as they go. I think I just expected it to be like Gravity falls or steven universe, shows that left clues throughout and rewarded you for spotting them.

[@Anthyrion]

@@Anonomius0 Ok i never watched any of that series^^ But most of the time, the show (especially Gabriel as Hawk/Shadow Moth) remembers me on some of the old 80's Cartoons like He-Man. In Ladybug, the Heros don't know the hideout of the villain, but most of the time it follows the same pattern. The bad guy comes up with a evil plan, executes it by manipulating someone to do evil things and in the end, it's all undone and Gabriel shaking his hands in the air like Skeletor and mumbles something like "I'll get you next time, Ladybug!". And while it was nice during the first two seasons or so, it's becoming more and more annyoing. Especially because Felix seems to be the most intelligent character in this series... a 14 years old boy outsmarts a intelligent grown man. I hope for the next season that the writing will improve.

[@kitkatvonsweetz7198]

I really don't know why the writers are playing Marinette off as some kind of stalker. Like what's the point? It's not even love anymore, straight up obsessiveness. Do the writers think its funny? Tbh, it's just really really uncomfortable. And what's up with her friends being on board with this? Even Adrien isn't even that obsessive over ladybug. (This is strictly my opinion. If you disagree, it is completely fine)

[@Oriaks]

Considering that show consistently fails to call her out for her behavior, i think that writers (or at least Astruc) genuinely don't see anything wrong with it.

[@craigpeoples9883]

If she put this much effort into tracking down Shadow moth she and the others would of taken him down by now

[@bdariamihaela]

Chloe got a lot of development in season 2, but in the end of season 3 they threw it all in the garbage and now she is back to the mean bully we known

[@gavinwedgeman7905]

He can snap regardless of where the amok is but it is weird that he then denies being the peacock holder

[@KavinCatastrophe]

From What i Heard he Cant Actually do that with Sentimonster he didn't create. He Need to know where the Amok is First. But i could be wrong.

[@duusu2608]

@@KavinCatastrophe But in 'Feast' Mayura frightned Feast with destroying it, even if id she didn't create him. Gabriel said that she can destroy it or being it back to life and she answered that she can't control it, because she doesn't possess the amok. Also Gabriel destroys Optygami when his Plan failed, but Nathalie created him.

[@duusu2608]

@@KavinCatastrophe But in 'Feast' Mayura frightned Feast with destroying it, even if id she didn't create him. Gabriel said that she can destroy it or being it back to life and she answered that she can't control it, because she doesn't possess the amok. Also Gabriel destroys Optygami when his Plan failed, but Nathalie created him.

[@KavinCatastrophe]

@@duusu2608 She Can Remove the Amok that was Inside Feast this Destroying it but She Can't Destroy it Unless she Knows Where the Amok Is. And Optigami Gabriel Knows Exactly Where the The Amok. But once Again im just Speculating.

[@duusu2608]

@@KavinCatastrophe Yeah that makes sence.

[@clarahyatt5360]

felix is my favorite by far and i hope we get more of him in the future

[@kavithajegan6151]

Gabriel: I will ruin your life Me: your Lila is showing

[@darkron288]

I hated how marionte seem to have taken a good chunk of the episode, remove her and you have a much more intersting story.... but noooo we can't do that because its a show for girls and we must have our female protignist on screen every episode... FFS

[@animationsage]

This isn't a show for girls and obviously Marinette has to be in it, she is a main character

[@iamjustaweirdo7364]

@@animationsage According to the creator himself this is a girl's show and any criticism against Marinette is sexist. His words not mine. Smarty pants kind of made a video about it.

[@Goovdluck687]

Exactly. I'm tired of seeing Marinette some times.

[@darkron288]

@@animationsage Yeah no, even shows like steven universe who's name is the title character had a few episode where steven didn't even appear in them, you can have the odd episode where the main character iis not in it

[@iamjustaweirdo7364]

@@darkron288 Ikr! And Marinette isn't supposed the main character! Its Miraculous the tales of Ladybug AND cat noir. Every single plot point for some reason has to go to marinette. Oh hey Lila stole the book from Adrein? Oh wait no forget giving adrein any smarts not like he is the son of the main villain or anything let's give the book to ladybug and have her suspect Gabriel Agreste. Adrein found it and it ended up in Marinette's hand. It's always marinette for shiz sake its taken 4 season for Adrein to get any sort of character development at the cost of cat noir getting doubled down.

[@turbok.o.3324]

I loved it it had actual meaning and felix knows hes shadowmoth 100%

[@hunterrousseau3770]

Me too, that's why I think he'll become the future Hawk Moth later on. And try to bring his dad back when he finds out how important the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous are

[@Charles-ml5sx]

The agrests should have their own spin off series, diving into felix character more and the rings, adrien ( cat noir) looking for who hawkmoth is and the rich kids: kagami, Adrian, chloe, layla, felix and maybe... just maybe.. zoe hanging out (but maybe not her cause she would just let marinette know) Miraculous tales of the agrestes

[@prettyadore1838]

I'd love to see that but let's be honest if miraculous is going to have a spin off it most likely going to be of marinette

[@fantasan8540]

It doesn't even have to be a spinoff. They can just dedicate two episodes of just focusing on the agreste family history and dynamics. I'm glad they're sowing some seeds for further episodes, but there really is so much left unexplained. My only hope is that they reveal everything by the end of season 5 (or at least, mostly everything). Because the end of season 5 will be the end of "the Gabriel Agreste arc". Season 6 will likely be the new villains and some other remaining plot points, like LadyNoir relationship status, their superhero identities, and maybe Marinette akumatized?

[@shesjustafrienduhhafriend8655]

Ok but how did Felix become one of my fave characters from just one ep like we stan

[@KavinCatastrophe]

(How Felix and Gabriel conversation should have gone) Gabriel: Not Only Did you Steal from Me but you Have THE BALLS TO COME BACK INTO MY HOUSE AND GIVE ME A FAKE RING! DO YOU NOT KNOW HOW POWERFUL I AM! WITH JUST A SNAP OF MY FINGER I CAN MAKE YOU DISSAPPEAR! My people will capture you and put you in a Location will you will never be Found again. So tell me Felix is This ring worth it To give your Mother this Much Heartbreak. Your a Very Smart kid so I'm going to ask one last time. WHERE IS MY WIFE RING!

[@frillygames]

theory: felix and adrien are actually brothers, felix's mom is a sentimonster.

[@TravisaInc]

goddamned plot twists

[@WhimsyDrawsStuff]

1:37 they probably invited them to a photo shoot to get pics, bc there is no other explanation

[@othelloedmond7668]

When Gabriel finally falls for Nathalie she’ll be in a coma too. Sad news for the Agreste family

[@roxirock5455]

Blindness is a big problem in their familly

[@bluebird1914]

I guess Shadowmoth's true power isn't the ability to akumatize people, but the power to put women that he loves into a coma.

[@Shiningclaw6161]

Don't you love the automatic subtitles? Instead of yeet, Gabe is going to eat children across Paris.

[@TheEManGamer1000]

2:48 I like how u basically had the season 5 finale called out exactly years before😂

[@cartooncottage2024]

Glad I am not the only one wonder where Lila is. I was just thinking about her this morning and how she hasn't done a single thing this entire season.

[@Lily_196]

I’m glad we get some answers in season 5 episode 24 during the play

[@tctt185_dg]

I like the episode. It really explores deep and shows more about Felix. I do have a feeling that Gabriel is going to pretty much accept the faith of his wife and move on at the end of this season. So yeah, Gabenath may actually be a thing. It is the closest Adrien has to someone and it was noted in the Felix episode that Adrien is pretty happy to accept Nathalie as being part of the family. There was that spoiler image that was shown this week with two hands in the same bedroom scene and one of them has a ring which is actually on Nathalie's hand, not Gabriel's. We don't know what episode it would fit in, but if I have to guess, the last episode of this season. Felix being a sentimonster? I'm sort of all for it now just as much as Adrien being a sentimonster, so Felix and Adrien may actually be sentimonsters. This may be a bit farfetched but what if the inspiration that got Emilie to make Felix and Adrien sentimonsters was because of a statue, yeah a statue on a fountain. From what it is noted, the Agreste Mansion is actually next to a landmark in the show, and that landmark is the Place du Chatelet which is a real landmark which was shown in a few episodes. It's a large fountain with a long pole that goes straight up and on the top is a figure that is basically a goddess with a wreath in each hand which kinda look like rings. So what if that landmark was what inspired Emilie to make the two sentimonsters which when you think about it, makes a lot of sense for Felix's mother Amelie to have told Felix about that stuff and can explain why Felix has knowledge of how sentimonsters behave along with knowing about the miraculouses from the Ladyblog in the Gabriel Agreste episode. As I said, it is a bit of a theory and originally I didn't really believe in the sentimonster theory in the first place but I'm pretty sure now that Felix would most likely be a sentimonster and the ring that he took was indeed where the amok for him is located. Of course distance is not limited from amok to holder as the holder that made the amok can click their fingers when a sentimonster is no longer needed as long as it is the original holder. Gabriel would probably not be able to do that since Emilie was the previous holder of the Peacock Miraculous. If Felix is indeed a sentimonster, then that would explain that Season 3 episode title, because the pattern with the episode titles is that it is named after either A) an akumatised villain/s, or B) a sentimonster. There has been very rare cases that it isn't the case with an example being the Mayura episode from Season 2 which is indeed a season finale episode that introduces a new villain. So it would kinda make sense to have a title for a season finale in Season 4 - Strike Back to be about something other than the three that I mentioned. So yeah, Felix being a sentimonster, most likely yes. Adrien being a sentimonster, unsure but evidence does kinda show that he too could very well be a sentimonster aswell. But either way, I am lookng forward to seeing the last 6 episodes of this season before we move onto Season 5 of Miraculous.

[@bw2544-o7t]

PLOT TWIST: this is setting up Felix to be an antihero that eventually takes Adrien's place to mirror the original plans where Felix was Chat Noir and Marinette's main love interest. The love Square doesn't matter because she'll end up with Felix, her crushes cousin-twin. 🤣

[@Jorjacottingham]

"But Felix turns on the puppy dog eyes!" Me: Awwwww Felix😍

[@Anne-kc6fl]

this episode made me feel like adrien and felix are separated twins. why dose he want emilee's ring so much? why is he so happy seeing her portrait? idk i'm thinking about that

[@bluebird1914]

I reckon that Emilie had twins, but Felix's mom couldn't have kids so they offered her their other son Felix. I'd guess that all of the parents in the show probably know about the switch but Felix's mom, while enjoying having a son, maybe isn't happy with the idea of lying to her kid about who his real mom is. Maybe the ring has some sort of engraving on it that says "My two sons Felix and Adrian I love you." Or just something that straight up says that Emilie is his real mom. So that's why Felix's mom so badly wants her son to have the ring, because she wants him to know the truth, but figures that he'll take it better if he finds out for himself. That could also explain why he's so happy seeing her portrait. If Emilie is his actual mom, he probably would feel some kind of innate connection with her that he just chalks up to being close to his aunt.

[@alicianelson1252]

I don't see Chloe being self aware as a bad thing acknowledging your flaws is the first step to change

[@alexmc973]

She didnt Say that in the english version She said something better. Those are just some dumb subs at Times wrong But good point

[@alexmc973]

2 According to Thomas Astruc's official twitter page, Chloé was never planned to be redeemed, this was purely assumed by fans based on the reveal that she would use the Bee Miraculous. Despite the improvements she displayed before the events of "Miracle Queen", Thomas states her character was being presented exactly as she was written; someone who won't easily change and can often pull others into a toxic relationship by having them focus on her potential good and overall suffering rather than the ongoing cruelty she continued to display towards others. Although her past explains her act it doesn't excuse the choices she made, and despite the initial changes she made about herself to make up for some of her mistakes, Chloé never saw the need to fully change herself if she continued to obtain what she wanted. It makes sense

[@alicianelson1252]

@@alexmc973 if that's true why does the show portray her as sympathetic?

[@alexmc973]

@@alicianelson1252 some people have a reason to be like that her past explains it but not excuses it the way She was raised her mom etc

[@alicianelson1252]

@@alexmc973 you can't portray an antagonist as sympathetic and not do anything with it

[@Number8Novo]

F In chat for Lila being from a main character to a side character

[@cousinparty7266]

Am I the only one who didn't mind the Chloe/Marino subplot? Sure, it could be gone, but then we'd get a slow-paced story. And I'd love to see some backstory/flashbacks here and there, but not only does it not really make sense for it to be in the episode but also, it's probably saved for Kuro Neko or a season 5 episode, which is supposed to be the conclusion to the Hawk Moth arc.

[@hera8756]

We need a backstory on everything and everyone

[@othelloedmond7668]

You’d think marinette would just want till the party was over to hang out but nah she wants to break into a house to tell him

[@strawberrychocolate9383]

They could have asked Kagami for help.

[@alexmc973]

Tell him what ? Hang out ? What are You even talking about ? She only tryed to stop chloe y atleast saw the ep :

[@strawberrychocolate9383]

@@alexmc973 Yeah, she could have asked Kagami to get the video away from Chloe or Chloe away from Gabe.

[@alexmc973]

@@strawberrychocolate9383 Thats true after all she trusts her

[@nickifill1772]

This episode is just grabige marinette plain to sneak into adiren house was stupid and freands should have talked her out of it but no they do whatever marinette wants because there friends bad writing

[@bdariamihaela]

Gabriel is wearing Emily's ring the one that controls Adrien. Felix's amok I think is in his ring the one that he was wearing in the Felix episode, not the one that he stole, the one that he was wearing from the begining to the end

[@honeycoffeeandmilk996]

Someone pointed out that the photo of Hawkmoth and Mayora looks like a selfie and now I want to know if they have a social media account. #akuma

[@bluebird1914]

It's not canon but I saw this one post on Instagram that explains how that photo was taken: Basically Gabriel emails Alya and is like "Hey, the photos you have of me and Mayura are shit you need better ones, but don't worry I've got that covered." And the photo is just the selfie one.

[@duusu2608]

@@bluebird1914 😆

[@CrocodileSharpy]

Felix is not a sentimonster. He is the biggest smartbrain in the Miraculous universe.

[@hunterrousseau3770]

Right

[@FoamyADC]

I was waiting for this one

[@onesem9399]

Sameee

[@Wig.Courtney]

Ваву baby

[@willowheartdustclan]

... not to be rude, but in the episode Ladybug, Mayura releases sentibug from her exitance without having the item that had the amok. Senti bug had the object. meaning Mayura could make any senti monster no mater where the amok is disappear. same with Gabe.

[@lancemarcelo1225]

Random thought: I want an anti ladybug and chat noir team made up of Felix and Lila wearing peacock and butterfly miraculous.

[@roxirock5455]

Kuro Neku (sorry if i spellded it rong)? Felix acumatise? ;) ;)

[@dragonempress8367]

But Thomas doesn't support good writing.

[@baval5]

We know no redemption arc for Chloe is going to happen. Their treatment of her during season 4 has been a disgrace just to try and get us to not like her. The problem is you cant write a character as super cool to make people like them, and you cant write a character as super mean to get them to not like them. No matter how many times Scrappy saved the day no one liked him, and no matter how many times they write Chloe as Dick Dastardly we're not going to accept it. It has to be natural.

[@angelikisyrlantzi]

watching this after season 5 is def nostalgic

[@Yesletsgo144]

The fact that your wrong about him not being a sentimonster😔

[@dbl2961]

I've always thought Felix either was close to Emily and thinks Gabe was responsible for her death/disappearance, or Felix knew how much his mom loved Emily and again thinks Gabe had something to do with her being gone therefore hurting his mom indirectly.

[@meequalsbookworm3029]

You cleared things up for me pretty well. Lot’s of love dude ✌🏻

[@mariahalgiptiah333]

felix is so smart omg

[@AmandaPrice-f8c]

My personal head canon is that if felix was acumatized he would beat the two

[@animedragons5540]

"and for some reason really loves antagonizing his uncle Me: same

[@OptimusPhillip]

Honestly, I think the idea of Felix being a sentimonster would be way more satisfying than Adrien, specifically because he's _not_ a character I'm super invested in. The idea of Adrien, one of our main heroes, being a sentimonster, that his entire life is a lie and that he could be erased with a snap of the fingers, just rubs me the wrong way.

[@scaramouche7210]

my theory: gabriel and emily had a baby - adrien. emily’s sister couldnt have a child so emily created a sentimonster- felix, and gave it to her sister. thats why adrien and felix looks so similiar (but that means felix mom needs to know about miraculouses of butterfly and peacock)

[@oui2443]

I don't believe Felix is a sentimonster it doesn't make the plot line as interesting imo and there's gonna be so much stuff that needs to be thoroughly explained for it to be true. I think Gabriel was just trying to threaten Felix like "you think Im shadow moth well guess what I can kill you by snapping my fingers" but instead he akumatised him so he wouldn't believe Gabriel is ShadowMoth but was instead trying to scare him. Felix found out anyways because he's the only character who has a brain.

[@dad5draco]

Honestly I think this is just setting up Felix being the next Hawk Moth.

[@hunterrousseau3770]

I think so too

[@PancakeRights]

​​@@hunterrousseau3770 Look mate I honestly think Lila will be the next Hawk Moth. I think Felix has a high chance of getting the black cat ring because he can pretend to be Adrien and fool people easily. What if, for example, Adrien's gone, he's at the Agreste mansion, and fools Plagg into thinking he's Adrien? He found out Gabriel's identity so is obviously a clever chap, and he has the spellbook so he knows all the powers and transformation words, and if he looks exactly like Adrien, he would most likely look exactly like chat noir, fooling everyone.He could even fool Ladybug, get his hands on both the miraculous and wish for himself. I think somehow the show is eerily going in this direction and while not necessarily Hawk Moth, he will be a villain but at the end, of course, defeated.

[@fabuloussuperstar]

Well, the peacock holder doesn't actually need to have the object to release a sentimonster from existence. They can just do that if they feel like it.

[@turbok.o.3324]

FUN FACT GLOOB RELEASED AN IMAGE OF GABE AND NATH HOLDING HANDS AND NATH HAD ON GABES RING. So i think ur little theory is actually right

[@roxirock5455]

Theoretical is not comformed to be Nathallys hand,but like come on it probablly is

[@hunterrousseau3770]

I hope he does move on though, because I think we're all getting tired of the fact that he's missing out on so much

[@zaney21]

He probably was setting up the party and thought this is a good chance to get my ring back

[@stefane2333]

OK my unpopular opinion here (dont hate me) - Felix and Adrien are both Sentimonsters and the Amoks are in both rings. - Felix has the ring with his Amok, Gabriel has the one with Adriens. - Gabriel wanted Felix Ring back in order to control him and keep Felix from blackmailing him. -You dont need the object with the Amok to destroy the sentimonster, only to control it. This may have been some bluffing on Gabriels part. -Gabriel doesnt want to destroy Felix because of Emily and her sister -Felix just wanted to expose Gabriel in this episode (See blackmailing) - Felix knows that he is a Sentimonster, and also knows about the peacock miraculous. (- Felix possibly knows that Adrien is a Sentimonster, too) -Maybe Felix was made First, so He watched Adrien being Made, and the energy to create the two Sentimonsters with the broken miraculous drained Emily so she went to the coma. With this in mind go back and watch the Episode Felix in Season 3 and Gabriel Agreste plus Ephemeral (and others like MegaLeech) in Season 4 😬

[@duusu2608]

I exactly thought the first 5 points too after watching the episode.

[@strelitziamystery21]

Imagine if Felix, Adrien AND Gabriel have no clue about the amok rings!

[@Orkprof]

I had the exact same thoughts: I have this feeling that, in the end, we'll be supposed to be sorry for Gabriel while Chloé is to be considered Evil incarnate.

[@Orkprof]

@Caleb Hopkins I wouldn't be surprised if the authors tried to have us believe that 🤷‍♂️ We're apparently supposed to feel sorry for Félix, as he's supposedly fighting for sentibeings rights or stuff like that. Forget that first time he showed up he gratuitiously tried to defamate Adrien with his friends AND tried to forcibly kiss Ladybug while posing as his cousin.

[@000Dragon50000]

I do think it's Anti-Hero Felix time, particularly with him rejecting the butterfly.

[@dontev3npl3z81]

Idk if it's because I've been watching lots of crime stuff.... but Gabriel threatened Felix that he can make him "disappear" sounds like rich person death threat then any sentimonster thing XD

[@sparkyblue7016]

Same like it didn't sound to me like Gabriel knew that Felix was a sentimonster. And Felix is one of the most amazing characters in the show would be kinda disappointed if he turned out to be a sentimonster.

[@xXShy-ShyXx]

Gabriel Agreste is basically Sir Reginald Hargreeves from Umbrella Academy. The difference being that Sir Reginald Hargreeves actually was patient in resetting the universe, DID NOT care about the children he was taking care of (Let's be honest neither did Gabriel but not to Sir Reginald Hargreeves extent) and that Sir Reginald Hargreeves got what he wanted in the end but his wife actually told him she never wanted this and such and he LISTENED TO HER!!

[@hunterrousseau3770]

I mean the idea of Chloe's redemption arc was probably inspired by when Flash Thompson used to pick on Peter Parker before eventually they matured later on and become friends so it is also nice that the show adapts a few things that are similar to the Spider-Man mythos

[@hunterrousseau3770]

@Caleb Hopkins exactly why we shouldn't give up on Chloe so easily, Flash didn't remain a bully forever for example like in shows like: "The Spectacular Spider-Man" or "Ultimate Spider-Man" does that sound like Flash is irredeemable to you? So why is it even fair for Chloe to get so much hate she was born awful that just had something to do with her mother who abandoned her at a young age is it asking too much for the girl to just have a hug or at least feel exceptional? Which is why people like Luka and her half-sister Zoe should be big highlights to give the redemption arc she so desperately needs

[@hunterrousseau3770]

@Caleb Hopkins and yet "Spectacular Spider-Man" is considered the greatest animated Spider-Man show of all time so HA!!!!

[@hunterrousseau3770]

@Caleb Hopkins yes it stopped because Disney bought the TV rights to Spider-Man which was really sad for the show but hey that's life for ya

[@mythical.toaster]

i think both rings control adrien, so felix is preventing him from being controlled but once he leaves adrien has no choice anymore

[@jessiellanes3004]

So what's next that Chloe is a secret siblings to Felix and Adrien

[@AndrewSnake]

Felix have like plus 10 IQ that all the people in this show I kinda was confuse when Felix out of nowhere accuse Gabrilem been Shadowmoth ,until someone point me out that when felix and gab make eye connect he saw the brouch , but still not even Holmes solve a case by looking at 2 random think and say Elementary watson We know Gab is very influents man and have money and power to do what it say to felix Gotta like the writing of the show how there go multi layer of sah whit Felix but return back to saturrday cartoon writing

[@000Dragon50000]

The Peacock miraculous holder doesn't need to have the Amok in order to delete a sentimonster, only to control it.

[@PancakeRights]

Yes. In the episode "Feast" Natalie could not control Master Fu's sentimonster because she did not have the amokised object and did not create the sentibeing. However, as the peacock miraculous holder, she could release it from existence and even threatened to do so. Peacock miraculous holders can erase any sentibeing from existence regardless of whether or not they created it or have the amokised object, but only the one with the amokised object can control the sentibeing...

[@n0t_that_guy295]

His aunt looks like his mom so he gets happy, mind blowing

[@wrathanimus3584]

This ep might hint that Felix becomes the next hawkmoth that was mentioned in timetagger

[@aesthetick2573]

Marionette honey…CHARGED WITH IDENTITY THEFT AND BREAKING AND ENTERING. Her friends are charged with being an accomplice. Zoe lee will be charged with false storytelling and lying. Marc and Nathaniel…. LIFE in prison w/o parole for setting it up

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Ouch. Though true.

[@NeoVioletsMeowInc]

Maybe Adrien and Felix are actually twins, but Felix was raised by his aunt because maybe she couldn't have kids. I mean cousins looking practically like twins is odd. I mean aren't Felix and Adrien the same age too?

[@bluebird1914]

I agree with that theory too. Plus it does strike me as kinda odd how even though they're nephew and uncle, Gabriel and Felix are eerily similar to eachother. Like they're both very cunning, crafty, and assertive. If you think about it, they're almost mirror images of eachother personality wise, which is really odd if they're uncle and nephew.

[@hoORayforfuz]

11:04 That aged well

[@saiyan4414]

just saw the dub, and i feel like we should have gotten Gabriel’s and Emily’s origin stories with the Miraculous here.

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDooplivian]

Agreed.

[@TravisaInc]

agreed

[@hunterrousseau3770]

Agreed

[@elizabethz7808]

I’m gonna be shocked if it turns out Felix and Adrien aren’t twin sentimonsters. Cuz if they really are cousins, WHY ARE THEY IDENTICAL this shouldn’t be possible if they’re cousins, with the mixed dna of Amilie and her husband, and Emilie and Gabriel, it should be physically impossible for Felix and Adrien to be actual cousins. Right?

[@mr.opinion2185]

Theory: Emilie used the peacock miraculous to create sentifelix for her sister.